How important is your oncologist? (and NOLA)
I am consulting with NOLA about DIEP and MX. They got my imaging and reviewed it today and want me to have chemo FIRST. I met with a local BS yesterday for a second opinion after my first experience locally was less than impressive. They did more extensive imaging and think I have more areas of cancer possibly in the same breast. It won't make much of a difference in terms of my surgical strategy but I am curious if I should go to the second place for oncology. How much of a difference does your oncologist make? ARe they all doing pretty much the same thing? The first place is MUCH more convenient but if their surgeons and radiologists are any indication of their competence, I am choosing the second place.
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no, they don't all do the same thing. Seems in fact, they all do everything different. You can tell on here, seems no two treatments are the same.
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Plus it's vital that you find people that you feel you can trust and respect, and who answer your questions well and work with you. It will have a big effect on how you feel about your treatment and possibly even whether or not you are second guessing yourself and them after all is said and done.
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Do any of you ladies remember when you were young and dating how all guys would bad mouth other guys? Even if you weren't interested in them romantically? I feel like that's what I am going through. Everyone wants your business so they bad mouth the other guys.
I hate the thought of just randomly calling an oncologist at the second place but that's what I did. If I call the BS for a referral , she isn't going to want to talk to me knowing I am going to NOLA maybe. They basically told me that if you go to NOLA, you are on your own if anything goes wrong.
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Agree with the other posters. It's extremely important that you like, trust, respect and work well with your oncologist. It would be great if that person also happened to be conveniently located, but convenience ultimately isn't going to matter without the other qualities. I would see badmouthing other specialists as a big red flag.
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The oncologist is very important. I agree with nottoday and other posters. As with all of this there are docs who are on top of thing, read the literature and offer you the latest and the best. Than there are does that aren't. Not getting a good cosmetic result with reconstruction is bad. Not getting good cancer treatment is worse. Go with the oncologist you feel is is the best and try to make sure there is a good match in terms of personality and communication. You will have a long term relationship with your oncologist.
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Ok, well I didn't expect to have to do this so soon but I will start getting referrals. The problem is I have realized a lot of referrals are just because it is some doctor's friend's friend or they have just heard the name. I still can't believe how many people told me to go to that first BS.
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for me, the doc who had ordered my mamo (my reg primary care doc) gave me the first referral to a BS who just happened to turn out to be one of the best in the state. but when she started talking about rads and me needing an MO, I got two opinions, They were originally names the surgeon suggested. Got second opinions for each and chose my second. I will say that being in NJ the MO I ended up chosing while at a dif hospital than my BS, knew my BS and they worked well together.
not sure how it works with NOLA
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i moved from Va to Texas whe n I went to stage four. I'm NED, still in tx.
my MO is very forward out of the box kind of guy.
what I didnt realize during my first rodeo is if you go to research place they cant do some of same stuff as my MO.{he left MD anderson for this reason.
ask them if they will do caris report or foundation report. these are about genetic mutations. my MO bases my tx off these. not protocols.
I get individualized cancer care. BTW all MO on east coast are about the same. no tumor markers, no scans
I think the farther west you go the easier it gets
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Trvler-If you are not finding local medical oncologists, radiation oncologists etc that you feel comfortable with - perhaps you can work the recommendations in the other direction. Ask Dr. Stolier and/or the NOLA plastic surgeons (Dr. Massey who works in Chicago as well as NOLA) who they would recommend in your area- possibly they may come up with a few names. (You would still need to check the recommendations out yourself very carefully). In addition possibly look at the closest NCI designated cancer center. Just some ideas.....
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It's not that I have not found anyone I like yet. I haven't been to ANYONE yet. I just didn't really expect it had to start NOW. It wasn't even mentioned for the first time until Thursday when I had new imaging at Northwestern. That was also Dr. Stolier's recommendation after he reviewed my original imaging on Friday. After seeing the new imaging, I don't know if it will change anything but I doubt it. I do have an appointment Monday morning with a MO at Northwestern.
I just don't feel like I have the luxury of having weeks looking for someone that I like. KWIM?
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Your MO is an important player, so it does need to be someone you are comfortable with. However, location is also important because when your feeling like crap and need to see the doc or need some extra fluids at the infusion center, you won't want to be traveling hours to get there.
I'm sure there is a standard protocal of chemo for your dx. and most MO's are going to offer you that. What are others on this board with dx similar to you getting? That is likely what you will get and if not ask why.
While you don't want to make a hasty choice, you can't take too long to decide either. I only met with one MO. I liked his personality, he was offering me the same treatment others on here were getting and his office and the infusion center were conveniently located. Once chemo is over, if you don't like your MO's approach to follow up care and scans, you can search for a new one at that time.
Did NOLA say why they wanted chemo first? Did they think chemo would compromise the recon? Do they want the size of the tumor reduced before surgery? Or does it have more to do with timing, perhaps they want you receiving some type of treatment now to stop its growth, realizing its going to take time to schedule surgery.
Good luck to you. I know you are really researching your options and going into this as informed as you can be. These decisions are so difficult to make and as hard as we search, there just is no "right" answer.
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It wouldn't be several hours but it took me two hours to drive downtown during a rush hour snowstorm Friday. Normally, I think it would be closer to an hour. I could also get back in less time because usually traffic is easier coming back. I also would make it a point NOT to leave in the early am. How long does a chemo session take? And it is weekly?
You are correct about the timing. It's interesting though. I asked the original BS if I could have surgery in early April because we had plans for spring break and I didn't want to disappoint my kids. He said physically, I could do it, but mentally, it might be hard to wait that long. And now I am feeling pressured to move forward by a couple of people (not him). I am not using him.
NOLA said chemo first. They said to shrink the tumor to get better margins. But I want to see what they say after they get the second set of imaging on Monday. It might have to do with their schedule. I don't think they would even say that, would they?
I feel like I could NEVER be as informed as I can be. Every time I turn over a new stone, there is another one underneath.
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I don't know what chemo cocktail you get with ILC. Most get tx every 3 weeks, but some get taxol weekly. You will likely get bloodwork 2 days before chemo, which can be done at a lab close to home. Usually your mo wants to see you the day before or the day of chemo. 24 hours after chemo you get a neulasta shot at the infusion center. I know of some who lived far and had this shot mailed to their home and self administered. Chemo times can vary based on what your getting and how things are done at your center. I was usually there about 3 hours, although expect the first time to be longer.
I had issues with dehydration and needed extra fluids on day 4 following every tx, so that was another trip back to the infusion center, plus I had other concerns like oral thrush and had to be seen by the MO between treatments. I spent more time at my center than I expected to. Fortunately it was less than 30 minutes from my house, which was particularly appreciated after tx when I just wanted to get home to bed. Perhaps if your MO is farther away you can see your family doctor if anything arises between tx.
With an MX, getting clean margins near your chest wall is important or they are going to recommend rads too. So if they looked at the location of your tumor and recommended chemo first then its probably a good idea.
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Hmmm..maybe I should go local then. The local place is 5 min away. I will call Monday and get an appointment with the local MO.
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are you near chicago
Dr block is there
he wrote life over cancer
I've seen him
he has vegan encouragement, nutrition classes
hes very good
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I am not the North side. It is hard to travel into the city. What hospital is he affiliated with? What's his first name?
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It is Keith in Skokie?
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The single-most important relationship in dealing with breast cancer is your relationship with your Oncologist in my book. He or She is like God on earth through breast cancer as you are putting your life in their hands. Through my blog I've talked with literally thousand of breast cancer patients. One consistent thing I notice - the women who trust, respect, admire and genuinely like their MO feel emotionally better and do better through cancer treatment. And those who never liked them from the beginning and stay out of some sense of obligation, the relationship just never works.
Remember - we pay them and they work for us. My Onc told me that on Day One. And he has lived up to that and beyond.
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You should be able to have a local MO and get opinions elsewhere. I got rid of my local MO last summer and went up to Mayo. I was diagnosed with a recurrence recently and needed someone local. I have a new MO locally, who knows I am also seen at Mayo, and he and my Mayo doc e-mail back and forth and talk when needed. He said another set of eyes to look at things is always good. Any good doc will respect you getting a second opinion and not tell you you're on your own if you go there. I had surgery consults at mayo as well and they gave me good questions to ask my surgeons here which did lead them to do things differently (and ultimately led them to find a second tumor). I am so grateful I have had multiple opinions, but keep most of my care local. Best of luck; it is not an easy decision.
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Help...what is NOLA?
Always read New Orleans for this abbreviation...but don't think it works here...
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NOLA is the Center for Restorative Breast Surgery in New Orleans. Many travel to here for top notch, innovative options in breast reconstruction. Not me personally, but I've seen many on here refer to it. Their website, however, is a good resouce for anyone considering flap reconstruction because it gives good explanations of what the options are and include before/after photos. I had my recon done locally, would not have been able to afford travel costs, but I'm happy with the results
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Lorie: you are reading it right.
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Ahh...thanks!
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Met with first MO. Guy was a complete a-hole. I asked the resident about him after he left and she said it's because I am going to NOLA. I am confident he is an a-hole anyway. Nevertheless, I will start chemo. But I am going to find someone a little bit more personable. Because, according to him, all doctors do it the same way. (He was referring to PS's with this comment because apparently, it pisses him off that I am going to a different facility.
With respect to the chemo, he said basically everyone is doing the same thing. Two drugs. Four months. Right? Says worst time is one week in of each two weeks. Didn't ask him a lot. He seemed to have something better he needed to get to.
I did have to laugh because when I asked him if it was dumb to drive all the way downtown to have it done there instead of closer to my home, he said no. It's not dumb. People come from out of state to have it done here. Irony anyone?
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Well that is ironic, you can go out of state to come to his cancer center, but all PS's do it the same way, lol. I'm sorry he turned out to be a jerk, but I do agree with him that you would probably do the same two drugs no matter where you go, unless you were in some type of trial.
Trvler, It seems like you are on your own finding doctors. Is that your choice because you wanted second opinions or didn't the facility that gave you the dx refer you to anyone? For me, from the time my mammo came back questionable, everything was laid out for me, from biopsy, to BS, to MO, to PS, I was referred to who I should see. The appointments were even made for me and I was sent a calendar and scripts for blood work and scans that I needed. I was assigned a nurse navigator who I could contact if I had questions, plus she arranged things I asked for like genetic counseling, a nutritionist, and a mastectomy class. My MO also had me meet with his nurse for about an hour to answer all my questions . I think I called her with concerns after every treatment. She was wonderful!. For the post part, I liked who I was referred to and stayed with them, except for the PS. The one I was referred to was nice enough, but he did not do DIEP, but another in the same practice did.
When first dx I contemplated going to a bigger cancer center in Philadelphia, which would have been about a 2 hour drive for me, but then I decided the cancer center close to my home had a very good reputation and because I was early stage, the treatment would be the same wherever I went. When it came to reconstruction, I again wondered if I should go into Phila, but I then I met the one and only PS doing DIEP in my area, and although he is young and has less experience, he came highly recommended and I felt good with him.
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It's kind of a long story, Debiann. I didn't like my first BS because he was dismissive of my appearance concerns. He advised lx and said my 30 year old implants would be fine, expect when they radiated them I would probably have to have a second surgery to remove the scar tissue. Other doctors said 30 year implants should come out. So I went to see another BS at the same facility that someone recommended. I felt more repoire with him but he essentially told me the first guy was a better doctor. To me the implication was you get the first guy you go to see. So I sought out another BS opinion from another recommendation a big teaching university hospital. THAT surgeon was dismissive when I mentioned I might be going to NOLA. They just don't like it when you don't give their place all the business. When I went to that third surgeon, she had more imaging done that was WAY more thorough. I have since discussed the first place with other people had some negative things to say about them too.
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I am typing a second message to finish this because I don't know if anyone else has noticed this but the more you type, the slower the curser starts going. I am a fast typist so when I make an error I delete fast to go back and it deletes what I don't want to delete. Anyway, I decided maybe the second facility had better doctors so I make an appointment with the MO there because NOLA wants me to do chemo first. I am going to meet with NOLA on March 16. I will start chemo immediately upon return.
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I have decided that throughout this process, I will not deal with any doctor who is rude, condescending, dismissive and seems like he has something better to do than to be with me. There are tons and TONS of doctors where I live. No need to be working with anyone I don't like.
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Trvler, you are so right for seeking out doctors who listen to you and treat you respectfully. Cancer is difficult enough, you don't need doctors that add to your worries. The MO I was referred to is great. He had just moved to our area and I was his first patient at this practice. The day of my first appointment, I was actually his ONLY patient, lol, we talked for over 2 hours. Of course he now has more patients, but I never feel like he is hurrying me through an appointment. He listens to my concerns and is very good at "talking me down" when I'm feeling anxious. He has a deep calming voice and he looks you in the eye with much sincerity. When I first met him I immediately felt very safe. It's hard to explain, but I felt like I could let go of some of my fear and trust that he would do his best for me. He's easy to joke with too, which sometimes you need a little humor. Bedside manner is important, some have it while others don't. I hope you find someone you are comfortable with.
I wish you good luck with NOLA and keep us posted on what it is like. btw, which chemo cocktail will you be getting?
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Well, he told me the names of the drugs. I remember some that started with T. But I honestly don't remember the specific ones. They gave me a book with all the drugs but I can't remember which of those he said he would be using on me. He made it sounds like they are all the same for everyone, which I didn't think was the case. But I am not going to him anyway. I have an appointment with someone close by my house on the 10th. They have me on the schedule to put the port in on the 12th. The other place was supposed to call and put me on the schedule. They haven't even called yet.
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