Lumpectomy or Mastectomy Decision Time
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I didn't start this thread but these posts are very helpful to me as well.
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If you are considering a mastectomy, I would encourage you to reading some of post-mastectomy and reconstruction threads here on BCO so that you have a realistic idea of what you would be getting into.
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Thank you all for your good advice and good vibes. I'm still not sure what I'm going to do but I do know I will call my doctor's office on Monday morning and ask about a closer check on my "good" breast. Want to get as much over with as possible all at once. I can't have an immediate reconstruction so can consider that later if I have a MX. Rads kind of scare me and even though if I have an MX I may still need them, if possible, I'd like to avoid them. Will post my decision in a couple days. Thanks all you wonderful Ladies!
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I had chemo and radiation over 1.5 years ago for lymphoma so when I found out I had BC last month and that I could get either a 'lumpectomy + rad' or a 'mastectomy', and that I could inform the surgeon of my decision up to the day before the surgery, I freaked out.....because I wanted the least invasive surgery but I also didn't want any more radiation in my body. In fact, I didn't want cancer, period. I had 2 weeks to decide.I ended up talking to my surgeon over the phone for half an hour the first week to get more information and then I met him in the office 2 days before the surgery. If this was my first rodeo, I would have easily taken the lumpectomy + rad, but I knew that I didn't want to do radiation again unless my stats were really bad. He agreed that I could do a lumpectomy now and choose a mastectomy later if needed. After going through a lumpectomy several weeks ago (and experiencing 'seroma' swelling that no one warned me about), I can tell you now that the sentinel lymph node dissection was not a piece of cake and I would have not handled a bigger surgery well. My hat goes off to all you wonderful ladies who have endured so much and more.
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Mirlat: Thanks for sharing your experience. Not sure I understand it all.Did you do the lumpectomy and follow up rads? What is the lymph node disection? What was the swelling caused by? Any info you can give me would be a big help. I am at thinking along the road of the Mx because I would like to evade the rads if possible. I know I still may have to have them but maybe not. (Guess it depends on the nodes?) I only have until Wed. morning to make my decision as I am already scheduled. Since my dad had breast cancer and both of my parents had colon cancer I am considering asking the doc about double Mx. My mammo on the "good" side did not show anything but I have dense and fibrous breasts and feel they should have done more testing on it like MRI, or the 3D mammo. I'm 69 yrs old and I really don't want to have to spend the rest of my life worrying about recurrence or having it show up in the other side. Just want it over with, done, through! I wear a DDDD cup bra which I have to get from Europe and to just have one removed would be really strange for me. I have not ruled out the lumpectomy but am just having a really hard time deciding. Thank you so much.
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What is BCO? How do you make a decision about a lumpectomy vs a mastectomy?
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mysunshine4: BCO is Breast Cancer.Org.. I am trying right now to make my decision about lump. vs mast. Did you read this whole thread. There's lots of info from ladies that have been there too.
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Dianeaslm,
If you choose bmx are you considering reconstruction? If you are you may want a tissue expander placed at the time of surgery to save your skin.
I agree that a uni may be problematic for you, not sure if you could find a comfortable prosthetic to match your other side. You can make an appointment with a medical supply store to to learn about prosthetics in advance so you'll know your options. This may help you make your decision.
The decision making process is so difficult. Once you have a plan it gets better. Good luck to you.
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Can anyone say under what circumstances you have radiation with a mx?
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I am not sure if this has been discussed here, but having one breast removed will leave the other side heavier and taxing on the spine leading to scoliosis.
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The one thing I have learned here is that everyone is different. Although we share the same lousy disease we each have an individual journey.
I had a lumpextomy followed by two reincisions to get clean margins. Luckily there was a lot of breast tissue to workwith. I also had another lumpectomy (excisional biopsy) on my other breast.
I had no difficulty with any of the procedures leading up to the lumpectomies. My recovery each time was smooth and I had only a mild skin reaction to radiation.
I dont regret my decision to have lumpectomies, and I don't spend my time questioning the choice I made. The good thing is that we do have so many choices. And the decision between LX and MX is entirely different for everybody.
But it can be confusing and overwhelming. I wish you well, and hope you can come to the decision that feels right for You.
Take care.
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Trvler, if you have positive nodes or if the tumor is close to the chest wall rads will be recommended, even with an mx.
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Thanks, Debiann. I have a second opinion appointment today and I am going to ask about it.
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I really appreciate all the help I have received from all my BC "sisters". This is the toughest decision of my life. I am leaning toward a BMX at this time because I am at high risk due to family history, this current finding of bc, my breast size,my age. I am 69 and have been carrying around these huge melons a long time. I get my bras from the UK and they are size 34H. I am only 5'2-1/2", fine boned (a little overweight at 140) and I want to exercise. I find it difficult to jog, exercise because of the constant bounce and I also have dense, fibrocystic (painful) breasts with some calcifications. I do not look forward to surgery and recovery. I cannot have immed.reconstruction since I am a current 1/2 pack a day smoker. So, I will be quitting smoking the day of my surgery also. Wish me luck! I hate smoking and it has just been an "escape" type "crutch" for too long. I have reasons that I would like to survive another 20 years. God willing. I know that my life is in my own hands and God's hands and surgery on Thursday is the beginning of new life affirming actions on my part. I have been on a path of self destruction,smoking, not eating right, not exercising, and not dealing with my depression for about 10 years. Thursday will be the first day of the rest of my life! All support is welcome. Love you ladies!
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Diane, we will be thinking of you. Best of luck. I know there is a 'stop smoking' thread on BCO, and once you are on the mend you can check out the 'Lets Post Our Daily Exercise' thread on the fitness forum if you'd like some support with that too. You can get through this, come out on the other side, and make the next 20 years the best 20 years of all!
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We are here for you, Diane. There is a quit smoking thread,, an exercise thread,,, eating healthy thread,,, anything you want to talk about,,, you got it here! -
Diane, Now that you've made your decision I hope you feel peace and find strength to get you through surgery and recovery. Good luck to you. What other tx are you doing?
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You have all been so wonderful to fill me in with valued info, share your experiences, and give me support. This forum has been invaluable to me and I have already told my surgeon about it so he can let other patients know of a place to check out. I feel very self centered right now so if I have not responded to your comments I apologize, but please know that I have taken it all to heart. I have a number of things to accomplish in the next day and a half before surgery but I will be sure to check back in with you as time allows. Love you all!
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BTW, THANKS FOR THE TIPS ON THE OTHER FORUMS..GOING TO CHECK THEM OUT.
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You can do this Diane. Quitting smoking is the first step in the right direction to a healthy lifestyle. Keep us informed, we are your biggest cheerleaders!!!!
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You are SUPPOSED to be self-centered right now!! You can help other people when you are on the other side of the experience.
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Dianes: I couldn't have said it better..totally feel the same way about the self centered part. It is my daughter's 11th birthday today and I was so afraid I would forget something…like a cake…or somehow she would be let down. We took her to Benihana last night and she LOVED it, so that's good.
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Hi,
I am also struggling with this decision. I also have implants. The thing I do not understand is, with a lumpectomy, when we both would need radiation, what happens to the implants? I have read that radiation makes them hard. I wonder if it is possible to get new ones put in after radiation. I am probably being vain, but I want nice looking breasts.
On the other side, if I (we) chose a MX, radiation might still be needed if there is node involvement shown at surgery. Then, how does reconstruction work? I am so confused. I am meeting with my PS this week. Maybe he can offer more answers. Do you know more than I do? I do not like either option, but have to make a choice.
L
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Take a breath. I went through exactly what you are going through and made my decision. I will tell you my process.
Age of implants: For years I have heard that implants have a limited shelf life of 10-15 years. Mine are 30 years old. My original BS said no problem. He can do a lx and radiate and then another surgery to remove scar tissue resulting from the rad. Nope. No thanks. Not happening. Also, my natural breast tissue is very small anyway. What's the point of saving that?
As a correction, it doesn't make the actual implant hard. It changes the tissue around the implant which can cause capsular contracture and scar tissue to make your breast feel hard. It won't compromise the actual implant unless it made the implant break. I don't know what the odds are of that.
If you decide to have a mx, they will put in a temporary implant. They will then radiate and then do whatever recon you decide on at a later date after the skin has healed. THAT made me feel better. I was scared to do the mx and the recon at the same time on both. You absolutely CAN put in new implants after the rads and people often do that.
If it makes you feel more comfortable, do what I did and meet with a RO to discuss. I just met with one last week and went through it all with her. She was great and cleared up every question that I had.
Also, I don't know what your dx is since you don't have it in your sig. But for me, my natural breasts are very small and I know if they pull out a 2.9 cm lump, I will be pretty disfigured. I was told there are plastic options to correct this but again, why bother? I do not want implants anymore anyway.
Lastly, what put me other the edge for having a mx was the fact that I sought a second opinion because none of what my original BS told me was at all considering my preferences like getting the old implants out and not having them back. The BS was recommending a lx and rad. I sought a second opinion and they did much more thorough imaging on the cancer breast. AFter finding 2 more areas they are pretty sure ARE cancer, 2 areas that might and one node, I am convinced that original BS would have done the lx and then come out and said i needed a mx anyway. Also, they think the original tumor is much bigger than the 2.9 cm, more like 4.6. The second BS was much more thorough in her process by ordering that extra imaging. Her goal is one surgery.
The last thing I want to say is, please, if ANY doctor makes you feel uncomfortable or is condescending as doctors can sometimes be, find another doctor. It makes me a little sick to think I could have just taken that first surgeon's word for everything which could have caused an additional surgery for me. And THIS was the highly recommended surgeon.
What is your dx?
If you have ANY questions, please ask. It sounds like I am a few weeks ahead of where you are in all of this.
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My diagnosis is IDC - grade 2 Estogen + Her2 negative. I am not even sure what all this means. I met with a surgeon, MO and RO yesterday.....did not like the surgeon. He never sat down.....just stood up and looked down at me and told me I should have a lumpectomy. I have 10 year old implants and will have them again. I just don't know how this is going to go having to have radiation. But, they cannot tell you much about lymph node involvement until surgery. My tumor is small, but it is near my nipple, so to have clean margins, they may have to remove my nipple. I am meeting with a PS this week, and have to make a decision for surgery. I am also meeting with another surgeon. I hate this! Radiation scares me, but I guess you get that with both a lumpectomy and a MX.
So, after radiation, will I have scar tissue that has to be removed? I am just so confused.
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You didn't say how big your tumor is? Did you have an MRI. Get a different surgeon. Unless you have a huge tumor, who is telling you that you HAVE to make a decision this week? When were you dx? Places will put pressure on you to make a decision so you don't go somewhere else. Please don't make a rushed decision you might regret later.
Also, my first BS said to me basically, you should worry about saving your life 'getting rid of the cancer' and not your appearance. Easy for a MAN to say. If I had been stage 4, I could see him saying that to me. But saying the same thing at stage 2 means to me, HE isn't concerned about my appearance at all. I want the guy who understands and cares about BOTH. And they are out there. You just have to find them.
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Mysunshine4- Hi there! I wanted to respond because I had a similar situation. I had breast implants placed in 2004, when I was 22, so my implants had been in place for 10 years at the time of my diagnosis. I too wanted nice looking breasts, and I admit that I am unashamed to be vain in that way. Cancer was taking a lot from me, but I had 100% control over this.
I chose a nipple sparing bilateral mastectomy. I chose this because my physician was able to offer it, and because I made it well known that I would not accept radiation under any circumstances. That is a DEEPLY personal choice I made based on the fact that I knew that reconstruction is more difficult with radiated skin, which was further discussed by my plastic surgeon. I also made the choice due to forgo RADS due to my age. I am 32, and as a Nurse the thought of the lasting effects of RADS to my skin, heart, and lungs, was unacceptable to *me*. My tumor was on the L side. A lumpectomy would have saved me several surgeries, but I did not desire anything on my L side to be radiated. Again, deeply personal decision.
I just had my FINAL surgery on Feb 20th, the expander to implant swap, and I am exceedingly happy so far. I chose a double MX because I wanted to further reduce my risk of recurrence.
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Thank you! You are so right. These doctors can say all they want and tell you what they think you should have, but it is my body and my breasts and appearance is very important to me. If that is being vain, then that is what it is. It is so easy for a doctor.....especially a man to tell you something because it is not his life or his body. Once he does the surgery and gets paid, he moves on to the next person. I am hoping this next surgeon, who happens to be a woman, is more understanding.
I need to make a decision because I want to get on the other side of surgery. No one is pushing me, but I do know that I should not let a lot of time go by. Right now, my MRI showed no lymph node involvement, but how do I know when those creepy little cells are going to move. Ohhhhh, I hate this!
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