ILC and Stomach Cancer

JudyO
JudyO Member Posts: 225

I usually come to breastcancer.org to look at the research news. Right now there is an article posted about the link between ILC and gastric cancer. An identified gene can be the cause of diffused stomach cancer and also ILC. The rates of occurrence are high for people with the gene. I am curious how many of you have ILC and a family history of stomach cancer. This really scares me since my mother's mother and her brother died of stomach cancer....my father's mother died of stomach cancer, his sister died of breast cancer and he has a brother who is still surviving after having had stomach cancer. Currently they don't have a good screening tool to look for diffused stomach cancer, sounds like a roll of the dice....

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  • sgreenarch
    sgreenarch Member Posts: 528
    edited February 2015
    Dear Judy,
    I've read that there is one gene (that I believe can be tested for) that can be responsible. I just read a story in the news about a family that had the gene and there are ways to screen, act proactively. Please speak with your oncologist, genetecist about your concerns. They should be able to answer your questions.
  • Rdrunner
    Rdrunner Member Posts: 309
    edited February 2015

    yes there is one gene.. the link between diffuse stomach cancer and ILC is E-cadherin..and there is a genetic test. This mutation is rare but given your family history i would recommend asking for the test. Not to scare you, my grandmother had both breast and stomach cancer but we dont know what type of either and my sister had breast. I was dx with ILC Nov 2012, and Dec 2014 was dx with a carcinoid or Neuroendocrine tumor in my stomach. According to doc there is no connection with this type and breast cancer other then Men 1 mutation which i dont have.

    Im having 2/3 of my stomach removed on Mar 27th, although it appears not to have spread any where else that is the surgical guideline based on the type of carcinoid i have.

    If I was you i would ask a genetic counsellor, if there is a definate history of diffuse stomach cancer irregardless of breast cancer they should be testing for the E- cadherin mutation, its the only cause of diffuse stomach cancer

    In terms of screening, they can do endoscope and or Endoscopuc ultra sound, but usually as far as i know if you have the mutation they recommend a preventative total gastrectomy.

    Good luck

  • JohnSmith
    JohnSmith Member Posts: 651
    edited April 2015

    I could be wrong, but perhaps you are referring to the CDH1 gene mutation. All comprehensive BC genetic tests look for the CDH1 mutation. It is rare and most will test negative for it. Like the well known BRCA gene, CDH1 is a "tumor suppressor gene". Without this gene, a cell has a higher chance of mutating into cancer.

    In regards to E-cadherin. The hallmark of lobular cancer is the lack of E-cadherin. It's the sticky glue-like substance that holds cells together allowing the tumor to grow in a cohesive way, essentially forming a clump. Without E-cadherin, the cells tend to form little lines and are harder to find compared to ductal cases, which also explains why folks tend to discover ILC at later stages (although that is changing, as diagnostic / detection systems improve).

    The E-cadherin protein is encoded by the CDH1 gene. A recent study (derived from a subset of the TCGA project) presented at SABCS Dec 2014 discussed the molecular events associated with ILC. The study looked at 127 Lobular cases and revealed that CDH1 gene changes were observed in 63% of the ILC tumors. Not sure what this means clinically though. My wife has ILC, but tested negative for the CDH1 mutation. Regardless, if she tested positive, I don't believe they have a drug that targets this mutation yet (this may be changing though, per research news out of the University of Otago in New Zealand. See this link: "Bright new hope for beating deadly hereditary stomach and breast cancers").

    Clearly, lobular can metastasize in a slightly strange way to unusual locations of the body (Many attribute this to the lack of e-cadherin). One of those "unusual" areas I commonly read about is stomach metastasis.

  • Rdrunner
    Rdrunner Member Posts: 309
    edited February 2015

    yep you are right its the CDH1 mutation that is linked to the lack of E cadherin. Diffuse stomach cancer is always positive for this mutation.. however a stomach met from BC may not be positive for this mutation.

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited February 2015

    My grandfather died of stomach cancer, but my mother always claimed this was environmental--he was a WWI soldier, exposed to gas, and also worked in copper mines for years as a driller. So should I be concerned? He died in 1944.

    Claire

  • vlnrph
    vlnrph Member Posts: 1,632
    edited February 2015

    Claire, certainly inquire about meeting with a genetic counselor. Even with minimal family history, there is help available to assess your risk.

    Anyone else with a concern or diagnosed mutation, consider looking at the PROMPT website (Patient Registry of Multi Panel Testing). This consortium of 4 leading research centers is pooling reports and analyzing data in an effort to answer a few of the many questions that arise following detection of an abnormality. The folks who get a "Variation of Unknown Significance" have it the worst: at least with BRCA 1/2, PALB, CDH-1, etc there are some protocols in place for management, or at least factors to consider!

  • JohnSmith
    JohnSmith Member Posts: 651
    edited February 2015

    What's the PROMPT url?

  • vlnrph
    vlnrph Member Posts: 1,632
    edited February 2015

    Sorry not to have included this in my previous post (I'm never sure if I'll have success in getting a link to work but below is the text our moderators pinned to the top of the High Risk Forum here):

    PROMPT is a new opportunity for patients to pool their genetic data. The Prospective Registry of Multiplex Testing has sponsors including Mayo, Sloan Kettering, Dana-Farber and the University of Pennsylvania.

    This effort is very important for those who have had panels that go beyond BRCA 1/2. We need to know what some of the uncertain variants and rare mutations mean for future screenings & treatment plans. Also for our sisters and daughters!

    www.promptstudy.org

  • Penzance
    Penzance Member Posts: 101
    edited March 2015

    Very informative post, John, thank you. I don't know yet whether I'm LCIS or ILC (not had surgery yet) but my biopsy report stated I had 'total lack of expression of e-cadherin'. I'm not sure whether it's the gene is absent or just hypermethylated (covered by methyl groups) and cannot be read, and whether the loss of e-cadherin is just in the malignant cells or in the other cells as well. No story of stomach cancers (or any cancers) in my family (and most of them died in their 80's or 90's), however, many cases of stomach ulcers, and a couple of partial gastrectomies, which might have cut out an undiagnosed stomach cancer in an early stage. My malignant cells are pleomorphic too :( 

  • vlnrph
    vlnrph Member Posts: 1,632
    edited March 2015

    Anyone of Italian descent or related to this former pontiff? The article does not mention BC but was interesting anyway...

    BioMed Research International
    Volume 2013 (2013), Article ID 385132, 8 pages
    http://dx.doi.org/10.1155/2013/385132

    Research Article

    History, Pathogenesis, and Management of Familial Gastric Cancer: Original Study of John XXIII's Family

  • JohnSmith
    JohnSmith Member Posts: 651
    edited April 2015

    Another forum member just sent me this research news article published last month. Very interesting.
    Bright new hope for beating deadly hereditary stomach and Lobular breast cancers

    Any ILC experts care to discuss it?

  • fizzdon52
    fizzdon52 Member Posts: 568
    edited April 2015

    John Smith I have read that article before It comes out of New Zealand which is where I live. The one thing I don't get is Lobular Cancer genetic, because no-one else in my family has it? I have heard of that Maori family here that all suffer from stomach cancer. Most of them get their stomachs removed in their teens as they all end up getting stomach cancer and usually dying from it without the surgery. But I don't get the link between their family cancer and Lobular Breast Cancer? Is it just that their cancer lacks E-Cadherin in the same way Lobular Breast Cancer does? Does anyone know or understand the connection? As far as I know no-one else in my family has had Lobular Breast Cancer or stomach cancer.

  • JohnSmith
    JohnSmith Member Posts: 651
    edited January 2016

    @Fizz... Yes, I was initially confused too. Like Lobular, E-Cadherin can be "lost" in gastric cancer, particularly in Hereditary Diffuse Gastric Cancer (HDGC), which Dr. Guilford studies.

    Like the well known BRCA gene, CDH1 is a "tumor suppressor" gene. The CDH1 gene is responsible for encoding the cell-to-cell adhesion protein E-cadherin (Ecad). The genetic hallmark of Lobular is the lack (or "loss") of Ecad. Without the sticky Ecad protein, the cancer cells do not clump together very well and often grow if single file lines.

    I emailed Dr. Guilford in New Zealand to get some clarification on the March 2015 article: "Bright new hope for beating deadly hereditary stomach and breast cancers".
    I specifically asked: "Is this news relevant for the lobular cohort that tested negative for CDH1 gene mutations?"
    He replied saying it is relevant for Lobular. It does not matter if you tested positive or negative for CDH1 gene mutation. This applies regardless of whether they are somatic or germline mutations. [Somatic mutations are not transmitted to children, but germline mutations may be transmitted to some or all children. Somatic mutations develop after conception in any cell in the body, and are passed down only to descendants of that particular cell, not to future generations. Germline mutations are passed from generation to generation; they are present at conception and therefore are passed down into every cell in the body.]

    Anyway, Dr. Guilford emphasizes that their research results which exploit the targeting of "G-protein coupled receptor (GPCR) signalling proteins" to kill cancer cells, are based on "cell line observations", which may not hold in whole tumors... that's the next stage of their research.

    Here's the good news... It's not mentioned in the article, but it's the new class of drugs called: "HDAC inhibitors" that may be useful against GPCR proteins which are over-expressed in Lobular, especially for those that experience AI & Tamoxifen resistance. HDAC inhibitors deal with Epigenetics, which looks at ways genes are turned on and off other than just through mutations. DNA methylation is an epigenetic mechanism used by cells to control gene expression. This could be big news. HDAC inhibitors are already on the market for lymphoma, multiple myeloma and others, per wikipedia, here. Clinical trials are underway to determine if they should be used for breast cancer. Researchers think they might add significant value, especially when dealing with ER+ drug resistance.

    This new info warrants a new thread. Otherwise it will be lost in the sea of comments. Give me time to create the post as I collect more data.

  • fizzdon52
    fizzdon52 Member Posts: 568
    edited April 2015

    Thanks John Smith, unfortunately here in New Zealand we are not offered the genetic testing. You can pay for it, but it is really expensive and would take months as I believe they have to send it to the US. I have heard that in some cases they do genetic testing if there is a really strong case for it, but not for mere mortals like me.

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited April 2015

    So if you test positive for this gene, is there a drug available to prevent stomach cancer? I'm already high risk because of my node status and see my MO for CBC panels, etc. every 4-6 months. My grandfather on my mother's side and my aunt (I just remembered) both had the disease. However my grandfather died in the early 40s, and my mother said it was because of gas in WWI and the environmental exposure to copper mining. My aunt died in 2011, but she (as I am) is a downwinder--we were in the path of the fallout from above ground nuclear testing in the 50s/early 60s in Nevada, and were higher risk for cancers like stomach and breast because of our radiation exposure. Does most insurance in the US pay for genetic testing if it's ordered by a physician?

    Claire in AZ

  • JohnSmith
    JohnSmith Member Posts: 651
    edited January 2016

    I've edited my post above with new relevant info about the article titled: Bright new hope for beating deadly hereditary stomach and breast cancers.

    @claireinaz
    You'll have to ask your MO or do some research. In terms of clinical relevance, the mutation of the CDH1 gene is treated the same way the BRCA gene is treated. Prophylactic surgery.
    In other words, there is no current treatment for this kind of gastric cancer. Surgical removal of the stomach is the preventive measure.
    This applies to breast cancer. Since Lobular breast cancer is hard to detect by mammography, prophylactic mastectomies are often undertaken by some carriers of the CDH1 gene mutation. There is no drug available at the moment (but that might be changing based on the research ongoing in New Zealand and other labs like UCSF in San Francisco). Again, it's a rare mutation.
    In terms of getting tested, simple genetic panels are plentiful and getting cheaper. In terms of insurance, ask your medical team about coverage. My wife had a genetic test done and it was partially covered. I think she paid $2-3K total and we have terrible insurance. :)

    Please see this thread - Affordable yet quality breast cancer genetic panels for companies that offer genetic tests (and the potential costs).

    Update: Color Genomics offers a clinical grade inexpensive genetic test.
    See my thread: "Color Genomics | Genetic Test | 19 genes | $249".

  • fizzdon52
    fizzdon52 Member Posts: 568
    edited April 2015

    Thanks John Smith, that is very exciting news. I look forward to hearing more about HDAC inhibitors.

  • MariaTeresaG
    MariaTeresaG Member Posts: 38
    edited April 2015

    Rdrunner...your post interests me. I previously had kidney cancer. My sister had a neuroendocrine cancer; islet cell and gastrinoma. When diagnosed the cancer was metastatic. The primary tumor was in the pancreas, 13x9cm.

    Now I have been diagnosed with ILC. Er/PR + and HER2-. Grade 2.

    MariaTeresa

  • Captroynsteph1
    Captroynsteph1 Member Posts: 13
    edited April 2015

    I have ILC and tested positive for CDH1 mutation, but have been told that the testing is too dangerous to monitor for gastric cancer? Endoscopies can't see it and biopsies are too invasive. Very interested in any developments on this front. There must be away to stay ahead of this!

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