ER+ diet

Jmo06
Jmo06 Member Posts: 159

Hi ladies curius what food do you eat or avoid if you are er+ thanks!

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  • SpecialK
    SpecialK Member Posts: 16,486
    edited October 2014

    I avoid dairy, soy, fennel, non grass-fed meats, and flax, and I limit pomegranate.

  • Jmo06
    Jmo06 Member Posts: 159
    edited October 2014

    Thanks specialk, curious what is wrong with pomegranate. Still in my newbie learning stage. Thanks again!!

  • SpecialK
    SpecialK Member Posts: 16,486
    edited October 2014

    Nothing is wrong with it - but it can function as an aromatase inhibitor.  Since I take Femara already I am trying to control the amount since the drug can cause joint pain, and I don't know if the pomegranate can compound that.  Also, if I drink it I only drink the pure form, without sugar.

  • Jmo06
    Jmo06 Member Posts: 159
    edited October 2014

    AW gotcha thanks for the info! much appreciated!!!!

  • gunnie
    gunnie Member Posts: 24
    edited October 2014

    Hi- I am ER + any support as I am totally new to this, just thrown a cup of coffee down thew sink!  I am eating lots of green veg, organic of course, tomatoes fried as well in coconut oil but not sure what to avoid.  Any help would be appreciated.

    regards Ailsa x

  • Bounce
    Bounce Member Posts: 574
    edited October 2014

    Found this link:

    Pomegranate sensitizes Tamoxifen action in ER-α positive breast cancer cells

    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC324575...


  • Jmo06
    Jmo06 Member Posts: 159
    edited October 2014
  • Trvler
    Trvler Member Posts: 3,159
    edited February 2015

    I am disappointed to see that this topic isn't getting much response. It seems like the majority of BC's (at least from reading people's dx) are ER+. I would think there would be more interest.


    I am especially interested in the discussion of flax. I was eating a cereal containing flax for a couple of years before dx and some granola with it for about the last year. It was supposed to help with my chronic constipation, although it never did. I can't help but wonder if it contributed to my dx of BC, especially because I think this lump has been there for 20 years.

  • katcar0001
    katcar0001 Member Posts: 621
    edited February 2015

    I refer to foodforbreastcancer.com for my diet. Like SpecialK, I avoid dairy, soy, flax (I am allergic to these first three anyway), non free-range beef, lamb and chicken. I have reduced the amount of eggs I used to eat, but still enjoy Omega3-enriched eggs several times a week. I also avoid other phytoestrogens that you can find listed on the site above. I do not drink more than one glass of wine per week, and I limit sugar. I eat a lot more brassica vegetables than before my diagnosis, and even more mushrooms than ever, which I love. I don't have a problem with gluten, so I eat whole wheat bread and pasta as well as brown rice, polenta, buckwheat and quinoa. I drink a lot of strong green tea and coconut water. I enjoy green drinks and smoothies with organic whey protein. Unfortunately, my restricted diet has caused me to lose too much weight, but then fat cells harbor estrogen, so I working on finding my ideal weight. Good luck to you!

  • labelle
    labelle Member Posts: 721
    edited February 2015

    I do eat flaxseed, but I avoid soy, gluten, dairy, non-grassfed fed meats, non-organic chicken, sugar, legumes, rice, white potatoes, processed anything, corn and corn oils, canola oil.

    I follow a Paleo diet, so all of these are out not just because of the BC diagnosis, but I also think it's a good diet for me to continue to follow post BC diagnosis-hormone laced meats, poultry and dairy products cannot be good for those of us who are ER+ IMO and sugar is almost certainly bad for anyone with any kind of cancer diagnosis (and not so good for anyone else either IMO). I switched to a Paleo diet about 9 months prior to being diagnosed with BC and felt so good, lost 25 lbs, all my blood work (lipids, cholesterol, etc) looked great, my thyroid was finally tamed and then BC. Do wish I'd started eating clean a long time ago.

    I use primarily olive and coconuts oils for cooking. Eat plenty of fresh organic fruits, veggies, meats, fish, eggs, nuts and nut flours for baking treats. Stevia and sometimes a bit of honey or maple syrup for sweeteners, coconut sugar for baking (don't do a lot of Paleo baking/treats either, mostly just for company and special occasions). Dark (90%) chocolate or dried fruits and my big cheats/weaknesses but I try to keep them to a minimum since being diagnosed. .

  • GrammyR
    GrammyR Member Posts: 702
    edited February 2015

    Iabelle- Dark Chocolate is OK not like milk chocolate and dairy. My MO is of Chinese descent so encourages eating less meat. He said tofu is OK but I an wary of it and hormones. Generally avoiding sugar and eating more fruit and veggies. I made a delicious Asian lettuce wraps today w/brown rice, mushrooms and water chestnuts. I aim to lose a few lbs over Lent. I went back to prunes for fiber. Thise fiber gummies are useless for me and I read Flax contains Estrogen.

  • labelle
    labelle Member Posts: 721
    edited February 2015

    I know very dark chocolate is "okay" and has very little sugar (a serving has less sugar than a banana) but only in moderation. Eating a large bar of dark chocolate everyday (something I could do most days) is not IMO a foundation for a healthy diet. LOL.

    Like soy there is a lot of controversy about whether ER+ BC survivors should eat flaxseed/ if it is good or bad for us. Personally, it keeps me regular, I think that is good, and since I eat no soy (in any form, not even as an additive to processed foods-it's everywhere if you read labels, not just in tofu) I'm keeping my flaxseed for the good things it does for my digestion.

    I too am surprised there is not more interest in this topic. For me, breast cancer was a giant wake-up call to change/examine my diet, life style, exercise habits, use of beauty products, etc. I wonder how many people feel this way, make majors changes and how many just do the treatments (surgery/RADS/chemo/hormones) without wondering what else might be done or thinking any more about what they put in/on their bodies prior to diagnosis..

  • cowgal
    cowgal Member Posts: 833
    edited February 2015

    Actually, this topic comes up a fair amount. You might want to do a search because I know their are lots of posts about different diets, different makeup and different hair care products that people have changed to following their diagnosis. I was diagnosed it will be 5 years ago on March 1st and will hit my five year cancer free date on March 31 (hopefully). I did completely change my makeup and my hair care products because of trying to avoid potential chemicals/ingredients that have estrogen properties. My medical oncologist told me diet wise that I just needed to eat a balanced diet but to avoid soy as much as I could. I asked him if I needed to give up red meat and he said no that it was part of a balanced diet so I still eat and enjoy beef and do not worry about whether it is grass fed or not. Over the years from the things that I have read, I think that a low glycemic load diet is a good one for preventing cancer coming back so that is what I am trying to do.

  • Trvler
    Trvler Member Posts: 3,159
    edited February 2015

    When people say avoid soy, does that mean an occasional bit of soy sauce with sushi or more of it like soy milk and such?

  • scvmom65
    scvmom65 Member Posts: 88
    edited February 2015

    I agree there are several other posts on this board about this. I know one is "what foods are you eating to reduce recurrence".

    I too changed my personal care products like cowgal since our skin can absorb things. I avoid meats with hormones, soy and flax per my onco. I also went to a naturopath doctor who tested me for foods that I was sensitive too since I heard that inflammation is a precursor to cancer. He told me I was sensitive to dairy, most grains, preservatives and dyes so I avoid those too. Since changing my diet I was able to get off all 3 allergy medications I was on so that was a bonus.

  • Hopeful82014
    Hopeful82014 Member Posts: 3,480
    edited February 2015
    Trvlr, I don't think that soy sauce as a condiment would be a concern, although if you could find organic/non-gmo that would probably be the best choice.

    SK - I'm curious as to why you avoid fennel?
  • labelle
    labelle Member Posts: 721
    edited February 2015

    I've found coconut aminos to be a good substitude for soy sauce.

  • Trvler
    Trvler Member Posts: 3,159
    edited February 2015

    Oh, I just discovered fennel!

  • cowgal
    cowgal Member Posts: 833
    edited February 2015

    Trvler - The way my MO explained "avoid soy" was that an occasional amount of it was okay but that you should not be eating it every day. So if for example you have a salad every day and you use a salad dressing that has soybean oil in it, then you need to find another salad dressing or better yet make one yourself. And yes, that meant soybeans, soybean oil, soy milk, etc. You can about drive yourself batty reading labels to find out how much soy is in foods that you would have never guessed it to be in. I also found that it was in a lot of cosmetics and hair products. I agree with SCVMOM65 about inflammation being the thing you want to avoid.

  • Trvler
    Trvler Member Posts: 3,159
    edited February 2015

    Interesting because I never had a clue it was in any makeup or hair products.

  • CassieCat
    CassieCat Member Posts: 1,257
    edited February 2015

    I'm limiting soy and sugar, and increasing fruits and vegetables. I have half and half in my coffee, but we don't use milk. We use almond or cashew milk instead. I still eat cheese and yogurt. As for meat, I only ate chicken before, and only when eating out. We were also more of a whole grain family already, so I'm still eating whole wheat products, along with quinoa, rolled oats, etc. I, too, found the foodforbreastcancer.com site helpful, especially the subsections for ER+ and HER2+. I'm also trying to absorb the advice in the books Anticancer and Life Over Cancer (I think that's the other title; I'd have to go look at my Nook). We opt for organic, non-GMO, etc. whenever we can. I'm avoiding soy protein isolates completely, and trying to add a cup of green tea to my daily routine.

  • Hopeful82014
    Hopeful82014 Member Posts: 3,480
    edited February 2015

    I note that many of the studies linked to under various foods actually reference supplements containing compounds such as folic acid, as opposed to real foods containing the same. I think that's an important distinction. Certain foods such as soy I do avoid but I would not give up tea or fennel, etc without compelling evidence of any negative effect.

  • GrammyR
    GrammyR Member Posts: 702
    edited February 2015

    cowgal- congrats on the 5 year mark. Just be very vigilant. Mine can back after 6 years and h

    ad to get 6 weeks of RADS 2013 am now stable w /no new growth or treatment. I feel I must add that most MO have very little concern about diet and cancer. All they push are more drugs. I try to reduce hormones regardless of if MO suggests it or not. I was only advised no soy during chemo months. I still use low salt soy sauce occasionally as many recipes call for it.

  • Chloesmom
    Chloesmom Member Posts: 1,053
    edited February 2015

    What's the deal with folic acid please?

  • Trvler
    Trvler Member Posts: 3,159
    edited February 2015

    GrammyR: I went to the doctor finally after spending a lifetime with off and on chronic constipation. I figured he might tell me to go gluten free or eat more fiber or something. He told me to try this fairly new medication. It actually worked like magic but I don't know why I even thought he would suggest a diet change. I did go to a GP about it about 25 years ago and he told me to eat more fiber.

  • Hopeful82014
    Hopeful82014 Member Posts: 3,480
    edited February 2015

    "I avoid fennel because it is phytoestrogenic" Oh, for crying out loud!! I am beginning to think that there is absolutely nothing that it's safe to eat. I'm not going to die of bc, I'll starve to death instead...

    I do like fennel and enjoy the occasional cup of fennel tea. I don't use either in large quantities, however, so may just make a mental note of this information and not eliminate it altogether.

    I do think there is much greater need for caution with supplements or essential oils than with foods. It's good to be aware of the phytoestrogenic qualities of our foods and, armed with that information, make the decision to avoid or reduce consumption or to use them with restraint.

    On the other hand, I love the look of fennel in the garden and sharing it with my neighbors, so I guess I'll just have more to share this year.

    As always, thanks for the info, albeit unwelcome, SK.

  • SpecialK
    SpecialK Member Posts: 16,486
    edited February 2015

    hopeful - I was not a huge fennel eater before BC so not a sacrifice for me even though I like it, but I should have added the qualifier that it is estrogenic enough that I will avoid it, but you obviously can't avoid plant estrogens completely. The linked stuff mentions using it for natural breast enhancement, lactation and pregnancy problems, so that is too estrogenic for my comfort level.

  • Hopeful82014
    Hopeful82014 Member Posts: 3,480
    edited February 2015

    Yes, I noted that with some dismay, SK. I've never consumed large quantities of it but occasionally use it in salads or the aforementioned tea, which I may ditch. I'll certainly be more conscious of how often I consume it.

  • cowgal
    cowgal Member Posts: 833
    edited February 2015

    Thanks GrammyR. I haven't hit it yet but hopefully in a month I will. I just had my MO appointment a week ago and everything was good so hopefully it will continue that way. I am very sorry that your cancer came back.

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