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  • lala1
    lala1 Member Posts: 1,147
    edited February 2015

    Interesting that Vitamin E would be recommended. The first thing my oncologist told me was to take a multivitamin with the LEAST amount of Vit E in it. He said if at all possible he'd rather I not go anywhere near Vitamin E. He said the same thing about soy. Anyone told the same by their doc?

  • formydaughter
    formydaughter Member Posts: 213
    edited February 2015

    Mine said no soy for ER+ and no grapefruit for interaction with chemo meds and tamoxifen.

    He said no multi vitamins, but I can't recall why.

    Maybe recall reading that Vit E promotes cell growth in general, so maybe not a good thing with cancer? But if it's recommended to some, there must be a reason!I'll ask my MO during treatment next week.

  • scvmom65
    scvmom65 Member Posts: 88
    edited February 2015

    Mine also said no soy and no flax for ER+ PR+, and eat meats and dairy from animals not given growth hormones. I take a multi and fish oils in the morning, calcium with D and K in the evening. I eat low sugar/low glycemic, lots of veggies, nuts, berries, meats and good fats like avocados. I drink lots of reverse osmosis water everyday and exercise 45 mins to 1 hr 5 to 6 days a week. I avoid preservatives, most dairy and dyes since I am sensitive to them. I went to a naturopathic doctor who tested me for sensitivites to things that cause inflammation in my body. I read somewhere that inflammation is the precursor to many diseases and as a bonus, since I gave up the stuff I was sensitive to, I was able to get off all 3 allergy medications I was on.

  • fluffycats
    fluffycats Member Posts: 35
    edited February 2015

    I was going to start taking my vit d in the evening but now find that women on tamox might not want to take vit d at night...

    "Vitamin D temporarily pauses the production of melatonin, the sleep hormone, so don't take it at night."

    https://www.bulletproofexec.com/bulletproof-your-s...

    ???

  • glennie19
    glennie19 Member Posts: 6,398
    edited February 2015


    Interesting about the Vitamin D.  I take my big dose in the morning, but my calcium has 500 units in it, and I take that at night.

  • pipers_dream
    pipers_dream Member Posts: 618
    edited February 2015

    My holistic doc has me taking lots of E, so maybe it interferes with your meds? It's a pretty powerful anti-oxidant and can interfere with chemo.

  • lala1
    lala1 Member Posts: 1,147
    edited February 2015

    Hmmm....my MO just said stay away from Vit E as it promotes estrogen. I'll have to ask more when I see him again.


  • Trvler
    Trvler Member Posts: 3,159
    edited February 2015

    Does anyone know anything about magnesium? I have been taking 250 after dinner occasionally because I read it can help with sleep in place of Xanex. I don't know if it is because I have been working out more lately but I DO seem to be sleeping better.

  • Nash54
    Nash54 Member Posts: 837
    edited February 2015

    I've been using magnesium for awhile. It helps me with restless leg syndrome, heart palpitations, and regularity....not so sure if it helps me with sleep. I do take it before bed but I am still a restless sleeper. Don't know if I'd be worse without it. And it seems to be helping with some hip pain. Although I have been working out and going to a chiropractor as well as getting monthly massages. Who knows what's really helping. But I do notice the heart palpitations if I stop taking it regularly.



  • Hopeful82014
    Hopeful82014 Member Posts: 3,480
    edited February 2015

    My gastro-enterologist advised me about 5 years ago to take Vit. D3, magnesium and calcium citrate together to enhance the effectiveness of each. This was in regard to pre-cancerous polyps but I've since read a number of studies of the role of this combination in reducing breast cancer as well.

    Of course, I still got breast cancer... :(

  • Kathy044
    Kathy044 Member Posts: 433
    edited February 2015
    I take my D3 and calcium separately, keeps the size of the pills down, I also prefer calcium carbonate to calcium citrate for the same reason. D3 needs to go through the liver and kidneys anyway, as i understand it, before it is able to help with calcium absorption in the intestines. (I already have osteoporosis and had to speak with the pharmacist at the cancer centre before getting my first Arimidex RX).

    Kathy
  • Trvler
    Trvler Member Posts: 3,159
    edited February 2015

    Nash54: That's interesting about the heart palpitations. I also think it helps with stabilizing blood sugar.

  • Manu14
    Manu14 Member Posts: 153
    edited February 2015

    I'm really sold on the benefit of taking magnesium. I started half a year ago ro help with horrible nighttime leg cramps and I got immediate relief. And now that I found out it helps with calcium absorption, that's even better.. I take 250 mg in the evening.

  • lala1
    lala1 Member Posts: 1,147
    edited February 2015

    I take 2 SloMag every morning and one at night. Helps tremendously with joint and muscle pain from Tamoxifen but I think the turmeric and ginger help the most with that. The SloMag does keep my bowels moving very regularly and I think also helps with my sleep but that could be the melatonin! My holistic doc said he feels the magnesium chloride works the best and he prefers the SloMag brand.

  • Nash54
    Nash54 Member Posts: 837
    edited February 2015

    lala1....how do you take your turmeric and ginger?

  • Momine
    Momine Member Posts: 7,859
    edited February 2015

    I take a small dose of magnesium in the evening. It helps with muscle cramps and helps me sleep. I looked and could find no danger or downside to this.

  • lala1
    lala1 Member Posts: 1,147
    edited February 2015

    Nash54---I take a 550mg capsule of Gaia Turmeric (my holistic doc said this was the best kind) every day along with a 550mg capsule of ginger (he said any brand is ok). My doc said I could take up to 3 a day but I started with 1 and that works for me. Give it a couple of weeks to kick in to see if it works before you up the dose.

  • Trvler
    Trvler Member Posts: 3,159
    edited February 2015

    Kayb: Thanks for posting that information. Very interesting.

  • Nash54
    Nash54 Member Posts: 837
    edited February 2015

    lala1...thanks I keep hearing so many good things about turmeric and then I hear it's not good to take if you are e+p+....I guess it mimics estrogen or something. It's all very confusing. But I really want to avoid the SE's of Fermara...ie joint pain if at all possible.

  • Hopeful82014
    Hopeful82014 Member Posts: 3,480
    edited February 2015

    Nash, I'll PM you with info my MO provided on turmeric. Long story short, for ER+, 'enjoy the curry, ditch the capsules.'

  • Nash54
    Nash54 Member Posts: 837
    edited February 2015

    Thanks Hopeful82014....you would think the medical community could agree on at least one thing!

  • Momine
    Momine Member Posts: 7,859
    edited February 2015

    Hopeful, I would like to know too, because I can't find anything on this issue.

  • Hopeful82014
    Hopeful82014 Member Posts: 3,480
    edited February 2015

    For those who are interested in the question of turmeric and phytoestrogens, this is what my MO passed on to me from her sources:

    "I often have patients add turmeric to their daily smoothies…

    Here are a couple of relevant links from Sloan Kettering:

    http://www.mskcc.org/cancer-care/herb/turmeric
    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20798532



    1) Most things made from plants have phytoestrogens in them, or put more precisely, contain chemicals that act in varying ways as naturally-occurring estrogen-like substances (but are not themselves estrogens)


    2) It's not really that concerning in the course of normal dietary consumption (beans, broccoli etc) and may even be beneficial (flax, whole grains)


    3) We are not always sure if these chemicals act as estrogen receptor agonists, antagonists or modifiers


    4) Bench-level & mouse testing on the constituents is contradictory and the animals get higher doses of isolated constituent then would ever be possible in the course of normal life


    5) The concern starts with concentrated extracts of any of these substances (soy is probably the best example), because many of these constituents may become more strongly estrogenic with purification (eg soy isoflavones)


    6) Even if we see "estrogenic" effects in a dish in the lab, we cannot presume to know the effect in a whole person. Many naturally occurring substances have an interesting bimodality in action, acting one way at low doses and another at high (seems curcumin does this too, according to the paper Ken sent)

    ... I truly do not fuss about phytoestrogens from unprocessed foods and spices consumed in normal dietary quantities. Turmeric the spice has a 5000+ year historical precedence of safety, I am completely fine if it's used the way it has been in India for that time: culinary amounts, cooked in a bit of oil or ghee before becoming part of a dish. (Black pepper added to increase bioavailability to taste.)

    I DO fuss about highly refined products including soy and concentrated extracts (curcumin). Never been a fan of indiscriminate use of curcumin, I do not agree w/the fashionable "curcumin supplements for everybody for anything." We don't know enough about how curcumin acts in high doses, over the long term. Curcumin also tends to be among the most contaminated of supplements (bugs, pesticides, heavy metals).

    Bottom line: enjoy the curry, don't take the capsule."

    I hope this helps. If you disagree, feel free to follow your own mind.

  • Momine
    Momine Member Posts: 7,859
    edited February 2015

    Hopeful, that was very helpful, thanks. I tend to take the same approach to most supplements. I tried several supplements right after my DX, but decided that it probably was not, on balance, a great idea in the case of many common supplements.

  • Hopeful82014
    Hopeful82014 Member Posts: 3,480
    edited February 2015
    You're welcome, Momine. I'm glad it was useful. Take care.
  • yoga_girl
    yoga_girl Member Posts: 234
    edited February 2015

    Nutrition-legume

    Two thirds of a cup of organic kidney beans contains nearly every vitamin and mineral.  They have 38% of the daily value of folate, 28% of copper, 24% of iron, and 23% of manganese, a mineral that's part of the body's own antioxidant system.  They are rich in fiber and phytonutrients (natural chemicals found in plant foods that protect the plant from germs and other threats), especially phenolic compounds, which can help keep LDL (bad cholesterol) in check.

    Organic Three Bean Salad

    1 - 15 oz can organic Garbanzo Beans

    1 - 15 oz can organic Red Kidney Beans

    1 - 15 oz can organic Black Beans

    1/4 cup organic Italian Salad Dressing (extra virgin olive oil base)

    1/4 cup organic fresh basil, chopped or 1/2 tsp. dried (optional)

    1 T. dried organic parsley flakes (or 4 T. fresh parsley chopped)

    1/2 cup organic onions (green or purple), chopped

    3/4 cup organic (red, orange or yellow) bell peppers, diced small

    1/2 tsp. Kosher Salt (or to taste)

    1/8 tsp. ground cayenne pepper (or to taste)

    Optional: 1-2 single packets, organic Stevia (depending on how sweet you like your Italian Salad Dressing)

    Rinse and drain all beans.  Combine all ingredients in a bowl. Season to taste with salt and pepper.

    Place in refrigerator, marinate for 30 minutes.  Stir well before serving.





     

  • bc101
    bc101 Member Posts: 1,108
    edited February 2015

    Thanks for the recipe yogagirl!. I LOVE 3 bean salad! 😃

    I just found this great website with recipes for cancer survivors and lots of other good resources:

    www.cookforyourlife.org



  • wantshealthback
    wantshealthback Member Posts: 4
    edited February 2015

    I get eggs that are soy free. Meaning that the chickens are not fed soybeans or GMO soybeans. I'd like to think this lessens my estrogen load.

  • bc101
    bc101 Member Posts: 1,108
    edited February 2015

    Hopeful82014,

    I noticed that you are undergoing neoadjuvant treatment with Femera. I also had neoadjuvant therapy but with Arimidex. It is so unusual to see those who don't go directly to surgery on this site. I'd be very interested in hearing the details of your treatment plan if you don't mind sharing, that is. I see you are scheduled for a lumpectomy. I wish I could say that I responded well to the therapy and was able to have a lumpectomy, but as you can see from my signature it didn't work out for me. When I first started down that road, I felt like a freak and had no one to compare notes with, so didn't really seek out help from this site until later. It's nice to see others who are going that route so I know I wasn't the only one. I hope things are going well for you so far!

  • Hopeful82014
    Hopeful82014 Member Posts: 3,480
    edited February 2015

    BC101 - Your note made me feel like Crusoe discovering another inhabitant of the island! Yes, it's very, very unusual to find anyone on here doing neoad. A/Is and it is kind of lonely having no one to compare notes with. It's kind of a hard road, mentally, although the payoff may be quite substantial over time.

    I'm really sorry to hear that it didn't work out so well for you, but hope that at least you gained some useful information as to what works for you and what doesn't. For the most part, everyone else is just guessing as far as their tumor's response to A/Is, so I consider both of us somewhat ahead of the curve on that count.

    I've been fortunate enough to do very well, so far. I don't know if it will be enough to clear the node but I do know it's dropped the proliferation rate and shrunk both the tumor and the node substantially, so I am cautiously optimistic. Both my MO and my BS are pleased and encouraging. I'll see the latter this week and will know a bit more then.

    If you like, I will PM you with additional info.

    Thank you for reaching out - I really appreciate it. I also appreciate the link to Cook for your Life. I hope things are starting to return to something closer to normal for you and that you feel you're getting your life back. Please stay in touch.

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