Cancer back-will radiation and chemo affect my DIEP breasts?

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klanders
klanders Member Posts: 244
edited February 2015 in Breast Reconstruction
Cancer back-will radiation and chemo affect my DIEP breasts?

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  • klanders
    klanders Member Posts: 244
    edited January 2015

    I found out last night that two years after my initial diagnosis (cancer in both breasts) and my bilateral mastectomies at NOLA with DIEP reconstruction, the cancer is back. I have two lumps in my left breast that are close to where one of the old lumps was.

    I'm in that awful holding pattern waiting to get in to see my oncologist to find out the next steps. My primary doc thinks chemo and radiation are in my future - two bullets I dodged last time around. Anyone have any experience with what affect these treatments will have on my DIEP breasts? I paid a lot of money to have beautiful cosmetic results. Of course, primary concern is that they get the cancer out, but will they destroy my breasts in the process and do I need to do anything different or special because of my type of reconstruction?

    Kristin

  • jenjenl
    jenjenl Member Posts: 948
    edited January 2015

    Sorry to hear this news. Chemo won't change them, radiation might...no way to tell. I imagine you'll have surgery to remove lump and that alone would impact the breast.

  • Dogsneverlie
    Dogsneverlie Member Posts: 278
    edited January 2015

    Hi Kristin,

    I am so very sorry to hear this.  I did not know that if you had MX and DIEP reconstruction that BC could come back.....how does that happen?  When is the appointment with the oncologist?  PLEASE post again and let us know how you are doing and what they say for treatment.

    Sadly, radiation does affect breast tissue.  I do not think chemo does anything with breast tissue but I am not positive.

  • SpecialK
    SpecialK Member Posts: 16,486
    edited January 2015

    dogs - anyone who has a mastectomy for an invasive breast cancer, regardless of reconstruction choice, can have a local recurrence as it is impossible to remove 100% of the breast tissue.

  • Meow13
    Meow13 Member Posts: 4,859
    edited January 2015

    What kind of radiation? External might have an effect. Ask for options you might be able to dothe internal


  • klanders
    klanders Member Posts: 244
    edited January 2015

    I'm still in limbo. I found out Tuesday night from my primary doc but I'm still waiting for my oncologist to call and set up appointments for MRI's, scans, etc.... This waiting is hard. I'll keep you posted. This has shaken me to the core - I gave up my breasts so that this wouldn't happen again. I knew there was a chance of the cancer metastisizing but I had NO IDEA that I could get more lumps and need a lumpectomy after a mastectomy! But I had cancer in both breasts before so we were trying to lower my risk. My breast surgeon definitely missed something when he took out my tissue.

  • MartyJ
    MartyJ Member Posts: 1,859
    edited January 2015

    Kristin, my heart is breaking for you. Have you talked with NOLA yet? They have a vested interest in our diagnosis and outcome. Especially since they did the mx. They may have suggestions on how to rid you of the evil and preserve your Foobs.

  • cider8
    cider8 Member Posts: 832
    edited February 2015

    NOLA DIEP here. I had a new primary of IBC and had to have my perfectly prophylacticly econstructed breast removed. My spared skin had to go. It sucks. Hopefully surgery to remove the lumps will be minimal.

    Before that I had a recurrence on my original cancer side and I ended up needing radiation. It took at least a year for all of the swelling from radiation to go away. The swelling was more like thickened skin. My skin tolerated rads pretty well. Now 2 years out from rads on my remaining DIEP breast I still see the faint 'tan' line. But the skin is nice and smooth and the shape is still great. I'm not able to tell if size changed, as I changed bras and have nothing to compare it to.

    Cancer is sneaky and a recurrence is not simply the fault of the breast surgeon (though it can be!). Ladies with DCIS can skip right on to mets. I don't believe my recurrence and new primary is because Dr Stolier did not do a good enough mastectomy; I believe it is because the cancer cells in me are strong and sneaky. My scans and pathology did not indicate any breast tissue was left behind (breast cells remaining are assumed). The more I experience, read up and talk to other women the more I understand cancer is not easy or simple to control. It's good some women are able to have minimal treatment and never experience it again.

    I'm so sorry you are in that waiting mode. I know it all to well. I did keep in touch with the Center but my IBC case was so unusual and aggressive they were not able to actually help me. I never even talked directly to my doctors there. Hopefully your treatment is minimal and straight forward.


  • farmerlucy
    farmerlucy Member Posts: 3,985
    edited February 2015

    omg Paula. I am in shock about all you have been through. Hoping and praying you have seen the end of this crap. Gentle hug.

  • LAstar
    LAstar Member Posts: 1,574
    edited February 2015

    As a NOLA sister, I'm so sorry to hear this. I also think it might be useful to contact NOLA and get their take on it. Did Dr Stolier do your MX?

  • TwoHobbies
    TwoHobbies Member Posts: 2,118
    edited February 2015

    Klanders I had a similar situation. I had a recurrence and had lumpectomy and radiation and I see absolutely no change in my reconstruction post rads. The doctors thought since it was pretty established little harm would be done and they were correct. I was at 2 years and I see you are about the same so I think you'll be fine. Chemo will not effect it for sure.

    Cider good to see you!

  • jmb5
    jmb5 Member Posts: 532
    edited February 2015

    TwoHobbies, just curious... did you have radiation both times on the same breast? When I had a recurrence (DCIS), they wouldn't do radiation again and said mastectomy was my only option.

  • TwoHobbies
    TwoHobbies Member Posts: 2,118
    edited February 2015

    jmb, No I didn't have radiation the first time. I had a mastectomy the first time so no radiation. Second time they just excised the lump and so I did radiation too.

  • AmyQ
    AmyQ Member Posts: 2,182
    edited February 2015

    Kristin

    We were dx about the same time so I'm shocked the beast returned so soon. I'm terribly sorry to hear this and as others have said, cancer cells are sneaky. I'm just happy it's still in your breast and not metastasized to bones or organs. Prayers for successful treatment and minimal side-effects and most importantly, killing the cancer forever!!

    Amy

  • jmb5
    jmb5 Member Posts: 532
    edited February 2015

    Reading about these recurrences after mx/DIEP sucks. My heart hurts for you ladies.

  • DiveCat
    DiveCat Member Posts: 968
    edited February 2015

    I am sorry, Kristin, that you have had a local recurrence.

    Not quite the same situation, but my mum actually had her BMX/DIEP before she did 6 weeks of radiation during the time of her original diagnosis (she went chemo - MX/DIEP - rads) and while she have some changes to the skin on the radiated side originally, once she recovered from the radiation treatments, there was not like a significant noticeable change that affected her results negatively. Really, unless you really were looking for it, the two sides still looked the "same".

    In your case, I would even see if you can go back to NOLA to have your lumpectomies, if it is at all possible, I know from others who have gone through similar they will do the best they can to preserve the results you have, while still of course striving to get good margins.

    Chemo should not affect them at all.

    For dogsneverlie and others: a mastectomy does NOT reduce your risk of local recurrence (or of a new primary for that matter) to 0, whether or not you have recon and no matter what type of recon! This is not the fault of the BS (at least not usually) but just the fact that not all breast tissue can be guaranteed to be removed (breast tissue actually comprises quite a large area outside of the "breast" you see from the outside), that breast tissue cells, and cancer cells, can lay outside the obvious tissue parts, and cancer cells are tricky...they can already be hiding out outside of the breast tissue in the muscle, skin, etc. Even women who have never had breast cancer, and have prophylactic mastectomies due to BRCA+ or other hereditary risk factors/high risk factors like prior mantle radiation still continue to have a risk of developing a primary breast cancer, and it does indeed happen. I have seen a few members of FORCE who have prophylactic mastectomies, without any prior cancer dx and clear pathologies, end up with a primary later on. Frustrating, but the risk is only reduced by 90-95%, not 100%.

  • klanders
    klanders Member Posts: 244
    edited February 2015

    Hugs to you all. I appreciate your support and encouragement! Dr. Gray did my BMX along with Dr. Sullivan. (Dr. Stollier wasn't available that week for some reason.) Well, hopefully I'm finally through the tests. My doc wanted me to have a PET scan but insurance company wouldn't approve it so instead - yesterday I had a bone scan and today CT of chest, abdomen, and pelvis. I probably won't get the results until Monday. I've already gotten the results of the brain MRI and that was clear. Yay!

    Another few days and I should know what's in store for me. NOLA isn't an option this time. Financially and because my mom died in June and I'm my Dad's full time caregiver (he has Parkinsons).

    Thanks for all your comments.

    Kristin

  • cider8
    cider8 Member Posts: 832
    edited February 2015

    yay for clean brain MRI

  • ironmagnolia
    ironmagnolia Member Posts: 85
    edited February 2015

    Oh Klanders, I am so sorry to hear this. You and I exchanged a couple of posts as we we both had bilateral BC at about the same time. My DIEP was on 3/4/13, diagnosed on 1/30/13 with the bilateral diagnosis one week later. Your story scares me as I had to go back for a re-excision one month after my BX/DIEP for a dirty margin. BS said all was clear after the re-excision, but it still worries me.

    I, like you, have done everything I was told to do. I am two years out now, BS said 18 mo to 2 years is riskiest time for recurrence, but I still worry. I have not been active on the boards recently as I have been doing well and living life. Hugs to you!

  • klanders
    klanders Member Posts: 244
    edited February 2015

    All tests are back. It appears that this recurrence is local, which is great. And the lumps are both small and don't appear to be attached to the skin. But I was told today that my breast surgeon would have to remove part of my flap and that I'm going to have two concave areas. Part of my coping mechanism the first time was to focus not on the cancer but on the reconstruction and my beautiful outcome. So I'm really pretty sad to hear that I'm going to lose that now. Bummer.

  • juneping
    juneping Member Posts: 1,594
    edited February 2015

    klanders - I am relieved it's local. I wish you the best luck!!

    just read the other thread about your SE on tamoxifen....do you exercise? i have mild hot flashes from time to time especially at night. and i believe exercise helps a lot. i understand you are a caregiver at the moment but adding exercise can help with the stress as well.

    i had a very mild LE at my two fingers and they went away after i started rebounding. now i highly recommend it to everyone....let me know if you want more info....

  • cider8
    cider8 Member Posts: 832
    edited February 2015

    I'm so sorry you are going to have those lumpectomies. Yes, it's great news that it is local (such great news!). There is still part to grieve. It will take time and you will have ups and downs. I wish you the best outcome on all counts.

  • dixie60
    dixie60 Member Posts: 32
    edited February 2015

    I don’t have any advice, but I just wanted to give my support.

    I am sure it is incredibly stressful and scary—please know I stand beside you.

    oxo

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