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  • Bippy625
    Bippy625 Member Posts: 890
    edited February 2015

    hi,

    I had a bmx and am not wearing a bra now due to irritated skin. had been trying to use my foobs in the beginning, as I was a c cup and I hate the concave flat look. No top fits well or looks good. I do not want to care, but I do. We do not wear layers upon layers here in Fla., so it is very obvious. I hate the pity or other stares. Not because I care about their opinion, but as I do not want to use my energies to tell everyone to f$$:k off. It happens every time I leave home flat. So I have to stifle all the time.

    Anyways, I just have to not wear the foobs till I heal up and all will be well. If I were working though, it would suck as I would wear them in my bra. You just would not believe the number of idiots that think it gives them full license to pry into your most horrendous life experiences and medical condition, when they see flatness and just sprouting hair. It is like an a-hole magnet. They cannot resist. My wig covers my hair but a teeshirt does not cover concavity in 80 degrees. It just highlights it.

    So, that is why I attempted to wear a bra and foobs

  • MagicalBean
    MagicalBean Member Posts: 362
    edited February 2015

    I had a lumpectomy, then rads. After about a month, I began to get skin irritation under my breast. The bra just added to the discomfort so I quit wearing it. Fortunately my rads were done in Nov and Dec so I could flap around inside my sweatshirts without being too obvious. Within a week of ending rads, I was healed and back in my bra.

  • Beachbum1023
    Beachbum1023 Member Posts: 1,417
    edited February 2015

    Hi Bippy625, I am freezing in layers in Ohio, so I can ditch the bra no problem. We had about 10 inches snow yesterday so I ditch the bra and just wear a tee with a zip fleece but I so get the concave and the weirdos! It's hard enough to put mascara on my tiny lashes without smearing it, and the wig gets old too. The other night I had a 7 pm appointment for my heart ultrasound at the hospital. It was late and cold so went with my tee and zip fleece under my coat. Well, I had to wait and took my coat off forgetting I was very lopsided. Holy crap, I felt like everyone was staring at me. Very uncomfortable, and I was glad when I was called. But to make it worse, the tech asked me to just pull up my shirt, and I did. The look on her face was priceless when I had one boob!! Cancer sucks, but sometimes we laugh. At this point, I can throw my "boob" in the lingerie bag when I wash my panty hose. Grrr......

    Ok gotta gel my rads area, I finished #6 today, and a long way to go. Take Care!

  • yikes1
    yikes1 Member Posts: 120
    edited February 2015

    the poll:

    I think I may be onto something.

    Part of the poll needs to be: exact dates of radiation tx

    AND WHAT OTHER MEDICINES, ALL OF THEM, that WERE taken PRIOR TO RADIATION, DURING RADIATION, AND AFTER RADIATION,

    the name of the meds, the dosage of the meds, and MOST IMPORTANT THE DATES THE MEDS were/are taken.

    This includes ALL meds: antibiotics, cholesterol meds, tamoxifen, chemotherapy drugs, otc AND prescription, etc. ALL OF THEM even if they are not related to the cancer treatment.

    I have no idea how to do this, but it is important.

    I am NOT sure the answer to the question: "why not me" has anything to do with the radiation equipment!!!

    Let's continue to make a difference.

    I agree with quiggy, the moderators need to be involved.

    Hi CoyoteNV - what should we do?

  • ladyb1234
    ladyb1234 Member Posts: 1,426
    edited February 2015

    CoyoteNV, I agree with the poll. I am with you and will offer my help as you need it. (edited as I must have really been out of it based on the grammar -- big smile).


  • yikes1
    yikes1 Member Posts: 120
    edited February 2015

    hi texas94

    sorry the responses have been limited.

    i know sometimes i read something then go look at other comments, and never get back to the previous one.

    I did not have a bmx, so not sure about the bra situation for you.

    but, one thing i do know, is, what works for you you should do

    i do not see how you could wear a bra if you did have bmx, unless you have prostheses??

    I know people on this forum have used Medihoney, and reported great results.

    I just mainly used the aloe vera gel. not sure of using the medihoney and silvadene if no skin issues? but maybe you do have.

    I looked at your history of treatments, and realize you have been through a lot. way too much.

    I know that maybe on another forum someone may know more about bras and bmx.

    What else do you need help with?

    My son may be applying for a police officer job in Houston! ( i see you live in Houston).

  • yikes1
    yikes1 Member Posts: 120
    edited February 2015

    Hi texas94,

    I just reread your post. I am not sure that many of us did have bmx and then radiation, so maybe those that have bra issues have the issues for a different reason.

  • labelle
    labelle Member Posts: 721
    edited February 2015

    I am done, done, done. Actually, well done from the looks of my skin, but it is OVER! No more RADS for me..........ever.

  • Beachbum1023
    Beachbum1023 Member Posts: 1,417
    edited February 2015

    Hi all, I finished rads #6 today, and I am using Aloe gel as directed by the RO so far. I haven't had any changes yet. But I am on high alert just in case. I had modified radical mast on 12/15, and now rads. I hope I am done, but the tumor board suggested possible gamma knife surgery, or chemo. The MO wants more chemo, yuk! I do wear a bra when necessary, but as little as possible right now. I am sure that summer is going to be a challenge with swimming, the beach, and summer clothes in general. Oh this sucks. Sorry just my day today.

  • CoyoteNV
    CoyoteNV Member Posts: 575
    edited February 2015


    I have lots to go back and carefully read what I missed during the couple days that I have been away from the computer, but I do have a question about the post surgical fluid situation.  Didn't all of you have drains after surgery to avoid fluid build up?  This last time - which was essentially a lumpectomy because I had a BMX the first time - the drain was active for 30 days.  There was so much fluid and the little detail that it got infected.

    Re: bras.  As I said above, I had a BMX - with tissue expanders - the first occurrence.  There are a couple schools of thought on the bra issue.  Some - including my PS - who say that a bra is no longer necessary. There are others who feel that the reconstruction requires even more support than natural breasts.  I find that I am more comfortable with than without.  Mental? Maybe.

     

  • Beachbum1023
    Beachbum1023 Member Posts: 1,417
    edited February 2015

    CoyoteNV, thank you for your unending advice and support. I could not have my reconstruction started at the end of my mastectomy, so I may not do it all. Given my stage at this time, I feel that I want happy healthy days, and not so much recovery days to look forward to. I go no bra, but I am shopping soon since the ones I have are just annoying.

  • MagicalBean
    MagicalBean Member Posts: 362
    edited February 2015

    I had no drain for my lumpie.

    Coyote-I think the poll is a fantastic idea. I'll help any way I can.

  • mqt64
    mqt64 Member Posts: 103
    edited February 2015

    Congratulations labelle! You have earned your smiley face. Keep posting on how you are doing post rads. It gives the rest of us hope. 6 down and 24 to go. So far so good.

  • Nancy6540
    Nancy6540 Member Posts: 50
    edited February 2015

    I bought the Tumeric in Costco. It has the pepper in it. Right now it is on sale $3 off regular price. I also read that it may fight cancer, but I have been taking one each day before rads for the curcumin anti-inflammatory properties. I just finished #16 just five boosts left. I am very fair and do not tan. Right now I am just pink underarm and under breast. So maybe it's working

  • WndrWoman
    WndrWoman Member Posts: 333
    edited February 2015

    Coyote Hope you had a great time at the concert. I had no drains after my lumpectomy.

    Labelle Congrats! Happy for you. My finish has been delayed by the snow storms, but I'll be singing the same song soon.

  • quiggy
    quiggy Member Posts: 315
    edited February 2015

    Coyote, I had lumpectomy, no drains. I suffered seroma within a week. hmmm, seroma or drains? Which sucks more?

  • Nomatterwhat
    Nomatterwhat Member Posts: 587
    edited February 2015

    I had a BMX with no recon and wear prostheses to work since I deal a lot with clients and men.  The other day, I had lunch with an old friend and she did not know about my BC until I told her and the only way she would believe me was when I squeezed one of my prostheses.  I usually go flat when I go out, but lunch was a special occasion.  I do sometimes get the pity stares and yes, Bippy, I can believe the idiots that want to tell you their stories.  I have earned these battle scars and don't care what others think.  I swear some people you encounter are just brain dead!!  They just don't get what we have been through and always have known someone who has had some type of cancer.  Like I give a SH*T!!!! 

    During rads I wore a bra every day.  I had a piece of foam I pinned to my bra when I first started rads to keep the bra off the skin.  When my skin got worse I put a soft towel between me and the bra and that saved my skin.  I used a hand towel that covered the whole breast and wrapped around to my back.  I used Silvadene in the morning, at noon when I came home for lunch and before I went to bed at night, otherwise I used Aquaphor.  I had a wrap from my BMX that I used along with my towel at night to keep my skin moist.   

     

    Congrats to you Labelle, you made it through!!!!  My RO advised me to continue to take care of my skin for another two weeks after finishing and I am glad I did.  I have been done for almost 4 weeks and look almost normal and as white as usual.   

  • texas94
    texas94 Member Posts: 204
    edited February 2015

    Coyote- I've been wondering the SAME THING about the fluid buildup. I'm on day 25 with my drain from the ALND, and it's still draining quite a bit, especially now that they have me doing a lot of intense stretches for cording. I don't like having the drain, but I'd much rather have it than fluid build up. I'm surprised drains aren't standard in lumpectomies. Wouldn't a drain be better than fluid buildup?

    Also Coyote, after going through a BMX with reconstruction 7yrs ago, I honestly think NOT giving mine the support of a bra allowed gravity to help soften and settle them. They look really natural (I love the 410 implants by the way if anyone is trying to decide).

    Labelle, WndrWoman & yikes1-- THANKS for your replies. DUH... of course most of you have had lumpectomies or BMX but are not yet reconstructed. :) I understand now why bras are a big topic! My situation is a little difference, since I currently have a recurrence. I went through a lot of what all of you are going through 7 years ago. This time, I had 6 mos of chemo, then an ALND plus lumpectomy that removed a large portion of my implant sac (a super duper plastic surgeon used a biopatch to repair it, so I came out of surgery with both implants... I tell everyone I came out "rack intact" ha). Next up is rads, ovary removal and 10 years of Femara. It sounds like not needing a bra is going to be a plus during radiation. I've had very few good surprises through this, so I'll take any positives I can get!

    Coyote, please put my start date down - Feb 16. I have sim next week, along with a digital scan to ensure I had no spread of cancer during chemo (both bc I'm a recurrence AND they found 5 more positive nodes in surgery last monthk, I'll have 27 rounds plus 6 boosters to axilla, clavicular, supraclavicular, intramammary, and my entire left chest wall/breast all the way around to the back. Dosage 66 Gray. Yes, I'm getting absolutely fried, but being a recurrence, I'm ok with it no matter what it does to me. I have to be! My doctor will check my skin every week for signs of problems, but THANK YOU ALL for this thread. It's very comforting to know I have a place to ask questions once I begin this process.

    p.s. I apologize for the huge attachment in my post above. It looked really small on my phone! How RUDE. :)

  • chrissie29
    chrissie29 Member Posts: 121
    edited February 2015


    Labelle-congrats on being done.  Windgirl-I had my first rads today and was told by the nurse that swelling can be a side effect of the radiation in case I notice that.  My visit started today with the RO wanting to see me first-wasn't supposed to see her at all today so I was thinking something is bad.  I was correct.  My heart is close to my chest wall and doesn't drop into my chest but rather down so my heart is going to get radiation-5.8 Gray which is more than what is recommended. My progressive dose it going to not go as high and I am getting a hybrid treatment with 2 types of radiation systems (3D and something else) as my heart was going to get 8 Grays before the plan was tweaked.  She told me that Mayo Clinic in Rochester was involved in setting up my plan (my RO is a Mayo RO but located at my Health System).  RO still pointed out that my risk of recurrence is 11.8% in 10 years without radiation which is still a greater risk than the 5.8% of a coronary event in 20 years.  I am glad that she told me before-I tried to take a bigger breath in during rads so hoping my heart dropped more.  After I was done, the  nurse saw me and went over radiation education again and found out that I could have issues on my back if the radiation exits there so I should put lotion there as well.  She talked about if my skin would break down that they would give me a special cream and the technicians did say with the bolus that this could happen.  My bolus is putting pressure on my port which I new I was having pain but didn't realize it was landing on my port until I saw the bruise over it tonight.  Anyone else have issues with their port from the bolus?  LARock-hope you session went smoothly today.

  • yikes1
    yikes1 Member Posts: 120
    edited February 2015

    Hi chrissie29

    I was also told by the nurse to put lotion on my back because the rays could exit there.

    I asked my RO, and she advised me the rays are tangential, and DO NOT EXIT THE BODY IN THE BACK.

    If where the skin changes color is any indication, the only places there were changes were on the front of my body.

    I am letting you know this because you may have enough to deal with, without needing to put lotion on your back - and based on my experience, it may not really be necessary.

    Please check this out (if you want).

  • LARock
    LARock Member Posts: 229
    edited February 2015

    First rads today. No issues except it's a little freaky lying there and thinking about what you're subjecting your body to. I find it interesting that no one in the office has mentioned anything to me about creams or lotions. I meet with my RO tomorrow and will ask. I still have skin issues related to chemo and like what I'm using for that so I may use it for rads too.

  • bellegirl
    bellegirl Member Posts: 7
    edited February 2015

    In regards to skin issues on your back, I had been warned by the rad techs that I would encounter this, but later than the chest and breast area would be impacted.  Sure enough, my upper left back, behind the treated breast, is now very red, irritated and itchy.  My back didn't start to get red until about the end of the 3rd week of treatments, after the chest and breast areas.  It must depend on the radiation plan being used. My supraclavicular lymph nodes are receiving radiation.

    When I had my lumpectomy last Aug, no drain was used, and I did have a seroma.  I had asked the surgeon about that, and was told that they (that hospital group at least) no longer use drains for lumpectomies, as they found that there was a better long term result in the breast shape if they let the fluid be reabsorbed into the body over time (which could be up to 6 months or more).  However, I did develop a bad infection in the breast a week after surgery, which required antibiotic treatments for about 3 weeks.  It has been 5 1/2 months since the lumpectomy and most of the seroma has gone away, but I still have some hard spots in the breast.  I was told (several months later) that I should be massaging the breast to help those go away.

  • Professor50
    Professor50 Member Posts: 220
    edited February 2015

    Labelle I am soooOOOooOOOOOoooo envious!!! Congratulations! I have 9 sessions left, 2 regular and 7 boosts. I cannot wait. My family and I will be celebrating next Friday.... So far, I have been very lucky. My boob was a little sore at the end of last week but that mild soreness (and some pinkness) has been my only symptom so far (with 21/30 down). Powering through.

  • labelle
    labelle Member Posts: 721
    edited February 2015

    Like bellegirl, I have an intentional seroma that in theory will help with reshaping/holding the shape of my breast tissue. No problems with that, but it is a sort of squishy, numb spot.

    I had my radiation therapy in the prone position and the skin damage is all over my chest, including parts of my "good" breast. No sure if that, the position, contributed to the severity of my skin problems, but it was supposed to minimize damage to my heart/lung (left side lumpectomy). I am so glad I am done and will hopefully start healing. Some day (but not today) I hope to be able to wear a bra again!

  • Beachbum1023
    Beachbum1023 Member Posts: 1,417
    edited February 2015

    labelle, I hope you have a speedy recovery. I am going to rads #7 today for the right side with a mastectomy done 12/15. I worry about the possible damage to my skin and ribs and lung. Very scary, but I'll push through it. My RO wants us to use 100% Aloe gel, so far so good. I do not wear a bra, I am waiting to get new bras after rads. Since I live in Ohio, multiple layers hides my lopsided chest for now. So I hope to heal and figure out how to dress for swimming and summer clothes.

  • labelle
    labelle Member Posts: 721
    edited February 2015

    Prior to BC diagnosis and treatment, I wouldn't have even thought about leaving the house w/o a bra-at least not in the last few decades! Now I've done lots of things (shopping, going to RADS, dropping off papers at my work) sans bra. We even went out to dinner this weekend. I wore a loose sweater with a nice scarf that draped over both breasts. Creative dressing, my new style. I agree it is probably better to do RADs in the winter when layers and bulky clothes are an option.

  • texas94
    texas94 Member Posts: 204
    edited February 2015

    RO told me yesterday starting the day before my first rads he wants me to only wash and dry my entire left side from top of stomach to jaw. No lotions or creams until he says so (he'll check my skin every Monday). He says he knows by looking at my skin what it's about to do and will recommend either Aquaphor or something else he feels is necessary. Boy my skin is going to be dry in those areas! I can't remember the last time I didn't slather lotion all over me the second I step out of the shower. Anyone have thoughts about this?

    Also, I told my RO about a friend who recently finished rads and had terrible, awful burns (also at MDA). He flat out told me, "I am one of the most aggressive ROs at MDA, if not THE most aggressive, and I don't often have patients with extensive burns or wounds. We can't predict what will happen, but I know what I'm doing, and I'll get you through this."

    Um, more power to him is all I have to say. :) He'll certainly hear from me if he doesn't hold up his end of the bargain!

    I begin rads 2/16. Because my RO wants to get a detailed digital scan of the nodes up my left side before finalizing the radiation plan, he pushed my start date back a bit.

  • PoppyK
    PoppyK Member Posts: 1,805
    edited February 2015

    I'm finally done with rads! Can't do a happy dance because the skin under my arm and on my breast is black or bright red. My techs were great, my RO is, too, but I am soooo glad it's done. Concerned that the skin problems will get worse before they get better.

    It's warm here in SoCal, so there is no way to cover up when going braless. While my breasts don't sag any more, they jiggle and are so sore that I hate not wearing a bra.

  • texas94
    texas94 Member Posts: 204
    edited February 2015

    Congrats PoppyK!!

  • WndrWoman
    WndrWoman Member Posts: 333
    edited February 2015

    Hooray for you PoppyK !! I'll trade you some snow for your warm temps.

    Texas94 that is one take charge RO but he will find out who e is dealing with if he doesn't come through :-).

    Labelle I love your scarf fashioning.

    My armpit is not in the boost and peeling areas are healing well with Silvadene.

    I have a pink strip on my side that appeared later than elsewhere but I would not actually call it my back - I can just reach it to put on the cream so pretty far around.

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