Terrified of XRT

Have been scouring the web about XRT.

Because I have a chest wall recurrence (s/p bilat mastectomy for IDC 1.7cm left breast 2 yrs ago), everyone (MO's and RO's I've seen, and I've seen a lot...) says I need XRT left chest wall; several mentioned including supraclavicular fossa (SCF). Original tumor ER+PR+Her2-; oncotype 9; elected to skip tamoxifen because I was age 42 in 2012 and got 2nd/3rd/4th opinions who agreed skipping tamoxifen "not unreasonable."

Am now 45yrs old with 7mm left chest wall recurrence excised 9/2014 with left axillary node dissection (0/8 lymph nodes involved). Path showed residual cancer so surgery to excise more left chest wall done 10/2014 and path "clean." Had CT planning today: went to and left the appt in tears. Am leaning towards not including SCF. Any thoughts GREATLY appreciated. Thanks.

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  • Moderators
    Moderators Member Posts: 25,912
    edited November 2014

    Hi crabbycamper, welcome to Breastcancer.org! We're sorry you have to go through all this... but we're glad you found us, and really hope you find this place a wealth of information and great support.

    Hopefully you'll soon get responses from other members here, but in the meantime we would like to make a suggestion. If you click on Search (blue menu on the left), and you type the word "supraclavicular" for example (without the quotes) as your search term, you'll see every time the word has been mentioned in a post and can then check out the thread. You can either post there or private message if they are not currently posting on those forums.

    Hope this helps... wishing you the best!

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  • Moderators
    Moderators Member Posts: 25,912
    edited November 2014

    Bump for responses.

  • Morwenna
    Morwenna Member Posts: 1,063
    edited November 2014

    Hi there crabbycamper,

    I didn't have supraclavicular radiation, but posting to help prevent your post dropping out of sight.

    Sorry to hear of your recurrence, but that's good news that it doesn't appear to have spread! Here's a link to a discussion on this subject from last year.

    https://community.breastcancer.org/forum/70/topic/...


    A lot of these ladies are still about. If you click on their name you can see if they are still posting and maybe send a private message if you don't get much response immediately ....

    It looks like some opted out, especially if they didnt have nodes affected. I'm sure you cam have this discussion with your doctor. Of those that went ahead, I haven't read the whole thread, but most seemed to be saying they had minor or no side effects, swallowing or thyroid issues.

    I'm sure you have time to think about what you want, but it sounds like you already had quite a few opinions, and the consensus is that you need it. Speaking personally I'd be too scared to say no, but I guess you could have the scar and local area irradiated, if you hadnt already had that area treated, and leave the supraclavicular area for later, if necessary..... ?

    It's a personal decision. Good luck with what you decide!

  • SelenaWolf
    SelenaWolf Member Posts: 1,724
    edited November 2014

    I had left-sided whole breast radiation and supraclavicular radiation following a lumpectomy. My tumor was a little over 2 cms and the sentinel node was positive. I followed all of my self-care instructions from the RO and had no problems during treatment other than my skin becoming burnt (it was like a sunburn).

    I chose to do the supraclavicular radiation based on the release (in 2011-2012) of a Canadian study showing that early stage women with less than three nodes positive (prior to this study if you had less than three positive nodes you weren't offered axillary radiation in Canada) experienced a 2% increase in life expectancy after five years. Three years later, I have no lingering effects: my skin is fine, my breast is fine, and my heart- and lungs are fine. My breast looks normal and the scars have faded to near-invisible. It was much easier than chemotherapy and I don't regret my choice.

    I guess that what you need to do is figure out is what your personal risk/benefits are for supraclavicular radiation in your situation, and whether- or not it makes sense for you to go ahead given your history. This means asking a lot of questions before agreeing to anything. It may be that the answers you get can alleviate your fear and help put it in perspective.

  • Lily55
    Lily55 Member Posts: 3,534
    edited November 2014

    i had supra clavicular radiation and that was the area I had no real problem with, apart from peeling skin initially byt nothing shows there now

  • muska
    muska Member Posts: 1,195
    edited November 2014

    I had supraclavicular nodes radiated as part of my radiation treatment plan completed on May 1st, 2014. I had no problems with supraclavicular area apart from change in color that is now back to normal and nothing is noticeable - I wear blouses with open neck all the time. That was on the right side however.

    I think I would be more concerned about radiating the chest wall on the left side and would ask questions about impact to heart and whether you may benefit from prone position or any other tweak that may minimize impact to heart. I would not be concerned about the supraclavicular area unless there are some other health issues that you didn't mention. There is no long term cosmetic impact if that is your concern.

    During the radiation course, shirts with collar were my favorite; by the end of the treatment I added a scarf on top of it.

  • crabbycamper
    crabbycamper Member Posts: 20
    edited December 2014
  • crabbycamper
    crabbycamper Member Posts: 20
    edited December 2014
  • crabbycamper
    crabbycamper Member Posts: 20
    edited December 2014

    Wanted to thank each person individually who posted a response to my "Terrified of XRT" but each of my responses just went to the bottom in succession. Am new to message boards, being a very low tech person.

  • crabbycamper
    crabbycamper Member Posts: 20
    edited December 2014

    Thank you Morwenna, SelenaWolf, Lily55, and Muska for your responses. Tried to reply individually however am doing something not right because my individual responses just accumulate at the bottom. In addition to everyone (MO's and RO's) stating I need XRT a few have mentioned chemo indicated, as this is a recurrence for me. I have decided to take the plunge and do everything my main MO advised: chemo, xrt (including SCF) and hormonal blockade. My MO, a woman I will call Dr M, stated if she were me that that is what she would do, despite NCCN guidelines indicating for local recurrence XRT + hormonal blockade only. Oncotype Dx, pathology, Ki 67, grade of tumor all important but cancer is unpredictable, does not follow rules or guidelines and according to all those parameters my recurrence should not be happening. After having read each of your responses over and over and over again, talking with breast cancer survivors who are 7, 12, and 14 years out, again scouring the internet I now realize this is my last chance at cure. Morwenna, SelenaWolf, Lily 55, and Muska please pardon the "lumped response." Cannot figure out why when I hit 'reply' in each of your posts above, my posts pile at the bottom, instead of right below your replies.

  • Lily55
    Lily55 Member Posts: 3,534
    edited December 2014

    i have received your replies Crabby, glad you have found the place you are at peace with

  • muska
    muska Member Posts: 1,195
    edited December 2014

    Hi crabbycamper, I received your PMs and I think you are making the right decision.

    As for replies on this discussion board they will always be added at the very end of the topic thread, so you are doing everything correctly.

  • funthing42
    funthing42 Member Posts: 418
    edited January 2015

    Hi I 'm sorry I didn't see this sooner. I had a Lumpectomy and Rads with boost 2009 hormonal therapy . Tumor 0.6mm.

    I had it come back Dec 2013 b/l mastectomy /Herceptin and chemo

    2014 back it came back in the skin locally now facing RADS again.

    Any thoughts . It's making me crazy.

    I had a 4% chance of it coming back the first time if I did RADs.

    I'm terrified that it may make it worse. I tired of the self mutilation.

  • funthing42
    funthing42 Member Posts: 418
    edited January 2015

    Hi I 'm sorry I didn't see this sooner. I had a Lumpectomy and Rads with boost 2009 hormonal therapy . Tumor 0.6mm.

    I had it come back Dec 2013 b/l mastectomy /Herceptin and chemo

    2014 back it came back in the skin locally now facing RADS again.

    Any thoughts . It's making me crazy.

    I had a 4% chance of it coming back the first time if I did RADs.

    I'm terrified that it make it worse. I'm tired of the self mutilation.

  • Bounce
    Bounce Member Posts: 574
    edited January 2015

    Have you had any genetic tests done to see if you have a gene mutation whereby you shouldn't have radiation?

    Sorry I don't remember the exact name of the gene/test. Maybe someone else can fill in the blank.

  • funthing42
    funthing42 Member Posts: 418
    edited January 2015

    Hi thanks I had Braca gene testing but I'm neg. I really am baffled by this.

    Thanks so much. I really do not have to much help. Only what my two eyes and hears can find out.

    I have been overwhelmed just making sure I stay ahead of this. It's so like a bad episode of Twilight Zone. :)



  • crabbycamper
    crabbycamper Member Posts: 20
    edited January 2015

    Hi Funthing 42,

    First off, the rads is making me crazy, for real. I just got discharged from the psych ward where I voluntarily admitted myself, because I was seriously thinking of ending my life. But first to address your concerns about rads: after all the treatments we have undergone (me 2 surgeries, you chemo + surgery + hormonal blockade; I start tamoxifen next week) the odds are (or at least what my RO, MO, and surgeon have told me) that there is a 50% chance the cancer is gone and 50% chance there is microscopic disease that needs to be "mopped" up by the rads. I was stunned when my breast cancer came back in Sept 2014. I did not have reconstruction so when I woke up 9/3/2014 with the same hideous marble size lump at the same 1o'clock position on my left chest wall (I did not have reconstruction) I knew it was the cancer. On 9/4/2014 excisional biopsy was done and though I have no boobs, it was the same IDC. To be told I had cancer a 2nd time was annihilating. My MO and surgeon from 2012 told me at every 3 month f/u that I was surgically cured and I believed them. I truly thought the cancer was behind me. It was recommended I do tamoxifen, but in 2012 I was age 42 and in pre-menopausal women tamoxifen is thought to cause osteoporosis. I also thought having done the bilateral mastectomy was good enough. My MO from 2012 strongly advised taking tamoxifen, but I sought 2nd, 3rd, and 4th opinions from breast cancer experts (2 from UCLA who helped develop Herceptin, 1 local MO). All 3 MO's said it was not unreasonable to skip the tamoxifen, because cancer was low grade and I did the bilateral mastectomy. The thought that I could be cancer free and the rads is overkill literally makes me crazy--I can't handle it. I started rads 12/9/2013. I finished the 45Gy and started the boost 1/16/2015. However the rads burn was so severe my RO said I could take a break. I saw my MO and surgeon, both of whom thought the burn was bad but that I should complete the boost--I only have 6 treatments left. My RO said the burn I have is unusually severe for the dosage I have received, and that if I stopped now, that since I did the 45 Gy I did the minimum, that the boost is "bonus" and if the cancer came back it would not be because I didn't finish the boost. Rads causes systemic myelosuppression and is a huge stressor on the body. I developed 1) shingles 2) fecal incontinence--I'm in the shower and suddenly see poop circling the drain---I didn't even feel it come out; had to wear a diaper for a week 3) pleurisy 4) angular cheilitis 5) fatigue to the point that walking from the kitchen to my bedroom upstairs causes shortness of breath 6) the burn pain from rads is so severe I've been persistently tachycardic for the past 2 weeks--heart rate 110-120, for which I'm taking a beta blocker as needed. But the women on this site have such strength, and have expressed that rads should be thought of as killing the cancer cells, not self-mutilation----which I TOTALLY feel is what rads is doing----something destructive and violent to my body. But, let me tell you what my RO said (in fact I've seen 6 RO's and spoken to 4): the benefits of rads far outweigh risks when one has a breast cancer recurrence. This is so hard to keep in mind, when everyday all we see are the physical effects of rads, and of course the discomfort. I'm using Miaderm, aloe vera, silvadene, and 1% hydrocortisone. It's barely helping. Although I am tempted to stop now, because of what my RO said, I just feel like if I don't finish I will regret it. And I am so angry that this cancer came back. I don't blame the 2012 team of docs. I have since changed docs and am at UCI--a National Cancer Institute designated facility. I too was BRCA negative. I am going to be tested for BART gene, which if positive means I'll need oophorectomy. The odds of me having this recurrence, despite skipping tamoxifen, was minimal due to prognositc parameters. I have seen or spoken to 10 MO's, locally, at NIH, NCCN, Stanford, UCSF, UCLA, City of Hope, and the facility where I am actually being treated---UCI, which has been fantastic. The team of cancer docs at UCI are excellent and if it weren't for them I don't think I would have made it this far. My stupid impulse to off myself was a moment of despair: I just have a hard time now believing anything, because cancer follows no rules. I've also had an avalanche of medical bills which will take the rest of my life (however long or short it may be) to pay off because I have crappy insurance. The rads is indicated in the NCCN guidelines for women who have breast cancer recurrence. Apologies in advance for any negativity or downers my response may have caused you. I did not mean to bring you down, but to tell you I know EXACTLY how you feel, that you WILL be ok and have got to stay positive--think that the rads is killing the cancer, not mutilating you. STAY STRONG!

  • crabbycamper
    crabbycamper Member Posts: 20
    edited January 2015

    Hi Bounce,

    Don't know if your gene question was directed at Funthing42 or me (probably Funthing 42) but just in case, I was BRCA negative and am being referred for another genetic test: BART. May I ask: did you have a boost? How is the tamoxifen? I start tamoxifen next week and am freaked about that.

    On an unrelated note, wanted to clarify my history but this site doesn't have much options so here goes: 9/4/2014 excisional biopsy left chest wall mass; 9/25/2014 left chest wall excision with left axillary node dissection; 10/23/2014 left chest wall excision.

  • funthing42
    funthing42 Member Posts: 418
    edited January 2015

    Bounce ,

    Hi I started with Tamoxifen but I couldn't metabolize it. So changed to Lupron and Arimadex.

    BART Teat. Great ! I'm glad you mentioned this.:)

    Thank you for your post in Regards to genetic testing.

    Hi Crabby camper. Thanks for sharing . You are definitely strong !

    And thank you for scaring the crap out of me hopefully not literally .

    I'm sorry you've had such a rough time. Hopefully one day we can put this behind us.

    I will let you know how it goes with Rads :)



  • crabbycamper
    crabbycamper Member Posts: 20
    edited January 2015

    Hi Funthing42,

    I did not mean to scare you, and I apologize if anything I wrote increased your fears. Are you getting rads to the same area as you did in 2009? I'm scheduled to start tamoxifen 2/3/2015. I'm also scheduled for EGD 2/3/2015 because I have H pylori hemorrhagic gastritis. If I may ask: what, if any, are the side effects you are experiencing from the Aromasin? How was it discovered, that you can't metabolize tamoxifen? My boost and therefore rads will be finished 2/2/2015. BIG HUG--Crabbycamper (I know it should be Happycamper, to stay positive, but honestly the last time I was a happy camper was, um, say--college;)) <--that's supposed to be a wink in there.

  • funthing42
    funthing42 Member Posts: 418
    edited January 2015

    Oh my no worries. I was just worried for you and wondered how you stay so strong :)

    I had a blood test for the Tamoxifen issue.

    I to was treated for the H pylori stomach issue years ago. Funny you should mention this I was reading to see if there were links to certain diseases and breast cancer.

    I will try to find the info I found. It was just interesting and worth a thought.

    I really wish I could find out why it keeps recurring. I'm tired of treating it. I'm a why this why that kinda person. Why why why :)

    I never take much to heart vent all you want. I would but haven't perfected it yet but very close Lol.

    Side effects pain in joints and headaches .

    I go for the Rad Sim this week.

    Hugs back at you . When you finish Rads you will definitely need a celebration ! ;) Just like a frat party or something . :)

  • funthing42
    funthing42 Member Posts: 418
    edited February 2015

    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC147956...

    Here is the link. it really doesn't state there is a connection . I'm just reading between the lines.

    My grandmother had stomach CA .

    Anyways. I figured I'd share.

  • funthing42
    funthing42 Member Posts: 418
    edited January 2015

    Stomach cancer risk factors

    GENERAL

    Age: Stomach cancer is found most often in people over age 55.Gender: The disease affects men twice as often as women.Race: Stomach cancer is more common in African Americans than in Caucasians.Region: This type of cancer is more common in some parts of the world, such as Japan, Korea, parts of Eastern Europe and Latin America. People in these areas eat many foods that are preserved by drying, smoking, salting or pickling.

    BODY

    Obesity: Obesity has been linked to an increased risk of stomach cancer

    GENETICS

    Certain gene mutations and some inherited conditions are considered stomach cancer risk factors. They include:

    BRCA1 & BRCA2: Inherited mutations on the BRCA1 and BRCA2 genes are often associated with higher risks for breast cancer. Individuals who have inherited these genetic mutations are also at an increased risk for stomach cancerE-cadherin/CDH1: Though rare, people who inherit this genetic mutation have a 70 to 80 percent chance of developing stomach cancer in their lifetime. Also, women with this genetic defect have an increased risk of breast cancer.Lynch syndrome: This condition may also be referred to as hereditary non-polyposis colorectal cancer (HNPCC), a genetic condition that runs in families. More commonly, this condition is associated with an increased risk for colon cancer. HNPCC also predisposes people to stomach cancers.Familial adenomatous polyposis (FAP): This syndrome causes polyps in the colon, stomach and intestines. Often caused by mutations of the gene APC, this syndrome greatly increases a person's risk of colorectal cancer and may play a small role in increasing a person's stomach cancer risk.

    OTHER CONDITIONS

    H. pylori infection: Doctors have found that a long-term H. pylori infection may lead to inflammation and pre-cancerous changes to the stomach lining. In fact, stomach cancer patients typically have a higher incidence of H. pylori infections than people who do not have stomach cancer.Pernicious anemia: Some people with pernicious anemia may have gastric polyps, which can increase the risk of stomach cancer.Epstein-Barr virus infection: According to the American Cancer Society, Epstein-Barr virus is found in the cancer cells of about 5% to 10% of people with stomach cancer.

    OOOPS forgot to put source info for the above. Cancer treatment centers of america website.

  • crabbycamper
    crabbycamper Member Posts: 20
    edited January 2015

    WOW! THANK YOU for the wealth of info and links!!! I think you are on to something, that there is a connection with H pylori and breast cancer. I'm Korean. My blood test for H pylori IgG has been positive since 2002, but I developed symptoms of dyspepsia and heartburn 2013. My BMI is 18. When I got breast cancer the first time my BMI was 16, I was a strict organic vegan, and physically fit. I thought look what being "healthy" got me---breast cancer. So I swung the other way and became a junk food omnivore (all my faves like carbs, burgers, dairy). I do wonder if being vegan and therefore heavy soy diet contributed to my breast cancer. My mother had post menopausal breast cancer at age 60 after having taken exogenous estrogen for 20 years (she'd had hysterectomy and oophorectomy done at age 39 for what was thought to be a tumor but turned out to be a grapefruit sized fibroid). And thank you for saying I'm strong. I'm not. And I'm not saying this because I just got discharged from the looney bin. I contracted multi-drug resistant tuberculosis (MDR-TB) in 1996 from doing internship at NYU/Bellevue. That cost me 2 years of my life, sitting at home, having a public health RN come daily (DOT) to watch me take my meds. I was a full time patient from 1996-1998: home health RN coming MWF to administer amikacin IV, going for drug peak and trough levels, audiograms because amikacin can cause hearing loss, submitting weekly sputum samples, chest xrays, and of course the doctor visits. I was in my late 20's at the time, sorta young and stupid and just did what I was told. I kinda thought the MDR-TB was my one big "ding" in life and thereafter I'd be home free. I was so wrong. The breast cancer in 2012, the H pylori for which I've had 2 treatment failures (Serum Sickness Like Reaction, aka SSLR) to lansoprazole, the cancer recurrence in 2014 and now all the complications from the XRT, the shingles being the most painful, well, I can tell you right now I am hanging on by a thread, a shredded thread at that. I've got raging insomnia, anxiety, and above all profound fatigue which continues to escalate daily. Everyone tells me take it one day at a time. For me, it's minute to minute. But I learned a lot during my stay at the psych ward. Even though I'm physically weak and mentally/emotionally decimated, there is this teensy will inside me now to live, to fight and even if I lose the fight at least I gave it my best try. Although I have not had a million diseases, the few I've had have been real doozies. One of my docs mentioned there is only so many "hits" one can take before one reaches a breaking point. I am so beyond that. Can't even find a word to express it. Alrighty, I hope I have not brought you down but again, just wanted to share my story in relation to the interesting and highly likely connection between chronic infection (e.g. H pylori) and cancer. I would just like someone to tell me when the stoolfest ends (not life) but the parade of illnesses, side effects, toxicities, and sheer crap that has come my way. Celebratory dinner planned 2/2/2015, but it may be my last supper because I'm having EGD 2/3/2015 and starting tamoxifen. I'm extremely sensitive to medications. Are you having rads to the same area? Did they tell you the dosage? For example, I got 45Gy to my left chest wall, and am now undergoing boost--14Gy--to be done in 7 days. STAY STRONG!!!! We are not going to allow some microscopic bacteria invisible to the naked eye, ditto for cancer cell, to defeat us. We are going to fight back and expel them from our bodies. No free rides H pylori/cancer!!!!!!!! Hugs---Crabbycamper

  • Bounce
    Bounce Member Posts: 574
    edited January 2015

    Hi Crabbycamper AND funthing42.

    Apologies for not realizing that you were already doing rads when I jumped in.

    I was referring to the ATM gene mutation which I know nothing about but heard about elsewhere on these threads.

    I am doing alright on Tamoxifen. I have asked for the blood test to test if I am a good metabolizer or not but it is not available in my area.

    I think a huge amount of how well I am doing on Tamoxifen depends on my mental attitude.

    Over the past year of taking Tamoxifen I have come to understand that there isn't a better alternative for me at the moment and I don't want to stop taking it - so I am not going to stress out or become upset at everything I see as "because of Tamoxifen".

    I am trying to maintain a healthy eating pattern, moderate exercise, express my feelings, and do things I enjoy.

    Best wishes to you both.

  • funthing42
    funthing42 Member Posts: 418
    edited January 2015

    Hi,

    Mental attitude has nothing to do with medication unless you receive a placebo.

    Yes a good attitude helps. Mine has been upbeat. Just worry too much.

    That is so hard to believe that in this day and age , you know with mail instead of horses, that everything should be available to all. Ugh! I will get the details for you.

    Happy camper this is your new name. I'm sorry that you had to experience all of that crap. When your young it's hard to see the big picture and when older not take so much of the big picture in.

    Good luck ! Stay positive but not too positive .

    As far as Tamoxifen and all other hormone therapy it is one more tool for our Dr's to keep us safe.


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