Family history, Negative Genetic test

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fatimaR
fatimaR Member Posts: 16
edited January 2015 in High Risk for Breast Cancer

hello ladies, i was wondering how many of you are in the same boat. We have extensive family history of different cancers:

Maternal grandma ovarian ca at 50

Maternal aunt uterine sarcoma at 40

Maternal second cousin breast at 46

Maternal second cousin breast at 52

Maternal second uncle prostate at 78

BRCA1 and 2 testing was done and was NEGATIVE, one of the cousins had  the full breast cancer gene panel and also Negative. Anyone had full breast cancer gene panel and turned out negative despite family history ??

Fatima

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  • sarahjane7374
    sarahjane7374 Member Posts: 669
    edited August 2014

    Fatima - My sister was dx at age 28 and because of her young age had BRCA testing with BART done which came back negative.  She also tested negative for P53 mutation.  Those were the only genetic tests that were recommended for her.  Our mother is adopted, and our father has no female biological siblings, so our family history knowledge is pretty limited.   Have you gone to genetic counseling?  Its possible, due to your family history of various cancers, that there is another test that would be recommended for you.

  • JohnSmith
    JohnSmith Member Posts: 651
    edited August 2014

    My wife is a childhood survivor of cancer. 30 years later, at age 45, she was diagnosed with Stage 2A ILC.
    Lots of genetic tests were done (ATM, BRCA1, BRCA2, BRIP1, CDH1, CHEK2, EPCAM, MLH1, MSH2, NBN, PALB2, PMS2, PTEN, RAD51C, SLX4, STK11, TP53). Results were all Negative.

    Her family history for cancer:
    1. Paternal Grandfather: Died ~69 Pancreatic cancer
    2. Paternal Grandmother: Died ~66; Mets. either Esophageal or Ovarian cancer [Inconclusive origin]
    3. Maternal Grandmother: Age ~early 80s had Breast cancer (unclear what type, Lumpectomy performed),
    Died in 2012 at age 93 of natural causes
    4. Paternal Grandmother Sibling 1: Age ~31 Had Uterine cancer, Died ~46 of Lung cancer [Heavy smoker though]
    5. Paternal Grandmother Sibling 2: Died ~86; Mets. Pancreatic & Liver cancer. [Inconclusive origin]
    6. Misc - Uncle & numerous cousins have had the following:
    - Second cousin 1: Breast cancer (Died in 2013 at age 64; Dx in 2000 with IDC at age ~51, told it was aggressive & possibly triple negative. No one remembers specifics)
    - Second cousin 2: Leukemia; Just Dx in 2014, age 63, Still alive.
    - Second Uncle 1: Rectal cancer; Dx ~12 years ago. Still alive.
    - Third cousin 1: Brain cancer at age ~23 (15 years ago). Still alive.

  • Janett2014
    Janett2014 Member Posts: 3,833
    edited August 2014

    My signature explains my situation. All of the relatives mentioned are living. The youngest age at diagnosis was 38, and the oldest was 64.

  • exbrnxgrl
    exbrnxgrl Member Posts: 12,424
    edited August 2014

    Fatima,

    Going to a genetic counselor is a good idea. The thing you must remember is that BRACA 1&2 genes account for a very small percentage of breast cancer cases ,10-15%,  despite family history. This doesn't mean there aren't other genes which may be related to bc but they have yet to be discovered.

    Caryn

  • ncollett
    ncollett Member Posts: 862
    edited August 2014

    My maternal grandmother had Breast Cancer and then Ovarian Cancer

    Maternal Aunt Skin Cancer

    Maternal Grandfather Prostrate Cancer

    My Father had Small Bowel Cancer

    Paternal Uncle Lung Cancer with Mets to Brain

    Paternal Aunt Cervical and Ovarian Cancer with Mets to Lung and Liver

    Paternal Grandmother Skin Cancer

    Nephew with Bone Cancer in his jaw

    Daughter with Skin Cancer

    Had my genetic testing which BRCA 1 and 2 both negative however they are also testing me for 26 other cancer causing genes due to family history. Genetics says that there is defiantly a pattern. Just waiting for other results. Even though my Oncotype test was low they may do chemo on me due to family hx of so much cancer.

  • fatimaR
    fatimaR Member Posts: 16
    edited August 2014

    thank for your response. Believe it or not we have no genetic councilors were we live in the middle east, and they don't believe in genetic testing we arranged to get it through a partner lab here that deals with myriad in US. I arranged for the whole thing after much struggle. I come for a big family as well and there are many others cancer free. My mom is being vigilant with her check ups and being proactive as much as possible.

  • fatimaR
    fatimaR Member Posts: 16
    edited August 2014

    Sorry about the cancer cases in your family. Were the cousins diagnosed with cancer on your mom's side or father's side ?

  • Soccermom4force
    Soccermom4force Member Posts: 631
    edited August 2014

    fatima,

    The link I'm providing is to a highly reputable company here in the U.S. That does genetic counseling via telephone specifically for situations like yours.  http://www.informeddna.com

    I hope this is helpful,

    Warmly, Marcia

  • PoppyK
    PoppyK Member Posts: 1,805
    edited August 2014

    Hi Fatima,

    I second everything that Caryn wrote above. Marcia's resource sounds wonderful.

    From reading the comments from others,it is clear you are not alone.

    Did you receive the written information Myriad provides to their clients? I just looked at my information and they offer support through a website (www.MySupport360.com). You can also contact their Medical Services team at 1-800-469-7423.

    I hope you receive the information and support you are searching for.

    Poppy

  • Papillon1
    Papillon1 Member Posts: 308
    edited August 2014

    my mum has bc, first at age 52. Her mum was age 56. Both terminal. My paternal aunt too. Later cases of other cancers in my family too.

    I saw a genetic counsellor who said I was not likely to have the BRCA mutations so they didn't test me. I didn't push for it either as they said BRCA mutations are only responsible for 5% of breast cancers. 20% of breast cancers are due to "familial " tendancies. They are not entirely sure what causes these. They could be genetically linked, due to genes we can't test for yet or due to a combination of various genes or mutations. Or it could be due to environmental factors, or factors such as diet, other medical or biological conditions or any combination of the above. So impossible to understand or test at the moment.  They said I was in his 20% group. Moderate risk. I was advised to limit alcohol to one or two glasses a day, eat more fruit and vege, excercise more, have yearly mammograms and ultrasounds.  The genetic oncologists confirmed that this might help, but they can't be sure. Basically they just don't know. They gave me odds of 1 in 4 of getting breastcancer.

    For me this isn't enough. Watching my mum die from this is horrendous. All women in my family who got bc have died or will die. So I am opting for a prohylactic mastectomy. For some this will seem drastic, for me not. Not having the BRCA mutation isn't any reassurance for me. There are so many cases that they just don't understand. For my family modern medicine hasn't been able to stop the cancer killing women before they reach old age. I won't settle for this and am taking my life and my choices into my own hands. 

    I once read something and it made me think, it's something I can't get past - why keep something I don't need, that just might kill me? Luckily I am married to a very wonderful supportive man, I have three beautiful little children and my breasts have served me well. But I will quit with them while I am ahead. I plan surgery next year and am having consultations with a couple of surgeons right now.

  • MomtoIrishQuads
    MomtoIrishQuads Member Posts: 128
    edited August 2014

    Fatima,

    Every female on BOTH sides of my family either suffered or died from breast cancer - both grandmothers, aunts, mother (had it twice), etc.  I was adopted at birth so this was shocking to find out all this info. in a week when I was 36.  I became an advocate for open records for adult adoptees and went on a media blitz including being on MSNBC with Soledad O'Brien.  So......I got tested right away with the early Myriad BRCA1/2.  Negative.  Whew!

    Then - 14 years later got DCIS - around the same time my birthfather had prostate cancer and tested positive for BRCA2.  I was re-tested (because my oncologist couldn't believe with my family history that I was negative).  Negative again.

    Then 3 years later (this past year) I was diagnosed with Stage 1 ILC (thanks to an MRI that I insisted on), and this time did the Ambry expanded genetic panel.  Negative again!

    Here's my take on it:  mine is estrogen fed.  I think that everyone has a genetic pre-disposition to how our bodies process estrogen - along with environmental factors.  Both of my birthparents were overweight and sedentary which from what I read is a big factor.  I have become overweight and sedentary which I think has contributed to my cancer.  I think that we can have the genetic predisposition to other things that then cause the cancer - so an indirect link. 

  • OCGoofTroop13
    OCGoofTroop13 Member Posts: 1
    edited October 2014

    I am starting to get concerned about my breast cancer risk.  I am currently 30 and have only found a couple "cysts" that came and went over the years on my left breast. I am becoming worried about my level of risk since my paternal grandmother died of BC nearly 2 years ago.  I am debating on getting tested genetically but I don't think I have enough close relatives to warrant such a test/cost.  

      My Paternal Grandmother was diagnosed at 48 with breast cancer and died at 50.  

      My Paternal great Aunt (grandmas sister) was diagnosed with breast cancer at 60 and is a survivor.  

      My Maternal Grandmother was diagnosed with breast cancer at age 71 and died after a reoccurrence at 74.  

       There are very distant cousins (some still alive) and a great great Aunt that died of breast cancer at age 48 as well.  All from the paternal side.  

      The only other case of cancer in the family was with my Maternal Uncle who had Melanoma and survived.   

    One of my Paternal Aunts had the voluntary mastectomy of both breast a few years ago and she's been fine since.  

  • Moderators
    Moderators Member Posts: 25,912
    edited October 2014

    Welcome OCGooftroop, We hear your concern and glad that you reached out. While you are waiting for others to respond you may want to check out the following link to information on genetic testing on our site.Genetic Testing:Pros and Cons Keep us posted. 

    The Mods

  • PoppyK
    PoppyK Member Posts: 1,805
    edited October 2014

    OC,

    When I met with my SO, she was most concerned with premenopausal diagnosis of BC. Another factor considered is ethnic heritage.

    Myriad is the company that did my test. Here is a link for them if you are interested.

    https://ms360.myriad.com/

    Poppy

  • MelissaDallas
    MelissaDallas Member Posts: 7,268
    edited October 2014

    OCGoof, the ages of your relations diagnosed makes it far less likely that you have a genetic mutation, and less than 10% of breast cancer is inherited (as far as we know now). 

    Cysts aren't a risk.

    If you are concerned, make an appointment with a counselor to assess your risk.

  • Sacnaillady
    Sacnaillady Member Posts: 59
    edited October 2014

    I,ve had BC (14 year survivor), My sister had BC(13 year survivor), My Mother had BC2x's (22year and 2 year survivor), my Aunt (moms sister) had BC(23 year survivor). All of us have survived. I've been test 2x's, once in 2001 and again in 2011, negative both times. My sister was tested in 2002, negative. Go figure. we entered a test study to see if there is another mutation. It probably won't benefit us but future generations.

  • Far
    Far Member Posts: 5
    edited October 2014

    hi all, I had a lumpectomy during nov 2013, it was not a cancer but hight risk tissue.... I went for gen. Consulting and based on family and personal history my risk was 65% it would change the percabtage a bit if I knew whether I am BRCA+ or not but when i talked to my surgeon she was agree that mast with reconstruction is a reasonable option...i had my mast and diep 2 weeks ago and now I feel safe

  • Papillon1
    Papillon1 Member Posts: 308
    edited December 2014

    Melissadallas, you say less than ten percent is inherited. But that's only kind of true...

    I was told 5% is fully genetic. But a further 20 percent are due to family traits. So they may also be due to somegenetic factors there. It's just all a bit vague.


    Far, I am glad you feel safe. That's the peace of mind I am looking for. So far I have met and liked a surgeon and a plastic surgeon. We are all ready to go ahead when I give the nod. Maybe next year.


    Happy new year ladies. Let's hope 2015 bring us some happiness.

  • Tchevy
    Tchevy Member Posts: 1
    edited January 2015

    Hi Papillion1!

    Your post sounds like it was written by me...to a T-it's almost eerie. I have 3 kids too and see no point in risking my life just to keep these body parts. I just want u to know that I was considered a moderate risk as well, everything health wise suggested to u was suggested to me. My sister is 39 yrs old, her2+ with mets to her lungs. We have no other female cancers in our family and she does not have the BRCA gene. It took me 1.5 yrs to decide but 2 wks ago I finally had my prophylactic bilateral mastectomy with reconstruction and I don't regret it one bit.

    Lemme know if u need to chat

  • Papillon1
    Papillon1 Member Posts: 308
    edited January 2015

    oh hi!! How's recovery going? Is it very painful?

    Oh well done on making your decision.

    I am ready to go when the time is right - I can't while my mum is so unwell and I may need to travel to see her at any time. Also, I don't want her worrying.

    It's been almost 2 yrs since I first thought of this as a "solution" and I haven't changed my mind, despite talking with various genetic counsellors, surgeons and doctors. So I am assuming I am of sane mind and have made my decision carefully :) I am so ready for people to suggest I was rushing into it.....


    Oh wow it's great to find someone in such a similar boat. I hope you are feeling ok.

  • KimDave
    KimDave Member Posts: 6
    edited January 2015

    Going for my regular six month check up on Tuesday.  I have been going for three years now every six months.

    I am 47 now and will be 48 this month

    history...two sisters have had BC (both living) one at 49 one at 59, oldest sister deceased from multiple myeloma at age 59, daughter of oldest sister (my niece) diagnosed at 46 with BC(survived).  Mom's side - Mom had colon cancer (deceased now), her sister had breast and colon cancer (living), her mother had ovarian and cervical (deceased), my grandmother's three sisters all had Breast cancer all deceased.  Dad's side - he had prostate cancer (deceased), his brother had prostate (deceased), another brother had colon also deceased, his sister had breast cancer (living), his mother had breast cancer (deceased).  That is it in a nutshell. 

    one sister and niece have both had genetic testing and both negative, although the genetic counsellor (mine) says she thinks there is still something going on with family. 

    I go every six months for a clinical breast exam and then once a year they do a mammo.  No MRI as here it is not done unless risk factor is higher than what mine is by 1%, so close but no cigar.  

     

  • Moderators
    Moderators Member Posts: 25,912
    edited January 2015

    It is very confusing as each case is different and risk factors are only rough guides. The complexities of testing can be overwhelming.

    Read here for steps you can take to feel more in control of the process:

    Test Results and Medical Records, including what to do when you get your results, and how to keep track of your records.

    Getting your test results

    Screening and Testing

    Managing Breast Cancer Fears, with tips on keeping your fears at bay.

    We wish you all the best.

    The Mods

  • windgirl
    windgirl Member Posts: 340
    edited January 2015

    Hi,


    I have three aunts from my moms side with breast cancer, one of them TN, and my mom had a prof. Bmx when she was around 50 due to the extremely dense breasts and family history.

    I'm 37 and was diagnosed with IDC this summer. I was certain mine was because of the gene, but the full panel came negative. Honestly I was shocked, thrilled but shocked :)

    I think mine is still genetic, they just have not found what to look for yet. Still I got a lumpectomy, it was the easier choice.

  • lkc
    lkc Member Posts: 1,203
    edited January 2015

    Hi Ladies If I could just add my thoughts.

    All my maternal family members have died of BC. I am the first to be dxed in my generation and BRCA neg.

    We need to acknowledge that that BRCA 1 and 2 are the ONLY genetic mutations identified currently. We all have thousands of genes, and since it's genetic studies are fairly recent, only a minimal amt of genetic abnormalities have been id'ed. So if you have a strong family hx and you're BRCA neg that does not mean you do not have a genetic component. We just haven't found more BC mutations.

    I know in my heart I carry an unfound mutation which many docs I've spoken to agree.

    The really great thing is that a great majority of clinical trials are including optional genetic studies which will help us all in locating more mutations for future targeted treatments.

    Hopefully sooner then later!




  • Papillon1
    Papillon1 Member Posts: 308
    edited January 2015

    kimdave - your comment close but no cigar made me smile. It is all down to stats and wether we fall in or outside of someone else's cut off point about whatever....we are all individuals and can make our own choices. I don't want to be a statistic, I am me, a mum, a person. Hence me wanting to take control of me.


    Lkc you are so right.you hit that nail right on that head. I know in my heart my mum and her mum had the same mutation too. Whatever it may be. The similarities are too clear. And I may do too.


    If we don't look out for ourselves who will.

    Oh I have gone all girl power! X

  • lkc
    lkc Member Posts: 1,203
    edited January 2015

    Thanks Papillon. I so understand your situation. I was dxed 18 mos, after my mom died of Met BC.

    I definitely support your decision to have prophylactive mastectomies. My dx locally advanced BC was a stage IIIC ,and I was super diligent and worked in Oncology for years! After my mast for my affected breast I demanded a prophylactive Mast on the good side.

    It was met with great resistance. However once the path report on the "good breast" came the finding were extensive atypia and hyperplasia.

    My doc's remarked " you were right"

    There is so much we don't know about BC still. So always go with your gut.

  • Carolinerene
    Carolinerene Member Posts: 7
    edited June 2016

    Tchevy,

    Thanks for posting. I am awaiting this surgery and your post gives me courage! I too have 3 kids and keeping body parts that may eventually kill us is not worth it.

    I hope your recovery is going very well. My best to you!

  • KimDave
    KimDave Member Posts: 6
    edited January 2015


    Papillon1 - I agree completely - be your own advocate. 

    I just got the call from my appointment on Tuesday - gotta go back they found cluster of calcifications this time.  Was expecting the all clear again but I also have great support in my partner so I feel good about that and my two sisters who have gone through it.  I also know if could be and likely is benign. 

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