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  • Lulubelle1
    Lulubelle1 Member Posts: 9
    edited December 2014

    I am not looking forward to the mammogram after the lumpectomy. My breast is still tender.

  • MagicalBean
    MagicalBean Member Posts: 362
    edited December 2014

    Yea Pita. Nice feeling to be finished. You'll heal quickly, now that you're done.

  • Cath57
    Cath57 Member Posts: 47
    edited December 2014

    Lulubelle1 , hmmmmm, well there's a new question to ask my RO. I've never heard of a mammo done before rads. I was supposed to start today but felt that I needed some more questions answered so will be meeting with my RO tomorrow.

  • LMVerna
    LMVerna Member Posts: 19
    edited December 2014

    I did it! I am done with radiation. I cried today when I got to ring the bell-partly happy tears and partly tears because I have been feeling so lousy lately. One step closer to being done but it still seems so far away--still on Herceptin until end of August, will start on my AI drug soon, and still need to finish with reconstructive surgeries. But I think the worst parts of it are over.

    Past week has been really tough with a lot of skin irritation/blisters/peeling and quite a bit of pain. Also some fatigue. RO said she expected the skin issues since we were targeting my chest wall area and also since my skin is fair. I have been taking ibuprofen all during the day and percocet at night so that I can sleep. Also applying lotion several times a day. I felt like I have been being overdramatic with how I feel but even the techs today told me that my skin issues are very bad and that I have been a trooper through it all. Don't know if they were just being nice but it did help me feel a little better. Can't wait until it starts feeling better. How long did it take other people's skin to clear up after you were done with treatments?


  • Nomatterwhat
    Nomatterwhat Member Posts: 587
    edited December 2014

    Congrats to you Pita119 and to you LMVerna. 

    My RO and I had a talk today and since I do #28 tomorrow (YAY), he wants to wait and start the boost on Monday, so I should be done on January 9th (YAY). He wants to give my skin a break since it has already blistered and is peeling under the arm and at the bottom of the breast (what is left of it).  Now I have what looks like a football drawn on my chest and clear dots to protect certain points.  It was a good thing I had my wrap with my padding from the BMX covering the "fire" area today.  Better to ruin my padding with blue sharpie than my good work clothes. 

  • WndrWoman
    WndrWoman Member Posts: 333
    edited December 2014

    Welcome Lulubelle1. I had a CT scan as part of set-up, but not a mammogram.

  • WndrWoman
    WndrWoman Member Posts: 333
    edited December 2014

    Congrats Pita and LMVerna! Hope you heal quickly.

  • CAS4
    CAS4 Member Posts: 54
    edited December 2014

    congratulations to all you incredible woman that have finished treatments! I got pulled away for two weeks and missed this and YALL so much! I completed dec 22 and was blessed with a posse of friends and loved ones there to support ye ole bell ringing. Today met with chemo onc. About Tamoxifen and she's changed the plan by adding a med that's injected monthly and pushes me into full blown menopause and has possibly horrific side effects. Gonna research before agreeing- it's brand new cutting edge stuff- my other oncologists had never heard of it....I hope you all had marvelous holidays

  • Sjacobs146
    Sjacobs146 Member Posts: 770
    edited December 2014

    CAS4, I'm interested to hear about the cutting edge stuff. Let us know what you find out. Congrats on finishing rads

  • Pita119
    Pita119 Member Posts: 85
    edited December 2014

    To all you ladies who have finished rads...what instructions were you given regarding care after treatment? I was told to continue using the aquafore for the next week & then to start using a lotion that had cocoa butter in it and to massage the breast 2 times daily for 4-6 weeks. It's supposed to help with the breakdown of scar tissue & with the elimination of any fluid that may have accumalated during treatment.

  • windgirl
    windgirl Member Posts: 340
    edited December 2014

    Sjakobs,

    What cas4's Onc is doing is based on the results of the SOFT trial that came out last month. Basically they are putting premenopausal women in chemicalmenopause with ovarian suppression (such as with good old lupron injections) and giving them the hormone pill post menapausal women take. It's really not cutting edge unfortunately. You can read about it here

    http://www.onclive.com/conference-coverage/SABCS-2014/Ovarian-Suppression-Emerges-as-Practice-Changing-Option-for-Younger-Premenopausal-Breast-Cancer-Patients

  • Birdgirl11
    Birdgirl11 Member Posts: 51
    edited December 2014

    Congratulations to all who have finished rads! What a great accomplishment - you made it! I only have 4 more to go. Sadly, my clinic doesn't have a bell or a bell ringing ceremony, so you just kind of walk out your last time and say goodbye. Very anti-climactic I think. I'm thinking I should buy a bell for them and for all the people who will finish after me. I want to ring a bell, dang it!

    It sounds like it depends on your surgeon whether or not they order a mammogram for you before rads or not. I did not have one, but my sister in law did. My surgeon did tell me to expect "suspicious results" after the first one since it will look completely different that the ones before surgery.

    I did meet with my RO yesterday for the weekly check up and the nurse said to expect side effects to continue on for a week after my treatment is done. After that, things should get better. That's not what I was hoping to hear. I had taken my last week off from work, hoping to recover. Now I'm thinking I may want another week as well.

    H

  • Jlynn13
    Jlynn13 Member Posts: 21
    edited December 2014

    does anyone have to use a bolus during treatment. I thought I read someone is using it but can't remember who

  • CoyoteNV
    CoyoteNV Member Posts: 575
    edited December 2014

    Jlynn - the bolus was a definite discussion in the Fall Rads 2014 topic.  I'm not sure that is has come up here.  I read both so I get confused sometimes.

  • SCMom
    SCMom Member Posts: 112
    edited December 2014

    Hi Jlynn - I had to google bolus, I'd never heard the actual name. I have to use one. It's amber colored, maybe 1/4" thick and covers my radiated area. The technicians tape it down all the way around to form a seal. At the beginning it was used during every treatment. After about my 10th treatment my RO said that I was getting "too much?!" radiation so now it's used every other treatment.

    I get jealous reading of y'all that have such quick treatments. Mine is Tomo-therapy...the table slides me into the machine for about five minutes for a scan, then out for a few minuteswhile it calibrates or whatever it does, then back into the machine for about ten minutes of treatment. Both arms fall asleep every time! Today was number 15 out of 28, so far so good!

  • mmtagirl
    mmtagirl Member Posts: 509
    edited December 2014

    hi all, it has been awhile but thought I would check in. Finished rads Dec 11. When I finished I was fatigued and quite red with some peeling. The fatigue is much better and the redness is gone. I do have some dry flaking that is similar to tanned skin peeling. I am slightly bronzed on the radiated side. No pain but some slight swelling. I was told to continue using the lotion they gave me or whatever I wanted as long as I used something. Oh, I also had a rather large keratosis (sp) mole like thing on my upper mound that has now fallen off since rads. One good thing, I guess.

    I did have a bolus every other time. Mine was like a wet wash cloth but I have seen other pictures where women have something that resembles a plastic cast. The bolus is to trick the radiation filed to get closer to the skin. I also had to hold my breath because my Cancer was on the left side. I wore goggles that showed the computer screen used by the techs and I would hold my breath within a certain zone during radiation. It was easier than I expected it to be.

    Looking forward to nutting all this behind me in 2015 and focus on strength and reconstruction.

    Good luck and happy new year to all of you.

  • CoyoteNV
    CoyoteNV Member Posts: 575
    edited December 2014

    SCMom - My clinic uses TomoTherapy also.  I was really pleased with the process, which was about the same as yours. The timing was a bit different, but not much.  I found that I did not have much skin irritation at all, just an itch on my collarbone and some soreness in my armpit in the last couple days. Both of those have lingered on for a couple weeks.  It will be interesting to hear how it ends up for you. I hope as good as it was for me.  My arms didn't fall asleep, but I did.  I took a short nap almost every day. The techs covered me with a warm blanket, and I was out for the count. 

  • Jlynn13
    Jlynn13 Member Posts: 21
    edited December 2014

    thanks CoyoteNV and SCMom



  • Jlynn13
    Jlynn13 Member Posts: 21
    edited December 2014

    mmtagirl congrats on being done. Mine is like a wet washcloth also.

  • Nomatterwhat
    Nomatterwhat Member Posts: 587
    edited December 2014

    I had "Mr Bolus" every other day. Mine had gel inside of a plastic flexible casing.  I start my boosts on the 5th and finish on the 9th.  I can hardly wait!!!!!  I will have to admit, that as much as I hated the every day regimen it went fast and was much easier than chemo.  For me I didn't have the time to think about the every day radiation, but had plenty of time to think about going to chemo every three weeks. 

  • meanmomto3
    meanmomto3 Member Posts: 31
    edited December 2014

    Hello Winter Rads friends,

    I'm sorry to have dropped off the radar for a couple of weeks. I went to visit my retina specialist to discuss upcoming Tamoxifen treatment (it can cause retina problems). During the visit, he decided my eye disease previously thought to be a slow-progressing, rare condition similar to macular degeneration might actually be a macular degeneration, and the worst form of it. I'm only 54, so it was not what I had expected to hear during the visit. Bad eye condition, piled on top of cancer -- needless to say I was "blindsided" by the news. (Sorry, but a little gallows humor is all I've got going for me right now!) I'm waiting on the results of genetic testing to determine if his suspicions are correct. Am I the only one who is truly sick to death of waiting, waiting, waiting on something or the other???

    I finished 17 of 27 rads today. I had a breast reduction/lift about 8 years ago. The scars had faded nicely. Had... Now, the anchor-shaped scar under my breast, along with most of my lower breast, is dark brownish-black -- like it has been burned or singed. The bottom part of the scar, which curves under my breast, feels like it is burning almost all the time. I have very fair skin, so I'm not terribly surprised. There's no blistering or peeling -- just redness and soreness. My nipple has also turned a purplish black color. One of the RO's asked, "Has your nipple always been that dark?" "Erm, no," I said, and showed him the other one -- light tan colored. I may end up with completely mismatched boobs...

    One of the techs patted me and told me my skin was doing very well. ??? I told my RO that I think one of her techs is smoking crack during her break! I think the tech was trying to make me fell better, but all she did was lose any credibility she'll ever have. The RO gave me more lidocaine lotion and I'm adding Boiron calendula cream to the miaderm Im already using. I'll probably buy aloe gel tomorrow.

    Honestly, I'm questioning my choice to do lumpectomy over mastectomy. I wouldn't be looking at Tamoxifen and I think my breast would probably look and feel better in the long-term. Has anyone else questioned their choice?

    Sorry to be such a whiner.

    Congrats to those who've finished rads and welcome to those just starting.


  • Birdgirl11
    Birdgirl11 Member Posts: 51
    edited December 2014

    Hey Meanmomto3 - I have also questioned a couple times my choice for lumpectomy vs. complete mastectomy. Radiation is tough and no one tells you about all these other side effects you will endure. So when you make your choice at the beginning, you really can't make a completely informed choice, I think. I am still glad I did the lumpy. I get to keep my own boobs for a little while longer, even though one is missing a nipple. But I have had many questioning moments.

    So sorry to read how discolored your skin is. The calendula and aquafor really helped me a lot. But I also caked that stuff on. I've gone through 3 tubes of calendula and need to pick up one more. A couple shirts and bras are just going to have to go in the trash when this is all done. That being said, I can't sleep tonight because I'm sore and can't get comfy, so again - another lovely SE no one tells you about. The black and charring doesn't sound good, though. Do you have a good RO? What is his take on your skin condition?

    For my own whine session - I had a terrible RO that didn't listen to me and basically told me any SE I was having other than redness or fatigue was not due to radiation. What bunk. I would get so upset after seeing him that now I'm finding I need a xanax anytime I have any doctors appointment at all! I'm supposed to get a regular pap smear today and my stomach is in knots.

    I am so ready to get off this ride!

  • WndrWoman
    WndrWoman Member Posts: 333
    edited December 2014

    I have to agree that even though I read a bunch and talked to others who had breast cancer, I have learned more and more as I have gone along. I have found medical people forthcoming when I ask questions but that information may only come when I ask questions. This forum has helped me formulate some questions.

  • Cath57
    Cath57 Member Posts: 47
    edited December 2014

    meanmomto3, I was just getting ready to post when I read your post..... I haven't started rads yet ... Was supposed to on the 29th but still had some unanswered questions. I have been vasilating between not doing rads due to all my good numbers, ie Oncotype 10 , node neg , stage 1 , grade 1 Er Pr+... So many side effects that I really never knew about until I really started to delve in. I asked why I didn't have the opportunity to have Brachyo ( so) therapy. They said it's because you didn't ask. Here, I went for a 2nd opinion when first diagnosed because I was first going Togo with a mx, double mind you, but the 2nd opinion led me to the lumpectomy option., which would allow mme to keep my own breast. I feel that I should've read more at the time about rad side effects ; short term & long term because now I wonder if it's going to be my breast at all by the time I'm done. I did meet w/ my RO yesterday & she assured me that I would do well. She answered all of my questions so I go to scheduling & set my first Rad up for Jan 5. She comes in the room & tells me she forgot to mention one thing to me... She's leaving the practice & today would be her last day. I really liked her, had confidence in her & she's not even going to be my RO. She reassured me that she had my plan set & was conversing with the new Dr. On my treatment plan as well as the therapists. One thing she told me is that I needed to stand up for myself when I didn't feel comfortable with things..... Hmmm, this is all I have to say about that!imageL

  • SandyLovesLucy
    SandyLovesLucy Member Posts: 204
    edited December 2014

    Cath57, very interesting quote. I also go to the Serenity Prayer and am continually trying to figure out/pray for wisdom to know what to accept and what to try to change! Good luck with the new RO and keep your questions coming.  I'm grateful for BCO for helping me figure out what questions to ask.  At the beginning I didn't know what I didn't know.  My medical team has welcomed my questions and were glad that I educated myself enough to make informed decisions about treatment. 

    I don't regret my choice to have the lumpectomy vs mastectomy, not yet anyway, but it is hard to see more changes to my body due to radiation.  Although I was informed that the breast could get harder, smaller, etc., it is very sad to have it happen.  I guess I thought it wouldn't happen to me.  (Yay, denial!)

    Starting to see changes to my skin.   The skin all around my underarm area is very tan. And I have a pink rash, folliculitis, above my breast beneath my collarbone. The RO recommended going without a bra as much as possible so I have entered the camisole phase.  Fortunately it is vest and sweater weather so it is easier to cover up. I've only got 8 more to go and hope SE's won't get worse.

    Big congratulations to all who have finished, thanks for sharing your experiences.  And good luck to all just starting.  I wish you all a very Happy New Year!

    hugs, Sandy

  • CoyoteNV
    CoyoteNV Member Posts: 575
    edited December 2014

    meanmomto3 - I'm really sorry to hear about the MD - especially when you are dealing with this other issue that we all share.  The stress of it and the "piling on" feeling can be so overwhelming.  The good news is that they are really doing good things with the MD.  If you are as early in its detection as it sounds, the treatment - although not very pleasant - can stop the progression of the disease.  It did for my Mom and that was several years ago.  The meds they used for her were not originally intended for eyes, but of all things hemorrhoids. At that time it was an unusual treatment.  I don't know if it is more common now. It totally stopped the MD from spreading.   I know you will stay on top of this.

    Also, there are some posts in the fall rads 2014 topic about the black tissue issue.  It does seem that it peels off to fresh skin beneath.  Again ... not so pleasant.  The reports are that all will eventually come back around.  But omg, the process is definitely the pits!  You have my empathy, sympathy, best wishes, prayers, and whatever else I can send. 

    We can second guess ourselves to the point that we go a bit crazy.  Ask me.  As a recurrent BC - what is the appropriate word, I refuse to use "victim" - (person, recipient, patient) I asked myself, "What did I not do right? What didn't I know that I needed to know." It is amazing what all these experts don't tell you and somehow expect you to decide upon.  I have come to some conclusions on that, and hope that on this re-do, I did and will do better... and yet I wonder, what is it that I don't yet know that I should.

    Just be kind to yourselves.  We really have gone through enough to earn that. 

  • MagicalBean
    MagicalBean Member Posts: 362
    edited December 2014

    MeanMom-I made my decision to do the lumpectomy and never looked back. I did discuss my options with a few friends who had the mastectomy/recon and with my surgeon etc. I wanted something that was minimally invasive and would "do the job", and did not want ongoing surgeries and the accompanying discomfort of reconstruction. The day may come when I do not have the choice but for now I'm very happy with the choice I made.


  • LMVerna
    LMVerna Member Posts: 19
    edited December 2014

    mean mom--I opted for the mastectomy and was originally told if I did that then no chemo or radiation. Of course they then found more on pathology so then I still had to do radiation and chemo and still have to finish reconstructive surgery. There are no easy options.

    Jlynn--I also did have to do a bolus. I did it for every treatment except the boosts. Mine was like a wet pillowcase. It seems like it is used sometimes following mastectomy. The bad part for me was that I have pretty sever skin reactions--blistering peeling and quite a bit of discomfort. I finished Monday and am still waiting to start feeling better.

  • Cath57
    Cath57 Member Posts: 47
    edited December 2014

    SandyLivesLucy- thank you for sharing your experience. What I have discovered is that there is always going to be some uncertainty with any choices we make regarding our Tx. We just have to go what feels right to us.The Serenity Prayer is a good one! It seems you are doing well with only 8 more to go! Yay!

    MagicalBean, I think it's really good that once you made your decision to not look back! Words of wisdom!

    CoyoteNV, you are so right when you say"We can second guess ourselves to the point that we go a bit crazy." I guess that's why I am just learning to let go! I have so much info in my brain that it's becoming confusing. I think LMVerna states it clearly "There are no easy options". I'm just very greatful for this group! Happy New Year all!

  • Nomatterwhat
    Nomatterwhat Member Posts: 587
    edited December 2014

    Meanmom - I also opted for the lumpectomy, but my surgeon could not get clean margins and discovered a mass in the same breast during that surgery.  I had no choice but to do a mastectomy at that time.  I had a double mastectomy, as I had pre-cancer in my left breast as well.  I did question as to why they didn't catch the mass on the first mammogram and cried for days over losing both my breasts.  I have been through chemo, almost done with radiation and will start Tamoxifin in January.  But, I am still alive, flat, fat, sassy and loving every minute life has to offer!!!  I have never looked back, but always look forward to tomorrow.  Happy New Year to all my wonderful ladies and may 2015 be better for all of us!!! 

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