Fat Grafting After Lumpectomy

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MichelleLee
MichelleLee Member Posts: 24
edited September 2015 in Breast Reconstruction

I am almost 6 months out from my Rads and now have a left breast one full cup size smaller as well as a "big divot" where the lymph node removal was done. I've decided this is not something I want to look at every day, especially after wearing a swim suit, and am considering Fat Grafting. Anyone else that has done this and could give me some advice? Thanks!

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  • Lily55
    Lily55 Member Posts: 3,534
    edited August 2013

    Go for it! I had fat grafting done for different reasons......it has a good history of success but choose your surgeon - you will know when you find the right one

  • MichelleLee
    MichelleLee Member Posts: 24
    edited August 2013

    Thanks for the words of support! Glad it worked for you, I am waiting to find out if my insurance will pay for it. I will take your advice and get another doctors opinion to make sure I am choosing the right doctor.

  • BayouBabe
    BayouBabe Member Posts: 2,221
    edited August 2013

    I had fat grafting also, but after a BMX. Three weeks out today. SO GLAD I did it! Hurts like crazy for a while after, but did wonders to soften the edges of my implants. It has, at least in my mind, did wonders for my rads boob. The skin looks better, I see new little veins in one section beneath the skin, and the portion under my arm that used to be SO painful, feels many times better! Best of luck to you!

  • TarheelMichelle
    TarheelMichelle Member Posts: 871
    edited August 2013

    Insurance will pay for it as it is considered reconstruction surgery to restore your breast. I'm having mine done next month. The support staff at the plastic surgeon's office will get approval from your insurance company. Good luck.

  • MichelleLee
    MichelleLee Member Posts: 24
    edited August 2013

    Thanks...was hoping to hear that!

  • MichelleLee
    MichelleLee Member Posts: 24
    edited August 2013

    BayouBabe...yeah for you! Glad your feeling better. I have heard it is painful, but should be worth it, plus you loose some fat in places to boot. I had one PS suggest against FG, she said it could cause unnecessary biopsies down the road. Needed to hear about others that have done this to reassure myself to go for it. Have to wait until October when I will be 6 months out from my rads. Luck back at you!

  • lane4
    lane4 Member Posts: 175
    edited August 2013

    I think fat grafting is the way to go.

    My experience - I had a partial mastectomy and radiation and ended up a cup size smaller, maybe more. My surgeon recommended that I wait until a year after radiation to have the other breast reduced to match. I did wait a year and had a small reduction and crescent lift. Initially, symmetry was much improved, but I'm sure I experienced more shrinkage of the radiated breast during the 2nd year. In addition, I developed an area of fat necrosis that pulled a dimple in above the scar line. (Had to have that biopsied to rule out recurrence.) So the following year, my plastic surgeon broke up the scar tissue and fat necrosis and grafted some fat into the scar area. I have also had fat grafted throughout the breast to increase the overall size (2 grafting sessions). Be sure your PS has had a lot of experience with fat grafting. Mine said if you graft too much fat at one time, it's more difficult for the fat to find a blood supply, resulting in more fat loss.

    The only discomfort I really felt was in the donor site, and that was more soreness than pain. In fact, after the PS broke up the scar tissue and fat necrosis, all of the tightness and pulling I felt when I raised my arm was gone (tumor was at 12 o'clock). And I did notice what appeared to be new blood vessels under the skin, even under the areola, that I did not see through the thickened radiated skin.

    Regarding unnecessary biopsies, I had to have an "unnecessary" biopsy due to the effects of partial mastectomy and radiation. Of course, I was glad it was benign, but it was clearly due to treatment. As of now, I've not had a call back since before I had fat grafting done.

    Wishing you the best!

  • MichelleLee
    MichelleLee Member Posts: 24
    edited August 2013

    lane4...thanks for your input and sharing of FG. I also had a partial mastectomy and radiation, as well as the tumor at 12 o'clock. BS ended up doing a 6" incision from the nipple straight up, as well as another 5" incision for the lymph node removal. NOT what I expected as was told it would be a 1-2" incision. Only 5 months out from Rads and am a good cup size smaller already and have quite the divot too. First PS I saw suggested reducing my other breast but as I do not have large breasts to start with I really want the Fat Grafting.



    Sorry you had to have an unnecessary biopsy but glad to hear it was benign.



    Wishing you all the best too!

  • lane4
    lane4 Member Posts: 175
    edited August 2013

    I know what you mean about not wanting to reduce the other breast. I didn't really want a reduction, but I desperately wanted to be even again. I was a 34D (average, not full figure), which is actually pretty small. At first I didn't want anything else done to the treated breast because it looked pretty good. But in that 2nd year post-treatment, I continued to see changes such as the dimpling I mentioned above and even more retraction. That's when my plastic surgeon suggested breaking up the scar tissue and fat grafting. Also around that time, some studies had come out that alleviated some of the concerns the medical community had about grafting fat into breast tissue. Radiologists now say they can distinguish calcifications caused by fat grafting from malignant calcifications.

    The reduction I had on the opposite breast really only reduced me by about 1/2 cup size, I think. The fat grafting on the radiated breast brought me up about 1/2 cup size, so I am very even now. I started as a 34D and now I think I'm 34D-. I bought a 34C, but the cups are a bit too small. The same bras I wore before still fit; I just don't fill them out as well.

  • MichelleLee
    MichelleLee Member Posts: 24
    edited August 2013

    To be even is my goal too. I know I will never have 2 boobs the same again, but want to fill out my swimsuit top so it's not so obvious. Even after pinning in a pad you can still see the difference and I get so embarrassed when people look :-(

  • susanella
    susanella Member Posts: 47
    edited September 2013

    Hi MichelleLee,

    I also had a lumpectomy in Oct. 2011 and rads in April-May 2012 that resulted in a dent in my right breast at the 3 o'clock position.  My former BS and current BS both advised against fat grafting because there aren't any good long-term studies yet, and it can result in necrosis or calcifications, which may lead to the need for more imaging and biopsies.  However, my MO, internist and PS say that it is safe.  Although no one can see the defect, like you, I don't want a daily reminder of BC.  I am scheduled to have the fat grafting in NYC on Nov. 1.  With the exception of Zard, I haven't heard from many lumpectomy patients who have had it done, whereas it's pretty common post-masectomy.  I hope we hear from more women who have had a good experience.  Good luck and please let us know if you learn anything new.

    All the best,

    Susanella

  • Lily55
    Lily55 Member Posts: 3,534
    edited September 2013

    Many women are left with necrosis post rads anyway, mine showed up clearly on MRI as that, i am doing fat grafting to create a whole "breast" hopefully as fat grafting does give you sensation.....

  • lane4
    lane4 Member Posts: 175
    edited September 2013

    Lily55 - I am one of the women who developed fat necrosis post rads, although the radiologist thought it was a recurrence because of the way it enhanced on MRI.

    susanella - I had a suspicious area of enhancement on an MRI about a year and a half after partial mastectomy and radiation. The area in question caused a very firm lump that pulled a dimple toward my chest wall. Of course, a biopsy was done and it was fat necrosis; clearly the result of treatment (it was in the boost area). This was before I had any fat grafting done. I have not had any callbacks for biopsies since I had fat grafted into my radiated breast. I am extremely happy with the results. Wishing you the best!

  • MichelleLee
    MichelleLee Member Posts: 24
    edited September 2013

    Still waiting to hear from my insurance if they will pay for my fat grafting. In the meantime I have an appointment with another PS to get a second opinion. My MO referred me to him, so it will be good to get another opinion. I am now looking at the end of October or early November for my procedure. Need to check with my BS to ask about upcoming mammogram and MRI. Wonder if I should do these first and then have the fat grafting done? Please post back for those of you that are also doing this procedure to let me know how it goes. Best of luck to all of us!

  • lane4
    lane4 Member Posts: 175
    edited September 2013

    MichelleLee - I think you should have your mammo/MRI done before you have fat grafting done, on the remote chance that there is something of concern in that breast. It would be a shame to do the procedure then later find out you have to have a mastectomy. Also, I would think your BS and certainly the PS would want to know where you stand before proceeding with fat grafting. Good luck! 

  • MichelleLee
    MichelleLee Member Posts: 24
    edited September 2013

    lane4...thanks for your advice! That is what I was thinking I should do too, to be sure everything is good to go. Will call my BS to make my appointments once I schedule my fat grafting procedure.

  • ThriverInGA
    ThriverInGA Member Posts: 19
    edited September 2013

    So glad to find others who have had or are considering fat grafting after lumpectomy! I consulted with the first PS last week and will interview a second later this week. I didn't know fat grafting was an option until the PS recommended it. He said my own stem cells could be implanted as well as fat cells. When measured, my affected breast was over 3 cm "shorter" from base of throat to nipple than my other breast. (He also recommended a lift for the unaffected breast).

    I had a re-excision lumpectomy in February to correct a large, persistent seroma. The seroma has returned and now occasionally drains out through my nipple. Undecided

    I'm anxious to see what the second PS recommends.

  • MichelleLee
    MichelleLee Member Posts: 24
    edited September 2013

    ThriverInGA...I wish you all the best with healing from your seroma! Keep us posted on your progress with your fat grafting! Looking forward to my 2nd opinion in a few weeks. Good questions would be how many procedures would it take, as well as how much experience PS has has with fat grafting, especially to radiated tissue.

  • susanella
    susanella Member Posts: 47
    edited September 2013

    Hi,

    Lane4 -- Thanks for the information.  In 4 weeks, it will be 2 years since my lumpectomy.  I am scheduled to have a mammo and sono next week, followed by a breast MRI, and then, if all goes well, will have the fat grafting on Nov.1.

    ThriverInGA -- What was the opinion of your BS and MO regarding the fat grafting??   I went to 3 PSs in NYC.  The first would not do fat grafting for post-lumpectomies.  The other 2 would.  My former BS and current BS both advise against it because there are no long-term studies.  However, my MO says she has no problem with it.  Some mainstream institutions are now doing it, i.e. Washington University (Barnes Jewish) in St. Louis, NYU, and I heard from a woman in Albany (posts under the name Zard) who had it done and is happy.  If anyone else out there has had post-lumpectomy fat grafting, please give us feedback.

    Susanella in Long Island, NY

  • Dlia
    Dlia Member Posts: 191
    edited December 2013

    I had double mastectomy March of last year, once the implants were put in the plastic surgeon did fat grafting February of this year. Things seemed to be going good until I found a lump in both breast, saw the Gyn who scheduled an ultrasound. During the ultrasound the tech said she saw what looked like bruises all throughout both breast which she though was fat necrosis. I was told I needed to see the surgeon and the plastic surgeon. The surgeon said it could take up to five years to go away. The plastic surgeon wanted to do more fat grafting to build my breast up more.. smh. Every day I find more and more lumps even where my port was. My concern is finding other lumps and not pay it any attention because they said it's fat necrosis and everywhere, but could be something more serious. It's getting hard to stay positive when my sister passed away in March of this year from breast cancer her2 positive like me, and another sister who had cancer with us at the same time is not so positive about recurrence, so many friends and coworkers that their cancer returned. I asked if removing the implants along with all the lumps would make the fat necrosis go away but the answer was taking it out could cause fat necrosis from the surgery. Frustrated... 

  • rgiuff
    rgiuff Member Posts: 1,094
    edited May 2014

     I am so confused about this issue. I'm 5 years post Rads and my divot has sunken in more on my already small breast. I went to a plastic surgeon who said I could do implants or fat grafting, and then saw my breast surgeon who recommended against fat grafting, stating that I would have better results and less problems with implants. But I've been reading a lot about how implants don't take well to a radiated breast. My next step is to consult with another plastic surgeon for their opinion.  Then I'll ask the advice of Radiology docs. 

  • Pandabear
    Pandabear Member Posts: 25
    edited May 2014

    Does  insurance pay for reconstruction surgery after a lumpectomy? I  am not interested in getting a fat graft  (not really sure what that is) but want to get my right breast reduced so it will be the same size as my left. Thank you! 

  • PaEaglesFan
    PaEaglesFan Member Posts: 277
    edited May 2014

    Pandabear, I had a reduction on my "good" side and they used some fat from under my arm for my transfer.  Yes, my health insurance covered it and the reduction looks beautiful 8 months post op.  Still have a little bit of pink scar on the underside but you can't see the scar around the nipple AT ALL and the line that runs from the nipple to the under boob is fading quickly too.  I was very happy with the results from it.  The fat transfer... not so much.  Will be discussing it with my breast surgeon next week at my 6 mo checkup and then I see my PS in another few weeks.  

  • Pandabear
    Pandabear Member Posts: 25
    edited May 2014

    Thank you PaEaglesfan! We thought we were going to have to pay for the surgery ourselves so its nice to know insurance covers it. I have to get an ultrasound guided biopsy because they found a mild change in my last ultrasound. Just waiting for approval from insurance. Hopefully all is ok and then I will go forward with get reconstruction. I also have a ton of scar tissue and want to get some of that removed. I really appreciate your response.

    P.S. What do you think of the Eagles trades/draft picks? I am a big football fan and the Eagles are in my top 5 favorite teams. Rams are #1 :)

  • Cashmere57
    Cashmere57 Member Posts: 1
    edited December 2014


    I had a lumpectomy and radiation to my right breast almost 8 years ago.  I have a vertical divot that runs up from my nipple.  I have had numberous consultations with plastic surgeons regarding what can be done.  Implants under or over the muscle, lifts, and fat transfer.  I have only found one plastic surgeon in the Buffalo NY area that has done fat transfer, and I am going back to see him December 18th.  It makes me a little nervous that only ONE doctor would be performing fat transfer in the city where I live.  Is there anyone else in the Western NY area that has looked into this type of surgery? 

  • windgirl
    windgirl Member Posts: 340
    edited December 2014

    Hi Michellelee,

    What did you end up doing? Would be great to get your update. I just had a lumpectomy a week ago and so far happy with the result. However I will get rads and I know that could change the appearance greatly, so I was reading up on reconstruction options for lump with rads and came across this thread. Would be great to know if the fat grafting worked for you, or whether any others here tried implants and whether they were happy about it. I also had heard implants were tough after radiation. But maybe that's just for a mastectomy?

     

     


     

  • rgiuff
    rgiuff Member Posts: 1,094
    edited December 2014

    I'm wondering myself about all this and have been wanting to do fat grafting. Then became afraid after speaking with breast surgeon, who convinced me that I should get implants instead. She stated that I would be much happier with them and would have less problems than with the fat grafting. But I feel like she had an agenda,wanted to refer me to her plastic surgeon friend, who is more pro implant. With everything I'm reading here about the damage from rads and how it affects an implant, the more convinced I am that fat grafting would be a better idea, My lumpectomy was almost 7 years ago. Don't know if that makes a difference as far as healing of tissue from radiation damage. I probably should just go for a consult with a couple of plastic surgeons and see what they have to say about the whole thing.


  • lane4
    lane4 Member Posts: 175
    edited December 2014

    Rose, I agree that you should consult with a couple of plastic surgeons. Keep in mind, too, that they will recommend the procedures they are most comfortable doing, whether it's fat grafting or implants. I consulted two PSs; the first recommended a tissue expander behind the radiated breast followed by an implant. It may have worked, but I had read that implants and radiation do not mix well. The second PS told me up front that an implant in a radiated breast has a 50% chance of complications and/or failure. He did a small reduction and lift on my healthy breast first and later I had fat grafting to the radiated breast. I have not had any problems, call-backs, or biopsies since.

    Edited to add: I posted earlier on this thread. Those posts give more details about the processes I went through to regain symmetry.

  • kayfry
    kayfry Member Posts: 481
    edited February 2015

    I just found this thread and am wondering about others' experiences with fat grafting after lumpectomy and radiation. I'm almost 3 weeks out from my lumpectomy (DCIS, wound up with a total tumor size of 2.4 cm, more than twice as large as originally estimated after first biopsy). No problems with the surgery, clean margins and no invasive cancer found. I'm scheduled to have my planning appointment for rads in a couple of weeks and then start my 4 weeks of rads around the beginning of March. My tumor was at 6 o'clock, so I now have an incision of over 2 inches that runs from the edge of my nipple all the way down to what little is left of the "fold" below my breast—I have very small breasts to start with, so losing 2.4 cm has left a significant dent or more of a crater on the underside of my breast where it used to be rounded, at least (and a slightly downward-pointing nipple). I was okay with it, really, until the swelling really started to go down in the last couple of days, but now, more than ever, not so happy with it. I would like to investigate improving the looks and symmetry with fat grafting. I'm really not interested in implants or flaps or anything more major like that, not looking to get especially larger breasts, but would like a more normal contour and more of a match between the two, which would probably involve some fat grafting to my opposite breast, too, since it was the smaller one prior to surgery.

    I have heard conflicting advice on whether fat grafting after lumpectomy can or should be done after radiation is completed. On the one hand, I've been told that irradiated tissue doesn't heal well, but on the other hand, it seems likely that radiation would not be good for the newly grafted fat tissue to survive if the grafting procedure were done prior to radiation, right? So is it okay to wait until after I complete radiation and then at least 6 months to a year to allow everything to "settle in" before considering fat grafting? My radiation oncology team said I should definitely wait & look into fat grafting later, so that's what I've been planning to do, but now I'm wondering. My treatment is being done at Johns Hopkins, so I do have access to breast plastic surgeons experienced in fat grafting reconstruction. I'm pretty anxious about the upcoming radiation and further shrinkage of what's left of my breast, I have to say. And wondering if I should get a PS consult before starting rads.

  • rgiuff
    rgiuff Member Posts: 1,094
    edited February 2015

    Kayfry, I had radiation over 6 years ago, and have seen my breast go through changes since then. For the first year or two, my breast seemed bigger, maybe due to newly forming scar tissue, but now it definitely has gotten smaller and this year especially, it seems more sunken in and flatter. I have decided to start seeing a few plastic surgeons to get opinions on what my options are. My breast surgeon told me to stay away from fat grafting, that it doesn't help much and can cause more problems with imaging, and that I'd be much happier with implants. But that never sounded right to me, especially reading a lot about how risky implants are with radiated tissue. I figured the only way to decide would be to get about 3 opinions with plastic surgeons who are experienced with both procedures. And I've held off doing anything, mired in indecision over the potential problems of either procedure, but I'm not too happy with the appearance of my breast and have decided that now I'm ready to do something about it.

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