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  • WheelyGirl
    WheelyGirl Member Posts: 181
    edited December 2014

    april25 - Glad the Tylenol seems to be helping.  I understand what you mean about the liver and all of the drugs we are forced to take.

    All of the kids and grandkids left about 9 o'clock.  Wonderful Christmas celebration but I see what some of you mean about a lot of noise being very distractive.  My 31 year old son revealed his newly shaved head in honor of his mother (big move for him since he is my hippy child that had beautiful hair past his shoulders that laid in perfect ringlets all over (most women pay big $ for hair like his) my daughter wanted to do the same but we managed to talk her out of it.  I am now having trouble winding down.  Not a bit sleepy and having chemo at 8:30 in the am.  Hope I get some sleep, must be the steroids although I don't remember it affecting  me in this way the during the first chemo.  I did forego the Ambien and took a xanex so I won't be so anxious tomorrow.  Good thing they will let me take that before chemo as well. 

    Hope everyone facing side effects right now is feeling better for any plans they may have tomorrow and Thursday.  Merry Christmas to all of you amazingly strong and supportive women.

  • WheelyGirl
    WheelyGirl Member Posts: 181
    edited December 2014

    April25 - I read on here that ginger capsules help if you take 2 the day before, 2 the day of and 2 the day after chemo for the nausea so I tried it and I did not have any nausea which was a good thing as I had to quit taking the prescription nausea medicines, too many side effects for me.  Check with your chemo nurse first though, mine said it could cause you to be more easy to bleed.

  • april25
    april25 Member Posts: 772
    edited December 2014

    Thanks for the tips. I'd heard ginger might be good.

    Now I'm getting foot cramps! I saw that it's a sign of neuropathy... wonderful...!

  • WheelyGirl
    WheelyGirl Member Posts: 181
    edited December 2014

    It also could be the neulasta shot if you had to have one.  I didn't experience that, knock on wood!


     

  • blueflowers
    blueflowers Member Posts: 46
    edited December 2014

    April 25 - I have been trying ginger tea, just dip a regular tea bag in a cup of hot water for a few seconds, and soak half inch cube of ginger in the tea, its been helping me a lot, and also comforting in this cold weather. But I can take the tea very weak.

    I have also been eating ripe papaya with activia, you can get ripe papaya in Sprouts, or in any asian store. This has really helped me with constipation, in case anyone has this trouble.

    Thanks for all the helpful tips, and Happy Holidays ..

  • april25
    april25 Member Posts: 772
    edited December 2014

    Ginger Tea sounds good. I'm doing 5 Neupogen shots... last one for this session is tonight. ... I'm not feeling horrible, but it's not good, either. I've been lying on the couch all day. Oh, and I've got diarrhea more than constipation so far. bleh...

    Foot cramps are definitely no fun... painful, actually...

  • bonnied
    bonnied Member Posts: 74
    edited December 2014

    Good morning chemo ladies, I thought I would check in and say hi. I have been under the weather since Monday with cold and some flu like symptoms (slight fever), loose mucous, fairly productive cough, and now some achy overall body stuff. I am staying put. Glad to be home and not traveling especially with chemo going on. I think I am going to call the nurses station this morning when they open and see if i can get an antibiotic before holiday tomorrow. My A/C #3 is next Monday Dec 29 and I sure don't want to be sick and going into the next round. I sent some invite emails to a few of you to join the FB group. It is the most active group on my FB stuff!

    I am trying to keep my protein intake up with shakes, bone broths, water and herbal teas. I think it helps to manage SEs. My head is mostly bald now. I kind of feel like a newborn baby bird with the little stubble on top! My scalp sure itches though and is sore. I have a soft fiber jute brush that feels good on my head when in the shower.

    Our adult kids will be here Christmas night and are all in other places between now and then. I thought I would do a christmas supper of fun finger food that will b e easy to bake tomorrow.. Working on the bis and pieces today while it drizzles outside. On the menu: mini filet mignon sandwiches on soft rolls and horseradish cream sauce (horseradish is good for you..), mushroom in filo packs, asparagus & blue cheese rolls, duck pate on baguette toasts. With all the generosity of neighbors and dear friends, i am not worrying about sweets since drop by gifts have taken care of that!

    II had a FB friend stop by last night with a lovely gift of a pretty homemade apron (she and I are both foodies) and a lavender body scrub made by her friend. Her visit was a total out of the blue surprise.


    This week also I heard from two chemo angels, one in Illinois and another down in Georgia! I hope you all have had friends, family and others reach out to bring cheer to you over the holiday seasons. Whatever you celebrate in December, be it Hannukah, Christmas or other end of year celebrations, best wishes for a calm and healthy time with loved ones.

    xxoxo

    bonnie

  • WheelyGirl
    WheelyGirl Member Posts: 181
    edited December 2014

    Very hard to make myself go this morning because I feel so good!  The thing that is pushing me there is "I will not lose my long hair over nothing" so I will make it through this one and the next 2 because of that.  It is hard to believe the cancer could still be in your body when you feel so good at the moment.  I know that it could possibly be hiding itself in all sorts of nooks and cranys and do not want that devil to survive in me "or anyone else for that matter" so I am putting my big girl panties on and doing this thing and will be positive after this post as I truly believe that is what gets us all though this "a positive spirit and a strong one".  So talk to you all again in a few hours to let you know how my second round went.

    Leftloo - thoughts and prayers going out to you this morning as I know you are probably feeling the same as me about round two.  GOOD LUCK! AND MANY PRAYERS FOR LITTLE OR NO SIDE EFFECTS FOR YOU and anyone else facing chemo today!  Hugs and Kisses coming your way.

  • farmdau56
    farmdau56 Member Posts: 42
    edited December 2014

    Good luck Wheelygirl and Leftyloo (and anyone else going today) with 2nd chemo.! I'll be having mine a week from today. My onc. told me that 2nd round should be no worse and maybe better than first. Hope this is true for all of us. Pls. let us all know how it goes.

    My next thing will be the head shave--yesterday (right on schedule) my hair started falling out. I'm hoping it will just be "shedding" until Friday or Sat. when I can get my hairdresser to finish the job. My husband seems more upset about it (sorry for me) than I do at the moment, but I'm sure it will be traumatic when the time comes.

    Very best holiday wishes to everyone out there--your posts keep me going! XXX

  • WheelyGirl
    WheelyGirl Member Posts: 181
    edited December 2014

    Well round two down two to go.  Have a pretty bad headache this time but I thing it was because I did not ask the chemo nurse to turn the drip down when I started to get the headache by the time I said something the taxotere was finished.  I actually feel pretty good other than that and the chemo fog.  Hubby and I actually left the treatment and met some friends for a couple of drinks (ice water for me) at our favorite American Legion Post.  We just got home, haven't really been hungry but did eat a sandwich left from last nights Christmas with the kids.  No real stomach upset yet but nurse said the Kitrall (spelling) I got in the IV would not wear off till about 8 tonight but I am ready.  I did notice that I had some emotional stuff going on and got upset over something really silly my husband said and we do not argue or fuss and fight ever...have not had this up till now...anyone else experience this?

    Leftyloo-hope all is well with you...let us know how you are doing.

  • april25
    april25 Member Posts: 772
    edited December 2014

    bonnied -- Mmmmm... Your finger-food menu sounds divine! I don't think my stomach will take it at this point, but I can dream about it!!! (love horseradish... and on filet-mignon!!! just wow! ... and mushroom filo! and duck pate! Yummy!)

    I hope having your family around you, supporting you, will help you get through this time. Many happy wishes to you!

    ---

    I felt terrible yesterday, 6 days after my first chemo. Feet cramping and diarrhea all night--first time my sleep was that disturbed. I still haven't felt like eating, but today I feel a little better, despite lack of sleep (I slept in all morning--that helped!). Today is close to nadir, so maybe things will be better now??? Hair still not falling out, although scalp is feeling a bit odd at times, so I'm guessing it's coming soon...

    Well, so much for thinking I might get through the chemo with little problem! agh. But if things don't get worse, I think I can bear it... worried about not getting enough protein and hydration, though...!



  • CanuckPrincess
    CanuckPrincess Member Posts: 22
    edited December 2014


    Starting Chemo on Friday. Doing okay so far...busy getting things ready for Christmas and just finished baking cookies for Santa. Boys are going to bed in an hour and a half and then I have some Fat Man in a Red Suit wrapping to do!!

  • leftyloo
    leftyloo Member Posts: 23
    edited December 2014

    hi all - round two was smooth for me with just one jab in the vein too many for the IV, but managed not to scream with the ativan in me!

    ate a banana and and egg salad for lunch while there and super hydrated with carbonated spring water and a tea. got home and the bf and i had a walk, then i came home for a nap. upon awaking, i vaped some marijuana to get an appetite for dinner, then had a delicious spaghettini with pesto, turmeric, and tomatoes!

    WheelyGirl

    i too, found the steroid made me wired the 2nd time around last night trying to get tired, and this morning, too! i mean, sometimes i really dig that feeling, but not through the night i want to remain calm for!

  • april25
    april25 Member Posts: 772
    edited December 2014

    People have been offering me their medical marijuana. Does it really help? I mean, my stomach has felt too sensitive to take most food, even though I still find that the idea of food sounds good. I'm not sure if the munchies will help with that? What else does it help with?

    My energy is super-low today. I went out to get a nice Christmas Even Brain MRI... pretty crazy that they were working so late (6pm appointment).

    I'm looking forward to peace and quiet tomorrow... but I will probably drive over to my sister's house in the evening to deliver some presents and go to a doctor's appointment on the 26th!

    Merry Christmas and Happy Holidays, everyone!

  • WheelyGirl
    WheelyGirl Member Posts: 181
    edited December 2014

    Not sure if the feeling in my head last night was chemo fog or all of the pre-meds I was taking.  That feeling is much better this morning.  Am taking the Zofran and Phenergan (spelling) this time around as the stomach upset showed up right away this time unlike 1st round.  I actually slept better last night than I have in about 2 weeks.  I took the Xanax instead of the Ambien although Oncologist doesn't like that because the Xanax is much more addictive and should not be used as a sleep aide but when you are as desperate for sleep as I was you sometimes behave like a child and don't listen to adults, lol. 

    I feel pretty good this morning except I'm hungry but the thought of any food in my mouth makes me queasy, to bad we don't have medical marijuana yet in Florida, hopefully that will change soon.

     

    Leftloo - how are you feeling today.  How long before you know the results of the brain MRI?  Hope all is well for you!

     

    Merry Christmas to everyone hope you are all able to enjoy your Christmas with family and friends today!


     

  • Akitagirl
    Akitagirl Member Posts: 142
    edited December 2014

    Hey everyone - Merry Christmas! Today was a lot more fun than I expected. We hosted dinner (as usual), but it was very laid back and everyone seemed to enjoy the afternoon. I even had a couple glasses of wine...as tomorrow I am off to the hospital for round #2 of my TCH.

    I know I keep saying this...but if the steroids are driving you crazy, you do NOT have to take them. You have the right to refuse them. The docs and nurses will give you all sorts of reasons to take them, but realize that they are prescribed as a prophalactic measure to prevent any potential infusion reaction and they also believe that it acts synergistically with your anti-nausea meds. However, my philosophy is that I won't take a med unless it has been proven that I need it. So - I have not taken ANY steroids, even when I had a response to the Herceptin. They wanted to give me steroids IV, but I insisted on 50mg of Benadryl and that worked just fine. I have not had any swelling, any crazy mood swings and have not had any nausea. Now, I understand everyone is different, but I just want to remind everyone that even though you are the patient and they are the provider, it is YOUR body and you have the final say in what happens. Okay, I'll get off my soapbox. :-)

    One change I am making this round is that I will not be taking the Neulasta shot. Since I am flying to London the day after chemo and do not return until after the 72 hour limit, I am not eligible. Not to mention, my insurance doe not allow me to take it home and administer it myself. So, I am actually excited to avoid the terrible bone pain and will just take extra precautions with germ evasion - especially during the 7-10 day nadir of low WBCs. I'll let you all know how that goes.

    At any rate - Merry Christmas to all, and to all a good night!

    All my best,

    Akitagirl

    P.S. The 4 Christmas Eve services went extremely well and I made it all the way through without any difficulties! Woo Hoo!

  • april25
    april25 Member Posts: 772
    edited December 2014

    Omg... chemo is totally kicking my butt... 8 days after first round. I can barely make it to the bathroom and back to the couch without being exhausted. I get tired just trying to drink something. I'm hungry but too tired to eat. I was thinking of going to my sister's for Christmas but can't even get up to get dressed. I've got a doctor appt. tomorrow but I think I'll need to take a cab.

    To top it off my power went off all afternoon and evening and is still off! Good thing this is S. California so I'm not going to freeze to death! But it is kind of pathetic lying alone in the dark on Christmas day. ..

  • WheelyGirl
    WheelyGirl Member Posts: 181
    edited December 2014

    April25 - Sorry to hear your side effects are so bad really hope you feel better soon!  Are you checking for fever and watching for infections?

    Going for my neulasta shot this morning, was not able to get it yesterday since everything was closed on Christmas day.  My white count and neutrophils were a little high before chemo Wednesday but Onco Dr still wanted me to have it since I was neutropenic after the first round.  Really not looking forward to it but I do not want to risk infection with my heart condition.

    My daughter and daughter-in-law are suppose to take me to lunch for my birthday today but my son-in-law is sick and may not be able to watch the kids so we may have to postpone...boo!  I am still feeling pretty good and was looking forward to alone time with my two favorite girls.

  • Akitagirl
    Akitagirl Member Posts: 142
    edited December 2014

    April - so sorry that you are feeling crummy. Any place in your home where you could sit outside in the sun for 30 minutes and just rest with the warmth and fresh air around you? Southern California just sounds perfect to me right now...getting ready to leave for chemo and it's snowing here...again...and cold. I usually love the snow, but that's when I have either my ice skates or my snowboard strapped to my feet!

    Best wishes,

    Akitagirl

  • april25
    april25 Member Posts: 772
    edited December 2014

    Went to see my oncologist... apparently I'm dehydrated from all the feeling sick and my blood pressure is low. He wants me to get an IV in asap... and some stronger prescription meds for the burning stomach and diarrhea. I hope it works. I usually don't notice if I'm dehydrated, but this has been really something!

  • SpecialK
    SpecialK Member Posts: 16,486
    edited December 2014

    April - it is very important to drink at least your body weight in ounces daily during chemo - both to stay hydrated and also to flush toxins out. You may be an individual who needs a fluids infusion after each session of chemo - this is fairly common. It is also important to ingest protein - ideally 100 oz daily if you can. Chemo damages soft tissue so you need protein to help you heal - this is true after surgery as well. Try protein powder in smoothies or shakes if chewing protein doesn't sound appealing. Scrambled eggs, peanut butter, fortified cereal, dark leafy greens, and of course typical sources like meat, fish, and poultry. Another reason to keep up your protein is that this helps keep your hemoglobin up - all blood cells are damaged by chemo, keeping hemoglobin up means your blood is oxygenating correctly and providing energy. If your hemoglobin drops too low you may require a blood transfusion. Your MO should be doing regular CBC to monitor all your counts - I had these weekly throughout chemo.

  • ThinkingPositive
    ThinkingPositive Member Posts: 834
    edited December 2014

    Had my second round of chemo today. Did okay so far. Was concerned that my wbc count was at 12,000... is that normal? Doctor did not seem concerned. He stated that steroids that I took yesterday,and this morning plus the neulasta shot I had the day after the first chemo is the reason that the wbc's are above normal. Has anyone experienced this with their blood work?

  • Cjfishergal
    Cjfishergal Member Posts: 33
    edited December 2014

    Hi ladies - Sounds like round 2 can be pretty scary. I am scheduled for next tuesday.

    April25 I hope all is well with you. Eating and drinking can be difficult - especially when most things taste so yucky. I will say an extra prayer for all you ladies who are experiencing a tough round 2.

    ThinkingPositive - from what I know "normal" is between 4500 and 10000. If your doc isn't concerned and you feel good (not ill) then I would take that as a positive. Watch for typical signs of illness/infection...WBC fight off infections, when they are elevated in normal circumstances - and we are far from normal circumstances - it usually means you are fighting off infections/illness. If start feeling ill at all...check temperature, tummy troubles, throat, etc - I'd contact the doctor.

    Akitagirl - have fun in London! I hope you SE's are minimal and you can enjoy your trip!

    I hope everyone had a wonderful Christmas!!


  • ThinkingPositive
    ThinkingPositive Member Posts: 834
    edited December 2014

    Also is anyone experiencing tingling in the hands and arm periodically? I know its a side effect, but is it a common one and does it go away?

  • ThinkingPositive
    ThinkingPositive Member Posts: 834
    edited December 2014

    One more thing, I had my blood work done this am... they took from finger, but when I got my port accessed they took a vial of blood to be tested..has this happened to anyone?

  • WheelyGirl
    WheelyGirl Member Posts: 181
    edited December 2014

    They usually take a couple of vials from my port whenever they test my blood, they have not taken from my finger though.

  • ThinkingPositive
    ThinkingPositive Member Posts: 834
    edited December 2014

    thanks wheelygirl...think I posted the same response to you under November...sorry about that!! Thanks for answering my questions, you have no idea how much of a help it is to someone like me who is just a constant worrier... need to figure out how to stop that and shut my mind off from thinking..


  • CanuckPrincess
    CanuckPrincess Member Posts: 22
    edited December 2014


    4.5 hours since first dose of round one. A tiny bit of nausea starting to surface, but was able to coach hockey as scheduled tonight...hope I can coach at least once a week through this (if not more) will see how tomorrow morning's practice goes! (I volunteered to assistant coach my son's hockey team the week before I was diagnosed)

  • SpecialK
    SpecialK Member Posts: 16,486
    edited December 2014

    Sometimes a finger prick can be done to take a quick look at your hemoglobin, like the readers they use when you donate blood. If your hemoglobin, or other blood counts are low, they will delay your chemo, so it may be how your center does this. A number of centers can instantly process a CBC by finger prick or tube, but do a send out of the CMP testing that is done throughout chemo, which is the test that shows more metabolic processes, like liver and kidney function. This is done periodically because chemo drugs are filtered through one or the other. This test is done by an outside lab at my center so would require a larger quantity of blood in a color coded tube.


  • ThinkingPositive
    ThinkingPositive Member Posts: 834
    edited December 2014

    Special k, mine was done by finger prick at my cancer center.. they had the results in 5 minutes or less. The WBC count was 12,000. this was my second treatment, so I had the neulasta shot the day after my first treatment (which my wbc was 15,000, which they said could have been caused by the steroids take twice the day before and morning day of). Same thing this time, I was told it could be caused by the neulasta shot which is supposed to increase wbc, plus the steroids taken again before my treatment. Of course I am worried, as I worry about everything. They did take a vial of blood from my port once I was in the infusion room. Guessing this is normal or are they running more tests on wbc which would be my guess.

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