December 2014 Surgery Sisters

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  • Bippy625
    Bippy625 Member Posts: 890
    edited December 2014

    merry christmas sistahs!

    My drains are putting out next to nothing, a Christmas miracle! That means I have absolutely no fears about not getting them out tomorrow. I hope you all have a wonderful day and everyone feels very good. I could not do any christmas cooking or gifting, but am doing it next week post drain removal. I gues it will be a new years celebration

  • sandra4611
    sandra4611 Member Posts: 2,913
    edited December 2014

    No drains is a GREAT reason to celebrate!

  • Bippy625
    Bippy625 Member Posts: 890
    edited December 2014

    OMG. The drains are gawn!!!!!

    Cannot describe the euphoria. Sore but who cares! Doc says staples must stay till next week, that is okay by me. Did not hurt comin out but felt bizarre. Slept in my own bed last night and napped there today....priceless.

    Sandra, hows you and hubs?

    Hope all had a good holiday. I am lookin forward to new year

  • knmtwins
    knmtwins Member Posts: 598
    edited December 2014

    Welcome vr423 whose surgery was the 23rd. Scottiesmom, I can't believe you are just on Motrin. You are a goddess. I stopped the narcotic so I could have a BM, but musle relaxer and Aleve I'm still doing.

    Bippy625 - woo hoo no more drains!!!

    You who had exchange surgery - do you get drains for that? HOw long do you hurt? Is it as bad as the BMx with TEs???

  • sandra4611
    sandra4611 Member Posts: 2,913
    edited December 2014

    Bippy,

    I can just hear you singing that old song Born Free except you are singing at the top of your lungs, "Drain Freeeeeeeee..." It's the most wonderful feeling and is a close second to the joy of taking your first shower. The little things mean so much.

    My husband Mike spent 99% of the day in his recliner. I'm afraid the temporary boost he got from the blood transfusion a week ago has worn off. Waiting to hear the results of his bone marrow biopsy is worse than waiting to hear my own results. His is so much more serious if what the hematologist suspects is true. I've been reading up on myelodysplastic syndrome and CRAP, if that's what he has, none of the variables connected to the different stages give much hope. The very mildest form has a 55% 5 year survival rate and the middle level is 7%. I know I'm "borrowing trouble" as my Grandmother used to say, but it's really impossible not to think of the worst. Let's hope it turns out to be a stubborn case of common anemia.

    I'm doing fine at 1 week post op. The belly is still sore when I stand up but I suspect I'll be 100% by this time next week. The stitches on my chest - one in each opening - are very fine and are dissolving already. It feels a little lumpy since the swelling is scattered. I'm thrilled with the improvement on my left side. The tissue and fat grafting there, combined with the removal of some tissue that didn't belong has turned something Frankenstein-esq to something akin to normal.

  • Mollymae
    Mollymae Member Posts: 20
    edited December 2014

    Surgery Dec 19 2014. Hopefully my drains will go on the 30th. Found cancer in both breasts but nothing in lymph nodes. Waiting on full pathology report. For those with surgery in the near future....all I can say is that the waiting was the worst part. I don't have the nerve to look at myself but I will build my courage in time. It seems trivial when so many others aredealing with so much more. Happy Holidays to all!

  • sandra4611
    sandra4611 Member Posts: 2,913
    edited December 2014

    Hi Mollymae. Glad you are doing so well. We are true surgery sisters since mine was the 19th as well. The waiting is enough to drive you crazy, isn't it? Your mind keeps going round and round with "what if's." Seeing ourselves after surgery is a shock for some and a pleasure for others. Most of us fall somewhere in between. Looks like they got your cancer when it was small. Fingers crossed you will get a good pathology report. Keep us posted.

  • knmtwins
    knmtwins Member Posts: 598
    edited December 2014

    Welcome Mollymae - looks like you had a BMx, but any recon? Rumor is, recovery is better if no recon. Not sure how long the drains stay in if no recon, it was my drains between the alloderm and the TEs that took 3 weeks to come out. Were you expecting both breasts to be cancerous? If not, and the second was a propholactic removal then lucky you for that choice.

  • Scottiemom11
    Scottiemom11 Member Posts: 1,298
    edited December 2014

    Welcome Mollymae. I was blessed to be able to shower after only two days, per my PS. That said, it was about 5 days before I had the courage to look. I'm really OK with the result.

    Bippy, yeah!!!!!!!!!!

    knmtwins, Experiment not entirely successful. I'm back on some pain meds instead of the motrin, maybe because of my fill on Monday and because I can't take the muscle relaxers. Senekot is my friend and I will try for all motrin again tomorrow.

    Scottie

  • pinkninja9560
    pinkninja9560 Member Posts: 238
    edited December 2014

    I finally got my path report and I'm cancer free!! Best Christmas present ever. Got my drains out as well a few days ago and all I can say is hallelujah! I actually bought a drain belt and I think that helped me to deal with them a lot but I still didn't like them.

    I can't wear most of my camis, soft bras or anything but loose tshirts. Everything irritates my underarms and where they took the nodes out. I tried taking lesser pain meds but that didn't last long. I have to take the Valium and dilaudid or Vicodin because my chest hurts pretty bad. One side of my chest hurts more and the te's are so hard.

    I go for my first fill next month and I hope it doesn't hurt too much.

    Glad to hear everyone is doing well.

  • Chloesmom
    Chloesmom Member Posts: 1,053
    edited December 2014

    2 weeks post BMX. Starting to feel like myself. Went for a long walk and then took a nap. Got all my arm range back, but fighting swelling on the sides of the rib cage. Have been massaging my chest with a soft ball which is really helping to keep things loose

    Was a good girl and let hubby do everything around the house till now. Reaching up night now to get the tea cups off the shelf but nothing heavy. Hard to believe its 5 weeks since diagnosis. Hugs to all my surgery sisters!

  • AJ62
    AJ62 Member Posts: 56
    edited December 2014

    Hello everyone!

    BIPPY!! I had my surgery the same day here in NE Florida too!!

    I had my Bilateral Mastectomy of my left breast on Dec. 17th. My Surgeon took all of my lymph nodes. I am forgetting what it is all called, Sentinel node biopsy with dissection? She said she took them all so I will not have to go through that again as a few nodes were 'hot'. I am not having reconstruction. Oh heck no! I do not mind being boobless at all at age 52!

    I was told I was asking to sit up soon as I was in the recovery room on my bed. I never got sick. YAY! I actually had dinner that night. I was cracking jokes in between the pain. My usual self!

    I came home the next day and while these two JP Drains are cumbersome, I am doing well though my left arm is numb and so tingly from the elbow down so I have a bit of gauze on there, wrapped it up as it hurts for my skin to touch my night gown, and rub against it. Real strange sensation. Its just so weird being so painful there, you know? I have to be careful of lymphedema, mainly cause I am overweight, I am more susceptible to get it so I am slowly exercising my arm, massaging it as well.

    I was cut all the way to my left shoulder, to my back, as she got up into the arm pit. I have dissolving sutures so I will not have to worry about staples. I have about 50 steri strips across my chest.

    I am to start radiation some time in January, closer to February according to my Surgeon as she wants me to heal up from this.

    I am having a home health nurse show up again on Monday, just to check to make sure all is OK with these sutures and my drain.

    I get the two tubes removed, if all goes well on Tuesday. I pray so as I said they are cumbersome and I pin them to my clothes. I have the drains taped to my side a bit but NO tape has really stuck too well to my skin.. not even duct tape!!! So darn annoying.

    So that's been my past week. I am doing OK.. still in a bit of pain though I have medication for that... and I will be carrying on this breast cancer journey as I start rads soon.

    HUGS and HEALING to those of you whom have had surgery and that have been through it --

    Happy Holidays to you and yours! Stay strong sisters!!! YOU CAN DO IT !! *S*

    I have faith in each of us!

    AJ

  • AJ62
    AJ62 Member Posts: 56
    edited December 2014

    I meant to add I get my Patho report on Tuesday as well. When I started this journey my diagnosis was Stage 3 based on the one tumor, size 8x9cm and the second one about 6.3cm. Chemo really helped shrink them down.

    We're going to be starting a new year Ladies, so I pray we all stay positive and strong as we carry on!

    I send each of you healing hugs and love from afar!

  • quiggy
    quiggy Member Posts: 315
    edited December 2014

    Love the inspiration Sandra; guess we all have to adjust our sails.  As the physical pain lessons it should get easier.  

     All of us BC sisters will get stronger.  

    I am looking forward to March when radiation treatments are finished and I can focus on healing and eventually, maybe, some reconstruction.

    Happy New Year!!!

    (((💓))) Quiggy

  • Beachbum1023
    Beachbum1023 Member Posts: 1,417
    edited December 2014

    Hello everyone, I hope everyone has been able to enjoy the Holiday Season! I just had my surgery on December 15, 2014 and I had my drains removed this morning. I just wanted to share a few tips for feeling better.

    I packed my warm robe and slippers for the hospital, a wrap style robe worked well with the drains.

    I took my faux mink throw to cover up when I sat in my recliner to read and have my meals.

    I took plenty to read, mouthwash for dry mouth, lemon drops and lip gloss. And plenty of body lotion to rub on my dry skin.

    I was very fortunate to have very little pain, and I felt great when I woke up in recovery. I made sure I warned them that I always feel sick after surgery so they made sure I had plenty of meds.

    I think the best advice I got was from my chemo nurses. Drink a lot of water, all day every day and my attitude is the most important part of this journey. While not every day is good, it is what we make it. So we all laugh, and we all cry, just some days we do it at the same time! And it feels great to be here to do it another day.

    Good luck to you all, I hope we all have a healthy and happy New Year!

  • quiggy
    quiggy Member Posts: 315
    edited December 2014

    Hi beachbum1023;

    Great to hear you're doing well post surgery.  

    Thanks for the tips and reminder about attitude.  Its easy to feel sad and some days, it's easy to feel ok.  BC changes all of us physically and mentally; in the short AND the long run.

    Rollercoaster journey!

    I try to remember that I'm HERE and to be thankful.  I'm also thankful for this forum and the support we give to each other.

    (((💓))) BC sister

  • Bippy625
    Bippy625 Member Posts: 890
    edited December 2014

    I am glad all sisters seem to be doing so well after surgery! Oh, the node sides sure are sore, but it gets better after drains comeout. I am moving my arms and doing great. Back to walking finally. I need to lose weight and had to stop walking during the last chemo and drain situation. It felt really good to get back to it.

    Sandra, your advice about NOT doing stuff helped me so much. I am sure it saved me from alot of pain. Thank you! And I am thinkin of you and hubster today.

    How wonderful the little things in life are. Last night I was laying in my own warm snuggly bed, with two snuggly little kitties, and thinking about all the times I've taken it for granted. My first shower Was heaven. Being able to do light housework too.

    Hubby and I are going garage saleing and gallivanting around today, what a treat that will be because I haven't left my house since surgery till yesterday and that was to go to get my drains out! I'm going to cook a nice dinner tonight.

    I hope you all have a very good day and remember Sandras advice not to overdo!


  • Robinmich9
    Robinmich9 Member Posts: 10
    edited December 2014

    Hello ladies,

    I had a bilateral mastectomy on December 19th with lymph node removal in one arm. I haven't been able to find a pain med that I can tolerate so I have basically just been taking Tylenol. I have been in a lot of pain - mostly nerve pain due to the lymph node removal. I went in yesterday and had two of my drains removed and I thought that would help somewhat because it was the drains on the side where the nodes were removed. But it did not help with the pain and discomfort. My doctor prescribed Neurontin to help with the nerve pain. I took it last night and so far it has not helped at all. Has anyone else had issues with nerve pain, numbness and tingling from lymph node removal? I have basically been on the couch since my surgery and I am getting tired of this.

    If anyone has any suggestions for relief from this, it would be appreciated.

    My best to you all and Happy New Year!! We are Warrior Sisters in the fight of our lives!

    Robin

  • Scottiemom11
    Scottiemom11 Member Posts: 1,298
    edited December 2014

    Robin, have you tried Tramadol? I can't take most pain meds without anti-nausea meds but have taken Tramadol in the past without problems. Also have you tried any muscle relaxers such as Flexerall or Valium? I can't imagine only Tylenol. I'm still trying to wean off my pain meds to just Motrin & nerve pain is still present.

    Hugs & healing vibes.

    Scottie

  • sandra4611
    sandra4611 Member Posts: 2,913
    edited December 2014

    Robin, I understand what your are feeling since I am seriously allergic to any type of pain med except Tylenol. I have flat-lined four times over the years so I've had all my surgeries with no morphine, pain pump, codeine or any other kind of pain relief. It's a challenge, but I've lived through 6 surgeries since August 2013. You can do this. The pain DOES ease up. Usually after breast surgery it takes about 3 weeks to feel like you've turned the corner. Sometimes it's a bit longer, often it's a bit less.

    Neurontin (aka Gabepentin) is often prescribed to people with nerve issues. Be very careful at the beginning. Start very slowly with about 50 mg at bedtime for a few days, then gradually add another 50 mg for another week. Taking it at night ensures you are functioning with no dizziness or weird feelings during the day. You can begin to add some during the day, taking it slow, until you can do 200 mg each 24 hrs, then up to 300 mg. The first time I was given Gabepentin the doctor gave me 300 mg capsules. (You can't divide those, so make sure you ask for a smaller doseage.) One 300 mg capsule produced lots of weird sensations so I was told not to take more. A year or so later another doctor prescribed it, but this time told me about the 50 mg/gradual process and it worked fine. I took it for several months (not noticing any appreciable difference) but quit (go down slowly too) when I noticed so much memory loss. Turns out that is a common problem. If you are not working it probably wouldn't be a problem, but I was an accountant dealing with taxes, etc and fortunately my assistant convinced me I was forgetting things. Once I had a huge tax report due on a certain day. I worked on it for several days and went to file the copy when I saw I had already done the whole report the week before. I had absolutely no memory of doing it.

  • Bippy625
    Bippy625 Member Posts: 890
    edited December 2014

    seroma here I am!

    got a little one starting on lymph side, no pain, just swollen. Will call doc but from what I have read, it is maybe not a good idea to aspirate and let it resolve?


  • quiggy
    quiggy Member Posts: 315
    edited December 2014

    Oh Bippy625, so sorry.  

    Here's my experience;  I developed a seroma 4 days post surgery.  Could actually hear the fluid "sloshing!" (TMI?)

    Mostly in the breast, some swelling by node surgery site.  Painful and disturbing.

     My doc said our bodies will absorb.  I'm 3 1/2 weeks post surgery now;  it's nearly gone.

    Very glad I didn't push to have it drained! 

    Thanks to Sandra4611, I know part of the problem was I was doing too much.  I listened to our wise sister and stopped over doing it.  I'm convinced that helped.

    Sending you gentle hugs and hopefully your seroma will stay small and resolve quickly!

    (((💓)))

  • Chloesmom
    Chloesmom Member Posts: 1,053
    edited December 2014

    I have been struggling with swelling on both sides concentrated in mid rib area extending back to front edge of shoulder blades. It seems to help if I massage the swelling as well the tight areas in my chest by rolling a soft ball ( I have a fiber fill floating ball for the pool similar to a Nerf) in circles over the areas. I'm wearing a Genie cami top as the compression feels good sort of like ave wrapping a sprained ankle.

    Don't think I was doing too much. Wonder if it's just the glued up areas are impeding the drainage Feels a lot better after I do this.

  • sandra4611
    sandra4611 Member Posts: 2,913
    edited December 2014

    Chloesmom,

    LOL, we never think we are doing too much. Only later when we see the difference when they truly do nothing do they understand. It's a medical fact that activity increases fluid production. Some of us are more prone to it than others so you can't pinpoint what "too much" means in every case. You might be able to go out to dinner with no problem but it's also likely that would set your recovery back, increase your pain level hours later, and make you sorry you ever thought it would be a good idea. I accompanied my daughter to the grocery store at about 4-5 days post op last week. After 10 minutes I knew I'd made an error and was wiped out the rest of the day. One person could vacuum and not have a problem. I wiped a counter and paid for it! You should be doing nothing at two weeks post op. Nothing means get up to go to the bathroom and back to your chair. Nothing means don't reach up to wash your hair - in fact, don't raise any part of your arm higher than your shoulder. Don't start walking your fingers up the wall like some doctors recommend. Sit down and let your body heal. ESPECIALLY when you have a pocket of fluid (a seroma), you have to stop doing anything. Motion creates more fluid. You DO NOT want an infection, which happens even if you are doing everything "right" but the chances increase if your body does not absorb the fluid quick enough. Start noticing any color changes in your skin. Take your temperature and look out for a low grade fever. Those are the first two signs most everyone sees. Just because you have a seroma doesn't mean you will get an infection, but don't take a chance.

    Bippy, some women have to have their seroma drained by the doctor every week for a number of weeks. Others like Quiggy find their body absorbs the fluid quickly when they sit quietly and stop producing so much of it. I know two women who had to go back into surgery and have a drain put back in because it had been removed too early. I know of another woman whose doctor had nicked a lymph node during surgery and was plagued with swelling and pain from a seroma until she went back into surgery and had the lymph node sutured. Don't assume your body will absorb the fluid with no problems. Look for those skin color changes and check your temperature. 

    Just because you can doesn't mean you should.

  • Bippy625
    Bippy625 Member Posts: 890
    edited December 2014

    quiggy and chloesmom, It is hard is isn't it? I am having more emotional reactions now, delayed I guess.

    Sandra, I assumed I could do all sorts of stuff now.....i see that i tried to soon and maybe contributing. And I am monitoring my temp and skin colors, for sure. It is so hard to NOT do stuff. I am so tired of this illness robbing me. Of my money, life, job, breasts, health and any hope of wellbeing. At least it seems that way now....trying to force the normal routine of chores and life, and it is comforting to do that, but not good for healing. My doc is top notch, I will go with his recommendation as to draining. It will be ok.

    I am not doing laundry tomorrow!

    Be well girls

  • AJ62
    AJ62 Member Posts: 56
    edited December 2014

    Since my left bilateral mastectomy surgery on Dec. 17th -- I have had this tingly feeling from my left elbow to my shoulder and I have to have a wrap on it cause I cannot stand my arm pressing against my clothing! Such a weird sensation. Just so odd!

    I already have neuropathy of my hands from the Taxol -- but lords since surgery just having NO feeling of my skin under my arm pit by those steri strips.

    I have been good about doing nothing and have family helping here, I am glad the drains come out Tuesday as I hardly have any fluid in them now to log down.


    This is a new me -- as I am still on this Breast Cancer Journey as we all are here as Breast Cancer Sisters.

    I am thankful for this site and the info Sandra has been posting for sure!

    Stay strong my friends -- Happy New Year to each of you as well too!

    AJ

  • sandra4611
    sandra4611 Member Posts: 2,913
    edited December 2014

    AJ, what you describe is common, unfortunately, for those who've had incisions under their arms. Often it is the back of the arm from shoulder to elbow. It can also be a sign of developing lymphedema.

  • Scottiemom11
    Scottiemom11 Member Posts: 1,298
    edited December 2014

    It seems we're all dealing with the frustrations and wanting the recovery period to be over so that we can move forward. I'm still trying to stop the pain meds. Although I did better for most of the day and hoped to go out to eat, I was too exhausted after only a couple of simple errands with dh. Uggh. I want my energy back and I want the pain gone. Then I remember how blessed I am.

    Baby Steps sisters.

    Scottie

  • AJ62
    AJ62 Member Posts: 56
    edited December 2014

    Sandra -- I was told being I am overweight as it is I have a good chance for developing lymphedema. That sensation from my elbow to under my arm and shoulder just irritates me and I have to keep it wrapped so I will not have that tinglyness rub up against my clothing. UGH!

    I am doing good otherwise. The Steri strips have yet to fall off, they are on there for the long haul I guess. I have dissolving stitches so no worries on those or staples or anything. Thats good.

    I will be glad when the drains are out, Tuesday when I see my Surgeon. I have noticed too that not moving around much has slowed down the fluid. I will be asking about lymphedema with her for sure.




  • Robinmich9
    Robinmich9 Member Posts: 10
    edited December 2014

    Thank you Scottie and Sandra for your advice.

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