Breast Cancer with Implants
I was just diagnosed with breast cancer and my doctor went over my options. He thought a lumpectomy with radiation and hormone therapy would be the best route to go now. However, I had breast implants over 30 years ago. My surgeon thinks that because of that I should have a plastic surgeon there to remove the implant prior to radiation. He said because of the implant, if I undergo radiation my implant will become extremely hard and my breast tissue will also become hard and shrink. As if I wasn't freaked out enough because of the breast cancer, now I have to have my implant removed. Has anyone else had implants with breast cancer? I would appreciate all of the information I can get. I have an appointment with a plastic surgeon on Friday. I really don't want to have my implant removed. I had them put in because of a birth defect, and it made all the difference in my quality of life. Now, it is as if everything is being taken away from me again.
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Hi Topquality - I had implants put in 10 years ago and I had the same thing. When they did my lumpectomy they took out the implant and put in a temp one. They will keep filling it on future visits until it gets larger then the original. The radiation does shrink the implant so you do want to swap it out. If it has been 30 years it is time for new ones. Insurance will pay for both to be replaced, so that's a good thing.
I ended up having to have a mastectomy and they did it again. Now I have to not only make up the volume for the implant, but also the breast tissue they removed. Your PS will give you new and improved boobies! It will all work out!
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I also have implants (16 yrs ago) my PS is removing mine and putting in TE and then eventually the new implants. He was surprised that I never had them switched out (supposedly you are suppose to every 7-12 yrs) My old PS told me 10-15 yrs. One good thing my new PS said is that since I have BC all future swaps of implants are covered by the insurance because it is considered reconstruction not cosmetic anymore.
Regarding radiation and implants he did mention that it can be problematic having radiation with implants/te because of how the skin and implants react to radiation (skin thickening/harder to stretch, shrinking of the implants), but he said if I had to do radiation and the problems arise we would work around it, such as possibly having to remove the implants/te and do it again afterwards. TopQuality, your concerns are definitely something your PS should be able to answer on how they would approach your reconstruction. As Homemom said, it will all work out.
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Thank you so much Home Mom & Mulligan! I guess there might be a little silver lining to all of this - I had no idea you needed to swap out your implants every 7 to 10 years. Since I got mine so long ago, there were the silicone type, and I just never had any problem with them. It has been just such a shock to find out I have BS and then to have my surgeon say I had to have the implants removed to have radiation. I have my appointment with my PS today, and I have a list of questions to ask him thanks to both of you. I realize it is such a small thing to worry about having my implants removed when the BS is what I need to deal with.
Thanks so much!!!
Linda
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With today's implants you do NOT need to swap out at any certain time (7-10 years, 10-15 years). You only need to swap out if there is an issue with the implant or you choose to swap for other reasons (size, etc). Today's silicone implants are very cohesive or truly cohesive and do not have the same concerns with leaking like old implants did. The 10 years thing often comes up because many manufacturers offer 10-year warranties, some patients like to switch out to renew warranty term...as a reconstruction patient you are "covered" anyway if your implant does need replacement. And of course, the PS gets paid for doing another surgery to replace. Both PS's I consulted including my own PS were very, very clear there is no need to replace implants according to some pre-determined schedule and even cautioned against it.
In my opinion, and you should try and limit further unnecessary surgeries as every surgery increases chance of complications - especially as a reconstruction patient who is at risk of needing more revisions in the first place. Be careful about switching implants just because you have been told you should do so every 7-15 years, when there is no other reasons to do so except for that. Obviously if you need surgery to correct an issue, or as you want to have a bigger or smaller implant, that is a different situation.
OP...the concerns are that radiation is difficult on the tissues, you increase risk of capsular contracture when you have implants in a radiated breast as well, whether implant is in there before and after. Also, if your implants are sub-glandular, they will be in the way of treatment. That is not to say you definitely cannot get an implant again after radiation (and yes, they may indeed want to put a tissue expander in there) but there are contradictions to think about.
Also, if you were to choose an MX and reconstruction, I don't want you to think it just means you definitely get "new and improved" breasts. You can indeed get a very good cosmetic result, but that is not a guarantee, they still will differ for natural or augmented breasts even if great cosmetically, there are risks of rippling, low projection, and there are higher risks of complications, and you do NOT keep your pre-existing sensation, may have continued and ongoing pain or nerve damage, and so on. Some women are very happy with their reconstructed breasts, but others aren't, so you really need to weigh the decision that is right for you if you do have option of either LX or MX. After radiation, some women also choose to go with a tissue flap either with or without an implant to decrease risks of capsular contracture, tissue necrosis, etc that exist with Implant reconstruction on a radiated breast.
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Hello Topquailty2, I was diagnosed on 03/11/2014, had no symptoms, just went in for a routine mammogram. I too had breast implants put in in year 2008. Doctor said they were not that old, and you could not see the scars around my nipple. However, I opt to have them replace anyway. My breast oncology performed the lumpectomy,now called a partial mastectomy, she removed the DCIS, obtained clear margins, on my right breast; then my cosmetic surgeon took out the large 525 cc(Saline) breast implants, moved breast tissue around in my right breast, gave me a lift, made the areola smaller, put in a 500cc(Silicone) on the right breast. Because I need the radiation on the right, construction also needed to be done to my healthy breast, because the radiation will shrink the breast tissue on my right.
So, my cosmetic surgeon, removed the 525cc(Saline) breast implant in the left breast, gave me a breast reduction, a lift, and fixed the areola, put a 460cc(silicone) breast implant in the left breast, in order to make the left breast slightly smaller than the right breast, so that after radiation on the right breast they will be the same size. Now, he could not do this with the old breast implants. I felt like you at first, but it was the best decision I made. He did a wonderful job, and they feel so much better.
The only thing that happened is my stage 0 cancer was upgraded to stage 1a after the partial mastectomy; due to a tiny invasive tumor 0.2cm(2mm) was located in the breast tissue via the pathology report. My oncologist recommend chemotheray with Herceptin , due to my cancer is Her2 positive, not responsive to hormone therapy. Although I fell into the grey area to receive chemo because the tumor was so small. Oh, i also hade several micro-invasive foci present, all were less than 1mm. I chose to go through with it, over half way done with chemo, then radiation. Good luck with your decision making.
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This post is about 6 weeks old, but saw it when looking for something related to a new situation.
I had silicone implants about 7 years ago, but they are under the muscle. I had the PS look at them prior to radiation as I kept reading you have a complication more often than not. He said it would be an exception and told me all the things he could do to fix them. I'm almost 3 weeks out of 7 weeks of radiation and they aren't perfect anymore, but they don't look horrible either. He saw them about a week after radiation and said the radiated side got a lift and it did look like that. Said he could lift the other side. I see him again in 3 weeks.
I do feel the radiated side has shrunk, it is flatter, and will probably do something, but my breast surgeon said not to do anything for a year as radiation continues to cause changes for up to a year. For about two weeks after radiation was complete I was still getting swollen on the radiated side. That doesn't seem to be happening anymore so they are starting to make the normal changes that would occur.
If your implants are not under the muscle that would be the reason for taking them out during/prior to surgery. And as mentioned we are all eligible for reconstruction once we have undergone treatment/surgery for BC. Good Luck! -
I have implants, just had my lumpectomy yesterday. I know for certain already I have to have radiation, but no one has said anything about removing my implants. Now I am nervous.
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I had implants. They were the reason I chose a bilateral mastectomy. Rads causes skin changes which can make breast augmentation and reconstruction very difficult later on. I sought the advice of two plastic surgeons, just in case. I did not like the idea that Rads would cause skin changes. I currently have my expanders in, and they look reasonably good
I know the final anatomically formed gummy bear implants will make the affected breast appear much smoother.
I made the choice early on to not have Rads even if it was recommended, as an FYI.
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I am so glad to have found this thread... I should be starting rads( reluctantly) after the holidays. The reason that I say " reluctantly is that I vacillate between doing alternative methods vs traditional protocol which is 33 treatments of external beam rad. My Oncotype was 10 , grade 1 stage 1 DCIS , although after my wire guided recision lumpectomy as well as a 2nd one to get clear margins, they did find a 1 cm IDC . I just settled into that direction when my Mom told me about a news report ( Brian Williams CBS ) . It was all over the health news world that women old actually benefit from fewer rads , higher doses , thus making treatment shorter with less side effects. So, not only am I freaking about that & wondering if myRO will be open to that but then I start doing more in depth research on implants & rads. Mine are over 20 yrs & have absolutely never given me problems. I have a huge amount of scar tissue that has lessened a bit with massage.Now I'm wondering if the rads will exasperate it. I had no options or mention of having them removed. I have been having so much anxiety over all these decisions, especially when I find more info out. I'm trying to be fully informed but now I feel that I've gained enough info just to be confused even more. Sigh..... I'm thankful to be able to vent here. Thankful that there seems to be some hope tho in plastic surgery after this is all over @justachapter & that new implants would still be considered reconstruction & be covered under ins.
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Hi! I have implants under the muscle (silicone). Have had them for 6 years, and many Dr's will tell you that, rads and implants don't do well together. I underwent 35 rad treatments, and if anything the radiated breast now looks better, it got a lift. It has been 6 months and I'm waiting to see what happens. As a whole they are not as perfect as they were, and one day I may see what I can do but my radiated breast looks pretty good!
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Justachapter, did you deal with any scar tissue from your lumpectomy surgery? I certainly did but hopefully, the rad won't make it worse. Thanks for sharing your encouraging news!
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Cath57, yes and I have my first post rad mammo tomorrow (6 months) there is an area that really bothers me, so am interested to see what is going on in that one area. Mine was at at 3:00 position though so was on the side. My whole breast, and side chest wall were radiated. Plus it was close to the skin, so I had a bolus the entire time including during the 10 boosts a new one was made.
I did not deal with capsular contraction though and the PS said more often than not you do have issues. They did a great job and of course they looked much better prior to all this, well they looked really good. They don't look terrible now....I have battle scars. -
yes, JustaChapter, battle scars
. Hope all goes well with your Mammo!
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Thanks Cath57. Mammo not so well. I'm sure everything will be fine, but near my scar there appears to be a cyst, but even with U/S Dr wasn't positive, so first they will try and aspirate, and depending on what happens biopsy. I have faith it is nothing major, it has only be 6 months post Rad, what is hard is I just want to get on with my life and every time I turn around, it is the gift that keeps on giving.
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Ohhh , justachapter, so sorry that you have to deal with this.... moment by moment, just breathe, bless you!!! keep me posted!
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hi, I am not sure if my history ll help, I had implants when I was diagnosed with bc. I had chemo then surgery they took the implants and replaced them with expanders,then I had 6 weeks of rad with the expanders then had to wait 6 months with the expander in order to have an exchange to implants. Anyway the rad side once it was radiated it somehow heal very fast and yes I had muscle contraction so another surgery on August to change implants and release the internal scaring. So yes there is a lot of Se with rad and implants but over all I agree with the others the rad breast looks way better at the long run.
Have a wonderful xmast all of you
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thank you enerva for sharing! I wish I would've have been given options but hopefully all will work out.merry Christmas to you!
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thanks, just keep positive it does gets better, it's a very slow healing process but in two years. Two years it took me to heal and be able to function somewhat normal again
Take care
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wow! 2 yrs....... Just a life changing learning process, huh?
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;( in deed
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Enerva , here we go!
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Cath57, hope you are ok just wanted to say hi, well I am not 100 % happy with my new implants lol as you may know it just never gets to what we once had. I have no fat around mine so I feel the plastic literally when I touch them and even when I look at them I see the lines its just not what I hope for. I must accept them now since I am quite sure this is what I will end up with. My right breast where I had rad is worse the internal scar tissues are hard and visible plus the breast turns to the side significantly. Hope you are having better luck.
Take care keep in touch
sending hugs to all of you out there whom have implants.
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Hi Ladies, I bookmarked this and other threads because of my particular interest in others' experiences with implant reconstruction and radiation. My update: I had NSBMX three days ago. Tissue Expanders were inserted and filled to 250cc. (I had existing implants, and therefore, an existing pocket). The girls look REALLY weird, but PS tells me not to get hung up on the appearance now. I will go in for one of two more fills and have the TE's swapped with implants BEFORE radiation. I have started posting pics on the picture forum if anyone is curious.
I am really concerned about how things will ultimately turn out, but PS tells me there are things we can do with fat grafting to address any issues that may arise after radiation. The non-cancerous breast definitely has more fat remaining. I'm thinking my once cancerous breast will need fat to smooth things out eventually.
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Hi, well me too i had a NSBMX and yes i have been told that fat grafting can help but in Canada where i live Dr. do not offer it. Its like i need to be greatful they save my life and that i shoud be happy with what ever. Oh yes the " do not worry about appearance right now speech " in my case i had to fight to save my skin and nipples. This doctors here in Canada are the worse. All they care is about the chemo and the Rad they will use on you they have no interest about the way you will feel after it is all done. I hope you have better luck i am ok not 100% satisfied but ok since i manage to look great on cloth. I am very shy now so i will stay single for a wile. It is not a body i am proud to show any one without the cloth. The radiation really damage the tissues and it can take more than one surgery t get close to where we were before this nightmare came. Again everybody is different hope your body reacts well. Take care and keep in touch. this August it will be a year since my last surgery in which i had new implants and pocket correction. in one year already lost balance again and things are again not looking great. We shall see what the PS says when i see him next.
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Just checking in and updating my progress. I had NSBMX on July 7th with TE filled 250cc from the jump. Since then, I have had three fills to a total of 525cc. The first two fills of 75 and 100cc were totally uneventful. I took pain meds one hour prior to the fill,just in case. Only felt a slight sting as the needle was inserted but no discomfort whatsoever afterwards. I think the pocket created by the previous implants really helped. The last fill... Well, the TE are hard as brick and I did have discomfort in my chest and back for about 3 days. For the first time, I became self conscious when an old friend went to hug me. I'm sure they felt weird. I ended up giving a guy I was going out with for the 3rd date a heads up. He hugged me at the end of our date and later confirmed they felt pretty hard. We have been able to laugh about it, thankfully. The TEs do look good in my bra and clothing. Still, I am anxious for the swap to implants. The exchange surgery is scheduled for September 9th. Radiation will start about 3 weeks later.
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I was diagnosed a couple of weeks ago, and next Wed. have to make the decision on Mastectomy or Lumpectomy. I've had my saline implants that are under the muscle for 15 years now and am fretting about the possibility that it will be deformed. The more information I get, it seems the more on the fence I am on what to do. I'm more afraid of making the wrong decision than I am the cancer today. I read on this forum that they will replace both implants and insurance covers that.
How long between the initial surgery and radiation treatments do you have to wait to get them replaced?
Does anyone have any advice to offer on mastectomy versus lumpectomy? Thanks!
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tmcfizer, it depends on so much! Everyone's decision becomes uniquely their own. After chemo, I had the option of lumpectomy or mastectomy of one or both breast. In the very beginning, I was hoping for the lumpectomy option and I would have kept my existing implants. If some extra repair was needed because of a dent for example, there would have been options to improve the appearence. Ultimately I decided I would worry less about recurrence or a new cancer having a BMX. I also felt I would have a better shot at ending up with two similar breasts that I liked by having them both reconstructed. That remains to be seen, but I'm feeling so far, so good. Some doctors think implants after radiation is the better route to go than implants before radiation. Again, I'm getting implants before radiation. Surgery was July 7. Because I already had pockets behind the chest muscles due to the existing implants, I got tissue expanders and 250cc of fill right away. Direct implants were an option, but PS though some expansion would be better. By August 20 I was filled to 525cc. My original implants were 475cc. I will have the expanders swapped out for implants on Septwmber 9. Radiation will start about three weeks after that. I had my surgical drains a little longer (just over two weeks) and my PS chose not to do any additional fills while the drains were in. Then, I asked that the exchange surgery be scheduled after Labor Day because of my sister's wedding. It could have been at least one week earlier.
I have (had) dense breast tissue. I found my own lump and feel earlier mammograms may have failed me. I am her2+ and had a rather larger, aggressive tumor. Going through all of this has not been fun. All these things also led to my decision to have the BMX.
I think having had implants made me less bothered by the idea of losing my real breast. I do want to look good and feel good however, and my PS has me feeling that that's very achievable.
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hi I just want to tell you.research about Nipple sparing mastectomy if you are going for the mastectomy try to save your skin and nipples I did and it was the best decision I made .Now the rad side gives me a bit of trouble bit my breast look normal and I am happy I kept my body as normal as possible.
Please research as much as u can and do not let the ps make decisions for you.
Good luck
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