When to let go or take a break from family that are harmful?
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Tang i get it......very early days for you yet, be kind to yourself........
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Tang, my PCP ( general practitioner ) is a young, ( your age ), female. I played tennis with her for years before going to her as my Dr.
She is great. She has tried to reinforce the fact that "our" dx, being stage 3 is very distressing. Having PTSD is pretty normal in our situation. If we could be confident that it wouldn't come back, we would bounce back quickly. Our risk of reoccurrence is scary. I have 2 good friends. Both dx with stage 1, both doing excellent. There risk was very small.
Getting back to our carefree, emotional health, could take a long time. I, also am so sick of thinking about it. It consumes my thoughts all the time. I keep super busy, which is a distraction.
Can you send your mom a card with a short note, or text her without having to talk to her?
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Let's see... a few more nuggets of wisdom.... LOL
We are not our parents. No matter what they went through, it is not the same as what we are going through. No two humans ever have the EXACT same experience. Many of us, though, learn to be empathetic.
Oh.... by the way.... did I post this video here? I love it. Dr. Brenet Brown.... The Power of Empathy.... very moving.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Evwgu369Jw
Aw, Tang... if you are really feeling bad about having no contact with Mom, then I agree with Holeinone... perhaps a brief card acknowledging you're sorry that Grandma is so ill, and how hard it is on the family. Keep it brief and generic. You are not wanting a reunion, or a return to the bad old times, you just want to keep the lines of communication open.
OR - are you feeling that way out of guilt? Maybe it's still "Break Time" for you and Mom.
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I absolutely agree that medication for anxiety and depression can be wonderful tools... but my personal bias is that they work best when used in conjunction with talk - or, Behavioral - therapy.
I found the most awesome therapist through my MO - she was a woman who specialized in cancer patients. If there is no one like that in your area, see if perhaps there is an LCSW who works with people with chronic illnesses. Often the emotions are the same.
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We didn't get this way overnight (thanks, Parents...) so it might be a long road to recovery, but there IS help out there, and we DON'T have to feel this bad about ourselves or family situations. Therapy teaches us new coping skills that we never thought (or knew) we'd need to learn.
We can't change others, but we sure can change the way we react to others. We can learn to rebuild our confidence and our self-worth, and our inner strength so that each day is a joy rather than a struggle.
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And one of these days I'll talk about forgiveness... not for those that hurt us, but for US. There are things that happened in my family that I will NEVER forget. But you know what? I forgive those people. (Like I said, it must suck to be them.)
If I forgive them, they no longer are allowed to take up valuable real estate in my head. I need that space for myself. My HEALTHY self. I forgive them and let them go.
Sometimes the stars align, and the forgiveness can heal a broken relationship. But that shouldn't be the reason you do it. You do it for the peace it gives you. It in NO WAY takes away the responsibility of the other person, or wipes away any wrongdoing.
You just give yourself permission to say "This happened in the past. I can't change it. I can't change who you are. I can't make you admit anything. I can only be responsible for creating the life I want for myself, and your actions of the past can no longer be a part of that. I forgive you, and I forgive ME. Now I am moving forward, leaving those hurts, habits, and hangups behind."
That's a hard place to get to sometimes. But it makes life so much easier.... no psychodrama, no toxic relatives, just peace and harmony once we learn how to look at things differently.
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We are all just a work in progress! But DANG! We are incredible women!
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Thanks, Blessings
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I'm having an insomnia night, after a stressful day at work I don't know why I can't sleep. So...I go to FB to look around and this is what I see posted by my mother.
I've decided that I wont spend another holiday in the punishment seat, blame seat, "you're a piece of shit for a parent" seat, "you said the wrong thing and im not telling you what it was" seat...and basically another holiday with me trying to figure out where to find a replacement family to get through the lonliness and hurt...im going to make plans to do other things this Christmas within my means. and while im at it, im stepping out of the scapegoat role explained in the ...next post here. im not the only parent in the family here. I've gone over myself with a fine tooth comb, with sponsors, counselors, therapists, pastors trying to see where I went wrong. I've done the excruciating work of recovery for a long time..i a dmit like anyone else, im flawed. but I am a human being, and no human wants to be lonely,abandoned excluded and generally de valued. and that is EXACTLY what I've permitted to take place in order to have a few crumbs thrown at me from time to time. so - go spend your Christmas with the ones who are worthy of your time and value, im done with this bullshit period. My role was mother- not mother fucker.
I sent her a PM telling her why I was taking a break, I probably should have done it sooner. BUT this is the sort of crap that I get from her on a fairly regular basis.
anyway, I only shared this because I literally felt so angry after reading this that I wanted to really go off on her. I didn't, but I do think I got my point across that I'm not dealing with the BS anymore.
I really am going to look into some talk therapy in the new year. I do take an antidepressant, but I've been on it for awhile and I wonder if it helps much anymore.
Thanks for the support ladies, sometimes it is ALL I have from those who get it.
((hugs))
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Tangadang, SORRY......
She has escalated, I remember, as a child, my mom fighting with her sister & my father. As we aged, she went after my sis & I.
I do not know Facebook, but is there a delete button, like there is here? She really needs to delete that.
How sad....you need to take care yourself & your family. Tough time for you. Do you have siblings that will confront her? Believe me, I wouldn't. I hate confrontation. Blessings will have better advice.
Wish I could make this easier for you....hugs, Hi Ho
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Wow, Tang. (((hugs)))
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Tang, I am hugging you. She is escalating things to see if she can get some attention. When I took a break from my mother, she said things to the whole family to cut everyone in the family off from me. I didn't have any contact with anyone for those years. Some still don't speak to me. Your mother might be trying to assemble her 'story.' Your situation is very familiar to me!
Of course there isn't anything you can do to stop her. Can you 'block' her from FB? I don't have FB. Can you not go on her site? You are going to have to have a 'media blackout.'
Talk therapy is a good idea. Shop around. You deserve the best. Sometimes I think we spend more time shopping for an outfit than we do a therapist! Get one you really like. Sending you big hugs and hopes that you create a peaceful oasis for yourself. You deserve it. XXXXOOOO
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There is a block function and I can't delete her post, only she can.
Thanks for listening to all this crap. I'm embarrassed and angered by it at this point.
((hugs))
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Wowza tang. Disconnect. That is unbelievable. You need some peace. You've made a valiant effort, now save yourself. Ugg.
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wow, Tang....do what you have to do to have inner peace.
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Tang, I would "unfriend" her on FB and block her posts. You don't need to see that crap popping up on your wall. I hope you find a good talk therapist. We are here when you need to vent. (((hugs)))) -
I went to the 12 step Adult Children of Alcoholics (and dysfunctional families) meetings (ACOA)and found it helpful. It is different than other 12 step programs, non confrontational, you work the steps when you wish, when you are ready in the intensity you wish. I learned so much listening to others share, much more than I thought I would.
I wish you well as you work through your, "stuff."
Ginger
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Hi gingerbrew
Ironically my mother attends those meetings....so I don't know if I want to align myself with that at this point. Although I can and do see the benefit of such a thing.
My mom deleted the post from FB, however my dh responded to her post in a less than nice way. I didn't know this until last evening when he showed me. Part of me cringed, but the other part felt good that he stood up for me. anyway, all of this seems so immature in a way....this FB crap. But it does run deeper and has been going on for so long.
((hugs)) to you all!
I still want to do coffee
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Hi Tang and ginger! I am in the same boat as Tang, so I am not exactly an expert. But I was just thinking... what if we just ignored all bad behaviour? I have been doing that lately, as best I can. What if I just totally ignore my mother?
Sometimes she does things I can't ignore... things in front of the kids, she'll say inappropriate things... so I have tried to restrict her access to the kids to larger groups (where she is busier).
What do you think?
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Tang, Sweetie.... things are escalating for your mom. It's that time of year. And part of her knows how crazy she is, as evidenced by her taking down that ugly post. Remember, it SUCKS to be her.
Here is something I discovered about Facebook.... there are people who I accepted their "Friend Request" only to find out that their posts made me want to self-medicate in a major way. Argh! What trash! But still, I wanted access to their posts, if only to find out what might be going on with them or other people I was not "FB friends" with.
I found that if you go to Mom's home page, there will be a box near the top that says "FOLLOWING". If you uncheck that box, you will no longer see Mom's rants on your news feed.
But if you get to feeling curious, maybe to see if she has been miraculously healed (!!!) you still have the ability to type in her name in the SEARCH box at the top, and see what she has been posting.
This gives YOU all the control about what you see, and you avoid the hassle of unfriending her and perhaps changing your mind later.
Still..... it's painfully obvious that despite her time with "sponsors, counselors, therapists, and pastors", she has NOT done the work of Recovery. She is still filled with rage. And anyone in her line of fire needs to remove themselves to a safe place.
I'm really sorry it's that bad, and I'm really sorry that she has not learned a thing from what she says she has endured. It's one thing to say "I'm a flawed human being", but quite another to spew her venom on everyone else for treating her like crap.
When we go through Recovery (whether it's a 12 step program or not), one of the things we do is take an honest assessment of our actions, be accountable, and apologize to those we have hurt. We do not acknowledge our flaws, then find others to blame for them.
And while I'm on the subject , organizations like ACA (Adult Children of Alcoholics) and Co-Dependents Anonymous, and others are incredibly valuable for those adults just figuring how how their childhood experiences made their adult "normal" go so haywire.
Here is another suggestion, and it may not be for everyone. There is an organization called Celebrate Recovery, and it is a Christian-based program for anyone in the world who has a hurt, a habit, or a hangup. It's totally family oriented, and feels like a family gathering. The meetings start with a shared meal together (donations only if you can), and there is free child care available.
Then there is a big group meeting, with lots of praise and worship songs from the band, and on alternating nights, either a testimony from a member who has gotten past the unspeakable, or a short lesson from the leader. These large meetings are boisterous and filled with singing and laughter, and if it's your first time, you will be welcomed like a long-lost relative. OR - you can sit quietly on the sidelines and not be bothered if that's your choice.
Your first meeting will be a chance to sit down one-on-one with the leader, to find out a bit about the things that are hurting you. You will be assigned to a small group, and groups are segregated by sex: men's groups and women's groups. During Small Groups you can share or pass - your choice. There's no cross-talk; no one will tell you what you SHOULD do. You just get the feeling that you are not alone.
After Small Groups, everyone meets again for dessert and coffee, and the evening is over.
Many Celebrate Recovery groups plan outings and weekend activities for those who may be struggling with loneliness, or difficulty, especially during the holidays.
Here is their website - there is always a meeting close to you. Use the CR GROUPS pull down menu to find the Group Locator tab.
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Bobo: I like the idea of restricting your Mom's access to the kids to a bigger group. There is more to distract her. I think that is good move on your part.
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Bobo and Blessings and the rest of the girls on this thread you have great advice. I hope it helps you Tang.
I have no answers. Your mother sounds like she's in bad shape emotionally and I have really no idea how anyone can unravel such damage.
Take care of yourself Tang and if it's too much then keep your distance best you can. I've had no contact with my niece since posting here about 4 weeks ago and I'm sleeping better now. It's hard to make hard decisions but sometimes it must be done. Blessings gives great advice for being able to get some clarity on these situations.
Hugs to everyone
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