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  • WheelyGirl
    WheelyGirl Member Posts: 181
    edited December 2014

    Just wondering if anyone else has had side effects of the anti nausea medicines...I was feeling really bad yesterday morning and decided to look up the side effects of those meds and lo and behold all of the things I was feeling were listed there.  I haven't taken any of those since yesterday morning about 6 and really feel very much like myself today other than no true appetite.  Making a mental note to check with Dr Wednesday.  I have not been sleeping at all...finally got a few hours last night after taking 2 Benadryl and regular dose of Xanax then 4 hours later 2 more Benadryl.  Managed to get about 6 hours off and on.  Anyone else experiencing the sleeplessness?  Any suggestions?

  • leftyloo
    leftyloo Member Posts: 23
    edited December 2014

    hi wheelygirl - it is incredible how much better i feel with either eaten or vapourized marijuana in my system! it gives me an appetite and takes away any nausea.

    if you can swing it, i say try it

  • blueflowers
    blueflowers Member Posts: 46
    edited December 2014

    Hi ,

    Thanks for all the useful advice and suggestions from all of you.

    I start my chemo on Dec 17, I am eating healthy and balanced meals now, and staying hydrated. Do you have any suggestions regarding types of food to eat - like soup, pasta ?? My oncologist said during chemotherapy the digestive system is really messed up. So , I am thinking ahead to find out what kinds of food to have in hand. I know with SE and nausea - everyone is different, but still I would like to have a general idea. Also, I am Indian , so I am used to spicy foods, which I know I will have to avoid.

    Take care and thanks.

  • bonnied
    bonnied Member Posts: 74
    edited December 2014

    Hi blueflowers,

    Welcome to our cozy little group. Good for you choosing good healthy choices and hydrating. Beginning these habits early will make you be able to ease into chemo and come through and not have to worry about getting the right foods to eat.

    You mentioned being Indian.. I love indian cuisine and cooking it as well. The first thing i think of are the dals and kitchari dishes that are easy on the system and provide nourishment at the same time. Are you veg or non-veg? I am thinking that you can have spices but maybe take it easy for a few days post chemo session on the hotter spices. I had no problem having anything with ginger in it this past week (I started Dec1 like a few others here). When I think comfort food in indian cuisine the dals and kitchari and various rice dishes are the ones I think about. Maybe stay away from tomato or cream based dishes since those may mess with your system in a compromised state.

    Do you enjoy cooking? I may be able to find some nice recipes that are easy that will be good during chemo. Think about what you like for breakfast too since that is an important time to nourish yourself when waking.

    Feel free to join our secret FB group if you are interested. Just send me your email in a PM and i will invite you. It is a cozy group over there that visits here too. xoxo Bonnie

  • Cjfishergal
    Cjfishergal Member Posts: 33
    edited December 2014

    Hi ladies,

    Akitagirl - I am sending you positive vibes and energy your way! I think you will need it with your busy week planned!! And thanks for the tips!

    Bonnied - I too wonder why were chosen...not the Why Me thing...I am not feeling sorry for myself. Many people say this will make me stronger, bring my family together...etc. I wonder.

    blueflowers - i hear it's like being pregnant too...trial and error. my go to when pregnant rice cakes!

    I am going shopping for a wig Tuesday before the "ickiness" sets in. We told our children (6&8) that I am getting special medicine and that I will be a bit more tired and will look different...no hair. Both seemed okay with the idea as long as I don't pick up them up from school without a hat on!

    Wishing you all great week ahead!

    Connie

  • Akitagirl
    Akitagirl Member Posts: 142
    edited December 2014

    Hey Leftyloo - since recreational marijuana is actually legal here in my beautiful state of Colorado, I might take you up on that idea of edible marijuana. I am down 5 pounds already in less than a week and do not have much more to spare. Just no appetite and my tastebuds are completely fried.

    Last night I hosted our weekly small group from church, but asked everyone else to bring all the food, including the main dish. I was so frustrated, as everyone brought pre-made/processed/finger food crud! However, the major blessing in all of this, was the lovely friend who took me to chemo, stopped by much earlier and had made me a lovely spinach salad with fruit and yummy veggies and this completely "to die for" salad dressing. It was kind of sweet/asian tasting. Along with that, she dropped off a fresh container of feta cheese and made me promise to hide it away from everyone else, as it was only for me and my girls while my husband is away. Once I kicked everyone out at 7, I immediately made myself a salad and It. Was. Perfect. Praise God for such wonderful friends and always providing exactly what I need, when I need it.

    Thought that story might cheer some folks up! Never give up, there is always a helping hand of love around the corner.

    Akitagirl

  • leftyloo
    leftyloo Member Posts: 23
    edited December 2014

    yay, akitagirl! i'm so glad you live in a civilized place where educated and openminded decisions are made!

  • leftyloo
    leftyloo Member Posts: 23
    edited December 2014

    it's day 4 after 1st round of chemo (of 4 rounds), and i feel the most energetic yet.

    i'm getting used to the weird random pains and general achyness, the non-appetite (except after ingesting marijuana, of course), the sore throat that comes and goes, the neupogen leg stabs from my sweet bf, and i find i'm REALLLY sluggish in getting my day started - like i could sleep all day if i stayed in bed.

    while posting my shorn locks to chemodiva today at the post office, i had a gush of a NOSEBLEED today ... which was a bit embarrassing.

    in fact every time i give my nose a blow, it's a pink mucous mix... anyone else have this?

  • blueflowers
    blueflowers Member Posts: 46
    edited December 2014

    Thanks Bonnied,

    I definitely plan to have light kichri, and dal soups. I am non - vegetarian. Soplease send me any recipes you might have that will be gentle on my chemo stomach..

    What about yogurt - is that ok for the stomach ? I am getting so much suggestions from friends around, and someone told me to avoid dairy products - but I love yogurts, and make smothies with fruits every day - so I was concerned? And also my all time fav coffee - did you ladies have tea or coffee during chemo ?

    As the day dawns near, I am getting more and more nervous. Wednesday I am going to try out some wigs, but the lady said its better to get it when I lose my hair, but I don't want to wait till the last minute. And I still haven't been able to compose myself to cut off my hair, funny part is -I am going to loose my hair in the first week of the year - I can't imagine how the rest of the year will be.

  • Charlottesmommy
    Charlottesmommy Member Posts: 36
    edited December 2014

    Blueflowers,

    You should pretty much stick with whatever makes it past your taste buds and doesn't bother the stomach. The week after my first round, I stuck with scrambled eggs, rice krispies and tuna, watered down juice or tea to drink. Coffee tasted nasty. After about day 10, my taste buds were more normal, and coffee tasted passable, but still not quite right. Cold drinks tasted better. Suck on ice during the infusion, it reduces the taste side effects.

  • farmdau56
    farmdau56 Member Posts: 42
    edited December 2014

    Hi all...starting chemo. on Wednesday and have a couple questions for those of you who have already started. I'm supposed to start the dexamethasone tomorrow, am and pm. and am worried about side effects. How did you tolerate? Were you able to sleep nite before chemo.? Also wondering whether or not to start taking glutamine powder. Onc. says to take it, but NP said to start with claritin and see how it goes.

    Pretty nervous about it all, but I stocked up on supplies (so many good tips from all of you!) and feel ready. It will be great to have the first round over with!

    Blueflowers: I didn't wait to get a wig...went with a friend who helped me pick one out and got my hair cut short on Saturday. I figured I might not feel up to this once I start chemo. If I'm on schedule, should be losing my hair right around Xmas Eve...

  • LauraW68
    LauraW68 Member Posts: 100
    edited December 2014

    Just a quick update about this past chemo week for me.

    First chemo, December 1st.

    I was nervous as all get out that day but the nurses reassured me and I did fine and everything went well.

    Day 1 after chemo was my worst for nausea. Plus I had a bit of a sunburn like rash that didn't hurt or itch along with a little bit of swelling that was from the steroids. Took benadryl and the rash went away. This was also the day for my neulasta shot. I took my claritin but it didn't work for me.

    Day 2 after chemo was my worst for pain and swelling. Pain from the neulasta shot because the claritin didn't work. Nurse Practitioner at my MO's office said I could try Zyrtec next time to see if that worked for me. I was so swelled and in so much pain. I made an appointment to see her or my MO on Day 3. The swelling was still there just a little less but she said we could lower the dosage of my steroids at my next chemo treatment to see if that helped.

    I did have some bathroom issues Day 1 after chemo until yesterday, but Immodium quickly helped that each day.

    Days 4 - 6 I was a tired and would tire out a lot faster doing things I used to do easily.

    Yesterday and Today I am starting to feel like my ol' self again. I woke up feeling like I actually had got some sleep instead of tossing and turning all night.

    No mouth sores, no headaches, no vomiting with this chemo session. PRAISE GOD!

    Next Chemo is Monday, December 15th.

  • ShellyL
    ShellyL Member Posts: 1
    edited December 2014

    I am starting TC tomorrow, 4 rounds every three weeks followed by 4 weeks radiation. I will certainly be reading the posts here.

  • Moderators
    Moderators Member Posts: 25,912
    edited December 2014

    Hi Shelly, Welcome to the BCO community. We are so glad that you reached out and joined this supportive and informed group of those who share experiences. We wish you the best of luck through your treatment and we encourage you to keep posting and let us know how things go for you. The Mods

  • leftyloo
    leftyloo Member Posts: 23
    edited December 2014

    hi farmdau56,

    i also was/am averse to taking the steroid dexamethasone.

    i took it, as instructed, the night before my first chemo, and then i forgot i needed to take it the morning of the first chemo. turns out they filled me with it through the IV before the cytoxan/taxotere anyway... and by dinner that night i felt flushed and puffy (as are the methasone side effects) and i reluctantly took another dose with supper. the next day i talked to an oncology nurse and she said that as long as i was able to eat and not vomit (and i was, thanks to my marijuana intake), it probably wasn't necessary, BUT she did recommend to continue taking the single dose the night before each chemo treatment.

    so that's what i'm going with... next treatment is christmas eve - i'll let you know how it goes.

    also, i think my nosebleeds may be attributed to the claritin (supposed to be useful for bone pain from the neupogen injections). it would seem plausible that claritin is drying out my nasal passages more than the canadian winter already does, so i asked the nurse and she agreed. she recommended substituting one extra-strength tylenol three times/day, BUT ONLY if i adhered to a strict regimen of taking it AT THE SAME TIME through the day, so that's another thing i'm trying on this crazy trip...

    strength to all of my chemo sisters!

  • WheelyGirl
    WheelyGirl Member Posts: 181
    edited December 2014

    Hello LeftyLoo, we will be in chemo together on Christmas Eve - I which you the best and will be thinking of you that day.  Hope the next side effects are no worse than the first, they have been tolerable.


     

  • bnicoledavis1
    bnicoledavis1 Member Posts: 2
    edited December 2014

    Thanks so much everyone that have shared their experiences thus far, you all are lifesavers. My first treatments is scheduled for 12/18, I'm so anxious/nervous.

    I'm scheduled for 4 rounds of AC followed by 4 rounds of Taxol and Herceptin every two weeks for 16 weeks. Looking forward to sharing my experience with you next week.


  • bonnied
    bonnied Member Posts: 74
    edited December 2014

    blueflowers, So much to think about now, huh! I agree with Charlottesmommy in having what you are used to including yogurt. Try them in small amounts the days after chemo and see how your body reacts. I personally love yogurt and had some last week with my breakfast with no issues. It is a probiotic and good for the gut. I think anything in moderation avoiding fried foods, maybe tomato based foods (acid) and spicy foods at least for now. Keeping your protein intake up will be important during chemo but be careful not to eat so much that makes you also gain weight! The second week you may feel more like normal food wise. I hear the steroids make you want to eat more so just gotta watch that too. I made a curried butternut squash soup last night that was delicious..and enough to freeze for later too. It was pretty easy.

    I had some coffee a few days after chemo and it tasted different, not bad just different and I love coffee now and then. Chai might be nice too with its warming and healing spices. I think aloo gobi would be nice too because its gentle and still has nice spices too.

    Think of the comfort foods you have always liked and focus on having those available.

    xoxo

    bonnie

    PS - I am friends with an indian chef (Suvir Saran) from whom I have learned so much regarding home indian cooking. His first book Indian Home Cooking has some great foods that might be good and fairly easy to make..He is veg but there are chapters on chicken and meats too. I think i have cook thru the book. There is a hara keema with spinach and fresh mint that might be good. It is made with ground beef but i bet you could substitute other ground meats too. Spicy peas with ginger might be good too….not too hot. You can always adjust the heat ingredients on any recipes.

  • Cjfishergal
    Cjfishergal Member Posts: 33
    edited December 2014

    HI farmdau56 - i had no side effects from the dexamethasone. The chemo nurse told me the hardest part was the "come down" the day after you finish taking it.

    Welcome to the group ShellyL - wishing you all the best for tomorrow. You are brave - we are all behind you.

    So far for me...the scariest part of Day 1 was all in my head. The actual chemo part was just like getting a regular IV for me. The only difference - it didn't hurt! The nurses are amazing at their job.

    In the evening I was super cold - but I do live up in northern Alberta in Canada... so that could have something to do with it ;-)

    Day 2 - killer headache in the morning...it went away throughout the day. Nauseau - none. However I did take a pill as a precaution. I don't want to scare my children.

    Went to try on wigs today...so many choices. Lace front, synthetic, real hair, and the one that looks the most real. Can't remember what it's called. Fun times ahead.

    I do have some bad tummy cramps - I hope it's not a side effect of the loose kind!

    Wishing you all the best!

    Connie

  • SpecialK
    SpecialK Member Posts: 16,486
    edited December 2014

    For those on taxanes I would recommend icing your nails - fingers and toes - I used bags of frozen peas.  Nail lifting and loss are side effects associated with taxane agents.  I also held crushed ice in my mouth during the Taxotere infusion - starting at tx#2 - I did get mouth sores - a lot of them - on tx#1.  After I started icing, no problem.

    farmdau - L-Glutamine is for anti-neuropathy, Claritin is for bone pain from Neulasta - they do different things.

    lefty - Taxotere, and all chemo agents, dry out tissues - particularly in moist areas.  I used Aquaphor in my nose, on it and in it - put it on a q-tip, put it up the nostril, and then pinched my nose to squish it around.  By mid chemo I was using Aquaphor as moisturizer on my face, on my feet with socks at night, and on my hands with cotton gloves.  I will leave you to guess where else I put it, lol!

  • farmdau56
    farmdau56 Member Posts: 42
    edited December 2014

    Hi SpecialK--thanx for the clarification about glutamine. I'll have to ask the NP about it again. My chemo packet says to take it for joint/muscle pain,which isn't quite the same as neuropathy. Anybody take the glutamine with good results?

    Just had a delicious "pre-chemo" dinner that my husband prepared: Italian style sauteed pork loin with carrots and broccoli and some delicious roast potatoes. Wonder what I'll feel like eating tomorrow??

    Talked to a friend whose son went through chemo. and she told me that Canada Dry ginger ale (this specific brand) is the thing to have on hand. Wouldn't you know, I already bought mini bottles of Schweppes GA!

    Now, what to take along to chemo. in terms of "entertainment"? Will I feel like reading? Or will I just want to close my eyes and zone out?

    My best to all of you! Hope we will all have a good night's sleep...

  • bonnied
    bonnied Member Posts: 74
    edited December 2014

    I am taking L-glutamine powder as a mouth rinse then swallow to prevent mouth sores and esophageal issues. It is gentle and so far no issues or sores. Heath food stores have it. I think you can have three times a day or after each meal.

    Think light eating day your chemo. Maybe no cream soups like broths and no tomato base soups. The cream and tomato might aggravate a sensitive stomach post chemo.

    Find fresh ginger to keep in your fridge. Use it to make ginger tea w lemon or to make a ginger syrup that you can make your own healthy version of ginger ale.

    >; ). Bonnie

  • SheriCMT
    SheriCMT Member Posts: 1
    edited December 2014

    I started chemo two weeks ago I have my second round on December 18th

  • SpecialK
    SpecialK Member Posts: 16,486
    edited December 2014

    I took 30g of L-Glutamine powder (10g dissolved in a cold drink 3x a day) and a B6 capsule to prevent neuropathy from Taxotere.  I had tingling in hands and feet that resolved by the next tx until about #5, then it stayed.  It eventually resolved by about 90 days PFC.

    When deciding about food it is good to remember that chemo affects all soft tissue and there is a lot of that in the GI tract.  Acidic foods can be problematic - bland and easily digested foods seem to work best.  Potatoes, in any form, were my go to food.  I also enjoyed smoothies, fresh fruit, toast, and Greek yogurt.  The week before my next tx, when taste buds had somewhat recovered, I tried to eat as much high protein food as possible - including a fair amount of red meat to assist my hemoglobin and RBC in recovery.

  • Moderators
    Moderators Member Posts: 25,912
    edited December 2014

    Welcome Sheri to Breastcancer.org. Please keep us posted on how you are doing

  • blueflowers
    blueflowers Member Posts: 46
    edited December 2014

    Hi ,

    I have my chemo class tomorrow . Do you have any suggestions what to ask ? I am sure they will have a lot of information, but is there anything additional I need to ask?

    I got my wig today from the local Cancer Society, I was in tears all day, just thinking of loosing my hair and putting on that wig makes me cry. Bad day.

  • farmdau56
    farmdau56 Member Posts: 42
    edited December 2014

    Hi blueflowers--So sorry to hear you had a rough day. You'll do fine! I think the chemo class will answer all your questions, but here are a few I can think of:

    If you have a port, ask about getting emla cream to put on beforehand so you won't feel the prick. Ask about what supplements they think you should take. I am adding claritin (for bone pain), B6, and probably glutamine (both for mouth sores and neuropathy). Ask about their recommendations for constipation and/or diarrhea.And make sure you get the number to call (24 hours)in case you aren't feeling well. Also,what kind of snacks and beverages the center provides.

    I had my first chemo. this morning (4 hours) and tonight I'm feeling pretty normal. Only real side effect was from the benadryl--made me light-headed/dizzy, but only for about half an hour. The actual chemo. did not feel like anything. I came home, had a turkey sandwich (lots of water all day), took a nap and then went for a walk. Tonight ate light--baked potato and yogurt plus small piece of cake since it is my son's 28th birthday. My stomach is a bit "off" but not really bothering me. Could be a different story tomorrow.

    Very best of luck to you!

  • blueflowers
    blueflowers Member Posts: 46
    edited December 2014

    Thanks farmdau56 ,

    I am so thankful for having this group here - with whom I can share my feelings, and get positive thoughts and advice. Without you all this journey would have been a lot tougher.

    Take care all of you.

  • fightergirl
    fightergirl Member Posts: 7
    edited December 2014

    My chemo start date is 12/15. I'm starting with 4 rounds of AC followed by either 4 or 12 rounds of Taxol. My oncologist said that it would depend on how I"m doing if I do the 4 or 12 rounds. It is great to hear all the advice from you all who have gone through this so far! :)

    I'm very nervous to start chemo. On the one hand, I want to get started so I can finish, but the unknown really scares me. I too am trying to work through this. I'm not sure if I will be able to. My doctor says that I'll be really tired & since I teach 6th graders, we'll see how that goes. Fortunately for me, we have two weeks off starting the 19th so I can rest up if I need to. I do have a sub all lined up, so if I can't work, I don't have to worry about that.

    I would love to be added to the FB group too! If that is still possible!

  • Akitagirl
    Akitagirl Member Posts: 142
    edited December 2014

    Hi everyone,

    Been checking in on the FB side, but wanted to say "hello" to any newcomers! This is such a great resource and support group.

    SpecialK is the BOMB on resource and she is great at putting this world into human verse - easy to understand for sure!

    It's funny, I was picking up a new prescription last night and could not, for the life of me, remember which vitamins I was going to get. So...another recommendation. Carry around a little notebook, or get into the habit of using your note app on your phone. Now I have to go all the way back and grab some B6 and L-Glutamine powder! :-)

    As far as the stomach. I admit...that has been my worst enemy! Diarrhea and stomach cramps like you have never experienced ( or at least me). I finally got smart this morning and took some Immodium. Wow, go figure, it works! Sing Praises!!! I am actually finally able to get some work done, as this is my first week back and the first three days were absolutely useless. I feel guilty for getting paid the amount they pay me, and not contributing. Yuck.

    One more day till the weekend and only two more days until Hubby returns from the U.K. to come help pick up some of the mommy/daddy/house/doggy/cat duties! Yes!

    Akitagirl

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