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  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited December 2014

    Smaarty, you're looking good! Rest up

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  • sas-schatzi
    sas-schatzi Member Posts: 19,603
    edited December 2014

    Whoa Nelly, I blinked and I'm 4 pages behind.

    Smarrty----you look fabulous one day post op. Hootie Hoo.  What a smile YAY. Love the new hair color---perfect with your complexion :) Wish I could do that-----so, white I'd constantly would be chasing the roots.
    BBL

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  • sas-schatzi
    sas-schatzi Member Posts: 19,603
    edited December 2014


    Glass update: I was scrolling for another piece of glass and noticed a piece that I picked up months ago. I googled it and had a Sphincter Tightening Moment--STM(new coined phrase for Oh Shit).

    Georgian Air twist -----------18th century--1700's

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    Sold for British pounds 250 New that was lots of US dollars.  Kept searching. Found a web  site that told of a way to tell the difference with fakes. The fakes were common in 1900 to 1920. Yikes, these still could be over a hundred years old. Then found that Blenko  made Air Twist items in  the last 50 years. The Blenko that's closest to the ones I bought have a bit of a flare at the top.  It'll take a glass expert to verify whether the glasses are either the 18th century or 20th century. If they turn out to be Blenko 20th century, that's okay. Blenko is highly collectable blown glass.

    Blenko; You can see that the bowl is different :)

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    The air twist is created when an air bubble is entered into the stem in the blowing process and twisted as the piece is being completed. Cool.

    Ebay listing for a supposed Georgian air twist @ 295.00$  http://www.ebay.com/itm/Fine-Georgian-18th-C-English-Air-Twist-Wine-Stem-Glass-/231162187464?pt=Antiques_Decorative_Arts&hash=item35d2570ec8

    It was fun. DS acts bored. Might ask for them back. I could take a very expensive cruise. I forget how many I bought.

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  • luvmygoats
    luvmygoats Member Posts: 2,942
    edited December 2014

    Spookie - My DD was allowed one "I forgot my book, homework" I think it was a semester. She only did it once or twice in elementary school and I don't think ever after that. Yup, Spookie and he will go on to the next school and will she continue to do that for him? What happens when she's sick, in hospital, on vacation, on jury duty? I have an only child - we knew when she was born she was an only - I was almost 35. But we tried very hard not to spoil her - in fact I think maybe we went a little too far the other way but then money was tight since I stayed home. I had more than one teacher tell me that there was no way they would have picked her out as an "only". One of my BFF at the time was a parent enabler but then she herself was a disorganized mess. Had to bring lunch boxes up to school everyday for her 2 kids because she could not get it packed in time for them to go about 1/2 mile to school.

    Chevy - Citalopram was one the great antidep. we used in hospice. I saw a miracle turn around in attitude in woe-is-me pt who was actually one of the better off hospice pts - both health and monetarily. Had never heard her laugh until she started Citalopram. Escitalopram is a kissing cousin of it.

    WooHoo Smaarty - Lookin' Good. Are you getting good service from DH?

    Nettie - congrats on the new grandson. Don't think you gave us his name well his first name I mean. Are you in line for babysitting?

    Blessings - totally got what you meant. Great encouragement for those newbies here.

    Sassy - the Blenko also looks a lot less sturdy to me - thinner glass.


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  • sas-schatzi
    sas-schatzi Member Posts: 19,603
    edited December 2014


    Blondie, owhowy, bummer. that just isn't right. Does avenno oatmeal baths take the zing out of shingles like it does chicken pox?

    Jwoooooooohoooooobelatedhappybirthday

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    Cami I'm being selfish, but always come here first, pulezze...........We don't want you to wear out.

    Mommy I can step out the door and see all the rockets go off. Thursaday morning got my cousin up at 6:30 am . Watched channel 49 until the scrub announcement. Friday slept right through it. DUH

    Chevy LOL, Yup we did the same thing. Is that Sherrie or Janie?

    2TA LOL, yes the earth moved---erh are you referring to the rocket? Missed that. 2222222 get your shingles vaccine please. They likely wouldn't give it to Blondie cuz of immune system---stupid prednisne. great drug just plays havoc with the immune system

    Patty Jwooo is Jen,  Hootie Hoo Who's on first? I know we need a scorecard.

    Rose have fun partying with DD another milestone and another year YAY

    Littlegoats, ewhwww hate having septic. they are so not predictable. Often wondered: If we have turn off valves/knobs for everything, why isn't there a turn off something for a backing up toilet?

    SHE'S BACK------MYRA---MISSED YOU Knew you weren't signing in, and no way to reach you. Please, think of giving 2Ta or Jwoo contact info-------worried, but happy you are back ---all smiles.

    Nettie WONDERFUL A NEW BABY. lOTS AND LOTS OF PICS PLEASE. PARTICULARS LIKW NAME AND WEIGHT ETC YAYAYAYAYAYAYAYAYAY

     

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  • Chevyboy
    Chevyboy Member Posts: 10,786
    edited December 2014

    Sass.... Is that Sheri or Janie...what? You mean with the pills? Or why did I forget what I was talking about?

    And thanks LittleGoats! So far, so good! He is still "happier".... I wonder if he notices yet....

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  • sas-schatzi
    sas-schatzi Member Posts: 19,603
    edited December 2014

    Spookie, time for professional intervention. Send a PM to Blessings for suggestions. This is beyond behavior modification actions.

    Jwooooooooo what fun. your post was 22 hours ago, approx. 4 pm your time. it's 6 pm here. Does that make it 5pm there now. About now is crunch time. Oh have fun, love parties.  BTW love your avatar.----so, cosmopolitan :)

    HI1 didyadidya see the new finds. Old find actually, just found out it's collectible. Ds is blase' about it. Guess it's b/c he 's not doing the finding. In college,  got him into thrifting clothes at the Goodwill in the wealthy part of town in Tallahasee. He'd call and tell me about the designer clothes he'd get for a dollar or two. He won't do it now cuz he's a lawyer ladeda.  Oh well.............

    DBF home BBL

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  • Chevyboy
    Chevyboy Member Posts: 10,786
    edited December 2014


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    DD#1 taking care of her "little" Sister on her B-day...:)

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  • sas-schatzi
    sas-schatzi Member Posts: 19,603
    edited December 2014

    Spookie just saw HI1's post----it's a key question "did he show remorse after you broke your arm?" 2TA's comments and LMG's. Get Blessings take on it all. Even if the school won't help, it's time for Psychiatric evaluation, not just a school counselor, not a licensed psychiatric social worker.  A Pyschiatrist that specializes in children. There's two particular pathologies that are of concern, only a Psychiatrist can make the definitive diagnosis.

    The family is actually better off going to a private doc for diagnosis and treatment because the school won't have access to the records. This is serious.  If the family goes through the school system, the evaluation gets entered into his school record. Could mess him up for life. Sounds dramatic b/c it is dramatic.

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  • sas-schatzi
    sas-schatzi Member Posts: 19,603
    edited December 2014

    Blessing, don't apologize for one word. We each have our own path. We need to celebrate the positive on our own paths and sometimes eat pumpkin pie to celebrate :_

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  • sas-schatzi
    sas-schatzi Member Posts: 19,603
    edited December 2014


    Chevy Interesting placebo effect....the drugs just don't work that fast-----critical he doesn't drink with it---does he realize that drinking is off the table forever? He needs to accept that before the drug builds up in his system. If he mixes them it can be lethal. AND if he cold turkeys the drugs, he can have serotonin withdrawal syndrome. Don't mean to throw water on the scenario, but I know he likes his booze. You've talked of it many times. I've been writing allot on another thread on drugs. Serotonin syndrome and the SSRI's and SNRI's I'll link it.

    Love the Cat Tree.

    https://community.breastcancer.org/forum/102/topic/826526?page=1

     

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  • sas-schatzi
    sas-schatzi Member Posts: 19,603
    edited December 2014

    littlegoats--yes the Georgian glass does look thicker. But the pic is only one piece. Apparently,  prolifically made in 1700's. Then in the early 1900's.  Making me crazy that I don't have the pieces in front of me. When I bought them I held one of the pieces up and spun it around. Thought it odd the way the bowl was so V, no flare and small bowl--seemed to rule out a wine glass, no extreme V seemed to rule out a martini glass. The bowl was small---stemmed cordial seemed possible. DS likes to make drinks that are different. Plus, these looked very modern and unusual since I hadn't seen them before---price was right--cheap, bought them. I'll be very happy if they turn out to be Blenko. Blenko is a great American manufacturer from Virginia or West VA-. I only have their classic juice pitcher.

    What I like is I learned something new. It's also very fun that something made in the 1700's can be viewed by so many subsequent generations as Modern. Makes sense that it was copied in the 1900-1920's b/c that was the beginning to middle period of Modernism. 

    It's cool that no other glass blowing works were able to accomplish the art until Blenko did it. Williamsburg is doing it but it is with the teachings of Blenko artisans. Not sure if I'm stepping out of bounds in saying Blenko resurrected a dead skill.


     

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  • sas-schatzi
    sas-schatzi Member Posts: 19,603
    edited December 2014

    This is another Air Twist --toasting glass----Listed for 1195.00$imagepicture copyright protected . here's link

    http://www.leslieantiques.com/items/524788/18th-Century-Glass-English-MSAT-Toasting-Glass-1750

    It seems to be of much higher quality. Could be the other one needed a wash.

    Littlegoats if you link on that page look at all her listings. Gorgeous and look at her prices. Whew$$$$$$$$$$$. I'll dream I'm that lucky for awhile.

    Jwooohootie hoo the above link id's this site as a member of Trocadero. They are similar to Tias. They are like antique malls of the internet. There's one more I used to go to. When I think of it I'll let you know.

    trocadero         http://www.trocadero.com/

    Think I already said--      http://www.justglass-online.com/

     

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  • sas-schatzi
    sas-schatzi Member Posts: 19,603
    edited December 2014

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  • blondiex46
    blondiex46 Member Posts: 5,712
    edited December 2014

    Chevy u r daughters  r beautiful. ..

    Thanks sass, have no idea, heating pad

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  • Rosevalley
    Rosevalley Member Posts: 3,061
    edited December 2014

    Hi Blondie! Hope you are having a nice weekend.

    Chevy your kids are adorable. Smarty you look great one day out!

    My DD had a lovely 21st Birthday. She is disabled and the hardest drink she can have is cider!! But there was a way fun bowling event, pizza, cake and presents from her buddies and group home -so stinkin cute these residents. They look out for each other and are are just precious. Now there is a Christmas ARC dance tonight and she's "all dressed up and going to dance with 50 boys!" We just got a Txt from her. What a character! So this is some kind of weekend to remember. Who says developmentally disabled folks don't know how to party!

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  • sas-schatzi
    sas-schatzi Member Posts: 19,603
    edited December 2014

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  • sas-schatzi
    sas-schatzi Member Posts: 19,603
    edited December 2014

     

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  • Blessings2011
    Blessings2011 Member Posts: 4,276
    edited December 2014

    Oh, Ladies - I've been so fuzzy lately (head injury and sleep apnea) that I haven't had the energy to go back and reply personally to everyone - soooo sorry!!!

    Miss Sassypants - I DID see my name mentioned in one of your recent posts, and it had to do with a post of Spookiesmom. I did manage to go back and find the original post about a grandson who told lies.

    Here's my two cents: all the suggestions everyone posted were very valid, and I would certainly follow up on all of them. But there may be more to the story.

    When one of our young relatives was in second grade, he was actually EXPELLED for not following the rules. He lied to everyone - his parents, his teachers, his friends, even though we might have just watched him do the very thing he denied doing.

    No punishment worked. Time-outs, grounding, threats, things taken away... nothing mattered to him. He never showed any kind of remorse, even when he hurt his younger brother. The phrase "I didn't do it" got very, very old. Sadly, he became a kid no one wanted to be around.

    His mom took him out of school and started to home-school him. That was an exercise in futility. (There was also the issue of his former school district not following protocol on testing and IEPs, but that's another story.)

    Finally they all went to family counseling, and the therapist suggested a battery of tests.

    Turns out this little boy had Asperger's syndrome. No wonder he was acting the way he was.... and no wonder none of the standard punishments ever worked. Asperger's is on the Autism Spectrum, and kids on that spectrum have brains that are just hard-wired differently than most of us can ever imagine.

    It has taken years of intense therapy, behavior modification, and actual training in "what is normal" for this child to have grown to the age of 13, and become more "nerdy" than "bratty". He has incredible passions for certain subjects, and will spend hours studying them. He can have amazingly adult conversations about his interests.

    Things he is not interested in, not so much. Trying to teach him to have empathy is an ongoing project, but he is miles ahead of where he started.

    No two kids will ever have exactly the same diagnosis, nor will the same exact interventions work on every kid.

    But it's sure worth a shot at finding some answers that make a life make sense.

    Prayers for your grandson, Spookiesmom... for answers for him and for the whole family.

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  • Teka
    Teka Member Posts: 10,052
    edited December 2014

    I'm busy with Family and only stopping by with a little Christmas cheer!

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  • sas-schatzi
    sas-schatzi Member Posts: 19,603
    edited December 2014

    Oh Blessings glad you came

    Blessings, I agree, Not that you suggest having the child tested through the school system. I just want to stress  that the child not be tested through the school system if the parents can have him tested privately. Schools can pigeonhole kids with IEP's, based on school hired psychologist. The IEP's can follow them into college acceptance. per sil that did school testing.

    A Psychiatrist  doing the lead>>>>>will direct a Psychologist to test>>>>back to Psychiatrist for interpretation. No school people in the loop. Find out what you are dealing with first. Let the psych doc guide in dealing or not dealing with the school.

    Spookie you DD has no clue yet. Unknown the quality of school psychologist. You've already said the school guidance counselor isn't the________.    Have DD find their own doc.

     When DS was being tested for gifted, I had an instinct about the assigned psychologist---refused him. That caused a delay of 3 months. Principal who was a friend couldn't tell me  why he felt my instincts were right, he later did.  B/C of DS having to have an IEP b/c of Gifted, I learned stuff about the process that isn't roses unless you understand the parental and child's right's. The staff can try to direct the family as they want, not as the child needs. When DS asked to be tested I went to my SIL who was the testing and placement person at a large highschool  and a friend that was a professor at a local university. Plus she had 35 years as a Principal. Between them they guided me through the process. Had they not told me the ropes. We would not have gotten past the first question.

    Please talk them into staying outside the system, until they have more info.


     

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  • sas-schatzi
    sas-schatzi Member Posts: 19,603
    edited December 2014

    Wish I could take a pic of how Schatzi has made a tunnel through the tree b/c of recent storms. At least it's still standing like the PISA one.

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  • Spookiesmom
    Spookiesmom Member Posts: 9,568
    edited December 2014

    They did have him evaluated last spring. The doc felt he might be on the Spectrum, but it was so "mild", he didn't feel necessary to pursue further treatment.

    There are other things going on, I feel SIL needs anger management help. DD needs to cut back on time spent at school. With that flakey BFF guidance counselor .

    He has had all kinds of PT, OT, speech, I don't know what else. Our district is a big one, if a kid needs help, they will get it for the kid.

    I'm seeing a bit of a pattern though. Fri he asked me nicely if it was my payday, and could we get ice cream. I had to say no to both. Then my keys went missing. When I've told him no other times, things happen. Haven't said this to DD, yet. Asbergergers

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  • Chevyboy
    Chevyboy Member Posts: 10,786
    edited December 2014

    Blessings and Spookie... This all sounds probable... I was worried in bed last night, thinking there must be something other than the typical acting out of our kids...like a chemical imbalance...

    And without the right kind of diagnosis and treatment, it will just go on... getting worse as they get older...

    I remember reading somewhere about the "Mom" of one of these kids did take her Son out of school... made him stay home 3 days to "punish" him...

    But when he went back, all hell broke loose. She WAS trying to help, but it was enabling him... If he would have gotten the right treatment, if someone would have helped the Mom...if the school had tried to help, rather than discipline, it might have had a different outcome....

    Geez, I hope you guys get help....

    And Sass... yes, I know... He drinks just 2-3 beers a day.... I didn't go in with him when he talked to the Doc... But she explained how to take those pills. I don't know if they talked about any beer... but I will TELL him, it's not recommended for him to drink anything while on that type of medication, because they both are processed through the Liver.

    It's like I am walking on ice here... on one hand, so happy that he seems "happier" and we can talk, and then afraid to talk about NOT drinking, because he might give up the pills... you know what I mean? If I see any sign of him acting differently, I'll tell him he has to talk to the Doc about what he is doing.

    We went through all this years ago... Only THAT time, the pills just put him to sleep.... couldn't function. I LEFT because of his drinking... But after about 8 months, we got it all back..... The drinking, Cops, running away, 72 hour hold, psychiatrist, counseling, drugs, and SOMEhow we made it...

    Tthese last 13 years have been so much DIFFERENT than the way things used to be... I haven't minded the daily 2-3 beers... and now that he is older, I just feel bad for him that he FEELS older... and has lost that happiness in him, and he is just "down" when we aren't doing something...

    But lately, he seems happier! We talk and laugh during the day AND night... He has drank since he was 17... Used to be a lot, but then it got to be overwhelming... especially after he retired... It was like "okay, now I'm done! Now I can do whatever I want... drink as much as I can..." And I got lost somewhere along the way... Even I tried going to a counselor... But if he didn't try, anything I did couldn't bring us back together... So I left. I ran away 5 times... the last time I swore it was for EVER.

    It took THAT for him to finally get help... Rock bottom. But man, it took a "village".. Now it was ME that needed help... to convince ME that he was trying... The Church, counselors, our Daughter's, our Doc, and meds, and my friends that held me up when I was losing my whole life, it seemed.

    They gave me places to stay... long talks... and learning to trust him again. Good Lord, I'm glad I would never have to go back to that time again.

    Like walking through fire, and getting out with more than I ever dreamed of.... I just want him happy.... he's mine, for better or worse.... I just want him to be able to take the pills, and not have anything happen. I like for him to go up on the corner everyday to see his friends, and have a couple beers with them... and come home, and happy to see me! If I could stop time............If he could stop, but I can't make him.

    If I could keep things just the way they are right now, I would never ask for another thing....

    So I'll probably delete some of this after you see it... but maybe it's good I explained.


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  • Chevyboy
    Chevyboy Member Posts: 10,786
    edited December 2014

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  • sas-schatzi
    sas-schatzi Member Posts: 19,603
    edited December 2014


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  • Teka
    Teka Member Posts: 10,052
    edited December 2014

    *Spookie and Chevy* Hugs.

    *Nettie* sweet baby.

    *Blessings and Smaarty* good news.

    *JWoo* and * Daughter of Rose*, Belated HB.

    *Myra* Hi.

    *Good Morning Owlettes*Nerdy

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    Tomorrow, Husband and I are Christmas shopping ahead of a bad snow storm!

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  • badger
    badger Member Posts: 34,614
    edited December 2014

    hi all, checking in.  Things are good here just crazy at work right now.

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    Hootie Hoo! ♥ 

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  • sas-schatzi
    sas-schatzi Member Posts: 19,603
    edited December 2014

    Chevy, just wanted to make sure that you knew all psych drugs could cause problems if taken with alcohol. Docs dispense, but don't do much teaching  :(.  HUGS

    Anyone know anything about chinese clothing?

     

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  • Rosevalley
    Rosevalley Member Posts: 3,061
    edited December 2014

    Spookiesmom - I am just going to add a small observation to the discussion. Our oldest kid is MR/autistic -mild. She hand flapped, had very little language until age 6 and all kinds of unusual behavior. My daughter is a rubella baby, they think. Despite all of these obviously autistic behaviors no school or doctor ever put autism down on her problem list. It was always retardation as the main issue. Well fast forward to age 12 and my DD was doing so well that she tested herself out of services and over the 70 IQ twice. We panicked! Her Pediatrician sent us to our local medical center for testing - privately and it was a spectacular disaster. Just a complete expensive waste of time, they dropped her IQ to 49 because she was so stressed by the weird environment she couldn't do anything. They wanted to gut her program and make it life skills. The entire thing hurt her. Even the school said do not do what they recommended.

    It was the school district that came to the rescue. They gave her a diagnosis of educational PDD -Autism Spectrum. They put all kinds of wonderful interventions in her IEP, like friendship circles for practicing social skills, counseling, skill building- like hold eye contact for 10 seconds, answer the question asked of you, return a question ON Topic.. etc.. In short how to have a conversation. Autistic kids just don't pick up social skills and need to be taught.

    I have had friends who have kids who are gifted and autistic who have the same social skills issue- they bumble through social activities stepping on other kids' toes, hurting feeling and in general not understanding that lying or fibbing or monopolizing the conversation with their own topics hurts them socially. They have to be taught these skills directly and then practice them. They don't have the internal mechanism that "flags" a behavior and teaches them, hey stop that it isn't acceptable! Once you get that diagnosis then you can tap into counseling and all these wonderful interventions. It also helps the kid's teachers to understand that the child has a disorder and is not being just willfully disobedient and obnoxious. It protects them with the IEP.

    I just thought of a book that might be of help. Title: It's So Much Work to be Your Friend," by Richard Lavoie. It is about helping the child with learning disabilities find social success. It is not specifically about autism, hits on ADHD, language, impulsivity, anxiety wiring issues etc.. all very interesting. In the back in the Appendix is a bunch of tables on topics- to 20 manners adults appreciate, 20 behaviors parents should avoid, appropriate behaviors at sporting events etc. The book is interesting and you can skip the parts that do not pertain to your kid. Maybe the library has a copy.

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