DIEP 2014

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  • SaltyJack
    SaltyJack Member Posts: 420
    edited December 2014

    JMB, how did you know I was just thinking last night that it might have been lots easier to have the DIEP at the same time as the MX? I really appreciate your insight and it just reaffirms what you all have been saying - it's really hard to predict what will happen (kind of like response to chemo, huh - you just don't know till it happens!). It's great to hear so many "I'm so glad I did it" comments - that will help get through the hard times.

    I know I don't have to decide now....but I'd appreciate any guidance about how anybody decided about nipples, tattoos, etc. There aren't any bikinis in my future so I'm not sure how many more procedures I want to go through....

    Thanks again!

    Bev

  • annieb4
    annieb4 Member Posts: 106
    edited December 2014


    LAstar,. I am a liitle confused. (OK alot confused, but that is a whole other topic!!) anyway, not sure what a GAP flap is, but why did you have one in 2012 and now you are having the DIEP?

    I am just a few weeks ahead of you and I can't wait to get these lousy extenders out. I have had them since May of 2013 and they suck !!!!

    I am getting excited, nervous and everything else that goes along with this, but with all you ladies here, I feel I am quite prepared to whatever happens.

  • LAstar
    LAstar Member Posts: 1,574
    edited December 2014

    annieb4, a GAP (or SGAP or hip flap) is when the flaps are taken from one's backside. I had more hip than belly when I was diagnosed in 2012, so that is what the NOLA docs preferred to do. Unfortunately, it seems that the vessels are better in the abdomen than in the hips and the flap in my cancer side failed and has extensive necrosis. It took it's time and didn't start showing any signs of necrosis until after I left NOLA. Three months later at Stage 2, my doc was still not sure if it was just swelling that would resolve on its own so it was left there. That breast has shrunk from a D to a B cup and is mostly firm with necrosis, so I have having a uni-lateral DIEP in January to finally get this dead tissue out.

  • Ridley
    Ridley Member Posts: 634
    edited December 2014

    Salty -- there are not any bikinis in my future either, but I'm going to complete the nipple recon and tattoos -- I've read so many posts about women who weren't sure and then were so happy to have gone ahead with those last procedures.   I want to be able to look in the mirror and see something that "looks" closer to where I started vs. seeing these crop circles forever.

  • mefromcc
    mefromcc Member Posts: 188
    edited December 2014

    Saw the PS yesterday and he has ordered a CT scan to check my circulation and see if I am a go for a DIEP in February. He would not do the DIEP until I was healed from the BMX because I am pre-diabetic. He has increased my protein to 100 gms/day. So I have my toes crossed I'll pass the scan.

  • LAstar
    LAstar Member Posts: 1,574
    edited December 2014

    SaltyJack, I was planning to get the 3D nipples and not have nipple recon, but at the last moment I decided to have nipples done in my Stage 2. I opted for "baby prominence" since I was uninterested in headlights. I like them so much that I may never have tattoos. They give the breast a finished look but I can also go braless without an outline or pigment showing through my shirt. I accidentally dried my bra one day and wearing it triggered my LE, so I have experimented with not wearing a bra. I have been having a lot of shooting pains in my breasts for the last couple of years but they have gone away since I stopped wearing a bra. I'm kinda hooked.

  • SaltyJack
    SaltyJack Member Posts: 420
    edited December 2014

    Thanks so much, LA and Ridley, for the information...and since you've all been so helpful, I'll keep asking (probably really) dumb questions, okay? I know the PS said to plan on at least one more surgery after the Stage 1 DIEP and I'm thinking that's to "tweak" everything once the dust/fat/skin settles down.....right? It sounds like the nipple is (or can be) done during that surgery if I want it - so it wouldn't be a separate procedure? The tattoo (I'm assuming) is a separate, later, minor procedure.

    LA, I wasn't thinking about "baby" nipples - hmmmmm. That may be an idea. After 8 months of looking at my MX scar, the idea of even approaching the breast I used to have is pretty appealing.

    Thanks for your patience, ladies - and good luck, CC. When is the CT scan?

  • jmb5
    jmb5 Member Posts: 532
    edited December 2014

    LAstar, if you want a little support, have you tried wearing a cami with a built in shelf bra? I wear them a lot. They're comfortable and not as constricting as a regular bra, but give a little support and smooth things out. Not sure if that would be enough to trigger your LE.

    SaltyJack, I had two stage 2 surgeries... fat grafting both times, and let me tell you, the liposuction hurts! The end results are nice though. I notice my outer thigh is smoother, and my inner thighs have less fat. I also had the flanks/love handles done. I was sore for weeks afterwards, but again, it was worth it to me. My breasts looked better too. During the first stage 2, my PS also broke up the scar tissue in the radiated breast and I had the nipple reconstruction done. (Both nipples.) Taking care of them afterwards was a pain, but it was only for a couple weeks, and wow! I couldn't believe how much better I felt looking in the mirror and having nipples instead of crop circles. Emotionally it helped a lot. I have an appointment the first week of April to have nipple tattoos at Vinnie's, although he isn't in town to do them. Another guy he trained named Trent is doing them. I'm really excited!

  • Gramof2boys
    Gramof2boys Member Posts: 194
    edited December 2014

    LAstar, I also had a GAP flap in August at NOLA and my cancer side failed. It was a partial failure and I had it removed after 7 weeks. I'm now doing a unilateral DIEP on Friday with my stage 2 revisions. Our stories seem very similar. My breast incision didn't really ever heal. They could see tissue necrosis right inside incision so the docs at NOLA decided to remove it, let it heal and then do diep. Dr said abdominal vessels are larger than hip vessels. I hope it works this time for me and for you! Good luck!!

  • mefromcc
    mefromcc Member Posts: 188
    edited December 2014

    Salty Jack, got the call today for an appointment next Tuesday. They wanted a creatinine blood test result, which I happened to have drawn today as my semiannual blood work for my PCP. Since I am allergic to the contrast, I must be premedicated to prevent my airways closing, so I start that the day before. Always something.

  • mary625
    mary625 Member Posts: 1,056
    edited December 2014

    Sally..I had stage I on 9/24/2014. great results and was told Stage II may be optional for me. I dont want nipples just tattoos because I can go braless now and dont want anything to mess that up. And I have been thinking about a bikini for the firtst time since I was 12 (which was 40 years ago).

  • BoobJrny
    BoobJrny Member Posts: 3
    edited December 2014

    jmb5, I'm right there with you. I had BMX 11 years ago with tissue expanders. I had not just a lot of pain, but a lot of really strange nerve pain. Just having the material from a camisole brush across my chest was excruciating. Fortunately, that dissipated after a few weeks, but aside from the nerve pain, I had a lot of plain old pain. One of the muscles had been torn and repaired during the surgery so I imagine that didn't help the pain.

    I had free tram flap on 10/31 so I'm about 4 1/2 weeks out. I have had very little pain in my chest area but OMG my abdominal pain has been awful. I would keep reading about folks who were so far ahead of me in terms of recovery and people not needing any pain meds at all and kept thinking - "what the heck is wrong with me?". Today is the first day that I didn't need any pain meds all day. I even went for a walk today and felt really good. During weeks 3 and 4 , I tried to gradually increase my activity by doing things like running small errands like picking up gauze pads at the drugstore or picking up a few groceries, and doing some chores around the house such as loading the dishwasher, doing laundry, etc. But by the end of the day I would be so tired and swollen and in so much pain. Oh and the first 4 weeks I took 2 naps almost every day! I rarely nap so I figured my body was telling me to rest and I listened.

    Fortunately my energy level is a lot better now and I seem to have turned a corner with the pain. Hope it lasts because I have to go back to work in 1 1/2 weeks whether I'm ready or not.





  • LAstar
    LAstar Member Posts: 1,574
    edited December 2014

    Salty, my PS did the nipples at Stage 2 so there was no extra procedure. Like JMB said, the care for 2 weeks is a bit of a pain but then they start looking cute!

    JMB, I've had trouble finding shelf bras that fit a D cup. By the end of next year, I shouldn't have any trouble with a pair of C's (fingers crossed). Excited for your tattoos (or as Teacher calls them, "tittoos")

    Gram, I remember when you had to have that flap removed. Your necrosis was on the left (cancer) side just like mine. I was heartbroken for you but also thought it was good they didn't leave it in. I'll be thinking of you on Friday and sending good thoughts of nice healthy healthy vessels!

  • jmb5
    jmb5 Member Posts: 532
    edited December 2014

    LAstar, I wouldn't know what that's like to have a cami not fit. Lol! I was a small B before surgery, now I'm a C. The camis fit great now. I got mine at Kohl's. They were great to have in the beginning when I couldn't wear a bra, but needed better coverage.

  • Teacher64
    Teacher64 Member Posts: 840
    edited December 2014

    I like camis also and I absolutely love my nipples now that the tattoos have healed. Love, love, love them

  • LAstar
    LAstar Member Posts: 1,574
    edited December 2014

    The pepperonis are gone! Congratulations, Teacher, on being done, done, done!

  • wintersocks
    wintersocks Member Posts: 922
    edited December 2014

    Hi All,

    I had my pre op on Tuesday, and all seemed well cept that my veins will still not stand up to any blood taking, without numerous stabs. A small amount was got, but then it dried up. They wanted to do some kind of anti body test too in the event of needing a blood transfusion, but decided against using my hand as they thought I'd had enough attempts by then. I so hate having that in my hand. Too sore!

    What impact does having collapsed veins have on the Diep procedure, does anyone know?

    LAstar, pepperonis - brilliant!!

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited December 2014

    Had my post op stage 2 visit yesterday at Hopkins. Physically I am doing well but I surprised him by being emotional...I am just so ready to be done with all this shit. One more revision stage 2 to lift Lefty and I should be all set for nipple recon. Radiated breast is actually the better looking of the two now...which is a change from earlier when I had some necrosis and stitch rejection. Now it is smooth and tight because the radiated skin is less elastic, so the foob is perkier. Who'd a thunk it! Feels good too.

    Bottom line for me is that I can finally see the light at the end of the tunnel...and it isn't an oncoming train.

  • mary625
    mary625 Member Posts: 1,056
    edited December 2014

    I'll never look at pepperoni the same way again.

  • Kb33
    Kb33 Member Posts: 88
    edited December 2014

    salty jack

    I also would like to echo that everyone responds differently to their surgery. I was terrified by post I read prior about recliners, buying shower chairs, pain meds, limited activities, etc. mso, I chose to go into surgery believing I would just not have those issues. I don't know if I was lucky, or if the positive attitude did the trick. But I was walking within 12 hours of surgery... Doing laps on the hospital ward.... Showered on my own, no pain meds past day 2. And I just kept saying to myself.. Get up and move.. And start focusing on getting back to normal.

    I was fortunate I had no clinical complications and kept myself moving, and focused on a healthy recovery without meds or support aids. I will say I had some sleepless night on my back and chose the couch for a night or two... Took naps for firth two weeks... But other than being a bit slow moving... Was driving at 2 weeks, taking care of my kids, back to work and traveling all by week 2.

    Everyone will be different.... But I do think focusing on a positive recovery and not expecting issues or lengthy recovery will help you move forward. You can do this ;)

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited December 2014

    kb33

    My thoughts exactly. I also took everything I read in here with a grain of salt and no expectations. There are so many variables with doctors and patients alike that, other than the type of procedure being done, results and recovery experience will vary greatly. I never compared myself to others, or got frightened by what I read. In the final analysis we are all individuals with different history and circumstances

  • caligirl3
    caligirl3 Member Posts: 86
    edited December 2014

    Just checking in to wish all who have upcoming surgeries a safe and speedy recovery. Also wishing continuing good health and recovery to all who have already had their surgeries. Thanks again for sharing. My surgery is next Wednesday. Getting a bit more nervous as it gets closer. Will be having my pre-op on Tuesday. Will also be going to Nuclear med for the sentinel node injection. What should I expect? Is it painful? Any helpful advise as the date gets nearer? Does the Dr. mark the surgical site in the OR? What is that like? When do you get to speak with the anesthesiologist?

  • catherine2
    catherine2 Member Posts: 1
    edited December 2014

    I am contemplating a DIEP procedure due to the fact that I developed a bad cellulitis infection and had to have my implant removed.   I have been told my skin is now too thin for a new implant.   I am 71 years old and wondered if anyone in this group has had a DIEP procedure at my age or somewhat near my age? 

  • norita19
    norita19 Member Posts: 49
    edited December 2014

    The Dr. did his markings the morning of the surgery. That's also when I spoke with the anesthesiologist. Advice I haven't heard mentioned: Make sure your house is in order and clean. I'm no neatnick but I found myself rather germophobic when I returned from the hospital. Especially when something in the bathroom looked unclean, I would freak.

    Good luck to you!

  • SaltyJack
    SaltyJack Member Posts: 420
    edited December 2014

    thanks, Heidi and KB - you're saying just what I'd hoped to hear (and secretly was thinking maybe - just maybe - would be true for me). I'm psyched now! (of course, at 3:00 Sunday morning, thinking about the surgery Monday morning might be a little different story!). You're kind of echoing what my PS said I should expect based on how I've tolerated all the goofy stuff I've been through so far. As my mom says, I'm just learning so MANY interesting things through this whole journey.

    - and congratulations, Heidi! So glad you're still here to help us newbies but hopefully you'll be done-done-done soon!

  • enjoyevrymoment
    enjoyevrymoment Member Posts: 334
    edited December 2014

    Best wishes to all who are soon to have surgery or recently did, and of course to those of us on the other side. I met with a woman I met prior to her surgery and after hers she had more complications than I did and I just felt badly since my experience seemed to be pretty good so I had said that to her. Interestingly my husband said "don't you remember? you really had a rough time" and you know what? I think it is like childbirth, at least for some of us. The result is worth it and your mind might "forget" the hard parts or at least some of them.

    I encourage anyone to get the nipples and the tattoos. I will say to anyone there are so many little emotional potholes along the way and my original surgery being in March, I still am dealing with adjustments emotionally. Added to that is the Femara which I must say, I cannot take stress the way I used to in my line of work. I am suspecting it is the hormonal changes from that. I am not a total mess but definitely cannot take crap... if I can say that. That isn't necessarily a bad thing, but I do find less tolerance for stress....it is a weird process, because in one way after cancer, I do not let stupid things bother me. But my time is also too valuable now to tolerate the utterly ridiculous or unnecessary situations... you know?

    Right now my daughter is about to get engaged any time this next two weeks, he is wonderful and I gave him my engagement ring which he had reset. Feeling very grateful to be here for it all, and realizing it is such a gift to be well, alive, and have a healthy body. To those of you in the middle of the hardest parts, hang in there. One step at a time, all you have to worry about is showing up for each step, eating as healthfully as you can, staying as active as you can, and letting your emotions develop as you sift priorities and value what is really important. Now that my surgeries are all over, Lord willing, I can say it was all worth it. Hugs to you all.

  • Luckygirl27
    Luckygirl27 Member Posts: 16
    edited December 2014

    Hi Saltyjack,

    good luck with your surgery!  I am waiting for my surgery date and have been waitlisted for 12/16.  If I recall correctly, you are also having diep reconstruction.  I never sleep great so I am sure we will run into each other in the early morning hours!  thinking of you.

    luckygirl

  • LiLi-RI
    LiLi-RI Member Posts: 291
    edited December 2014

    enjoyevrymoment: I agree with your thoughts and sentiments. I still have more to go with Stage 2. I too find that after this experience I have little patience for small talk and small issues. You have provided such wonderful guidance throughout my DIEP journey. Thank you. Lis

  • Janet_M
    Janet_M Member Posts: 1,068
    edited December 2014

    Enjoyeverymoment - Well said! There have certainly been a LOT of emotional potholes along the way. Sometimes they were shallow puddles, and sometimes they felt like quicksand. Either way, they are temporary and I managed to work my way over, through, and around them.

    I echo exactly your sentiments about tolerance for stress. I can't quite articulate what's happened but there's been a subtle, but profound shift. On one hand I can't tolerate stress ( and multi-tasking) as well as I used to. And that could be age, or tamoxifen, or menopoause. Who knows. And on the other hand, I don't engage in stressful situations as much as I used to. Especially if it's just petty stuff - I have no energy or desire to get involved. Those are the kind of puddles I don't dip my toe into anymore. A friend recently told me that I seem calmer, and more confident these days. Perhaps, but mostly I'm just feeling like I've got my priorities straight and I'm not going to fret over little things, or assholes.

    One of the ladies on DIEP 2013 referred to this as a 'rodeo'. She couldn't be more correct. Sometimes we're riding high, and sometimes we're hanging on for dear life. In between there are bruises, and fear, and a whole lot of 'get me outta here!' But it is all temporary, and all part of the process, and solid ground is not far away. And because it is the longest & wildest rodeo over, don't judge yourself for impatience, crabbiness, exhaustion, or bad judgement. And definitely don't compare yourself to the person you were before you got on the crazy horse. Just be kind to yourselves, and be proud of where you are today.

  • Morwenna
    Morwenna Member Posts: 1,063
    edited December 2014

    Reading the posts, and alternating between feeling nervous and encouraged!

    I had my preadmission clinic visit yesterday, and afterwards met with my new breast surgeon for the first time. My original surgeon was a young lady .... this one looks like her little sister!!

    Anyway, it is all systems go for Jan 6, and although I am at high risk for dvt post-op, the hematologist, internist, plastic surgeon and anesthesiologist have all communicated appropriately, and they seem to be happy with the plan!

    I'm havering about renting a powered recliner. We do have ordinary mechanical recliner couches .... its just that I'm having bilateral reconstruction, and I can see myself getting stranded like turtle on its back! Also the other equipment .... like Kb33 above, I'm wondering if I am positive enough I won't need all that stuff!

    I know I don't have to think about stage 2 yet, but on the subject of nipples, I wouldn't want the "headlights" look, but I've heard people say they tend to flatten out, so I would worry there's a danger of them disappearing completely if they start out small. Likewise with the tattoos; they fade and have to be redone every couple of years, so they make them too dark to start with .... will I want to be bothered?

    Too many thoughts ......... :)

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