ILC Is there more chance of bilateral?

Chloesmom
Chloesmom Member Posts: 1,053

Newly diagnosed with ILC. Told the radiologist that I was going for bilateral mastectomy and he said he supported that as he felt theee was more chance it would happen in other breast.

BC said that wasn't true. Maybe more chance as I'm past 60 and have more chance just because of age (61)

What have you been told about this?

While bilateral mastectomy is a big deal I just want it once and done. Thoughts?

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  • Lily55
    Lily55 Member Posts: 3,534
    edited November 2014

    I was told both more likely, and also no greater risk it affects both sides! However lobular lurks and hides so I think its more your own Judgement call, sorry!

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited November 2014

    I've researched ILC extensively now and found over and over that ILC has a greater chance of being multifocal (both breasts now or later). My breast cancer oncologist agrees. As Lily55 said, it's your call, but when I had my BMX year before last the pathology reported some hyperplasia in the "good" breast, not caught on scans etc because of course it was too small yet.

    I'm glad I did both, for symmetry and other reasons like the above.

    Hugs

    Claire

  • daisylover
    daisylover Member Posts: 310
    edited November 2014

    I originally hoped for lumpectomy with radiation. Without clear margins, I required a UMX. I insisted on BMX due to dense breasts, multi-focal nature of ILC and wish for symmetry. They found both pre-cancerous conditions and ILC in my other breast. (MRI and US did not show any issues.) My greatest concern stemmed from dense breasts, though. BMX is a very personal decision with many factors to be considered. I could not have immediate reconstruction; so, I did mourn the loss of my breasts. I feel like my ALND was the most difficult part of my final surgery (continuing truncal lymphedema), followed by drains post-surgery (temporary issue). I believe that reconstruction makes the BMX a tougher surgery, though - giving cause to weigh concerns more carefully. There can be multiple surgeries involved in reconstruction, making BMX less of a "once and done" than one might think? As I mentioned, I have not had reconstruction. You will make the right decision for you!

  • Chloesmom
    Chloesmom Member Posts: 1,053
    edited November 2014

    thanks daisylover. To clarify with once and done I meant BMX instead of 2 UMXs

    I know by all my research that the reconstruction isn't a walk in the park and may end up going flat. Or going flat for a few months then deciding

    The main reason I'm thinking reconstruction is because of how much I swim

    The big issue is I have bad vibes about the "good" breast. Feel like something might be lurking there but don't want to be impulsive. Thanks so much for replies. The slightest possibility that there might be something there has just validared the decision I've already made.

  • Nancy2581
    Nancy2581 Member Posts: 1,234
    edited November 2014

    I don't have ILC but my RO was talking about it and he did say there is a greater chance it could be in both breasts at some point. Stupid, stupid cancer.

    Nancy

  • Lily55
    Lily55 Member Posts: 3,534
    edited November 2014

    i was refused bmx but had a reduction on good side and biopsied all tissue removed, all fine.......

  • Chloesmom
    Chloesmom Member Posts: 1,053
    edited November 2014

    1st BS agreed to do so but we haven't check with ins. Was it doctor or insurance that refused?

  • daisylover
    daisylover Member Posts: 310
    edited November 2014

    I can totally relate to the feelings about your "good breast" and the BMX vs UMX - I had twinges and what I considered discomfort in my good breast (more so than ever in my cancerous one), which further made me set on the BMX. I knew that for me it would be a nagging concern if I did not do BMX. My BS said "not medically necessary", but confirmed that I had made a good decision for me. None of the medical professionals expected me to have cancer in the other breast. I sometimes wonder if they are too focused on lumping us with Ductal Hormone Positive cancers to consider the incidence of bilateral for Lobular?

    I have spent a year without reconstruction and still have not decided about that - you can take lots of time to decide. I am considering the DIEP. (Saw a PS before and after my BMX to discuss options.) I am immune suppressed for the next 1 1/2 years on Palbociclib (trial); so, I will have to wait longer now if I choose reconstruction. If you swim, you should definitely consult a PS to get some sense of how the different reconstruction options would affect that. Both BMX and reconstruction would mess with your shoulder mobility, I believe. You should definitely search for a PT with experience treating breast cancer patients. (If you are able to see the PT before deciding on surgery/reconstruction, you might get valuable insight into the recovery process from the different surgeries.) I am glad that I delayed reconstruction. I felt like there were so many decisions rushing at me at once. I like my prostheses. (have several sets - different ones for exercise etc...) However, they are warm in the heat of summer... Psychologically, I think immediate reconstruction might help one to feel whole sooner? My husband has been very supportive so that has eased the loss. You will get to the right answer for you because you are weighing things carefully and considering others' experiences and your own needs. Just remember you are unique!

  • LauraW68
    LauraW68 Member Posts: 100
    edited November 2014

    I was told there was a chance I would develop ILC in my left breast as well. Taking that into consideration and the fact that I was a heavy chested gal (DDD), I chose to have a bilateral.

    Even though the right breast was the affected one, the lab does reports on the remaining breast as well. The report showed the left was normal but was starting to show changes that could have made it a high risk for cancer to develop in it. So by me having a double mastectomy, I stomped cancer out before it even got on track in the left breast.

  • Msqueen57
    Msqueen57 Member Posts: 65
    edited December 2014

    I was diagnosed with ILC in the left breast after biopsy. An MRI followed which showed a suspicious area in my right breast. Biopsy of right breast found ILCIS, which did not even appear on the mammogram that found the suspicious area in the left breast. I decided before I even met with my BS the first time, that I wanted a bilateral mastectomy. According to BS, the ILCIS was probably there first, and with that finding alone he would have recommended a bilateral mastectomy. As far whether or not to reconstruct, it is different for everyone. If you are not sure it does not have to be done right away. My surgery was this July and I chose not to reconstruct right away. I may not do it at all, not sure yet.

    My insurance company did not object to the bilateral because my BS felt it was medically necessary. Best of luck with your surgery.

  • 2Tabbies
    2Tabbies Member Posts: 984
    edited December 2014

    I was told by my MO that ILC is more likely to occur in the opposite breast. An MRI found "areas that need to be rechecked in 6 months" in my "good" breast, and due to that and my history of 2 other cancers, I opted for a BMX. The tumor board at my hospital agreed that it was a reasonable decision.

    Regarding reconstruction, be aware that if you're having radiation, you won't be able to just get implants afterward. Well, you can, but there's a high failure rate because the radiation damages the skin and muscle so it doesn't hold up well to the implant. I was not told this by the PS I consulted prior to my mastectomy. He told me I could have any procedure I wanted at any time so that I didn't need to make a decision then. Since there was so much already on my plate, I opted to wait. I even thought I might not mind being flat. Well, I was blindsided by how much I did mind. I also hated the prostheses. I found them uncomfortable. So a few months after completing active treatment I consulted another PS. He's the one who told me about the issues with implants after radiation. Bottom line, I wish I'd gone with immediate recon with TEs and implants. As it was, the only real option I had left was the LD flap since previous abdominal surgery ruled out both a DIEP and TRAM. (The PS that I saw before my MX knew all this so why he told me I could have "any procedure I wanted at any time" is beyond me.) Anyway, I had an LD flap and TE placement on my "bad" side and just TE placement on my "good" side two and half weeks ago. I was pretty worried about loss of strength from losing the lat muscle since I am also a swimmer. So far, I don't notice any difference for day to day activities. I haven't had much trouble with shoulder mobility or range of motion either. I have a little loss of range of motion but feel sure I can regain that pretty easily as I did after my mastectomy. I haven't been cleared for strenuous exercise yet, but my PS says he's done this surgery on women who are swimmers, golfers, and tennis players, and they've all been able to return to their sports.

    Good luck with whatever route you choose to go!

  • Robyn_S
    Robyn_S Member Posts: 197
    edited December 2014

    hello, I was diagnosed with ILC in my right breast and was adamant about having a BMX. I was concerned given that ILC is reported to have a higher rate of contralateral occurrence and I had greater concerns about symmetry for reconstruction. I also had an MRI before surgery that showed all clear on the left breast. The pathology however after surgery showed multifocal LCIS through the left prophylactic breast. This more than set my mind at ease that I had made the right decision for me. The thought of potentially facing treatment a second time also is a factor to consider.

    Making the right decision for ourselves is a personal choice just as treatment following surgery. I had also considered choices made by BRAC + ve women long before I was ever diagnosed and had prospectively resolved to have a BMX if ever I was in that difficult position. Little did I know that I would have to make that choice but it made it easy for me!


  • ganzgirl2010
    ganzgirl2010 Member Posts: 235
    edited December 2014

    It can definitely happen in the opposite breast ! I opted for BMX..so glad I did because the path report showed lcis and alh in my right breast. The cancer was in my left breast...

  • MBLizzy
    MBLizzy Member Posts: 51
    edited December 2014

    I had multifocal ILC in my Left breast and I opted for BMX. Although the u/s, MRI and mammogram showed my good breast (rt) was all clear, the pathology from my BMX showed that my good breast in fact had ILC also. So glad I opted for BMX

  • Chloesmom
    Chloesmom Member Posts: 1,053
    edited December 2014

    ditto MBLizzy! . Mammo, US and MRI were clean on the left. I opted for BMX as my gut said otherwise. Trust your intuition! The path report just came in and they were BOTH trying to kill me.

    FLAT and FREE!

  • Momine
    Momine Member Posts: 7,859
    edited December 2014

    I am another one who chose BMX, although only DXed with cancer in one breast (right side). Like several others here, path report showed extensive pre-cancer and LCIS in the "good" breast. None of it had shown on any of the imaging, except for a few tiny calcifications that all the docs swore were benign. I am very glad I did not leave it to fester.

    As for recon, I was told to wait 2 years, which I did. I am still waiting, because the waiting period gave me time to research, and I am not really interested in any of the recon options. Flat does suck in certain ways, but having boobs also sucks, just in different ways (mine always hurt, for one thing). So I am usually not too bothered about it. The adjustment was a bit tricky - getting used to the new geography, figuring out what kind of fakes I liked, what kind of clothes to wear with or without the fakes etc. But for me it really was not traumatic at all, just a bit odd at times.

    By the way, I swim in a speedo with "Modesty" shields sewn in. It gives a super-tiny bump, just enough that people can't decide what is going on exactly. Besides, if they realize you lost your breasts, so what? One hot summer night, I walked my dog without fakes and in a fairly tight T. Coming around a corner, I almost bumped into an older guy, also in a T, with an arm missing. I couldn't help grinning, then realized that might seem odd, so I made a gesture to indicate I was missing the boobs, smiled and shrugged. He gestured at the missing arm, smiled and shrugged, and then we each trundled on.

  • 2Tabbies
    2Tabbies Member Posts: 984
    edited December 2014

    Momine, I wish I could have felt that way about being flat. I didn't wear the fakes at all around home or just running errands, etc. I did wear them to work or dressed to hide the flatness. I felt uncomfortable with the flat look there. But I hated all the prosthetics. I never found them comfortable. So it was a choice between physical or mental discomfort. I was a bit surprised that I cared because I'm not a girly girl and was never busty. I didn't like the recon options either. Or in my case, option, singular because there was only one. But it came down to that being the lesser of evils. I wanted to be able to get dressed without having to think of how to look normal. Oddly, even before I started recon, I didn't really give a rip what I looked like when I went swimming at the Y so I just went flat. I haven't been swimming since my recon surgery. It will be interesting to see if I get any double takes when I show up not flat. I kind of doubt anyone there at 6:30 in the morning was paying attention. If they were, let them wonder. I couldn't stand the thought of my coworkers whispering about what I had or hadn't had done though. And I know they would have. These are people that I know and see daily not somebody I see in passing so early in the morning that neither of us are really awake.

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited December 2014

    I opted for BMX after diagnosis of ILC in one breast. I was advised by my medical and surgical oncologist that ILC tends to show up in the other breast because breasts share genetic material. I am relieved with this decision because I will have no more mammograms in the future. However, the reconstruction road is a little bumpy...taking it one day at a time. I truly appreciate all the women who have shared openly here. I have few others I speak with and although I don't post a lot, I am so very supported by the members of this forum. I thank you.

  • 2Tabbies
    2Tabbies Member Posts: 984
    edited December 2014

    Outtawhack, reconstruction can indeed be bumpy. You've got it right. One day at a time. I like your avatar. It made me smile.

  • Momine
    Momine Member Posts: 7,859
    edited December 2014

    Tabbies, that is why I am happy that recon exists. For you, it is obviously the right way to go.

    I really thought the flat chest would bother me more, but it just doesn't. So I figure, why look a gift horse in the mouth. I do usually wear small fakes, just so my clothes hang right and I don't have to think about my effect on others when I am out and about.

  • 2Tabbies
    2Tabbies Member Posts: 984
    edited December 2014

    Momine, I wish I had felt the way you do about being flat. It would have been so much simpler. I even tried several different types of prosthetics - silicon, fiberfill, microbead. The silicon were heavy and hot, but the fiberfill and microbead weren't heavy enough to keep the bra from riding up. Even the silicon ones tended to shift about some. I spent the whole day tugging at my bra. You're so lucky that it doesn't bother you. I really had hoped I'd feel like that. Thank God we do have some options even if they come with more scars. At least I'll never have to wear a bra again if I don't want. The plastic surgeon has promised me this! :-)

  • Annette_U
    Annette_U Member Posts: 111
    edited December 2014

    read 2tabbies post. I also did not have the diep or tram option. I went with TE to implants. The results are not total symmetry, the radiated left is tighter, appears slightly smaller then right and the nipple reconstruction is slightly higher on the left side. Maybe the LD flap would have given a smoother, softer and more even appearance. I just did not want to go moving muscles around and cutting new areas of my body up unless that was the only choice. If these implants fail in the future, then I will need to consider that or no implants. Oh, I also had to have the right side revised to match the left a bit more (nice additional 5 inch L scar on side of boob).

  • Chloesmom
    Chloesmom Member Posts: 1,053
    edited December 2014

    Outlawhack. I have read over and over again on this site that there is more chance of it showing up in other breast with ILC. Your doctor confined this, yet I have found all of the docs I consulted were clueless about this fact. I only got a BMX because it was my idea supported by posts here. So glad I did and now my BS agrees since path report came back with atypical lobular hyperplasia throughout the one that had a neg US and MRI. When he said " if you didn't have bilateral you would have been back with cancer", I was happy for myself but immediately thought of all the women with ILC that might not discover theirs until it had spread. We need ammo to educate about the difference in this type to protect our sister survivors!

    Did your doctor have something to back up his opinion? Any references out there to support this that I can share with the docs?

  • Momine
    Momine Member Posts: 7,859
    edited December 2014

    Chloesmom, my doc said that the evidence for lobular being more likely to recur in the other breast is ambiguous. He also said that, statistically, a profy on the good breast does not improve survival. However, my path also showed a bunch ofpre-cancer, and my surgeon told me exactly what yours told you.

    It does seem like a lot of women share our story, but I don't know what the actual stats are.

  • daisylover
    daisylover Member Posts: 310
    edited December 2014

    Chloesmom, I also made my decision based on instinct about sensations, personal concerns (peace of mind and symmetry for my back), and reading posts on BCO. My doctors at Dana Farber definitely advised against BMX, saying that it was "not medically necessary". I think that generally ILC treatment continues to be lumped with IDC. You are on an admirable mission.

  • Chloesmom
    Chloesmom Member Posts: 1,053
    edited December 2014

    Yes Daisylover I also went by my gut feeling about the sensations on the left. Also talked to someone who had a uni and she said it would be a lot easier getting fitted with a light prosthesis. Most of all I'm a wimp and couldn't imagine going through all this twice and the anxiety of wondering with every zing I felt.

    I sure hope they do some serious study about the differences. The medical world is so evidence based in terms of what is published in the literature that often they forget a patients preference.

    BTW Living in PA 27 years but grew up in Arlingtom Hts a few blocks from Lexington.

  • Scottiemom11
    Scottiemom11 Member Posts: 1,298
    edited December 2014

    My BS told me that BMX reduced the chance of recurrence based on one known ILC in right breast and one known LCIS in left. Followed my intuition and based on final path showing LCIS on both sides, BS said I made the right choice. I think they should have better stats for us to go by though.

    Scottie

  • Nomatterwhat
    Nomatterwhat Member Posts: 587
    edited December 2014


    I was diagnosed in May with what the testing showed was a small 1.2 cm lump in my right breast.  After my lumpectomy, the doctor informed me that due to the "blue dye" they injected into the right breast that she was sure there was a mass "of significant proportion" in that breast.  Actually it was a 7+ cm mass in the right breast, which was never picked up on the mammogram, MRI or sonogram. The best part was that there were no lymph nodes involved (how lucky can I get).  After several more tests on my left breast, the doctor suggested a double mastectomy, due to the fact that the left breast had pre-cancer cells in there also and I would probably have cancer in the left breast and be back to do this again in three years or less.  NO THANKS, so I had a double mastectomy August 4 with no reconstruction and have never looked back. 

  • 2Tabbies
    2Tabbies Member Posts: 984
    edited December 2014

    Momine, I love how the docs like to quote statistics that show no improvement in survival for various courses of action. And by that, they mean length of survival. I don't know about anybody else, but mere length of survival is not the only thing that concerns me. Quality of life also matters. If keeping a breast means constant anxiety about a recurrence and test after test to check on every lump or other symptom, I don't think it's worth it. In a way, I'm fortunate to have a crappy medical history. Nobody gave me any grief about doing a BMX. Sheesh, when you're dealing with a type of breast cancer that doesn't show up on diagnostic tests, you'd think they'd be a bit more open to the idea. I sure didn't want to wait for another 8 cm tumor to sneak up on me.

  • Momine
    Momine Member Posts: 7,859
    edited December 2014

    2Tabbies, we completely agree. The main motivation for me to have the BMX was the description I got of what the surveillance on the "good" breast would be. I realized that I would be smashed, prodded, poked and biopsied every 3 months pretty much, and this did NOT sound like a good time to me. I also had little confidence that I or the docs would necessarily catch it, given that my stage 3 cancer neatly evaded detection, stage 0-3. As it turned out, my intuition on that was more correct than I suspected, since there was LCIS etc in the supposedly healthy breast.

    Besides, asymmetry really bothers me.

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