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  • Hopeful82014
    Hopeful82014 Member Posts: 3,480
    edited November 2014

    I'd been taking 2000 units of Vit. D (along with the mag. & calcium to optimize) but it wasn't keeping my levels up. I'm taking 4K units daily and we'll see what that does. Vit. D is best utilized when consumed with some dietary fat, by the way.

  • sandra4611
    sandra4611 Member Posts: 2,913
    edited November 2014

    Anemia and depleted Vit D has been my problem too. I ended up with iron infusions every three months for a year. September labs showed the numbers are not falling, so I might have licked it. The Vit D is another story. My endocrinologist has had me on 50,000 units twice a week since the first of the year but still can't get above a 7. Wish you could get infusions of Vit D but I'm told that's not an option.

  • revup-65
    revup-65 Member Posts: 94
    edited November 2014

    Fourminor  I went through the same experience you are having the first time around 20 yrs ago. Went through all the stats, kept reviewing all of them. Finally I stopped, they are just numbers for the general population of BC women. There will always  be exceptions good or bad . I choose CMF, the same thing your MO is wanting you to do. My experience was not bad, did not get sick nor did my hair fall out. It was a difficult decision so I know how you are feeling. Once I made my decision I settled down and focused on my plan to get through it. I don't regret my decision. You will get there too no matter what you deciede. Set backs and unknowns are stressful I hated those, so I am sorry you are going through what you are, I would give you a hug if I could. I felt like a leaf on a stream moving every day to unknown territory but I thought at least there was the chance I would float into some sunshine.

     I wanted to share with you what I did before rads. I put 35000 units vitiman e on my skin, didn't rub it in, at night before bed, put a t-shirt on, in the morning it was absorbed. I did not burn or even turn pink so it worked well for me.

    I am seeing my surgeon tomorrow to go over pathology, see what I am up against and hopefuly set date for surgery.

     

    TJG2 here is a yoga site that I found that I like http://www.msn.com/en-us/health/fitness/workout/details/yoga-breathing-for-congestion/yg-wo-0008?ocid=HPCDHP it says congestion but it has other breathing exercises.

     

     

  • funnthesun68
    funnthesun68 Member Posts: 41
    edited November 2014

    Hummingbird I am excited about no chemo. I see oncology tomorrow to get full report and to discuss meds. Will keep you posted. Going to change diet slowly. Will be hard at first it we can handle it.

  • funnthesun68
    funnthesun68 Member Posts: 41
    edited November 2014

    Sandra thanks for input. I have been doing a lot of reading and what you say makes sense. Thanks


  • LauraW68
    LauraW68 Member Posts: 100
    edited November 2014

    I called the doctor yesterday morning and was told it was ok to stop the pain med and just go with over the counter tylenol if I thought I'd be ok with just that. I haven't took another percocet since that first one around 8am yesterday and tylenol has been just fine. At least no itching or the horrible nausea I had is there anymore.

    Thanks for the tip on the Bio Oil and dove soap. I'll see if our walmart has that oil.

  • sandra4611
    sandra4611 Member Posts: 2,913
    edited November 2014

    Rev,

    Your words are lovely. "I felt like a leaf on a stream moving every day to unknown territory but I thought at least there was the chance I would float into some sunshine". What a blessing you are to us.

  • revup-65
    revup-65 Member Posts: 94
    edited November 2014

    sandra4611 Thank you Sandra, that means so much coming from you, I know you give so much and help so many. I hope to give back what has been given to me. Honestly I don't know how I would be able to work through all this with out feeling like I was part of this group. I know I am just starting and you all are further down the road then I am but I can't help staying  here.

    Revelle

  • sandra4611
    sandra4611 Member Posts: 2,913
    edited November 2014

    Rev, you belong to us now.

  • Hopeful82014
    Hopeful82014 Member Posts: 3,480
    edited November 2014
    I was about to say the same as Sandra, Rev up. I'm copying your lovely phrase and will keep it in my notebook. Thank you for such a beautiful image and way of thinking about all this. sent with a grateful and gentle hug.
  • Fourminor
    Fourminor Member Posts: 354
    edited November 2014

    Thanks Revup, I'm kind of getting there. My feeling is more dark--Cancer is just a series of crappy decisions where you get to pick which is the least horrible and the house controls your wager.

    I got my hair cut this weekend. I had her take it so its now just hitting my shoulders. I have pretty thick hair but if its going to thin out, i might as well make a plan.

    I was told to take vitamin D last year by my primary care phys, but I am so anti medicine that I just stopped wearing sunscreen on my legs when i wasn't out in strong sun and on my face in the late fall and winter. I always try to use lifestyle and diet first for everything. I caved and started taking supplements while I was waiting for my mastectomy.

    The new WHO recommendations are for no more than 25 mg of added sugar per day. This is really tough--probably won't get you through one meal of Western diet. The problem is that its added to so much of our food. Avoiding processed foods helps. Its pretty hard now that the holidays are here. When I try to turn down a piece of cake everyone looks at me like, "You alrealdy eat healthy what are you worried about?" And I don't feel like being the downer who says, "Cancer," but its always in my mind.

    The dearth of nutritional attention and knowledge in medicine confounds me.

  • TJG2
    TJG2 Member Posts: 61
    edited November 2014

    Revup65 - thank you for the website! I'll be visiting it today!

  • TJG2
    TJG2 Member Posts: 61
    edited November 2014

    LauraW68 - I took Tylenol and it helped but at some point it wasn't doing the job after a fill, so I took Ibruprofen and that helped a lot. I think because it can help a little more with the muscle pain. Ibruprofen shouldn't be taken every day though because it can cause stomach and kidney issues.

  • TJG2
    TJG2 Member Posts: 61
    edited November 2014

    Fourminor - You are correct, cancer is a dark, nasty, little bastard that comes with lesser of evils decisions the entire way. BUT, we have to control our emotion, the little bastard can't steal everything from us. Find a good laugh in something everyday, even if it is at your own expense, it helps. I have second guessed some of my decisions and think about them and usually come back to that was the right decision because of x, y, and z. Validating my decisions help make me feel more comfortable with them and gives me back some control. Tidbits from the ladies in here help me beat some things too. All these things are empowering and make me feel better. I so hope you can find a way to get over this hump.

    After 6 rounds of chemo, I started targeted infusions. My very first target treatment, my husband brought home a puppy....a black lab puppy. Someone had dumped him and his three sisters in a box, near a ladies ranch. I was thinking, what in the hell is this guy thinking?!?! I had a double mastectomy coming up. We already have two fairly large dogs, 3 cats, and a blue and gold macaw. Turns out, that puppy was most excellent medicine. It gave me something to concentrate on besides myself. This little guy is so sweet and makes me laugh. Turns out, maybe my husband wasn't so idiotic in his decision! I'm not suggesting everyone should go rescue a puppy at this time in our lives, but maybe anything that is very different from the household norm might be good medicine for the spirit.

    I pray you soon find a way out of your funk because we all have to get you and anyone else having a hard time over the hurdle of funk.

    I loved the quote about the leaf in the stream....that was beautiful!

  • Akitagirl
    Akitagirl Member Posts: 142
    edited November 2014

    Hi Everyone,

    Wow! I took a few days off from this wonderful group and missed out on some great conversation! :-)

    Lilith - thank you for your encouragement regarding work. Today would have been my original day back, but since I moved it to the 9th...here I still am. You are correct, mentally I am not ready to return. Since I didn't get my PET scan approved, I have to make more appointments for chest/abdominal CT and bone scan. Also, I qualified for the research study looking at low HER2 scores - mine came back at 1+. So, I have a few more labs/scans for that before I start chemo a week from Thursday. Still, with all of this, I am still fighting anxiety about not being at work. When I wrote to my boss letting her know that "docs aren't releasing me until the 9th", she did not reply. That makes me anxious. Also, my husband is absolutely driving me crazy with all his spending thoughts/plans. Now that we have his car paid off, he wants to trade it in (after selling his motorcycle) and buy yet another car. ARRRGGGHH! I am going to put my foot down and say, "no more big spending"! We have plenty, we are very blessed, but he is stressing me out as I am now down 60% and do NOT want to be in any debt. I hope this doesn't sound petty - perhaps it is...but I grew up very poor and worked hard to achieve financial stability. I guess it is something I hold on to and need to let go. Bottom line - I have too many appointments, we are hosting Thanksgiving and I am just not ready, so I will have faith that all will be well when I return.

    Rev, Hopeful, TJG2 and all: Great talk about Vit. D. You are all correct that most women are low. Interestingly enough, mine is too high. My Vitamin D hydroxy-25 came back at 88, which is extremely unusual. At any rate, as an ex-nurse practitioner, I highly recommend getting vitamin D as "natural" as possible, as it is very difficult to absorb and make it through the digestive pathway and be absorbed by just taking it in pill format. Remember that the sun is your friend - here in Colorado, we get plenty of that. Also, remember all the veggies that are high in Vit. D and of course, if you can take dairy products, they are also naturally good for this. Interesting thought...with all the recent dedication to protecting ourselves from UV rays, perhaps we have also protected ourselves from the Vitamin D that we need. That would be a very interesting study.

    Revup: Beautiful words! Do you by any chance write poetry? I have written a song, played it for my band on Thursday and the leader made me feel awesome by stating it is the best one I have written (that he has heard). However, I am really struggling with the last chorus. I plan on doing a quick down and dirty recording and will post to YouTube. If you (or anyone else) have a few minutes to listen and read the words, perhaps you all could help me finish it. It is one that I would like to actually record and submit, as I actually feel that it might have a chance.

    SCMom: You made me laugh! No, I didn't ask my doctor if I could use cream/lotion on my skin after surgery. However, I am probably the most frustrating patient (as most providers are), in that I pretty much do what I feel is okay and don't bother asking. :-) However, you will be proud of me that I actually asked my PS on Friday when I could actually start running again - he said 6 weeks post-op from original surgery. So, I will actually listen and do what he says (begrudgingly) and until then, keep on the treadmill and walking the dogs.

    You all are spot on about yoga. My hubby does it every morning and keeps trying to convince me to join him. Ummmm.... no thank you. I will get back to doing some ballet (after he inserts my barre downstairs). I do not. like. yoga. Yes, I am stubborn. ;-)

    Finally - just wanted to share. Yesterday was exhausting. I sang/played at all three services and lead one of my favorite songs "Your Great Name" by Natalie Grant. However, at the first service, the first two songs made me start crying - and I had forgotten to look in the mirror before second service. So - during second service I had HUGE smudges of mascara beneath my eyes. It looked like I was getting ready to play some football or something. I can't believe my team didn't tell me! Anyhow - funny, but very embarrassing. I came down to sit in the congregation and my husband just looked at me and whispered, "uh, you need to go to the the restroom and wash your face!". Oh, I love him!

    Akitagirl

  • TJG2
    TJG2 Member Posts: 61
    edited November 2014

    Akitagirl! What a familiar story. I wrote my boss asking to have a conversation with him regarding returning early or at least to work from home....no response....so, fine, I'm not going back until next Monday. That happened a month ago and I'm still perturbed about it. My PET wasn't approved at first either and I had to have all those other scans, only to end up getting a PET scan. IF it is HER2+ and still stage 2, there is a STRONG possibility that you are 100% curable. That is a good, good thing!

    Just get lots of help for Thanksgiving. I think it was you that was getting prepped food and warming it up. We did that one year and the food was delicious.

    I know what you mean, every month when I get the credit card bill. UGH. I'm trying to keep us debt free. It makes me a nervous wreck!

    LOL! I needed a laugh! Aren't husbands great sometimes! Glad you had a great day though!

  • Hopeful82014
    Hopeful82014 Member Posts: 3,480
    edited November 2014

    Dear Robyn - Oh the chagrin of not being told about the mascara!! Honestly, you would think someone would have said something!!!

    I'd love to see your you tube, of course.

    Re: Vitamin D - those of us living north of the 35th parallel (roughly a line from LA to Atlanta) will not get enough of the necessary rays to produce Vit. D during the winter months, no matter how clear and sunny it might be. Of course, living in W. Oregon, we don't produce Vitamin D, anyway - we rust. :) I have learned that mushrooms are a surprisingly good source of D as well as containing protein and fiber. Eaten raw, they actually make a great snack. O.K. . I admit to being weird.

    I am off this afternoon for my repeat biopsies. The results will show how well I've responded to neoadjuvant Femara, which will pretty much dictate the next steps in my treatment plan. PLEASE hope with me that the Ki-67 has dropped below 10%; that would be a very, very good sign and would make the rest of this process easier in many aspects. Thanks to all of you for your affection, caring and creative solutions to so many off the wall challenges.

  • mefromcc
    mefromcc Member Posts: 188
    edited November 2014

    Hopeful8201, Fingers and toes crossed for you.

  • Hopeful82014
    Hopeful82014 Member Posts: 3,480
    edited November 2014

    Thanks, Mefromcc! Much obliged.

  • revup-65
    revup-65 Member Posts: 94
    edited November 2014

    Akitagirl  no I don't write poetry but I use visuals in how I feel. Tell me were to go find you on u tube and if I can help I will.

    Fourminor I feel safe in sharing this with you and all. I was so angry I would scare pitbulls when I was going through my adventure in 95. My MO told a gal I worked with in the cancer support group at hospital that he didn't care for me but I grew on him, he decided to like me. I totally know how you feel, but after awhile being part of the cancer group like here I started to focus on my plan, now I am pissed off again but too old to be the pitbull, wouldn't mind being one again.

    Went to surgeon today and here is my gorilla to fight.

    HER2 -, ER/PR  positive high for both, K67-70%, John Hopkins Stage 2, grade 2. Having BM mid Dec. Breast MRI, Bone scan, chemo and all the rest ,time to buckle up it maybe a bumpy ride!

    My ? is my mitotic rate was very low,  slow growth, ER/PR positive, HER2- but K67 high, anyone have

    this. I am going to wait for oncotype because that is part of the panel before I get too excited. What a jungle out here.

    I so glad to have you guys otherwise I would have a straw bottle of wine and talking to myself. May happen anyway LOL

    Revelle

     

     


     

  • sandra4611
    sandra4611 Member Posts: 2,913
    edited November 2014
  • Hopeful82014
    Hopeful82014 Member Posts: 3,480
    edited November 2014

    Sandra - I think we ALL needed that cartoon today. It's wayyy too true, especially this week, with all the holiday preparations.

    Revup - That is one crazy path report. I'm sure it makes it hard to get your mind focused on the situation when you don't even know quite what you're dealing with. It truly is a jungle. I don't know about you, but jungles have less than no appeal to me! I'll go almost anyplace but that.


  • revup-65
    revup-65 Member Posts: 94
    edited November 2014

    Hopeful8201… I lived in Oregon for 9 years, vitamin D was so low I had to start taking 50000 a week. Interesting that I have read vitamin D lowers Ki-67 mine is very high also. Wonder if there is a correlation to this. Did you have oncotype done. Fingers crossed for you.

  • Hopeful82014
    Hopeful82014 Member Posts: 3,480
    edited November 2014

    A hopeful update from a long afternoon: I had the biopsies, got two more clips ($170 each per last experience - ouch). They had trouble distinguishing the malignant node from the rest of them as it's no longer that different, visually. It's a bit larger but not much, and it's in the right area.

    The tumor has shrunk by about 50%.

    I don't know if this is as much as my BS was expecting to see but I was very, very pleased and, for the first time in all of this, came pretty close to crying. (My husband was really worried, as it took much longer than last time and I couldn't talk when I came out to meet him, as I was afraid I'd break down. Go figure...)

    At any rate, I am cautiously optimistic and now I just hope they'll process the results ASAP. I'm going to the Middle East next week and would really like to know before then.


  • hummingbirdlover
    hummingbirdlover Member Posts: 421
    edited November 2014

    That's GREAT news Hopeful!! I'm so happy to hear the Femara is doing it's job!!

    I am trying not to obsess about BC as much, is that even possible? I did a puzzle with my son today. I really need to try to move on settle into my new normal. This is my last week of official time off and I'm back to work next week.

    I hope you all have a wonderful Thanksgiving with the ones you love and may God bless each and every one of you!

  • revup-65
    revup-65 Member Posts: 94
    edited November 2014

    Hopeful8201                 here's to you      
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  • Hopeful82014
    Hopeful82014 Member Posts: 3,480
    edited November 2014

    Hummingbird, it IS great, isn't it? I am so very impressed with what it's achieved.

    I understand the feeling of needing to move on and think puzzles are a great start. I hope you'll have a very blessed and happy Thanksgiving, too. I will be thinking of you.

    Revup, it's YOUR turn for some good news. I hope it comes sooner rather than later.

  • Fourminor
    Fourminor Member Posts: 354
    edited November 2014

    Revup,

    Is this a new primary for you also? My mitotic count was only a 1 also which is why I was doubtful about the efficacy of chemo on this tumor.

    What makes me crazy is that in 08 I had pure DCIS. Nothing else. Two excisions. This is same breast, just a few cm away and now I have ILC, LCIS and ADH. Here's the question no one can answer and no one will answer: Did radiation cause any of that?

    I still don't entirely buy the argument that since I had two neoplasms (the first one we now know for sure was completely removed and cured because there was absolutely no DCIS in my left breast at final pathology) that we need to be a little more aggressive with this one than we would normally be.

    Another question I have is whether the oncotype scoring needs to be subdivided by into lobular and ductal categories. They have different biological behavior and since ductal is much more common, the graph is weighted towards ductal, whereas lobular is a little less aggressive and less chemo responsive.

    I guess I am a born skeptic. I never bought into the margarine was better than butter, I've seen the over treatment with my own eyes in various scenarios, and although I know it often stems from an attempt to be do the best thing, I sort of trust mother nature more than anyone.

    So why am I going along? Because I have a 3 year old. Because his future self is the one I am answering to. Otherwise I would be booking my exchange for February and starting Tamoxifen.

  • TJG2
    TJG2 Member Posts: 61
    edited November 2014

    Sandra-LOVE IT! My husband is very intelligent...BUT....needed help on which buttons to push on the dishwasher and used the upholstry brush attachment to vacuum the floors! LOL!

  • Hopeful82014
    Hopeful82014 Member Posts: 3,480
    edited November 2014

    TJG2 - Love the image of your husband doing the floors with the upholstery brush. That's choice.

    Revup - Just saw your comment about your stint in Oregon. Were you on the west side of the mountains? It IS hard to get any vit. D here in the months between Sept. and July, basically, as you probably remember. I did remediation Vit. D 4 years ago, 50K units weekly as well, but I have to struggle to keep it up where it should be, even with supplements.

    I had not read that about Vit. D and the Ki-67 rate; that's very intriguing, since my Ki is way too high for comfort.

    Haven't had Oncotype done yet as my surgery's been postponed while we trial neoad. Femara. My BS and MO both had a sense that my Oncotype would fall in the intermediate range but are hopeful that Femara will help move it into the low end when we finally do it. I'm REALLY crossing my fingers on that, as you can imagine.

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