Winter rads 2014-2015
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I spent the week in St. George Utah where I receive all my BC medical care. This week I had radiation treatments # 5 - 10 and came back home for the week-end. It's amazing how being a lazy bum for 5 days made me feel so much better. I realize that everyone doesn't have the opportunity to take a mini vacation, but I did learn that when the doctors say "get rest" that it really does help. I know that getting one more week farther from chemo helps, but I feel so much better than I did.
Although I see no skin changes yet, I'm expecting to see something soon.
Hope it's a good week end for all.
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This is our list of Winter Warriors as of November 21 - I'll do my best to keep it current. Let me know if it needs a change.
ILCMom - December 15
HockeyCat - December
Minnielee - December
SandyLovesLucy - December 1
Nomatterwhat - November 17
Hope50 - November 5
Linzer – December 9
Mmtagirl - November 3
CoyoteNV - November 10
Shuf - unknown
surrrrana99 - December
MarisaG - December
Beachbaby65 - November 11
Perfectlyimperfect39 - November 23
Pita119 - December 1
Coloradocancermom - December
CAS4 - November 6
InGodshands - unknown
MagicalBean - October 28 ish
LMVerma - November 18
Yikes1 - November 17?
katieC12 – November 18
MeneK – October 24
Beachlady28 – November 17
Gongshow18 - November 20
eileenpg - December 1
JustJean - December 5
Lush61 - November 13
Purrrrana99 - January 5
Bippy625 - January ?December 22
bjeaneg - ?
Windgirl - January ?
Birdgirl11 - November 23
Rosa54 - November 13
dennyvol - November 5
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Magical Bean, I will take what we got over Buffalo's total any day - at least when I open my door I can leave the house!
dennyvol, I wish I could help you but I can't. I don't start rads until 12/8 and am still in the pissed off/scared to death phase because of this fifth encounter with bc and not having the scan results all in yet. Hopefully someone will come along tonight who has some better idea of how to advise you than I would. ((((dennyvol))))
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welcome dennyvol I am sorry you are here but we are a warm supportive group that you can vent to anytime. Your RO is who you need to talk to if this doesn't change. I don't know what your insurance situation is but maybe it would be worth switching facilities? I know that we are our own advocates and that this is a matter of finding out voice and making sure we get the best care we can. You deserve better and I would talk to you RO . I had four treatments before anyone explained the correct procedure for taking a breath in the tube I have to breathe into. Because my cancer is in the left breast I have to have my nose plugged and breathe into a tube so I can move my breast away from my heart when they radiate me. I hold a controller with a button but no one told me that releasing the button allows me to breathe. They told me to press it twice if I needed to talk to them. When I couldn't hold my breathe any longer I popped the tube out of my mouth and the machine was still going. I finally got smart and asked and shocked, they apologized and told me to release the button when I needed to breathe. When I had my weekly appt with my RO she talked with them and they were much more attentive and more through in they're explanations. Asking questions and asking for the care I deserve is something that took me awhile to do. It's odd because I wouldn't hesitate to speak up in my job or relationships. It's all overwhelming and scary and you can't assume the people giving you care are not gonna screw up. Find your voice. You are worth fighting for! As for the disconnect there are three radiation once and only two techs so yes there is a big disconnect which is why oh have to talk to your RO. I hope it gets better for you lots of hugs!
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perfectly imperfect
I feel the same way- scared it's going to come back. I find it hard to celebrate the milestones like finishing chemo because I'm thinking in the back of my mind that it may not really be over. I just try to push that thought out and focus on the present moment.
Finished rad #2 today and the technician asked if i'd like to see my treatment plan binder- she explained it all to me and I felt a lot calmer about it all when I left!
The technology is amazing!
It's the weekend!! Enjoy it everyone :-)
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Coyote, thanks for keeping this list. My start date was November 13. I'm so glad to hear that you are feeling better. I feel fortunate that my trip to treatment is very short. Take care of yourself.
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hi ladies! Thanks so much for those who responded to my question on the tattoos. It is such a relief to hear they are very small.
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Did any of you feel so bad during radiation that you just gave up and never went back? I'm due to start mine in a few weeks, and honestly don't know how well I'm going to manage.
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Caralex: I will be starting week 5 this Tuesday, and so far all I've experienced is a bit of sleepiness. I haven't had chemo though.
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to BeachBaby65
You brought up something that is interesting - about breathing into a tube. I asked about special breathing and ended up crying because the tech told me he did not know what I was talking about! So, then I talked to two radiation oncologists same day. To make long story short - I am NOT doing a special breathing with or without a tube.
I am wondering if there are certain factors that make a breathing technique helpful. I was told due to the type of "newer" equipment being used on me that the amount of radiation that my lung and heart will get are minimal, and that special breathing will not help. I am just curious if others are familiar with this.
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Beachbaby:
What I discovered this past week is that radiation plans are just as unique to each person as are tbe chemo plans/dosages. No two plans are exactly the same. There are so many variables that have to be taken into account it's mindboggling! Do what I did and at your next appointment and ask to have your treatment plan explained to you- ask to see it too.
The changes in radiation treatment over the last 5-10 years really is amazing. Not long ago everyone just got the same type of treatment and hoped for the best. We have come such a long way in being more proactive and specific when treating this awful disease. Keep asking questions until you get the answers you need.
Getting ready for my first full week of radiation!
Anyone who's taking/ going to take tamoxifen : did you start while still doing radiation?
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sorry my last post was in regards to what Yikes1 wrote...oops :-)
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Good morning ladies. The day is here. I go for my first radiation later today. I do have a question...when I went for SIM and tattooing I just took cancer side out of my robe. I did briefly cover that exposed side up and they took the other side of robe off to tattoo. It had me thinking since I have the tattoos on both side...do you lay there totally exposed from waist up? I hate the humiliation of being half reconstructed. I have a tissue expander on one side and my other side will have breast reduction and lift. I know the doctors have seen it all but it's still humiliating.
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Perfectly - The only "exposure" I experienced was during the set up during the SIM and the tattoos. During treatment, I wear a cape that goes to my waist that opens in the front. The area beneath my arms is open (as in a cape) The techs line up the tattoos to laser beams via the open under arms and front opening - never exposing anything at all, and cover me with a warm blanket. I deeply zone out during treatment because I've used self-hypnosis techniques to relax for years. If your clinic does not offer the capes, I think I have seen them for sale. Radiation goes through fabric, so there is no reason to be exposed. That would be uncomfortable.Yikes - I was concerned about the breathing thing too. I read the posts until I discovered that it sometimes involves women who are receiving radiation on the left side because of the relationship to the heart. I don't know if you are getting treatment on the right or the left. What kind of equipment do they use at your clinic?
I am certainly enjoying my week-end off from treatment.
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To Gongshow16 - thank you, I realize what you wrote was in response to my question.
I was told I will start tamoxifen after radiation has been done, about 3 weeks after.
Yes- many changes in radiation treatment. I am going to a "state of the art" new facility with computer aided ability. I was shown a chart of how much radiation they expect to each area - heart, lung, etc.
To perfectlyimperfect39 - I put on a robe and they take my left arm out so that side is exposed. Maybe you should ask about your options for doing this? I think they need to have the tattoos exposed to line up the machine.
To CoyoteNV - yes, it is my left side but not sure the breathing is not related to the lung tissue as well. Interesting you can have a blanket on during treatment.
I do know that my lumpectomy surgery involved going to the chest wall and that seems to be a big concern that I get radiation to the chest wall area.
I looked this up on their web site to try to provide accurate info.
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- Intensity Modulated Radiation Therapy (IMRT) is a cutting edge cancer treatment method that uses specialized equipment to match the radiation beam to the contours of the tumor, which allows for precise delivery of higher doses of radiation to the cancer cells and spares the surrounding healthy tissues.
- Image Guided Radiation Therapy (IGRT) is a technique that involves imaging the tumor area on a daily basis while the patient is on the treatment table. If the present image shows a change to the planned treatment image, the radiation oncologist can make an instant change to the active treatment field before treatment is delivered.
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Yes we both began rads 11/17/14. Maybe we can keep in touch to see how we are doing. Going daily for rads is a constant reminder that I am fighting cancer which can be depressing. No burns yet but do have some sharp stinging pains. I am getting 33 rads in all, 28 whole breast then 5 boosts at the end which will be 1/5/15. My Rad Doc said ok to start Aloe, Aquafor and Vitamin E so I do one of them after rads and also in the morning. Put some cornstarch over the area after you apply and the cream/gel/oil won't get on your clothes. Also, I got the usual tats but the techs also marked me with a black sharpie pen then put these clear small circle stickies over the marks that stay on even in the shower. So I don't have the ink getting on the clothes issue. Hope this info helps anyone with that problem. We have enuf to deal with without worrying about ruining our clothes.
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Hi Perfectly,
I have had my first 4 treatments. I also have had a mastectomy on the right side with tissue expanders and nothing on the left breast. I will also be getting a reduction and lift on that side when I have my implants done. For my radiation, they do remove my gown. I have tattoos on both sides. They do try to cover the breast area on the left side but need to be able to see all the tattoos for alignment. In addition, since my radiation is aimed more at my chest wall since I don't have a breast, they cover me with a wet pillowcase for my treatments to bring the radiation closer to the skin. When they do this, it covers both breasts. I was also a little hesitant at first about being exposed, especially since at the first treatment,one of the techs was male. There usually are two techs lining me up. They have been so kind and respectful, that after the first day where I was a little uncomfortable, it is much more routine now. They really try to make it as comfortable as possible. I do close my eyes during the treatment and try to think of other things but I have not found it to be a bad experience at all. I do ask them questions too and they are very helpful in answering them. Good luck!
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Thanks, MagicalBean. I hope my only side effects will be a bit of tiredness too, and nothing more serious.
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I've had 13 rads now. Glad to have a break this weekend. Chest began itching yesterday and have several bumps going on. A little red but not bad. The area is kinda tender today. We will see what this week holds.
They cover me with what looks like a pillow case. They fold up the sides to get me all lined up and then put them down when the radiation begins. They also do X-rats each week, I was concerned about feeling exposed also at first. The techs are very good and have made it easier. Going everyday is a reminder of what we are fighting. We have to keep fighting and do our best to keep our spirits up. That at times can be challenging.
Hope everyone had a good weekend.
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I must be going to the wrong clinic. I go in, put on a cape, walk across the hall to the machine, lay down on the table and lower my cape to my waist leaving me fully exposed. I never thought anything about it until reading some of your posts. Maybe, it is because I don't have any breasts left. What is this "thing" that draws the radiation closer to the skin?
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Seeing the different treatment procedures is really interesting. Perhaps it is the type of equipment that requires the differences. I mentioned earlier in the posts that my clinic uses TomoTherapy equipment. It is a type of IGRT that uses CT scans. (Thanks for the info Yikes) The machine looks like a donut and the table (and me) slide into the hole. After the techs get me lined up, I slide inside the donut hole and they take CT scans. I come out and if it looks good I go back in. The machine circles around and sends image directed radiation beams from 360 degrees. Why that makes a difference as far as covering up is concerned, I don't know.
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Gongshow I started Tamoxifen the same day I saw the oncologist, before I started rads. He said to start immediately, so I filled the prescription that night and took one. I had the impression most people start after rads but my doctor said why wait. Have enjoyed my weekend off. The first two days this week I get to go to work, leave at lunch time, drive to the clinic, and then go back to work. Not real thrilled about that, but if that's the only thing bothering me then I guess I'm lucky. Tuesday I get to see the oncologist again, but I know I also have to go on a computer and fill out a questionnaire about how I'm feeling before I see him.
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Nomatterwhat we must be at a similar clinic! I put the crappy, old, open in the back gown on, race across the hall take my right arm out and lie down, thereby exposing my right side from neck to waist of my jeans- or pajamas, whatever I slapped on. The techs from hell- or I should say the techs I'm just giving up on- tape the gown down the middle of me and then begin their daily artwork. They return between "zaps" to add more sharpie lines some of which they like to cover in scotch tape. No getting "that area" as in my right front and side wet until I'm done w treatments - 32 total, last 5 boosts, #13 tmrw- dec 22 is last one- until then I smell like roadkill on a hot highway. I actually blamed a stranger's dog for farting last week at the vet- true story- ugh- the owner was so handsome and sat on my right side- the stinky side- my only defense was to blame his damn dog and it worked, he even apologized for the damn dog. I've been instructed to fill a sock with cornstarch and "slap" it up into my right armpit- I see no point in this activity at all except maybe if I need to make a stinky paste. I've also been told by techs and patients and an RO that sometimes radiation can cause terrible odor- let's hope this isn't permanent.
I actually was asked to do a photo shoot w my surgeon for MDA and for some medical journal about her new technique of surgery that saves more lymph nodes. Lucky me I got to dress in a crappy, old, open in the back gown while she pretended to feel me up for the camera. I asked the photographer if he would send me one or two of the pics. He did. It's the most horrifying photo I've ever seen- and its me!!! Ugh. I know I've gained 40 and I know I'm pasty and I know my tits are "misaligned" and I know my hair is growin back in pubic style patches and I know my eyebrows and eyelashes are gone and I know my face is puffy and I know there are bags under my eyes and I know I look tired and I know I don't walk as fast and I KNOW I'm kicking cancer's ass- but that photo hit me in the gut and there's not a damn bit of it I can blame on photos adding 10 pounds- besides- with 40 already gained why should I give a shit about 10 more!? I'm merely a suggestion physically of the girl that began this journey. So I've had to pull myself up and dust myself off this weekend and slap myself around and remind myself it could be much worse and I see the much worse every day, whether it's patients at MDA or the sad, bitter woman at the grocery store. It can always be worse. And my 4 dogs don't seem to mind nor my true friends and most strangers are incredibly polite- I just have to remind myself to be polite to myself as well, I deserve it, we all do. Remember that, ladies.
Yikes1 / Gongshow- I am slated to start Tamoxifen after Rad and I'm dreading it.
Caralex- I've done 12- was extremely exhausted after 8-11 oddly. But a 45 min nap completely recharged me. I drink tons of water- tons- other than that no side effects yet at all- I do walk my dogs a few miles a day but not all at once. The leftover side effects from my chemo bother me more. Radiation hasn't bothered me yet.
Chemo was easy for me. Lots of issues with my knees now and I can barely move if I've been seated more than 10 minutes, horribly stiff when I awake. Began after rad 2 having extreme neck, spine and under right scapula pain, extreme and I can handle pain. Threw Advil, Vicodin, ice, heat, you name it at it to no avail. Saw my chiro 3x this past week for deep tissue, tens machine, stretching and adjustments. He says he sees it all the time in Breast cancer patients- the radiation can destroy the muscle tissue and cause permanent damage and lifelong issues. I've added some stretching exercises and bought a lacrosse ball I put on the floor and roll it around to try and break up the knots in that area. The dogs uses this as an opportunity to give me a facial, so that's fun. I asked my surgeon about it and she said yes it is a side effect that's possible- I wanted to tell her finding a baby giraffe is possible too but not likely! The lists of possibilities are endless and it irritates me what they "forgot" to mention- but it wouldn't change anything, I'd still have my gloves on in the ring with this monkey working on a KO. Sure am glad I've got YALL! Anyone putting on a big meal this week? I'm so scared of sugar and dairy and carbs its damn near ruined my favorite meal- happy Monday!
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oh CAS, so sorry you have such a crsppy clinic. I can't believe MDA treats you like that. Lots of women from my area head down there for a second opinion. Geesh, I just don't get how the tats are considered my invasive or less QOL than not washing the sharpies. Seriously, I have to look very hard for my tat dots and they did not hurt at all.
Be gentle with yourself. I have had similar reactions when I see a photo or for months looking in the mirror I wondered who was that woman staring back at me. It's better now that the hair at least covers my head and the lashes have returned. I, too, get very stiff now. I find that I absolutely must do some kind of exercise or I am miserable. I blamed it on the tamoxifen I started a few months ago.
#17 today. Have a rash starting underneath that itches. RO yesterday said it was a common side effect from treatment. Using hydrocortisone cream they gave me on it and it is helping the itch. Otherwise, I am turning a nice shade of bright pink but no pain. Fatigue started last week and went from mild to moderate. Otherwise in count down mode to finish up this hellishly long year!
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Oh, and I do get the bolus (wet washcloth) every other treatment, too. I find my skin is more red after the bolus probably because the radiation is closer to the skin. And my cancer was in the left breast so I have to hold my breath for each zap.
Happy Monday everyone!
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Yikes1, I'm not sure why it's different in different areas.. I go to The Phil Knight Cancer Institute in Portland and as much funding that they get you would think they have the latest equipment. They don't. They only have one machine for holding your breath so you have to go to beaverton to get treatment. I was told that if ct they took of my chest during the SIM showed that the area they needed to target was far enough away from my heart, then I wouldn't need to hold my breath.obviously that was not the case. I've done 13 I come in wearing a gown that opens in the back, I lay down, pull my arms out of the gown, put my arms over my head. The techs( sweet ladies thank God) put a clamp on my nose, a mouth piece hooked to a tube hooked to a computer , and a controller with a button in my hand.they expose both breasts line up ratios with machine, then cover me with a warm blanket. Partially covering my right breast but leaving the left exposed. During my SIM we practiced breath holding and determined I could go to 26 sec comfortably so that's what I shoot for. It means it takes two times on each side to get it done sometimes I can go long enough that it's just once on each side. I'm usually done in 3 or 4 mins except on Tuesdays when they take films and I meet with my ro. My last 5 will be boosts and I will get to lay on my side ( no breathing), and they will only target the tumor area at a stronger dose. A little tenderness but no pinkness or skin break down. Calendula cream is awesome. My Appts are late afternoon so I can try to get what hrs ny job can give me that day. If I had to work after, that would be hard because an hour after I'm physically exhausted.
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it's nuts how different all the facilities are! Most of Breast at MDA is in The Mays bldg which is beautiful compared to all other hospitals I've been in. Mmtagirl I MUST exercise or I simply can't move and I hurt more and have less energy but I don't do any exercise compared to you!! I'm not on tamoxifen yet and I look like Herman Munster in the am, once I get the dogs walked s out half a mile I start to loosen up. I want to take the free Pilates classes at MDA but they're always at noon- my zap zone. All of the other ladies I've met have awesome techs- I had one fill in with my group on Friday- she was an angel! My others are too young to really understand compassion and patience and empathy are required. Meeting with their director again today. Mmtagirl how many do you have left? I feel like soon I may regret being allergic to Benadryl.
Beachbaby65 I have no idea how you do that but you are one awesome gal!! Holy cow!! I'm a little pink but no pain, I clearly fried my Tatas too many times in tanning beds as a kid I guess.
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CAS4,
I go to the MDA here in NJ and so far I haven't had any problems. I start my treatments 12/1. When I had my SIM, I got 3 tattoos but they said they couldn't give them to you because they were considered invasive? That is really strange that two facilities connected to MDA operate so differently. I'll let you know what their protocol is with being exposed during treatment, etc. once I start.
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just found out I get 25 rads, likely beginning Dec 22.... Pending healing from bmx. Liked doc, very gentle and caring, easy to talk to. Hope my techs do not suck
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I can agree with the looking in the mirror and someone totally different looking back. I want the old fun me not this short dark haired unrecognizable boring person. My cousin tells me I am a free spirit and I have to tell her that was the old me. Anyways I do try to say it can always be worse but darn it could be better Grrr Sorry having pity party today. Bless you ladies that drive far for treatment and work through it. You all totally rock. Well today was day two and not that it's bad I much rather be doing other things. As soon as I get out I gob on the aquaphor, put on an old t shirt, then my bra over it and th r n a regular shirt. Hard enough to find good bras so I rather mess up old t shirts. Well hope you all have a great day. Were getting crazy high winds in Michigan.
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