Stage 0 DCIS Grade is 2-3, ER++ and PR +++
Hi Everyone,
What I have is what is listed in the subject line.
I was diagnosed on 03 Sept this year after a long and hard fight to get the biopsy done comfortably! Just to give you an idea...I was once a "Pin Cushion" for my Mothers EMT-Intermediate class, to help them learn how to start IV's. I never thought I had a sensitive spot on my body....until the Biopsy on my breast!
I will be going in on 04 Nov for a Bilateral Mastectomy with a SLN Biopsy to be done (getting "loaded" the day before) with a possible Axillary Node Dissection (depending on what is found). I literally seem to be quite TERRIFIED of the operation for some reason!
Anyone who has had what I have exactly here? Can you tell me anything about your experience?
Thank You In Advance!!!
Airsong
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My guess is that an ER+/PR+ grade 2-3 DCIS is probably among the most common diagnoses of DCIS. It's not the lowest risk - which would be a small ER+/PR+ grade 1 DCIS - but certainly it's not the most aggressive. So that's good news.
How large is your area of DCIS? Single focus or multi-focal?
And up to this point, have you had just a needle biopsy or have you had a surgical biopsy / lumpectomy?
Are you having the SNB done only on the DCIS side? Normally when someone with DCIS has a MX, an SNB is done, however because DCIS cannot move to the nodes, the only risk of finding nodal involvement is if it turns out that some invasive cancer is found in your breast, in addition to the DCIS. So the odds of both these things happening (finding invasive cancer and being node positive) is very low for those who have a preliminary diagnosis of pure DCIS.
These days, even when invasive cancer and nodal involvement is found, often an axillary node dissection is not done. With nodal involvement, chemo is often recommended, and studies have found that for those who have chemo, there is no difference in survival between those who have just an SNB vs. those who have a full axillary dissection. The more nodes removed, the greater the risk of lymphedema (and this is a life long risk) so as a rule it's better to not remove more nodes than necessary. Just something to consider before you agree to your surgeon going ahead, during your BMX surgery, with a full axillary dissection, should you be found to be node positive.
Are you having reconstruction? And if so, are you having immediate reconstruction (i.e. the first phase of reconstruction is started at the time of the MX)? That will make a big difference in what you can expect from the surgery.
Sorry for all the questions, but what you can expect varies a lot depending on some of these things.
EDITED to add: Lady_Airsong, I just read your other post, so there is one thing I want to add. While a BMX may reduce your risk of recurrence and will significantly reduce your risk of being diagnosed again, unfortunately some risk will remain. So you will need to remain diligent and check for lumps, and you may need a biopsy in the future. Unfortunately there is nothing we can do to ensure that we never have to worry about breast cancer again - even a BMX after a non-invasive diagnosis can't ensure this.
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Beesie,
I do not know any of this. There was no "lump." I had my yearly mammogram and they noted this "micro-calcification" in the left breast close to the chest wall. Let me give you my Pathology report (which I know not how to read)
Diagnoses:
Breast, "left" (stereotactic needle core biopsy)
-Intermediate- to High Grade ductal carcinoma in situ (DCIS).
-Pattern: Solid
-Nuclear grade: II-III (intermediate to high grade)
-Size: 0.4 cm
-Necrosis: Present
-Microcalcifications: Present; associated with DCIS and non-neoplastic breast tissue.
-Ancillary studies:
Estrogen Receptor: Positive (2+)
Progesterone Receptor: Positive (3+)
- No evidence of invasive carcinoma
Gross description: the specimen is received in formalin labeled with patient identifiers and "Left breast" and consists of multiple needle biopsy fragments in yellow-tan fibroadipose tissue which has an aggregate measurement of 2.5x1.9x 0.5 cm
Total formalin fixation time = 11 hours and 23 minutes
Tissue fixed in 10% neutral buffered formalin.
Microscopic Description
A microscopic examination was performed on the sections submitted. The microscopic findings support the final diagnoses.
Immunohistochemical Stains
Speciamen formalin fixed and embedded in parrafin
Controls react appropriately
Representative tissue in all sections examined
ER: Positive (2+)
PR: Positive (3+)
Calponin: Highlights myoepithelial layer around benign and neoplastic glands, supporting in situ process
p63:Highlights myoepithelial layer around benign and neoplastic glands, supporting in situ process
CK7: Highlights epithelium
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My Pre-Op Orders state:
ICD-9 233.0: Carcinoma in situ of breast
Mastectomy with Sentinel Lymph Node Biopsy And Possible Axillary Dissection (Surg)
to be performed on or about 11/04/14 Note to Provider: 19303 left mastectomy with sentinel node biopsy 38525 and lymphoscintigraphy
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As to the reconstruction? No...not at this time. I would like to get my blood sugars under better control (last A1C was 7.2) and I am currently working with a nutritionist on it.
I am CLUELESS here Bessie....no family history, live WAY out into the country, so this is my only support system I have. Is there anything I should ask my doctor in particular??? I send him emails with questions almost daily...but I do not understand a lot of things. I just want it to go away!!
We opted out of the lumpectomy because I get burns from band aids! Plus with my Fibromyalgia, I already feel like crap daily, my surgeon feels like with all the easy burning and Fibro why should I go that route?
He said mastectomy of the left breast with reconstruction and augmentation of the right. I said NO breasts, but like the good girl I am I went and saw the reconstructive surgeon. He wanted to do some slide of skin...I told him absolutely NOT because of 1) diabetes 2) fibromyalgia and 3) piriformis syndrome of the right hip and leg. So he said...Expanders...I said NO...IF I do reconstruction I know that I do not want to be bigger than the sizer I currently am. So...the IF because immediate implants to him. I said NO Thanks...not at this time. I do not need boobs to "feel like a woman."
I can find absolutely nobody who has opted out of reconstruction to tell me their experiences...I have no support group...and, once again, I have no clue what is going on or what is happening. All I know is that I am scared to death and surgery is in 10 days!
Have I whined enough? I am SCARED
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Of course you are scared! That's normal. But the thing to remember is that you have what appears to be a very favorable diagnosis.
So, a few things:
Normally DCIS does not present as a lump; usually it's discovered through calcifications. So the fact that you had no lump is pretty much the norm for those who have DCIS.
0.4cm is tiny. Really tiny. Hopefully the final pathology confirms the small size, but you should be aware that it's possible, after surgery and once you have the final pathology report, that the actual area of DCIS might turn out to be larger - imaging isn't always completely accurate. But, whatever size your cancer ends up being, it's unlikely to be large. To put it in perspective, I had over 6cm (actually more like 7 or 8 cm) of high grade DCIS with comedonecrosis, in two different areas of my breast.
Your DCIS, being intermediate to high grade, and with necrosis, is somewhat aggressive. That's why if you had a lumpectomy, even though the area of DCIS is so small, radiation would be recommended. A mastectomy is the way to avoid radiation.
With no reconstruction, mastectomy surgery generally is pretty easy. Not having reconstruction makes it a much simpler and quicker surgery and recovery. Lots of women choose no reconstruction. This board has a forum specifically for women who choose the no reconstruction option. You might want to read there, and maybe post your questions there about the surgery and recovery. I had a single MX with implant reconstruction, with the expander placed at the time of my MX, so my experience was different. Here's a link to the other forum on this board : Living Without Reconstruction After a Mastectomy
Your surgery order appears to specify only a left breast mastectomy; there is no reference to your right breast. If that's the complete document, and if you are expecting to have a bilateral mastectomy, you'd better clear that up with your surgeon. The surgical order does allow the surgeon to proceed with an axillary node dissection if he feels it's necessary. Personally, if it were me, I would not agree to that. Nor would I agree to having an SNB done on the prophylactic side. But there are different points of view about that, and so those are decisions you need to make for yourself. My recommendation is that you read up more about it, ask more about it on this board, talk to your surgeon and maybe get a second opinion before the surgery date. In the end, it is your decision on what the surgeon is approved to do when he operates.
Lastly, this post that I wrote some time ago explains more about DCIS: A layperson's guide to DCIS
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Beesie....Thank You! Will clear that up with my surgeon on the right breast issue, and hit both your links! I am off to bed because my normal is usually 8pm...but this was the only "time" I had for me (and I got a call in at 11:17pm from a person about rescue! GOOD GRIEF!)
So Thank You from the bottom of my heart and I will be back tomorrow!!!!
Airsong
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Hi Lady Airsong, I would agree with everything Beesie has told you here and I would urge you to read her info on DCIS. I printed it out for my friends and family when i was Dx.
I am a Uni, just one breast, no recon, there are a lot of us around the boards. I chose to have just the Umx, no Rads, if I didn't have any surprises after the final pathology, fortunately, I didn't and I also had a SNB.
I had a very easy time with my surgery and SNB, a few hiccups along the way, but nothing serious. I am almost 2 years out and haven't regretted any of my decisions. Take care, and come visit the other threads and talk to the other ladies about living without recon.
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Hello Airsong, sorry you are joining us, but welcome! As you can already tell you're in good company!
Sending love and best wishes for your surgery and recovery.
The Mods
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Thank You for the Hello's Ladies!
It is SO lovely to finally have a support system that I can talk to. It is very hard living so far from town to get to anything without major rearranging of pup-sitters!
Beesie...I have printed your article on DCIS for my husband to read...he is just as terrified as I am, and it is a 'PAWSOME' article that has helped ease my mind some already on what is going on! You have broken it down into simplicity for those of us who are on 'information overload' already (from those generic articles that hint, but do not outright discuss, what is going on)...and unfortunately unable to take anything more in, until what is there is processed first! Next up? I am hitting the discussion board on no Recon...
Ariom! Hello!! Thank You for the Welcome! I love people and the more I can hear of others stories the more comfortable I feel! Thank You for sharing! I just had a Double Major Surgery this past March and it took only 3 weeks to 'be recovered' enough for hubby to go back to work...so I am hoping that my usual stubborn fortitude will help make this one easier as well!!
And My Mods! Thank You for your LOVE and Good Wishes! I am ever so Grateful you are here because I am, (according to my Mother who passed away 10 Sept 09 of Pancreatic Cancer) quite 'tactless' with my mouth and I NEED to be moderated!
Thank God that there is this place for me to go too!
Airsong
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Hi Airsong, you're welcome! I look forward to seeing you on the boards. Just ask anything, there's really nothing off limits here! The women are great and will do heir best to share their experiences with you.
Take it easy, you'll do fine!
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Well Ladies...I am back! I had the BMX on the 4th. Funny thing though...when the pathology came back...it showed NOTHING THERE!!! Apparently the biopsy took everything out!! My Surgeon says I do not need chemo, radiation or any pills...but he has not sent me to an Oncologists and has my BC was Hormone Receptive...should I push for one and possible Tam?? I do not want to look such a Gift in the mouth and say Bah! but shouldn't I be doing something?
I do not have but a minute to update...will return later to see if you ladies have any suggestions?
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With a BMX and pure DCIS, your risk of recurrence, while not zero, is very low (I believe in the 1-2% range). Tamoxifen would lower your risk another 40% - so 40% of 2, which would get it down to 1.2%. While it is of course a very personal decision, most doctors would probably say that the risks of Tamoxifen side effects are most likely not worth such a small reduction in recurrence rate. You could of course ask to speak to an oncologist about it - there's no harm in meeting with one for a consult, and they ought to be able to answer any questions you have.
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Hi LadyAirsong! Glad to hear you're through the surgery and on this side of it now. Congratulations!
Sounds like you have a great final pathology report. By having the Mx and a clear path report, you don't require the rads that you likely would have had, if you had opted for a lumpectomy. Chemo is never given for Pure DCIS and Tam isn't a done deal after this Dx, I don't take it either. You certainly can opt to take Tam, but I would be finding out if the pros outweigh the cons, in your personal situation.
You have the final path that everyone would like to have!
I am a little confused with your surgery line, did you have both, an Axillary clearance and a Sentinel Node Biopsy?
I wish you the very best for a speedy, uneventful recovery!
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I had my BMX September 20. I saw my MO the week before my surgery and she said if the pathology report came back without any invasive cancer, I could stop the tamoxifan. I was on it in the months between my lumpectomy and BMX.
I, too, had a clean pathology report. All my cancer had been removed in the original biopsy and lumpectomy. I rejoice with you LadyAirSong! Ain't it grand to know we got it all?!?
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