Starting Chemo October 2014
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Hi All, I just wanted to post a delightful little update that happened on my third chemo treatment last Thursday. 3 people got to "ring the bell" while I was there. It's very heart-warming to see them finish and brings me comfort to know that I can finish too!
Ilovecoasters, those are really strict orders and makes me wonder why. I just asked my MO to approve me for air travel and he didn't seem to think it would be a problem. I travel a lot for work - but haven't worked since March and the medical bills are starting to pile up. If I get this assignment, I will be traveling every other week for work through February and will be doing the chemo treatments when I'm back home. I will find out tomorrow if I get this assignment. I will definitely have to be diligent on airplanes regarding germs.
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llovecoasters, I agree with the others. Seems too restrictive. We are pretty much on the same schedule/regimen and I don't face many restrictions about going out or having others come in. (My MO said to avoid kissing people who are obviously sick!
) But we are traveling for Thanksgiving to see our family and I'm really looking forward to it. I think this is an important time to be around family and friends, they can really boost your spirits. I am mostly teleworking, but that's often more productive for me, and I really look forward to the days when I can go into the office.
Leto, thanks. I love those "ring the bell" stories. Can't wait to read about when everyone on this thread rings hers.
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llovecoasters, What is a chemo class? Maybe I need to take this. The nutritionist did say I should avoid soy and refined sugars and gave me a list of things that would help me not feel sick. Every thing on that list except apples and grits make me feel sick so the list is in a folder.
I know we all have different things going on so different regiments call for more extreme measures I am sure to avoid complications.
There is a real sad face nurse who advocates for the BC patients where I am at who comes in to help break down what the doctors say. When I asked my MO what could I eat he said I am not restricting you right now, then I said can I still teach pole fitness he said if you feel up to it you can do what your body tells you. After he left the sad face nurse came back in and said, "you may want to take a break from the pole for awhile, it's probably not good for you to be flipping around". I had to laugh. I don't over do it, but I still teach part time. I have my next treatment 12/1 too and look forward to hearing back from you as to if they lift some of your restrictions.
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Hi everyone ...Can I join this board ? I start chemo December 16. A Christmas to remember for sure. I was diagnosed with HER2/positive 3+ and will be receiving Adriamycin for four treatments 21 days apart. Then cyclophosphamide once a week for 12 weeks. I don't think I know the words to describe how I feel about all this. I will be getting my lymph nodes checked and a port put in December 6. Everyone says stay strong, but I wonder how right now. I too wondered what to take to chemo treatments besides my husband. He is scared to death too. I hurt for him to have to go through this also. Any advice or helpful ideas would be greatly appreciated.
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Hi Sophie14, and welcome. I think we all went through a huge shock when 1) we were diagnosed and 2) we learned we really needed chemo. But you will find lots of help and comfort here. I found a great list on one of these discussion boards about what to shop for before starting chemo. You will see other ideas posted in this October thread and others. And in addition to this thread, you may want to post with the December group as well. Chemo is doable. And, we're with you!
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ilovecoaster, guessing it boils down to 'practice' again. Restrictions are what your MO is comfortable with and that's what he advises.
Chemo classes = the education provided by your treatment center before you start your treatments, what to expect from the center, from the treatments, how to avoid the problems, treat the SEs, when to call and how to contact after hours if needed etc etc. Hopefully everyone gets this education wherever they go for tx, probably called something besides Chemo class.
I am SO looking forward to ringing that damned bell!!!!
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I'm just wondering how much time I have before I decide on the kind of treatment for stage one breast cancer ( nodes negative and Oncotype DX 23). My mastectomy was done Sept. 23 (today is the 59th day since surgery without treatment), and I've been told by my doctor that I have 120 days, but that I should not wait that long if I don't have to. And yet, others have told me 80 days. Which is it? I don't think I've waited too long, but I don't know if I should have chemo AND hormone treatments or just hormone treatment . I'm considering hormone treatment alone because I am really hesitant about chemo for several reasons. Quite frankly, I'm surprised that my doctor would recommend that I be given chemo in spite of the fact that it's stage one with negative nodes. Does anyone know the amount of days safely allowed after surgery before a decision is made in terms of treatment? -
Hi Eleanor, I'm in the November Chemo group but lurk in this thread. Here's a Link that gives info about the Oncotype DX. It's given to women at Stage 1 or 2 who are Node Negative to assess the possibility of the cancer reoccurring. Your Doctor is probably recommending you consider Chemo because a score of '23' falls into the 'Intermediate Risk Category' for the cancer recurring. I'm not sure about how many days it's safe to wait, but in my situation I had to wait 73 days from my original surgery for chemo to begin as I unfortunately had three surgeries. It does make me nervous that I had to wait so long, given my cancer is Grade 3 and node positive, but it couldn't be helped.
If you do decide to go with Chemo, it is probably better to start sooner than later, imo. Good Luck with your decision! Either way, there's a lot of great support on this board.
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Sophie, the best advice I can give you is to go back and read older posts. My husband went to every single doctor's appointment, every chemo treatment and the first radiation consult appointment I had. I kept telling him he didn't need to go with me, but he kept telling me that if WE were going to get through this WE were going to get through this together. I'm sure your husband is as scared as mine was, but as we went through this journey and we understood more and more, he became more convinced that I was going to be around for another 32 years of marriage. After a BMX, 4 rounds of chemo and 5 days of radiation I am still fat, sassy and giving him hell!!! As far as what you want to take to chemo with you, take whatever you want. I took my laptop, books, crossword puzzle books, crackers and always took my Ginger Ale to calm the nausea. I always made sure I took my Zofran every six hours and/or when I ate a meal and even kept crackers and Ginger Ale beside my bed at night and when I got up I would eat a couple of crackers and drink some Ginger Ale and take a Zofran. Don't let yourself get hungry, if you let the nausea get ahead of you, it will be harder to get rid of it. You need to take care of yourself and pay attention to what your body is telling you. We are here for you when you need us.
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Eleanor, every doctor is different. Does your hosp have a "tumor board"? At mine every doctor looks at every patient and they come up with the treatment plan as a team, like a built in second opinion. If that is not what your hosp does, then go for a second opinion. I am oncotype 23 as well, but I has a positive node, so I am In chemo. Perhaps your age, or grade, or hormone receptors have something to do with it. Your doc should explain why he/she thinks chemo is a prudent course of action, but in the end, it is your decision. Also, once you start, you can stop if you want, they don't handcuff you to the treatment chair
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Thanks for the advice Nomatterwhat. I think I will pack a few things in my bag for my husband too. Like your husband he is trying to learn how to help take care of me. For this I am greatly blessed.
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Sophie, my husband is learning too. When I had terrible diarrhea he asked if he should go to the Drugstore to get something. I said yes, he says, what do I get? I replied: "I don't know, ask the pharmacist!". Another time I ask him to bring me some Motrin, he can't find it. I swear it's in the medicine cabinet, finally he figures it out, Ibuprofin is the same as Motrin. Lol! He's been coming to my treatments too, and last time insisted on driving me to get my Neulasta shot. The treatments are boring, but he brings the newspaper and his laptop. Tell your hubby to bring snacks too
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Eleanor
I am stage 1, grade 3 IDC, node negative with an oncotype score of 23. After talking with my MO, my chances of distant recurrence with chemo is 11% so - I had a BMX, going through 8 rounds of CMF chemotherapy three weeks apart and then will take Tamoxifen.
For me, it all boiled down to I wanted to know at the end of the day that I did everything I possible could to reduce the recurrence risk for me.
I started chemo therapy 7 weeks after my BMX.
Everyone is different and you have to weigh all of the pros and cons for your situation.
If you have any questions, ask them here or PM me.
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Sophie -
My husband has gone to all of my BS and MO appointments with me as well as both chemo infusions so far. He says that we are going to get through this and I do believe that. It is nice to have him with me during chemo as it is a long day. There are other men and women there to talk with, but none know me like my husband and he is who I feel most comfortable with.
As for what to take with you - take whatever makes you feel happy and comfortable. In my bright orange chemo bag, I have a small blanket, small pillow, book, nook, magazine, note cards (for writing out thank you notes), pen, coloring book, crayons, snacks, water, ginger ale, CarMax (chapstick), extra phone charger, crossword puzzle book. I have to admit that I haven't used anything in my bag except for the note card and pen so far. My husband and I usually just hang out and talk. He is my rock, but I have to say he is also helpful to other patients undergoing chemo that don't have a person with them. He helps them with blankets, IV poles, food and drinks.
I agree with Nomatterwhat. Keep ahead of your nausea. After chemo, I take a Zofran when I get home and always keep gingerale and oyster crackers with me. I have found that if my stomach gets empty, I tend to feel nauseous. I am not hungry mind you, but there is a difference. I take the Zofran every 6 - 8 hours and make sure if I am going to eat a meal (which is rare) during the time after chemo, that I take a Zofran. For breakthrough nausea, I take Compazine. It makes me really sleepy but does the trick. I have only had to use this a time or two.
Take it one day at a time and we will get through this together!
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Hi Sophie14, this board has been like a Godsend for me. I got the news the end of September and that day I felt like I was gut punched when I walked out of the surgeons office after the bombarded my husband and I with so much information I couldn't see straight. I walked into the bathroom came back out and met him in the hallway and fell apart for all of 5 minutes, we just cried and held each other, after that I went to O'Charleys and had 4 straight whiskey shots and went and told my family. It took a few weeks but the calm set in, my husband and I have been growing our faith for some time now and once I realized that this is a test to strengthen it all the worry went away along with the anxiety. I spend more time trying to calm the worry of my mother and younger sisters who want me to just sit and do nothing. I have always been a planner and this was not in my plan so it has been an adjustment and those days when my energy level is not turbo like it usually is it frustrates me and the emotions are all over the board. I have always been curvy with great hair, now the things that I thought were me are being adjusted, the hair is gone, the boobs are soon to be gone and replaced it's not anything that I thought, but I guess it is to be what it is suppose to be. We just keep living, my husband and I are both in law enforcement so there are rotating shifts and call outs and trying to work some to conserve some of your sick days for when you really need them is a task but he has been at all my appointments even when he is coming off night shift. The last time he was asleep in the uncomfortable chair while I was crocheting getting my cocktail, he just wants to be there and even though I tell him I am fine to drive myself which I am and have done he insists. I know it makes him feel good and he says if he could take it away he would, but I know even if I could give it to him I would not. My chemo bag has my favorite blanket made for me by a friend, one of my pillows, crosswords, and my crochet I also have my tunes and where I go has tvs so I watch that to. I even took a little nap the first time with my ear buds in. I like to have shoes in which I can slide in and out of so I can get comfy when I let the chair back. It is a journey but so many have made it and been able to testify to it and we will too. When you feel overwhelm remember we are all here for one another.
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what an amazing post She! god is SO good
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Thanks everyone for the replies about what to put in a chemo trip bag. These melt downs have been rough the past few days. I guess it's just part of the journey. It is hard to understand how one boob can get you in so much trouble and change your life forever. I ask about having my breast removed and was told it would not change the treatment plan. The doctors tell me that the microcalcification around my mass are probably cancer too. It makes you feel like they are not telling you the whole story about the cancer. I guess they will know more when the surgeon checks the lymph nodes on December 8. The surgeon told us we are angry at the cancer, and he is right. Tomorrow is another day and I hope it's a good one for each one of you brave ladies. Take care.
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Sjacobs I also ordered from hats scarves and more. The items are very nice quality and lots of cute styles to choose from. On the pricey side, but good materials.
I am day 9 after chemo cycle 2, my tummy was pretty unhappy after this round. Still taking my Zofran and eating crackers. Also had what was left of hai cut, will attempt to post pics
Cherice
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Cherice, you look FABULOUS!!!!!
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Sophie, I think we all have been through the melt downs, angry fits, pity parties and emotional rollercoaster you are one, but stay positive, you can do this!!! I have a calendar that I keep all my appointments on and every morning I look at what is in store for that day, not the next, not for the whole week, just that day and that always helps me to stay focus and try not to worry about to much at one time. I wanted to know everything I could about what was happening and why, but when the surgeon told me that my right breast was 98% full of a cancer mass, at that point I only wanted to be cancer free and it didn't matter what I had to do to reach that goal. I didn't have any lymph node involvement so my only choice was a mastectomy. It is a hard decision to make, but I did the BMX due to the pre cancer cells in my left breast. My husband has always told me that boobs do not define who I am and he still loves me even without them. I understand the anger, I have gone through two surgeries, chemo, currently in radiation and have another surgery to face early next year, but I have accepted that cancer is now and will forever be a part of my life. It stinks, but I am alive and I am a survivor!!! We are here for you when you need us.
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Cherise, agree with nomatterwhat, you look beautiful!
She angel, thank you for your post. I have never met such a courageous group of women
I have a new grandson today.
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friends I came across a great charity today. It's called Casting for Recovery. They provide fully funded retreats for breast cancer survivors and you get to learn fly fishing. The application deadline for the 2015 retreats is in January.
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Ilovecoasters - thank you for the info. There is one here in my state and I think I will apply. I have a sister that's really good at fly fishing.
cbooklvr - You do look great. Thanks for posting the pics.
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Good evening ladies, I hope everyone is doing ok tonight. I'm glad I found this board. I admire each one of you and appreciate your help. I would like to know if anyone has been given Adriamycin and the side effects you had. I know we all react different to the medicines. A lady at a meeting the other day told me they gave her this and it was awful. My husband took me Wal-Mart today to pick up the medicines the oncologist prescribed for nausea and the steroids.The pharmacist told me the Zofran could give me a headache, and the Phenergan was going to make me sleepy. I sure hope I can sleep the headache....I guess it's the Decadron is the one that can keep us wired up ... The surgeon said I may have a lot of sleepless nights ahead. How encouraging ...One good thing at Wal-Mart, I found a cute hat. We had lunch at Wendy's while we out saw a few of the ladies that go to places my husband plays music ( he plays and sings bluegrass , country, gospel at different places). These ladies are usually so talkative, but today they said very little to me They knew already that I have breast cancer. I guess that's the way it's going to be sometimes. I told my husband to watch out , the older women know I'm sick and will start chasing after him. He just laughed ! ... I hope everyone has a good night. Take care ...
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Hi sophie14 - I am currently on Adriamycin and Cytoxan - 3 so far. The first one was the worst and it was mostly headache, dizziness, sleeplessness and constipation but I personally think that most of it was the steroids. My MO let me reduce the steroids to 2 after the second treatment and then I only took 1 after the 3rd and this has helped a lot with the head issues. If you are also getting the Neulasta shot, a trick I found with the Clariton-Pepcid-Ibuprofin cocktail - take this the night before the shot and use the Ibuprofin PM (I used Walgreens brand). It certainly helped me sleep after the treatments. The constipation wears off on the fourth day after treatment. I have had no nausea - the meds they give me prior to chemo (Aloxi, EMend,Decadron) is working perfect for me.
A couple other SEs you should note (from my experience):
1) Mouth sores. Although I don't have sores yet, my gums are tender and I feel that I could have an outbreak at any moment. During the chemo I read in this forum that you should chew on ice or a Popsicle. Chew constantly during the chemo part of the therapy. I do the baking soda mouth rinse followed by Biotene two, three or more times a day.
2) Nails. I apply NutraNails and Sally Hanson Cuticle/Nail oil a couple of times a day. No discoloration yet (I have all my fingers crossed).
Hope this information is helpful. Knowledge is power. Good luck to you.
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Thanks Leto, Those are the 2 medicines that I will be given. Did you get them at the same time? The PA told me I would be getting Adriamycin every 21 days for four treatments and then Cytoxin once a week for 12 weeks. I haven't heard anything about the Neulasta shot yet. I have very sensitive teeth and can't eat cold stuff like ice or popsicles. Guess I am up the creek about the mouth troubles.
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Yes sophie14, I get them through the port before the Adriamycin, then the Cytoxin is last. I have 4 of these treatments every 2 weeks then I move on to Taxol for 4 treatments every two weeks - then surgery. The Neulasta shot is given the day after chemo and is used to keep your White Blood Cell Count up. The side effect of Neulasta is bone pain so my MO told me to use Clariton-Pepcid-Ibuprofin cocktail to prevent the bone pain. As far as the ice thing, I can't say that it does prevent mouth sores, but I haven't had any yet - but don't wan't any so I chew, chew, chew. Just be preventive and use the mouth rinse every day. Everything is moving very fast for me too and I am thankful now that I am having chemo before the surgery.
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Hello everyone. My name is Beth and I was diagnosed in September with Stage 2, ER/PR + HER2 -, with lymph node involvement as well. I started dose dense chemo on October 29th with Adriamycin and Cytoxan. So far I've been handling this part pretty well. Fatigue, heartburn and constipation have been my biggest complaints so far. I'm a bit concerned about starting Taxol next month, as I will have my first dose on Christmas Eve. I've handled the A/C pretty well and I'm concerned the Taxol will really knock me down.
One weird thing I've noticed is day 11 seems to be a bad day for me. I'm more emotional, and today my stomach isn't feeling well. It seems odd that it's been day 11 both times so far, and when I am generally on an upswing.
I'm looking forward to February 4th, when I should have my last chemo, then will make plans for my surgery.
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