Vent about Permanent Neuropathy
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I am always trying to assess if I am any better, too. At this point, it is hard because there are some days better than others.
Strangely, now a year PFC, my fibromyalgia has returned. (Why was it gone for a year?) Anyway, it is in my hands and feet, but feels totally different than the CIPN. Just creates a double whammy sometimes.
I have noticed that the approaching colder weather seems to deaden my feet more than they were in Summer.
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I met a woman one morning getting coffee, since I talk to anyone, she started telling me she wished she lived in FL as the cold made her feet and hands hurt more, she had neuropathy as a side effect of her diabetes and while docs told her they could give her meds, she did not want to add another pill. When she described her pain, that is when I realized I had been getting neuropathy for years before the dang C stuff.
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One more weird thing I have noticed. My feet feel less dead when I am in socks or shoes. Why? Not sure, but I am thinking that a normal bare foot can feel everything, so a CIPN bare foot really notices the loss of feeling, more so than one that is covered up. That's my theory anyway.
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I agree that this SE was definitely not discussed or acknowledged before chemo - especially since now i read that some women were allowed to take herbals & such during treatment to try & prevent it.
I am 10 months out with no let up in sight. I have recently returned to full time @ work & now they have extended the branch hours so i am there 9 hrs a day - mostly on my feet. I get home & head right for the recliner - which is terrible for the rest of my body not to mention my life
I too am hesitant to go to drugs that will mess up my head as well as my body.
what i really want to know, which no one will tell me, is if pushing through & continuing to work & do what i can to put up with the pain - am i making it worse?? some days my entire legs hurt - recently i have had upper leg/groin pain...i certainly don't want to end up in a wheel chair! I am so frustrated!
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My "vents" on here are more observations. Here's my latest:
When I am lying on the couch or in bed and my feet are resting and not moving they almost feel like feet, but if I move them or they brush against something, then I get that "dead tingle" letting me know of their numbness. Some of you have got to know what I am talking about when I say "dead tingle." It is a feeling that is a lack of feeling! I rarely have pain from the CIPN, it's just the deadness of my not-feet.
The other part of my report this month is that my numbness might only be around 15% now (on a good day that is.) The areas affected are slightly different on each foot, so they don't feel exactly the same. Lefty has a bit more intensity of numbness, righty has a larger affected area.
I can LIVE with this, because I am living, right? Sure hope I can continue to improve and eventually get to no numbness at all. All things possible! Keep healing ladies!!!
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Quick question for those of you further down the road - assuming the neuropathy is affected by temperatures - which is worse, heat or cold? I was more focused on chemo than neuropathy last year and don't remember winter.
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mine is worse when it is cold so not happy going into winter~~
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Minus Two the cold bothers mine more also. I carefully use heating packs around them which helps. Very carefully because it is so easy to burn yourself when you can't feel how hot they are
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does anyone have leg pain and fore arm discomfort from the neuropathy? It's not just in feet and hands ....Rosie
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I have pain in my thigh at times, not sure it is the neuropathy as have had it for some time, it seemed to be a SE of my statin, changed up my statin and it went away, it does return at times so......I stretch to deal with it
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BB, sorry about your problem, have you considered a good ENT? I have one for my dang sinus issues and now realize that ENTs work on more than just sinus and some might be off help to you.
yeah, I do get it on the job thing, always thought I would retire from my job and work part time somewhere like in retail or something as I was in sales. But they all want you to be on the feet for a full day and no way could I do that
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BB, guess I have talking to my ENT about my crappy balance and my one time thing of vertigo. Had a terrible experience with the nuerologist regarding that and wish I had known my ENT at that time. I was using a doc who called herself Wholestic at the time. It was not a good experience. The doc had a mother who was dealing with BC so I assumed that she was understanding about the total cancer thing.
When my sinus started acting up, she was useless. I switched back to my former doc as soon as I got on medicare and best idea for me. I felt like the Wholestic doc was very uninformed and also not connected to the rest of the local medical community, but that was my experience
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I am confused...why would a person doing an echo gag? That is horrible
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the ENT just looked up my nose and said, you have polyps.....then of course it was confirmed with a scan. Two dif ones confirmed that I needed surgery to remove the polyps. I had the surgery and now work to prevent them coming back. I asked him the sinus issues could have caused some of my balance issues and vertigo, he said it could very well have. Now I work hard to keep any infection or polyps from coming back. Love the guy, he has me using meds but also using saline spray 4 times a day to clean out the dang nose.
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Seriously ladies....I cannot believe the difference in my neuropathy issues since I started with my "herbal" treatments. I did not expect such goo and lasting results. I will find the study that I came across so you can check it out.
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http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/23237736
Here is the link.
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oh Bosum , will continue to lift you up in prayer. Snuggle in, and pull out all the tools that work for you!
I still don't know if my SE is neuropathy or not. Today yes the bottom of my feet really hurt. Not tingling though thighs feel like I caught three baseball games. Hmmmm. SE from taxol maybe
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Bosum - Thinking about you & sending hugs.
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Bosum, thinking of you also as it seems most of the country is cold and nasty so hoping you can find some relief with some warmth? Gee, I just found a pair of fleece slippers that are too small for me, they are really warm, wonder if you could use them? they are about a size 8 and for now, plan on sending with my next pack to Lupus folks?
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I was taking Lyrica for 1 month. My Neurologist said I should try it although it is mostly for nerve pain. I don't have the pain, just tingling and numbness. He said "time" is the healer of chemo-induced neuropathy. I do feel a slight improvement. I do get zingers from time to time in my hands and feet. Most annoying is the numbness around my face especially when I raise my eyebrows. However, I do feel a slight improvement in the face area as well. Hoping this really does go away in "time".
Marie
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Bosum - I can give you a small glimmer. My neurologist said 70% of people get some better but it takes up to 2 years after chemo. Looking at your diagnosis date I'm guessing you're only a year out??
I'm almost one 1 year PFC (not counting Herceptin) and I do have more feeling in my fingers. I can pick up pennies now and zip up my jeans, and I can wring out my washcloth better & usually open jars w/o help. So I'm still hoping for improvement, especially w/my feet.
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Bosum - Sorry it's a down day for you. I think it's harder when the days get dark so early & it's so darn cold the most enticing thing is to burrow into a quilt.
Maybe someone else will weigh in w/a naturopath story. I decided a year ago that i wasn't going to take any more 'new' drugs until all of the chemo poisons are out of my system. Most days I try to concentrate on anything else but neuropathy and I try not to 2nd guess the minute day to day changes. Of course I'm brought up short when the lack of feeling in my feet causes me to loose balance when putting on my underwear. Not a pretty picture LOL.
As for chemo brain - no tingly feelings in my head, but I walked from the kitchen to the garage this morning & of course had no idea what I went to get. Actually had to go back & forth several times until I finally remembered. So that was my exercise for the day. Thinking of you!!!
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MinusTwo, Glad to hear that you can pick up the pennies now. That is an improvement! (Not to mention being able to zip ya' drawers up.)
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PIP57, did you get the traditional "herb" or is medicinal available in your region?
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I have it in my feet and now have tooth sensitivity to hot and cold - anything not room temperature. Neurontin helps but doesn't eliminate it. It feels like it is not working, until I stop taking it and realize how inch more it hurts without it. It helps my "fire bra" too left from surgery. My nipple tattooing increased the fire bra. I feel a bit inadequate from having trouble with what is supposed to be a relatively easy procedure! They just increased my dosage to try to remedy it.
Thanks to the barrage of TV ads from pharma, including those for Lyrica, my mom called me to proclaim that if I have neuropathy, I must be diabetic. Gotta love it...
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ForMyDaughter - sorry about your neuropathy.
Thanks for my laugh of the day from your Mom. Hmmm diabetes. Well at least the name "neuropathy" is getting out there even if it isn't the same as CIPN.
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wow didn't know the teeth sensitivity was part of it also! great
so, i was a stomach sleeper all my life - arms up under my pillow - but, for obvious reasons, had to give it up when this all started ( i know it's not good for my back either) anyway, things have been feeling better ( too bad i'm under the knife again next week) so i have been allowing myself some stomach time at night - but my arms go completely numb! not tingly pins & needles - just numb - hands are like gone. Is this a product of the neuropathy as well?? it's both arms equally so I don't think it's lymphnode related.
I am also trying a new cream - Topricin - that seems to be working well on my feet - and it doesn't smell!
and here come the holidays - ready or not! hope you are all able to enjoy them with loved ones
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Bossum, so glad you have been able to document the pain, yeap docs just are a real waste unless there is something that they can do that makes them money!!
I know how you feel, some days my feet hurt so bad and then some others not so. Balance follows the pain as on days when it is not bad, my balance is much bettergood luck and keep in touch
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Bosum - what supplements are you considering? I've been taking B-12, B-6 and acetyl L Carnetine for neuropathy since I started chemo in March 2013, but I stopped all my supplements last week to see how that turns out. My neurologist said those three were OK but not to take too much B-6 - that it could cause more neuropathy issues than it solved - so I'd scaled back to 100 mg/day plus what's in Centrum Silver.
I agree w/ProudToSpin - a journal can be a marvelous tool.
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Bosum - I'm sorry things are so unsettled & difficult. I don't know anything about brain tingling but I understand it's scary. When I look up "head paresthesia" there are lots of causes besides CIPN. Are there any of your regular docs you can talk to, even for just a consultation? Hopefully your answer will be something easily controllable. Sending hugs!!!
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