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  • BookLady1
    BookLady1 Member Posts: 253
    edited November 2014

    Hi, everyone - I've been absent for a while and so much has been going on with everyone! I've been getting support by reading, and want to catch up. Can I jump in here to ask advice on bone pain? Gonna call MO tomorrow. I had very little pain 1st two Neurlasta rounds - Claritin, ibuprofen and Epsom baths were enough. After round 3 ACT and Neurlasta I think I got hit with every side effect! Why? Cancer is a punk. My back hurts so much I can't stay on my feet - no yoga, can't get in and out of tub without help, Abby Airedale isn't walking enough - switched to Aleve. Don't want to take leftover pain meds from surgery but I might so I can sleep tonight.

    WendeeB - I have been meditating but not with much loving kindness

  • Sjacobs146
    Sjacobs146 Member Posts: 770
    edited November 2014

    Eleanor, I have an Oncotype score of 23, and I am relatively young (48). What tipped me over the edge toward chemo was that I had a positive lymph node, otherwise they wouldn't have recommended it for me. I know I couldn't live with myself if I has a recurrence or Mets and I didn't do absolutely everything to prevent it. I've had one infusion so far (next one on Friday).and so far SEs are manageable. If you decide SEs are too much after starting chemo, you can always stop. Good luck with your decision.

  • Becca9800
    Becca9800 Member Posts: 79
    edited November 2014

    Attention Attention An ALL POINTS BULLETIN has been issued: Becca's taste buds have gone MIA. The buds on the lam are described as follows: Salty, Bitter, Sour and Savory. Sweet is in the local vicinity but unable to be located with any specificity. Should you see Becca's buds DO NOT APPROACH, they may be armed and dangerous resulting in pleasurable overeating.

  • ml143333
    ml143333 Member Posts: 658
    edited November 2014

    Becca - you make me laugh!  I hope you find your taste buds soon.  Mine must be with yours.  Hopefully they are having fun and will make their way back before Thanksgiving!

    Is anyone else having neck/shoulder muscle pain associated with their port/catheter?  I had mine inserted on 10/13 and have two chemo infusions since.  After each chemo, I have noticed that I have a stiff neck (kind of like I slept on it wrong except 10x worse).  It hurts into my shoulder muscle and under the arm.  This time has been worse than last.  I also tend to get a headache toward the end of the day.  Maybe it is from the catheter inserted into the jugular?  All I know is it hurts and makes it very hard to get comfortable or to sleep.

    I called my BS and she said that maybe I am overcompensating for it being in there without knowing it.  She said to notice how I hold my head and go from there.  I don't know that I am holding my head any differently.

    I don't want to take any OTC pain med or the good pain meds because I don't want it to throw my liver enzymes out of whack.  I called my MO to see what he suggests I take.

    I will try a heat pad or a rice pack this evening and see if that helps.

    Thanks ladies!  I hope everyone is doing well.

  • cbooklvr
    cbooklvr Member Posts: 66
    edited November 2014

    Becca, thanks for my laugh this morning. My buds just came back on Sunday, but infusion #2 tomorrow so they will join yours and Mandy's on Saturday

    I had neck pain after my port, was implanted. Ice pack did help with the soreness. Now it only hurts if I touch that side of my neck.

    My hair started shedding last week. Amazing how quickly it has gone. I have enough left to cover the bald patch until my hair appt after work to get it cut. It will be fun wig time tomorrow.

    Cherice

  • Ilovecoasters
    Ilovecoasters Member Posts: 199
    edited November 2014

    I am mid treatment. Happy to report my labs looked great. MO was very pleased. He also reduced the steroids to 5mg from 10 based on the side effects I had. Really hoping it helps. Other than the harpoon going into my port it's been a stress free treaement. The Emla cream does nothing for me. Since my WBC are high I was hoping to avoid Nuelasta. No such luck.

    Started the day with a fill at the PS. I'm now at 430ccs. I have cleavage!

  • MJS1266
    MJS1266 Member Posts: 222
    edited November 2014

    I had my third infusion of AC yesterday and so far so good. I had neulasta today, in the past I have not had significant bone pain, nothing that ibuprofen doesn't handle. My blood counts have been good, so it must be working. I looked at my insurance bill and can't believe how expensive this one shot is.

    ilovecoasters, I'm the other person that the Emla cream doesn't seem to do too much for but I am afraid not to use in case it would be worse. Maybe we have thick skin because they keep telling me it shouldn't hurt but it is only for a short time. i don't have any other pain with the port but I can feel it sometimes when i try to get comfortable to sleep.

    Stay strong everyone, we can do this, well actually we don't have a whole lot of choice, so we must get through this.

    Best, MJ

  • Tobycc
    Tobycc Member Posts: 789
    edited November 2014

    hi all,


    Hi all. I was in September thread. Two rounds of taxotere/cytoxen. Had horrible burn and last week started 12 weeks od taxol.

    I shared with Cherishe there is a "bean" that grows on a bush called Magic bean....google it. A good friend of mine who is with our Sheriffs Office brought me a few frozen. A TINY bite helps a lot of people FIND those missing taste buds!!

    She grows and shares with friends on chemo....yes, legal :).

    Thanks for the laughs this morning. Becca my energy eloped today with your buds !

    Hugs and blessings you warriors!

  • Tobycc
    Tobycc Member Posts: 789
    edited November 2014

    oops, it is called Magic Berry....scientific name is synsepalum dulcificum.....apparently it comes in a pill form too

    Kath

  • speedcat88
    speedcat88 Member Posts: 37
    edited November 2014

    Becca you are hilarious!!! That hit it on the head. 3 down 3 to go! Had the third round today with the only issue being trying to get my veins to stop rolling around... 3 sticks.): The nurse that did so well the 2nd round did get it in the vein. She knew she was going to need to keep it from rolling (I used to be a phlebotomist). Still no SEs, except for that pesky mouth sore, but no nausea. My center has got the nausea meds down pat. I haven't seen but one person get nauseous and that was when she got up to leave. I have the Duke's Mouthwash, but I truly believe the warm water, salt, baking soda rinses work better. The sore is still there, but it's not a big deal.

    Back for the Neulasta shot tomorrow. Booklady this will be my 3rd shot and I haven't had problems with the first 2. Hope I don't with this one. Take the pain meds when you need to. You need the rest. Hang in there!

    I generally work on Thursday and Friday after I get chemo on Wed. The steroids have me up anyway, and I'm usually just fine. Sat. and Sun. I start to crash out (except the Sun. I was at Martinsville and Jr won the race for me (: ). Monday I'm off and by Tuesday I can usually go on to work. It's getting back into my regular exercise routine that's been hard. I'm a group exerciser and I love Zumba. I was doing 4 classes a week with 2 different instructors. I went back to one last week and was able to keep up. I even felt like I got a good workout. I plan to go to a class tomorrow, but it's the more intense class. I hate wearing a sports bra and my surgeon took such a small area out I'm still pretty busty. I hate for the girls to be bouncing all over the place. Can ya'll see this picture? Let me make it more descriptive...a 200 pound bald woman in yoga pants doing salsa, and all the other routines with bouncing boobies. I never could do any streaking I would have given myself a couple of black eyes!!!!

    Hugs Ya'll

  • She-Angel
    She-Angel Member Posts: 149
    edited November 2014

    Just ordered the magic berry  off amazon after hearing good things from a friend....it should arrive on infusion day...yippie!!

  • BookLady1
    BookLady1 Member Posts: 253
    edited November 2014


    Speedcat - taking your advice with pain killers and rest tonight. Thanks, Zumba Queen!

    armamp95 - even with two hands my scarf tying is a hot mess! I keep playing with scarves, caps, my wig - bald feels best, but I'll keep playing. Good luck having crafty friends and making the pre-tied scarves!

    Everyone - thanks for sharing on this thread! I've been hit with SE's and dizzy, weak, fog is lifting. Same with constant back pain from Neurlasta.Just reading what's up with y'all has kept me going. Hope everyone has a peaceful night. Linda

  • BookLady1
    BookLady1 Member Posts: 253
    edited November 2014


    kerensa75 - how are you? I've got one more AC before starting Taxol. I know you had to switch from Taxol and hope you are doing well. Linda





  • Becca9800
    Becca9800 Member Posts: 79
    edited November 2014

    Glad my Taste bud APB made some of you laugh, figure we may as well make the best of a bad situation.

    Linda, Nuelasta is a wicked little devil, yes? My second injection caused more intense bone pain than the first. If you need something a little stronger to get you over the hump, I say go for it. My motto these days - no need to suffer with all the good remedies out there. Boy is that a change for me, I've birthed 6 babies without the help of any pain medicines. I wanted to do it the natural way, the right way. I look back, shake my head and say what a fool.

    speedcat, your visual aid is cracking me up! I have to hand it to you for trying to stay active. Go give 'em hell at Zumba class.

    ilovecoasters! cleavage!!! way to go!!!

    Cherice, hoping you find 'hairless' liberating. There is an upside to bald, much less time showering. no time wasted prepping hair that will immediately be mussed up by the wind/rain, no hairspray on wall behind hair prep area, no hair on floor of hair prep area.

    Mandy, what did your MO say about pain control and liver enzymes? Hoping he thinks an occasional dose is OK, walking around not using your painful head/neck muscles is gonna be a bear.

    Thanks, Kath, for the tip on Magic Berry. I did some research and found it changes everything to a sweet flavor; lemons, Tabasco sauce etc. all taste sweet. I want pizza to taste like pizza! A greasy burger to taste like a greasy burger! My sweet taste buds have so graciously agreed to hang around sometimes, I can still taste sweats to some degree. Sigh, guess I'll just have to be patient and remember, this too shall pass. I suppose it could be worse, everything could taste awful vs. tasting nothing at all.

    Alright, well I better get this day started, I've got some hell to give to this November the 13th! Chins up everyone, one foot in front of the other, let's put this day behind us. Hoping your day is a good one!

  • Ilovecoasters
    Ilovecoasters Member Posts: 199
    edited November 2014

    Half the steroids may have done the trick. No heart palpitations and no extreme dizziness. Hoping this continues.

    Have a good day friends.

  • ml143333
    ml143333 Member Posts: 658
    edited November 2014

    Well...I have an answer to my neck and now underarm pain - BLOOD CLOTS!  I called my MO first thing this morning and he sent me for a PVL which showed a clot in the jugular and a clot under the arm.  Praise the Lord they were found!

    I am waiting for his office to call me back to let me know what happens next!

  • Ilovecoasters
    Ilovecoasters Member Posts: 199
    edited November 2014

    Blood clots? Oh no! I am sorry sorry to hear. What do they think caused them? Wishing you the best news possible.

  • ml143333
    ml143333 Member Posts: 658
    edited November 2014

    They think it happened after my last chemo treatment.  It wasn't the normal nurse, and she was not able to get blood flow from the port.  She said it was okay, but I'm guessing maybe it wasn't.

    I am just relieved to know that I wasn't crazy since my BS had me thinking I was and that it will be taken care of.

    I go this afternoon to start Lovenox.

  • Nancy6540
    Nancy6540 Member Posts: 50
    edited November 2014

    Mandy, I have the same problem with my port. When they found the bloodclot they called paramedics and rushed me to the hospital for Lovenox shots. Next day the vascular surgeon said they would leave the port in because it was working but I would have to be on blood thinner (Xarelto) until the port is removed a year from now. She said to put warm compresses on my neck to help reabsorb the clot.

    My neck still hurts and is swollen from the clot. The thinner does not dissolve the clot it just keeps you from making new ones. Your body has to reabsorb the clots or your body will form a scar over it. I know, not a great scenario! I don't know how I'm going to live with this discomfort for a year, but I also don't know what I will do without a port so.......

    I wish you relief from your clots. If the port is still functioning you will want to keep it. From what they tell me, Cancer makes clots, and intravenous ports are prime places for your body to try to scab over the foreign object.

    Nancy

  • speedcat88
    speedcat88 Member Posts: 37
    edited November 2014

    armamp, I just don't like tying the scarves and they slip. I ordered some chemo beanies from Cure Diva. They have all kinds of patterns and colors and materials. Some have ruffles and some just a fabric. There's an elastic band across the base of thwe skull that keeps it postioned and the fabric gathers in a cute little ruffle at the back. I love them! I did find that the black one was made of such airy material my very white bald head was showing through. I bought one of those black skull caps like the black football players wear under their helmets.

    Back for the neulasta shot today. See how I wake up tomorrow. I'm praying I don't have pain that's not manageable, but I still have pain meds from the surgery. I believe I will take as needed. Should do better now with the constipation under control. My appetite is already gone so I don't really eat that much. Bummer is when it comes back I want to eat anything I can get my hands on.

    Time to go. ECU is playing...GO PIRATES!!!! ARRRRGGGHHH!

  • Leto
    Leto Member Posts: 42
    edited November 2014

    ml143333, She-Angel: I was just getting comfortable with my port - then BAM. Last night I was adjusting pillows behind my head and back and felt a little pain in my neck. Well, now the port tubing is protruding from my neck more than it was before. I was freaking out about it. I had Chemo #3 today and I asked them to look at it. They took xrays before chemo just in case - certainly made me fell better. The xrays showed that it was a little twisted or bent or something like that. But it still works so we will leave it as is for now. I am posting a picture (I hope it doesn't offend anyone). Does yours protrude this much? Thanks ladies!

    image

  • Ilovecoasters
    Ilovecoasters Member Posts: 199
    edited November 2014

    Leto,

    That looks so uncomfortable. Thanks to my tissue expanders sitting high, my port is not visible at all. You can just see the scar from the incision. Hope you are feeling ok after you treatment. The only side effect I had today was heartburn and hiccups. I feel amazing compared to lasttime. Neulastais in the morning.

  • Leto
    Leto Member Posts: 42
    edited November 2014

    Ilovecoasters - Heartburn and hiccups - what a combination. I too have Neulasta tomorrow so I am starting the Clariton-Pepcid-Ibuprofin cocktail tonight around 8pm - I am only going to do that for 3 days this time. The MO also told me that I only had to take 1 steroid tomorrow and that's it. I still have nausea meds on standby just in case. But I hope this helps with the head pressure, headaches, dizziness, and constipation. Right now I fell great but it's only been 4 hours. I hope you continue to feel good!

  • shuf
    shuf Member Posts: 94
    edited November 2014

    Anyone out there er/pr/her2 positive? How many tests did it take to get a true her2 number and if I may ask what was the number? Just getting started with all of this and getting more nervous as the days pass. Thanks shuf

  • She-Angel
    She-Angel Member Posts: 149
    edited November 2014

    OMG....that happened from adjusting your pillow! Now I am really worried about getting back to my 'pole fitness' classes. I can feel it, but it doesn't appear to be too far out but who can tell. I will try to remain relatively docile on the workout front for two weeks to get adjusted. I wanted to work out tonight but thought I better save some energy for round 2 tomorrow. I am hoping all goes well with this Port. Positive prayer and energy for us all.

  • Sjacobs146
    Sjacobs146 Member Posts: 770
    edited November 2014

    On my way in for treatment 2 of 4. I'm feeling really good, sorry to have to go back to square one. At least now I'm prepared for what is to come. Lots of friends texting to wish me luck, I'm really appreciating my friends and co-workers Getting lots of compliments on my "new haircut" at work, lol. Wish me luck ladies!

  • ml143333
    ml143333 Member Posts: 658
    edited November 2014

    Well...my MO started me on Lovenox injections last night and Coumadin.  I will take the injections until Monday or Tuesday and will stay on the Coumadin indefinitely.  I was able to sleep some last night with the help of the pain killer he prescribed for me.

    This morning, I don't notice much difference in the level of discomfort, well maybe a small difference.  I can turn my neck in one direction, just not the other which is better. 

    I will talk with my MO about the clots dissolving since his nurse said they would, but Nancy is saying they won't.  I can't imagine feeling this way until March, but I guess we all do what we have to do.

    Leto - that looks painful.  Your doctor says that it is okay?  Wishing you the best.  Good luck with the Neulasta.

    Sjacobs - I am in your pocket today!  You got this!

    She-Angel - I am in your pocket today!  You can do this!

    Ilovecoasters - Hoping all goes well with the Neulasta today!

    Shuf - welcome to our group!  I am not ER/PR/HER- but it did take over 6 weeks for them to figure out my HER status.

     

     

  • Leto
    Leto Member Posts: 42
    edited November 2014

    Nancy6540 - I'm curious - how did they find the blood clots?

  • ml143333
    ml143333 Member Posts: 658
    edited November 2014

    Leto - they found my blood clots through a PVL which is a type of ultrasound.  I had been having terrible neck pain that wouldn't go away and then started having some pain under my arm on the same side.  There was slight swelling on my chest near the port and blue veins had appeared overnight on my chest.

  • Nancy6540
    Nancy6540 Member Posts: 50
    edited November 2014

    Leto, mine also was found with ultrasound when I presented with a swollen painful neck. Sloan Kettering had the ultrasound right there in their facility. In the hospital the vascular surgeon said I would be put on Coumadin but the MO said they no longer use Coumadin at Sloan with chemo. They found that with Xarelto you don't have to be "watched" as closely and there are no dietary restrictions. She said about a month past my chemo I could stop taking the Xarelto without bad side effects so it would not be a lifelong pill.

    I would ask for an ultrasound on your neck. The x-Ray showed the tube but I'm not sure you could see a clot that way! My neck looked just like yours!

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