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  • Swoobs
    Swoobs Member Posts: 82
    edited November 2014

    Sandra  800 cc that's big! 

    You always have such great insight on all your posts I love reading them. I hear my mom when I read some of your motherly posts.

    Revup  I can imagine how different it is today compared to the 90's my mom first had bc in 2000 she bought every and any book she could get her hands on. By the times she got mets in 2010 well she was well versed with the internet. I miss my mom so much but if she were alive it would break her heart to watch me going thru this same journey she was once traveling.

  • Swoobs
    Swoobs Member Posts: 82
    edited November 2014

    Hopeful  I feel like ripping pages too some days.... I totally know where you are coming from !

    Oceansky. How's the healing going ??

  • Hopeful82014
    Hopeful82014 Member Posts: 3,480
    edited November 2014

    Nice to see you back here, Akitagirl - you've obviously had a lot going on. Sorry to hear about all the upcoming surgery, etc. I really hope the ALND works out o.k. for you. Your wig and braces are cute - you really look great! I'll be thinking of you on Friday.

    RevUp - I'm so sorry you're back on this roller coaster but glad you found this group. I hope we can help out.

  • revup-65
    revup-65 Member Posts: 94
    edited November 2014

    swoobs, yes I believe your Mom would be heartbroken but I really believe she is with you on your journey and help you to a positive outcome. I think the internet is invaluable to gain information but unlike reading it you can only read for so long, here you can stay on for hours, the info can become over whelming.

     Hopeful82014 I am very thankful I found all of you, it has helped. I know the drill, that is making it harder. No more innocence here and know some of what you are going through, I may have the full adventure we shall see that's why I will be hanging on to your shirttails. You give me hope that there maybe some sort of road map to get through this.

  • Galsal
    Galsal Member Posts: 1,886
    edited November 2014

    WOW, 800cc and took it well??   OMG.  I've no idea what I'd have been looking at about implants if I'd gone that route right away, since was (or so I though until tonight a larger bosom at 42ddd).  The skin sparing BMX took about 1000mg of tissue from each side.  Yet a large amount of tissue/flesh was removed on the 23rd when the mudflaps were dealt with.   I've 700s now and fine with that.  Quite thankful PS said I couldn't ever be the size I was in the first place...woooooHOOOO.

  • Fourminor
    Fourminor Member Posts: 354
    edited November 2014

    @ Akita,

    LOVE THE WIG!!!!!!!

    SUX on losing all your girly parts. SUX SUX SUX SUX.

    SUX.

    I'm sorry.

    You will still be a girl Akita. That's assured.

    @Sharpei,

    Sorry about the nip, but thanks for sharing your thoughts.  Love your posts.  Good luck tomorrow.

    I had more to write to y'all, but a phone call from a friend just erased whatever I intended to write.  Sorry, my mind is a freaking sieve lately.

  • Hopeful82014
    Hopeful82014 Member Posts: 3,480
    edited November 2014

    Revup - I'm sure that "knowing the drill" makes it that much harder to face this again. I only hope there've been improvements in techniques, etc., since your first time around. There was talk earlier in the day about the risks of recurrence and I have to admit that's one of the really ugly aspects of this; you can go through surgery, chemo, radiation, hormonal therapy, lymphedema, neuropathy, chemo brain, etc., etc. but none of it comes with a guarantee. 

    I know we're supposed to focus on the positive and put it behind us but I think the world needs to understand that there is no magic date on which we can say it's all over with and never coming back. That is the ugly truth (or one of them, and there are many) about this stupid disease.

  • revup-65
    revup-65 Member Posts: 94
    edited November 2014

    Hopeful82014 I want to share some thoughts with you. It has been 19 yrs now, I worried about it coming back on and off for about 5 yrs. Then I stopped and lived my life knowing cancer isn't the only danger out there. We can't control if it will come back but we can control how we move on. I am totally pushed out of shape about this, worrying about it again won't change the outcome. If I had 19 yrs whos to say you won't have 30yrs or it never comes back. I believe threatment is better now so whos to say I won't buy another 19 yrs.  We are a band of warriors, all of us, togeather in the same war. I will be having my biobsy tomorrow so we shall see if I push the panic button but I know were I can go for help. I will be sending positive thoughts to you and remember I had years not months. Not a bad run.

  • Ginger84
    Ginger84 Member Posts: 1
    edited November 2014

    ginger84- bilateral mx, sentinel node biopsy, chemo port

  • Hopeful82014
    Hopeful82014 Member Posts: 3,480
    edited November 2014

    Dear RevUp - Thanks for your perspective. It's a valuable viewpoint. I agree that we can't live our lives worrying about recurrence; that would be a waste of whatever time we're given (and I'm hoping for another 30 years or so). 

    However, I think that many people outside of this community fail to realize that there IS the risk of recurrence and figure women can just check this off their bucket list and move on. I DO think we need to address that. 

    Good luck with your biopsy tomorrow. I hope it's totally benign and you can go on without any further detours. Thanks again for your insights.

  • sandra4611
    sandra4611 Member Posts: 2,913
    edited November 2014

    Galsal, I love being smaller. The 800cc rounds looked like flat hamburger buns with hardly any projection. Compared to before the BMX, my new 740 cc implants are small. even though they are the largest kind of gummy bears you can get in the US. (Allergan 410, FF, 740 cc's). The projection is only about 2.5 inches. They weigh about 1.5 lbs each. The pathology report after the BMX showed the breast surgeon removed 2,370 gr on the left (5.22 lbs) and 1,810 gr on the right (3.99 lbs.) I know! Mega-boobs. I don't miss them at all.

  • OceanSky
    OceanSky Member Posts: 165
    edited January 2015

    Welcome Ginger.

    Swoobs, tomorrow am one week from implant surgery and just two weeks past mastectomy. So healing, but hurting a lot.  Got a thumbs up at my PS appt today when the bandages came off.  Those who got immediate implants, what type of bra were you told to wear after a week?  Anything specific?

    Fourminor...You said it, Sharpei does have a way of sharing that makes you feel as though you're listening to her talk.  Am feeling sad about Sharpei because the nurse told me today how many women loose their nipples during the healing process.  Am very grateful that I didn't loose an implant or get necrosis.  There are a lot of women on BC.org who've been through so many surgeries.  A couple have personally shared their experiences with me and it's pretty amazing.  Feeling very fortunate.

    Sandra, be extra careful with your new implants.  You've been through enough surgery.

    Hope tomorrow is a good day for everyone.

  • revup-65
    revup-65 Member Posts: 94
    edited November 2014

    Hopeful82014

     Just want to say I totally agree with you, women need to be informed. I questioned in 95 why they weren't clearer on this issue. I even called Cancer Society to ask them why they didn't make this fact clearer in their information. Thank you for wishing me good luck.

  • Fourminor
    Fourminor Member Posts: 354
    edited November 2014

    Hopeful,

    I know it sucks, but try to remember, that while you're worried about a recurrence, life has plenty of other ways to off you, we've all got other organs that can cook up entirely different neoplasms, in addition to natural disasters, terrorist attacks, mentally ill people who aren't hospitalized and have access to heavy weaponry, and infections that may still mutate to become airborne pathogens without cure.  

    Just trying to keep it in perspective ;)

  • Fourminor
    Fourminor Member Posts: 354
    edited November 2014

    Don't forget distracted and drunk drivers!  Tainted food!  

    At some point you will just not think about it too much.  It won't help anyway, worrying has not been shown to be preventative.

  • Akitagirl
    Akitagirl Member Posts: 142
    edited November 2014

    Good morning all - thank you for the encouragement, and glad the wig gets the thumbs up!  

    I agree with Fourminor and others regarding how to move forward day by day.  In fact, my daily devotional addressed exactly this issue today.  I hope you don't mind me sharing:

    "People tend to think their circumstances determine the quality of their lives.  So they pour their energy into trying to control those situations.  They feel happy when things are going well, and sad or frustrated when things don't turn out as they'd hoped. They rarely question this correlation between their circumstances and feelings.  Yet it is possible to be content in any and every situation....  I am with you and will watch over you wherever you go.  I will meet all your needs according to My glorious riches.  Nothing in all creation will be able to separate you from My love"  -exerpt from Jesus Calling - Enjoying Peace in His Presence by Sarah Young

    Whatever your beliefs are...I think we can all take something from this.  To walk in peace regardless of what is going on around us will allow healing both inside and out.

    Have a wonderful day everyone!

    Akitagirl

  • Su-CQ51
    Su-CQ51 Member Posts: 137
    edited November 2014

    Good luck with biopsy today revup and welcome to the group.

    Good luck with debridement today Sharpei!   I feel same way about my UMX decision with no recon.

    I agree OceanSky a shower will be heavenly!  The partial one didn't really cut it but it helped lol

    I've found that I might not understand why things happen the way they do until weeks, months, years ... later but the only control I have is how I handle it.   Sure I get down, even roll around in it awhile but eventually it's dealt with and move on to the next.   At the moment I'm doing all I can to get better and trying very hard to keep the what ifs in perspective.   We all have to do whatever works for us and that's ok. ;)

    What's even better is we can talk about it here and everyone gets it!  

  • ForHisGlory
    ForHisGlory Member Posts: 64
    edited November 2014

    hello everyone,  reading and catching up from my time at the hospital.  Me lx and SNB was on monday.  I did have seizures so spent the next 24 hours on mega doses of ativan so I don't remember much of them. I'm home now amd recovery is going well. The dr decided to leave my nipple and just take out a section of it. I haven't seen anything because I have to keep this bandage on until tomorrow. The ride home from the hospital was not pleasant as I was getting sick the whole way! :/ I was surprised to not be given any pain medication so I'm just alternating tylenol and ibuprofen.  It's bearable but I'm not exactly comfortable.  Ugh

    my return appointment is 1 week from today...he didn't say when I would see the MO or RO yet or if oncytype was ordered. 

    glad to have the cancer removed but wonder what is still ahead...wish I could remember more of the hospital.  How any lymph nodes did he remove etc.. oh well..more wait wait wait

  • hummingbirdlover
    hummingbirdlover Member Posts: 421
    edited November 2014

    FHG: welcome home! Sorry about the seizures, that just adds a lot of extra stress I'm sure! I can't believe no pain meds, If you are uncomfortable, call your BS and I'm sure they'd write a script for you. Do you think they might be worried about you taking them because of your seizures?

    Akita: beautiful message in your daily devotional, thanks for sharing.

    Good luck to those going in today.

    I'm 2 weeks post op today and still very sore (especially in arm pit areas) although I'm not really taking anything. Took some ibuprofen at bedtime last nite. Anybody else instructed to do hand walking exercise up the wall? I have follow up with BS tomorrow and hopefully can lose this wrap around ace bandage I've been in since surgery. Everything still feels very tight and sore. It's a slower recovery than I imagined.

  • Su-CQ51
    Su-CQ51 Member Posts: 137
    edited November 2014

    Glad you're doing ok ForHisGlory!   I agree about the wait, wait, wait :)   A week will pass before you know it...    I have a week before my latest results so I can say this lol   Don't know if I believe it ;)

    Hi hummingbirdlover.   I agree the underarm and armpit area seem to take long time.   I think the swelling in armpit area after Lx finally improved 3-4 weeks afterward but now it's back after my UMX lol

    I was given a sheet of exercises to do starting day after surgery and then on other side were the fingers walking up wall etc etc exercises to do after drains removed and at least one week after surgery.

  • Hopeful82014
    Hopeful82014 Member Posts: 3,480
    edited November 2014

    Fourminor - and others, too. Yes, I TOTALLY get it that there are lots of unexpected hazards out there. Since I travel a lot on business, I've certainly come to grips with the prospect of going down with a plane. I've ridden trains that were bombed 2 days later and have seen all sorts of near misses. I've also had friends/clients pass away on the golf course, etc. So no, I'm NOT fixating on recurrence taking me out. I know that life is fragile and precious.

    I simply think that the world, in general, thinks that once you hit that magic five year mark you're golden - cancer's totally history. (And some think that before the 5 year point, too.) And, given that the impression is completely incorrect, I think that needs to be addressed. 

    Maybe I'm more aware of  the question of recurrence since I do have a known malignant node, as well as a couple of other factors. All of us are facing different diagnoses and challenges. I know mine's not the worst but it's not a best-case scenario, either. I would be denying reality to pretend that.

    Can we leave it at that, please? Thank you.

  • Sharpei
    Sharpei Member Posts: 37
    edited November 2014

    Sharpei had her nose job this morning! All went well. No argument about morphine and no projectile vomiting this time! How refreshing. 

    We went out for lunch on the way home. I will have a quiet day flushing out anesthesia, but hope to go out for an interesting event tomorrow evening and to drop in at a dinner Saturday night, assuming I feel well.

    No talk of pain meds and certainly no pain today. I have one drain, but may shower, which means I have control of my shampoo and my hair style! (Do you think I was the only one who set her hair in hot rollers the night before surgery so I could have some bend to my hair for the next few days? I have very high maintenance hair and how I feel about my hair makes a big difference in my overall sense of well being.)

    The doctor did not have to deflate, if dear husband remembers what the doctor reported correctly. Unable to stitch edges together, she used staples. Does that mean a Frankenstein mouth? I scar. Remember when Sharpei was a striking cobalt blue, full of the dye used to find the sentinel node with no good lymphatic system to drain it away? Dear husband said I might have to tattoo the other side to have a matched set! I may end up with the most unique foobs yet. And no one will ever know, since I am extremely modest!

    My emailed thought for today was that a day without laughing is a wasted day. Managing Breast cancer can be downright ludicrous at times! 

    Sharpei is trying to transform into a cupcake. No cherry on the top, though. The big reveal comes on Friday when the bandage comes off. I will arrange to do that with the visiting nurse, just in case I go into shock like the first time I saw Sharpei a month ago. My Visiting Nurses have been wonderful. Woman to woman. They have been there when I needed them and I am very grateful. 

    Heal quietly. I wish for group healing so that we may all find our ways back to joy and serenity, which is our birthrites. Even with a diagnosis of breast cancer. I believe that we still had breast cancer the day, and perhaps many days, before our diagnoses. So in that sense our diagnoses are hopeful, leading to treatment and hope.

    Thanks for allowing me time and space to express myself, figure some things out. I am listening to you, too. 

    Love, Sharpei

  • Hopeful82014
    Hopeful82014 Member Posts: 3,480
    edited November 2014

    So glad everything went well, Sharpei, and that you're able to enjoy a shower and washing your hair again. Oh, those little luxuries! 

    Thank you, too, for your very thoughtful and rather tender post. All the best to you and all the October sisters.

  • Su-CQ51
    Su-CQ51 Member Posts: 137
    edited November 2014

    I'm glad everything went well Sharpei!  Do you think Sharpei will look like she's winking?   How awesome would that be with blue "eyeshadow" and a cute little wink!  ; )  😉

    I agree and today is not a wasted day.  Hope everyone is having a great day.

  • Fourminor
    Fourminor Member Posts: 354
    edited November 2014

    Hopeful,

    If you look at my stats you will see I got a second primary on my five year mark.  I was just waiting for the all clear so I could skip out the door when I got called back for extra views.   Hearing biopsy was the furthest thing from my mind.   Anyone who thinks this is easier to hear the second time is wrong--its worse.

    None the less, I'm grateful I had a very cautious radiologist reading my mammogram and it didn't get missed for another year.  

  • mlb1202
    mlb1202 Member Posts: 10
    edited November 2014

    Thanks for the welcome OceanSky! I'm 9 days out now from surgery and reconstruction and I have to say I think Im pretty pleased. They are still a little swollen i think, but not as bruised anymore and I'm surprised how similar they look to my real ones! Ok they feel completely different... But I was pretty small before and they still are and shape looks pretty much the same. I don't know how much more they will change but I'm happy with the results. 

    How are you and others healing?? The implants haven't bothered me at all... It's the drains! I got two out yesterday and go back Friday for last two. Can't wait! The itch and the discomfort.... Ugh! Anyone else? Really no pain at all.. Some soreness under arms and tightness at incision site but other than the drains and not being able to take a real shower it hasn't been too bad. I'm so ready to move on and get my life back which has been completely taken over since my "mammogram" last August. Sigh. I was so lucky and I'm grateful that I'm coming out of this knowing I'm cancer free and clear!! I read others stories and wonder if I would have their strength! 

    I wish a speedy recovery for everyone and send positive thoughts and hugs to those who still need further treatment.... Thinking/praying for all you strong amazing women! 

  • Hopeful82014
    Hopeful82014 Member Posts: 3,480
    edited November 2014

    Fourminor - no, I would think that the 2nd time around would involve a whole new level of shock, dismay and yes, anger. Yes, one would know the ropes, which would be useful, but emotionally and physically it would be like thinking you've climbed Everest then learning you've only made it to base camp, I would think. 

  • Akitagirl
    Akitagirl Member Posts: 142
    edited November 2014

    Funny story today:  Went to King Soopers to refill percocet and was talking with the pharmacist about wanting to reduce the amount I need to take and replace with ibuprofen.  However, I know I am not supposed to take ibuprofen because of blood thinners....but really, can't I get away with 600mg here and there?  She looked at me, smiled and said "talk to your blood doctor, but I would advise against it".  She asked, "when was your surgery?".  I replied that I was 1 week post-op from yesterday.  Now, I forgot to tell you that I was feeling frisky this morning and wore both my wig and a pair of fluffy cotton boobs that my husband thinks are about a size D (now, how does he know, when I am an A???? Hmmm... :-).  At any rate, she looked down at my chest and said, "wow, you look great for being one week post-op!"  I then grabbed the fluffy boobs and said, "yes, but I can't seem to get these cotton-filled ones to sit right".  She and all the others burst out laughing and just said that with my sense of humor...I would be just fine.    

    Yes, at times, this is actually quite funny.

    Akitagirl

  • sandra4611
    sandra4611 Member Posts: 2,913
    edited November 2014

    Ocean, I didn't have to wear any kind of bra after Direct to Implants. I woke up in a soft surgical zip-front bra but it's only real function was to hold the fluffy gauze over the incisions for a few days. It was also handy because it had pockets that attached to it with Velcro to hold my drains. Because I acquired an infection in the hospital, I was there 7 days so I had it while I was there and for awhile at home as long as an ointment was being applied to the bad side and covered with gauze. After the second surgery at day 14, I had the same surgical bra but didn't have to wear anything once I got home. My PS says under most circumstances, bras are not needed but if you want to wear one, go ahead as long as it is not an underwire and it doesn't make any red marks on your skin when you take it off. He does want patients in a sports bra if they are going to bounce around during the first month or so.

    Same thing applied after surgery #3 and #4 - no bra needed. (I get new implants during every surgery so I start over each time.) This time, however, I do have to wear one. I have Alloderm this time and extremely thin skin and the implants have to be immobile for a couple of months. We're trying to fix bottoming out and migration issues. BUT, no underwire and nothing tight. Sports bras seem to do the trick and I also wear a Genie cami shaper. I have several expensive Wacoal professionally fitted bras as well with soft bands. They aren't too comfortable yet because I'm still healing but I wear them sometimes.

  • Sharpei
    Sharpei Member Posts: 37
    edited November 2014

    Sandra, you are adding to our vocabulary. What could "bottoming out" and "migration" mean in our context? Just like " debridement" and "necrotic", words with ominous sounds. 

    Good luck to you. You have had a lot of experience and are an excellent teacher. Thank you.

    Sharpei

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