The anesthesiologist was NOT In-Network!!!

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Mellie289
Mellie289 Member Posts: 156


I just got a bill for my June 6th surgery on the weekend for the anesthesia. After some calls to billing and my insurance, I found out that the anesthesiologist wasn't in network even though my surgeon was. I have no idea of how much of this $1540 bill I'm going to be responsible for - should be $0 for in-network as I've hit my max out-of-pocket already, but it could be around 40%. I'm so furious!!! And upset!


I'm trying to tell myself it's just money and think of how much my total treatment costed (surgery, plus chemo with neulasta injections, plus radiation is probably around $100,000 worth of bills) - I'm lucky to have had insurance cover most of that. But I choose doctors in-network for a reason! I'm still furious and upset!


I'm posting just to vent and as a forewarning for anyone about to have surgery in the USA to avoid some nasty, costly surprises later - not that I think there was any choice in anesthesiologist.

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  • dogsandjogs
    dogsandjogs Member Posts: 1,907
    edited December 2013

    I was told by the hospital that you should ask everyone who attends you if they take your insurance. I actually asked one anesth (sp) as I was being wheeled into surgery. Luckily he said yes.

    But sometimes other doctors are involved in the treatment and you won't know ahead of time.

    I think this is so wrong - if a doc works at hospital he/she should accept all insurances.

    I hope you won't be responsible for a big amount

  • ICanDoThis
    ICanDoThis Member Posts: 1,473
    edited December 2013


    Some good suggestions for negotiating this nonsense.http://www.nytimes.com/2013/10/19/your-money/out-of-network-not-by-choice-and-facing-huge-health-bills.html

    I would also have a good talking-to with my surgeon - he's the one who got you into this mess.

  • bevin
    bevin Member Posts: 1,902
    edited December 2013

    Call and ask for a review of your case. Put it in writing. Simple answer is you can not select your anesthesiologist and they should pay. I had the same issue and had not a problem getting it paid when I formally wrote a letter and called my Inusrance company. Good luck.

  • Lms0139
    Lms0139 Member Posts: 6
    edited December 2013

    I just got a hospital bill for > $27,000!  My insurance showed that they pai nothing!  This hospital is in my network, I've used it before.  Called my insurance company and the person looked into and said that the hospital used billing codes that hadn't been used in years.  I have 2 questions:

    1) since the insurance company knew the codes hadn't been used in years wouldn't you think they would contact the hospital directly since it is in-network?

    2) I thought you had to go to school to learn medical billing and then be trained on the particular program used at the billing facility.

    I'm waiting for my insurance company to call me back today after they talk to the hospital.  This bill is for my bilateral mastectomy w/ tissue expanders and for a surgery to remove one expander due to an infection.

  • dogsandjogs
    dogsandjogs Member Posts: 1,907
    edited December 2013

    This is not surprising unfortunately. My hospital bill hasn't been paid yet either (for the same reason; wrong codes used) I have quit worrying about it.

  • coraleliz
    coraleliz Member Posts: 1,523
    edited December 2013

    The hospital can resubmit the bill with the proper codes & that might take care of it. It did in my case.

    As for the anesthesiologist, grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr. They are notorious for not contracting with insurance companies. There are no in network anesthesiologists where I live. I have BCBS. When I called BCBS, I was told that in order to become a "preferred provider" all the doctor has to do is agree to their terms/reimbursement. BCBS paid about $400 of my $2,000 anesthesiologist bill even though he was out of network. You usually can't pick your anesthesiologist(in my case there wasn't one to be found). I called the billing office asking for my bill to be reduced. I was told that 1st I had to write to BCBS & ask for reconsideration. BCBS wrote me a much better letter back saying they weren't going to pay anymore because what they paid was reasonable for my region. I sent this letter to the billing people & my bill was finally reduced to about $600-700(with my insurance paying $400). $200-300 out of pocket for me.

    During one of my phone calls I did go off on the billing person at the anesthesiologist office. I tried to play the cancer card...........dealing with cancer & now this...........My writing the insurance company was really just getting the patient to fight the anesthesiologist's battle. That is what I resent.

    Mellie, sorry you have to put up with this insurance bulls***!    I hope your treatments are going well

  • RobinLK
    RobinLK Member Posts: 840
    edited December 2013

    I appealed with BC/BS and they paid the entire anesthesiologist bill. It showed it was a 100% covered item! but out of network so they did not pay. After the appeal, they did..

  • wyo
    wyo Member Posts: 541
    edited December 2013

    This really irritates me- The hospital, surgeon and anesthesiologist all have an obligation to make sure you are authorized by your insurance for the services they are providing. They should also be informing you in writing if something is not "in network" and you are responsible for the bill.  I would call the hospital billing office and say you are disputing the anesthesia professional bill- say you would like to know how anesthesia providers are assigned to surgical cases and how many are available on weekends and how they make sure there is authorization for services BEFORE the patient has surgery. 

    They will give you a big bunch of lip service but then I would call your anesthesia and surgeon billing offices and ask them the very same questions and tell them you are disputing the bill because you were not informed that the anesthesia provider assigned to your case was out of network for your health insurance.  

    Here is your secret weapon- if I am reading this correctly you had surgery on a weekend?Probably no one did any kind of pre-authorization because it was not planned.  Typically there are very few anesthesia providers on call on the weekend in some places only one MD for surgery and labor and delivery-you did not have elective surgery on a weekend so that provider should accept what your insurance pays or should not be providing call services on a weekend.  

    I will keep watching this thread to see how you  make out. 

  • coraleliz
    coraleliz Member Posts: 1,523
    edited December 2013

    Robin-can you share what you wrote in your appeal. My appeal went to BCBS federal employee program. They are usually easier to deal with than BCBS of California.

    I think I had to sign something during the hospitalization admitting process stating that although the hospital is a preferred provider, I may incur charges for services provided by non preferred providers during my stay. Outside labs, radiologists..........

  • voraciousreader
    voraciousreader Member Posts: 7,496
    edited December 2013

    Here's another way to handle an insurance complaint... Complain to your state insurance department.  Before writing to the state insurance department, I would tell the insurance company that you are planning to write to the insurance department.  That might make them more agreeable....

    https://eapps.naic.org/cis/fileComplaintMap.do

  • voraciousreader
    voraciousreader Member Posts: 7,496
    edited December 2013

    P.S.....The same thing happened to me 30 years ago with my infant.  You would think after 30 years this bull$hit would be a thing of the past!  I'm sorry to hear that it's still occurring!  I would also write to my state senator and complain!  Really!  Let those state senators and their staff work for their salaries!

  • RobinLK
    RobinLK Member Posts: 840
    edited December 2013

    I handled my appeal over the phone. I called member services. I had also signed the paperwork regarding out-of-network responsibility. The woman I spoke with sent in my appeal for me. I had an option to send something in writing, but received the check from the insurance to pay the anesthesiologist. Do you have a case manager through BC/BS? I received a call from one, not sure how they choose who gets one.

  • jessica749
    jessica749 Member Posts: 429
    edited December 2013

    You must call and tell them this is not acceptable.  They just bill anything and everything, trying to get $$. Refuse to pay anything more than what would be your covered / insured rate. Assuming that you presented your insurance to the facility before the surgery and that they assured you that it was covered.  If they then spring on you an anesthesiologist WHOM YOU DID NOT SELECT and say you must pay…well refuse.

    I've had surgeries at every hospital in NYC (it seems!) and that has never happened at any hospital, once I've cleared the surgeon and the "institution" ie. facility takes my insurance.

    I've only had the separate anesthesiologist fee thing when I had a colonoscopy procedure at a doctor's office. But I go to a hospital now.  Becvuase the doctor's office had a big sign saying the patient was responsible for all separate fees including anesthesiologist, I was sure to check it out before going through with the whole thing. BUt you can bet that the reason the sign was there was because there were 'misunderstandings' past and legally, there is less to stand on if they don't make you aware of this before hand.  

  • skbrown
    skbrown Member Posts: 40
    edited November 2014

    this is probably too late, too little, but I am a coder and used to code for anesthesiologists.  they do not have to be in network, they  are considered to be covered under the RAPS provision.

    RAPS= radiologists, anesthesiologists, pathologists.

    they are all considered in network because you have no control over who any of these people will be.

  • Hopeful82014
    Hopeful82014 Member Posts: 3,480
    edited November 2014

    Dear Missing - thanks for chiming in with your professional insight. Hopefully more than a few of us will see this in the future. In fact, I think it should be a 'sticky' up at the top of the page. 

  • bevin
    bevin Member Posts: 1,902
    edited November 2014

    I had a similar issue occur and appealed to bc bs.  They corrected the anesthesia payment directly while on the phone with them . Didnt even need to put it in writing. Good luck. Make your calls keep track of names and dates and then put everything in writing.

  • labelle
    labelle Member Posts: 721
    edited November 2014

    I had a similar issue w my radiology-the guy reading the reports was not in my network-even though I had my needle biopsy done at an in network facility. I have Cigna thru my employer and was talking to a co-worker about it. Apparently it happens a lot, she told me to call Cigna and explain, I did and they fixed it. The insurance guy said all I had to do was ask. He's like, "Would you prefer this to be billed as an in network expense?" Heck, yes! Duh. My deductible and coinsurance are WAY higher for out of network providers. He fixed it, but I have to call and ask every time! Call your insurance company, tell them you went to an in network provider facility, you can't help it if they contracted some of your care out to some one else, and you want them to fix it. Worked for me. 

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