1 week post DIEP and just need to vent

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stinkiesissie
stinkiesissie Member Posts: 10
edited April 2015 in Breast Reconstruction

I had an unexpected response to efforts to view realistic results of DIEP reconstruction before my surgery, which I thankfully survived last week. I appealed by private message to view the picture forum which I do understand is not run by breastcancer.org. after surviving a diagnosis of triple negative breast cancer this year with dose dense neo adjuvant chemo, bilateral mastectomy, and failed expanders. These forums have been a tremendous source of reliable information and support, and I fully expected to be shown kindness, compassion, and where to go for help.  My efforts to be approved to view the picture forums resulted in a frustrating, unrealistic and useless explanation of the hoops I would need to jump through to be deemed worthy of access. I'm okay. I found help elsewhere, but I just don't think this sort of treatment behooves what these boards represent to those of us with little enough energy to go though what we need to go through, never mind jump through hoops. What follows is my response to the administrators of the picture forum trying to make sure everyone understands the "approval process":

"As much as I respect and appreciate what you are trying to do, the time frame for approval is totally out of synch to be useful, sensitive or reasonable for people like me, who despite having a past membership and relationship to these boards while supporting my sister, saluki, was told in essence "Our need to protect the group trumps your need to see from reliable sources, what you might look like if you go through with your scheduled DIEP surgery in two weeks. About 100 supportive posts to others might just do it. keep in touch" I know I sound bitter but someone who has spent the year fighting for her life with dense dose chemo, double mastectomy and failed expanders might not have the internal resources to start showing her ability to support others with a good will gesture of ,say,  maybe 100 posts. There's surely got to be a better way. Thank God, last week I survived my 12 hour surgery with the support of the Facebook DIEP forum.


respectfully, stinkiesissie"

Thanks for letting me vent. I think we can and should do better than this.


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  • dltnhm
    dltnhm Member Posts: 873
    edited November 2014

    Since the picture forum is not run by BCO, there's not much that can be done on that front. 

    I recall reading the "hoops" initially (and that was actually after my DIEP) but also found that there are plenty of places online that show pictures of reconstructed breasts and the different procedures used. 

    Having to have a certain number of posts over a certain period of time would have limited my access to that forum IF I'd known about it prior to surgery. I joined BCO just a few weeks (if that) before my mastectomy and immediate DIEP. I'd have been denied too.  

    It sounds as though you found what you were looking for off-site. Thankful for that for you! Perhaps it would help to have a thread dedicated to many different sites that have photos.

    The DIEP threads have been extremely helpful to a number of women on these boards. 

  • exbrnxgrl
    exbrnxgrl Member Posts: 12,424
    edited November 2014

    stinkiesissie,

    Since the administrators of the picture forum created and maintain it voluntarily, it's hard to demand more of them. They absorb any expenses related to it and cope with bc themselves.I feel compelled to defend lilah and nowheregirl, because they are, after all, volunteers. I do appreciate your point of view and understand your frustration. If you or anyone else is interested in doing better, than you certainly should. I hope you continue to recover well.

  • Lily55
    Lily55 Member Posts: 3,534
    edited November 2014

    i understand your perspective but equally know that if my new "breasts" were out there in public I would want to know my trust and privacy was protected as much as possible ......its a very difficult balance to manage as sadly images like that do attract pervs and voyeurs. 

  • Staple
    Staple Member Posts: 35
    edited November 2014

    I found it frustrating also but those ladies are doing the best they can.  By the time anyone wanted to give me access it was too late.   I found the most pictures on Vinnie Myers website to get an idea and just posted myself out on realself for anyone to see.

  • LilacBlue
    LilacBlue Member Posts: 1,636
    edited November 2014

    stinkiesissie, I too understand. Was able to have access (a year after surgery) to the picture page and practically had to offer up my first born to get it. I've viewed it once - the initial look-see and most likely have been dropped. The one visit was enough. Lily55 is right, it is a difficult balance and as exbrnxgrl pointed out, lilah and nowheregirl offer this as a free service to BCO women.

    You know, all the photos, animations and Youtube diep clips I viewed did not fully prepare me for what one really experiences - the reality in recovering and adjusting to life post diep.  I hope you continue to heal and move forward as swiftly as possible without any undue complications.  Also happy that you found excellent online support on Facebook. 

  • Raelan
    Raelan Member Posts: 200
    edited November 2014

    I'm sorry you feel you were treated unfairly.  However, as one who posts frequently to the picture forum with photos of my own personal journey, I truly respect and appreciate the scrutiny and protection the administrators provide.  I takes a lot of courage to post photos of a mutilated masectomy chest, followed by photos of all the surgeries ones seems to need to go through to get to the point of feeling whole again.

    Were it not for the stringent requirements the administrators have established I would have deleted my photos and pulled my thread a long time ago.

  • DiveCat
    DiveCat Member Posts: 968
    edited November 2014

    I am glad your surgery went well, and I hope the rest of your recovery goes well! I am also happy you found some photos and support.

    I am also sorry you feel this way. But as you understand the picture forum is not part of BCO, I am not sure your intent here? The two admins are volunteers, and women who have been affected by this terrible disease themselves, and keep the picture forum running as a service to others.

    My understanding and experience was not that there was a minimum number of posts (I certainly did not have that many...and no where near 100!) but they look more at the substantive nature of the posts you do make. I have a thread there. Frankly, I am not personally too bothered about idea of others finding my photos and have posted them elsewhere too, but many other members there do, understandably, place a high value on the safety and privacy of the forum, in order to feel comfortable sharing their own very intimate photos. It can be a very vulnerable experience - to post those photos. I believe the administrators recognize that and value that. Of course this means it may not be easy to get initial access, but there is good reason for that in my opinion. 

  • nowheregirl
    nowheregirl Member Posts: 894
    edited November 2014

    If you think WE should and can do better than this, then do it. I am tired of publicly being labelled like a heartless bitch and blamed for what I have been voluntarily doing since only a couple of months after my own diagnosis, which was when I was in the middle of my own chemo treatment. Why should I be blamed? I could quit running the picture forum anytime if it's not helping at all. 

  • OneBadBoob
    OneBadBoob Member Posts: 1,386
    edited November 2014

    just a vote of support, nowheregirl, for all you do and have done in running the picture forum.

    You are so correct.  If anyone thinks they can do it better, let them do it.

    And again, thank you for all you do.  I appreciate all the time and effort you voluntarily put into the picture forum, to say nothing of the expense of running it.

  • exbrnxgrl
    exbrnxgrl Member Posts: 12,424
    edited November 2014

    Nowheregirl,

    I know it must be upsetting to read posts about the picture forum that complain about how it's run. Clearly, those who voice those complaints do not understand that it is not part of bco and run completely voluntarily by Lilah and yourself (despite many posts explaining this). Ignore them, plain and simple. Your dedication has helped far more more than you know and those who can't or won't try to understand the workings of the pic forum are certainly the in the minority.

    I too suggested that if anyone thinks it can be done better, they are welcome to give it a go!

  • Lilah
    Lilah Member Posts: 4,898
    edited November 2014

    I was the one who wrote to you, Stinkiesissie, when you requested membership.  You had JUST joined BCO when you wrote and you had not posted at all.  I encouraged you to start posting and sharing and write to me again.  At no time did I tell you to post 100 times.  In fact what I wrote to you was this, which is what I write to everyone who does not meet our criteria for membership (which exists to protect the privacy of our members):

    <<If you decide to start sharing via posts here on BCO -- offering advice and support -- then write to me again when you've built up a presence here through posts on the threads you read.

    I hope you will understand that I am not saying "no" -- only wait -- and that you will appreciate this care we take for our members' privacy... especially as someone who, I'm sure, would want the same protection and care.>>

    I wish you a healthy recovery.

    Edited to add: none of the quotes you wrote are actual quotes of anything that was written to you.  All you had to do on September 27 was start posting and write to me again.  

  • AmyQ
    AmyQ Member Posts: 2,182
    edited November 2014

    I want to thank Lilah and Nowheregirl for your steadfast management of the picture forum. Sometimes people think the rules don't apply to them or that exceptions should be made, just because they ask.  Because of your scrutiny and consistent adherence to the rules, we members don't have to worry about people who have nefarious intentions.  If feelings are hurt during the vetting process, it's too bad, but without this scrutiny, the forum wouldn't be the excellent resource it has become. I am not saying stinkiesissie was ill-intentioned requesting access but I am sorry you feel slighted or wronged, but please try to understand why the rules are in place and more importantly, enforced. I am happy to hear you survived your DIEP surgery and hope you are on the road to making a complete recovery. 

    Nowheregirl and Lilah you can't monitor the picture forum any better than it currently is. I am sorry you are frustrated but please know there are many more ladies who support all that you do for us, than criticize. Thank you too for your dedication to us and the forum. 

    Amy

  • CFK
    CFK Member Posts: 24
    edited November 2014

    Nowheregirl and Lilah do an amazing job.  I have posted on the picture forum and I probably wouldn't have if the security measures these women have put in place weren't there.  It's hard to post something so personal but I wanted to in the hope of helping other women who are going through this ordeal.  You two women have been through a lot with other women getting angry at you.  I'm sorry for that but I appreciate everything you do.  You have helped out so many women including myself.  Thank you!

  • Loveroflife
    Loveroflife Member Posts: 5,563
    edited November 2014

    I was recently giving access to the picture forum and very grateful that Fumi and Lilah took their time to screen people to make sure they are legit to protect the privacy of the generous people who share their journeys with others. I would want my privacy protected also. They are very fair in the process of screening. People need to do their share and follow instructions. I do believe that they work tirelessly behind the scene to keep the forum running. They didn't have to, but they choose to because of their love and willingness to help others.

    I'm so sorry that you feel like you've been treated unfairly. Remember, they are just doing their jobs (unpaid) to protect members' privacy. Would you want anybody to look at your intimate pictures?

    I'm glad that you made it through your surgery and hope that you are on the road to recovery. You have been through a lot and most of the ladies here have too. Best wishes.

  • tiddlywinks
    tiddlywinks Member Posts: 22
    edited December 2014

    stinksissie my chemo addled mind had similar issues. I read the rules but didn't let the part that my request could be ignored sink in.l also made a few posts but didn't realize, that wouldn't be enough. Truthfully though I like the tight leash. On Facebook there's a reconstruction group...not very active...but it is easy to access and I worry perverts get in. I'm part of one group that is led by a man. He's nice enough, but we talk about our breasts, our sex lives, hormones, etc and it just feels creepy to know a man is reading it. No pics thank goodness. So stink I feel your hurt but I do understand why they are careful. If you need someone to talk to I'm here. I didn't have tram though. I did expander to implant.

  • Momine
    Momine Member Posts: 7,859
    edited December 2014

    Stinkie, the procedures are there to protect people's privacy. As already pointed out, the picture forum is not run by BCO, but by volunteers.

    I did get access to the forum without too much trouble, and I found it very helpful (and quite scary).

  • stinkiesissie
    stinkiesissie Member Posts: 10
    edited December 2014

    Taking this opportunity to thank the people who wished me well and tried to offer advice and suggestions. I had no intention of hurting the feelings of those who work hard to maintain the privacy and integrity of these forums even while they are dealing with their own diagnoses and treatments.More stress is the last thing anyone needs while fighting cancer. 

    My reference to a hundred posts was admittedly taken out of context. The message I was referring to said something to the effect that even if someone posted a hundred times and all of those posts were to the humor forum, it might not be enough to get a person access because no real willingness to share and support would have been demonstrated yet. My sister points out that sometimes the humor forum is all one has the strength or brain for during this journey. 

    I did scour the internet for DIEP reconstruction photos, but, as someone else mentioned, I always assumed that the sites I found (many being plastic surgeon sites) were probably showing me a variety of their best work. I found the info I was looking for on the Facebook DIEP support forum. I had my surgery three months ago and am, thank G-d , doing very well. Feel free to ask me anything you like about my experience with DIEP. I can share before and after photos as well. ( I guess private message would be best) 

    Again, I want to apologize for any grief or ill will I may have inadvertently caused. I wish only healing, strength and blessings for every single one of us.

    Be well! Sincerely Stinkie Sissie. AKA Saluki's sister, Arlette

  • LAstar
    LAstar Member Posts: 1,574
    edited December 2014

    In this world of anonymous posters angering each other by saying rude things, can I say how refreshing it is to see a thread where people are communicating with each other and really hearing each other and coming to a peaceful understanding of each other? Thanks to all for civility and kindness during difficult times. Best wishes for healing, Arlette, and thanks to Lilah & nowheregirl for providing this helpful service. Don't forget to contribute to cover their costs.


  • cider8
    cider8 Member Posts: 832
    edited February 2015

    I want to point out that patients should have access to their PS's work other than what is posted on their publicsites. We can ask our PS to let us see more work, especially similar procedures and progress photos. I'd be suspicious if a PS had very limited photos to share. My PS was out of state and I know they emailed photos to new patients if requested.

    The photo site is run just right!

  • kmahalick
    kmahalick Member Posts: 19
    edited April 2015

    When the mind is muddy and the recommendations are high I found I was very trusting when I placed myseelf in the hands of my plastic surgeons, it is so difficult to sift through the pictures on websites showing "textbook" reconstruction results and wake up to much less.

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