Starting Chemo October 2014

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  • ml143333
    ml143333 Member Posts: 658
    edited October 2014

    Sjacobs - I second Immodium.  You can take it in pill form or liquid.

    SpeedCat - welcome back from the races!  hope you had an awesome time.

    Ilovecoasters - Congrats on the first infusion.  If you're like me, I feel good with the first one under my belt and know better what to expect the second time around.  I think the celebration was a little over the top.  I certainly understand wanting to celebrate, but you have to keep in mind other people, the size of the center, where other people are in their treatment and so many other things.  I am glad for the person completing chemo though.  Keep up with your nausea meds - don't let it get past you.  Rest and take care of yourself.  Do you have to get a Neulasta shot?

    I hope everyone has a great night!

  • Ilovecoasters
    Ilovecoasters Member Posts: 199
    edited October 2014

    I am not feeling well. Is this normal- so soon? I feel drunk, dizzy, nauseous, my heart is beating out of my chest, and I have some tummy pain.  I'm freaking out . 

  • Leto
    Leto Member Posts: 42
    edited October 2014

    Ilovecoasters, I had the same symptoms of drunk, dizzy, headaches for days 2,3, and 4 after chemo but not so much nausea and not on the day of chemo. I also had the heart-pounding out of my chest but not constant.  You are the only one that knows your own body, and if you are freaking out, then call them.  Did they give you after hours number?  Try to stay calm, I know it's difficult.  Hugs :)

  • cbooklvr
    cbooklvr Member Posts: 66
    edited October 2014

    Sjacobs I also take immodium, it slows things down but did not stop it.

    Ilovecoasters I would say call MO office, my infusion stressed to call at any time if feeling really sick or questions. They have Dr on call. I felt pretty drunk after my infusion

  • armamp95
    armamp95 Member Posts: 44
    edited October 2014

    Hi Ladies ... 

    It is almost the last minute of October, and I am just getting around to posting here.  I started TCH two weeks ago ... will do 5 more rounds of that (every 3 weeks), then Herceptin only for the rest of the year.  I have done pretty well so far ... diarrhea and a low grade headache are the main issues.  I am an arm amputee, and keep experimenting and trying to learn to tie scarves adequately ... luckily I also have a supply of hats, etc., but I do want to master the scarf thing.  I am hoping that I avoid the fingernail issues ... Reynaud's Syndrome makes my hand hyper sensitive to cold, so wishes and tea tree are my only counter measures.

  • HollyD
    HollyD Member Posts: 49
    edited October 2014

    ilobecoasters- I am so sorry you are not feeling well so soon after your infusion! Are you still on the steroids? My Onc has me take them the day before, day of, and day after chemo and that helped keep me from getting sick for at least 24 hours after. I'm hitting a wall by the evening of the second night post infusion, then onto ativan and Tylenol. I'm sick as hell and feel like I'm on a 3 day acid trip by then. Hope you get better quicker if it hit you quicker, hugs. 

  • HollyD
    HollyD Member Posts: 49
    edited October 2014

    wendeeB- mine is photography. I've had to take a major break through all of this and shooting when I have the energy. It's great therapy. It was my plan to start business and had to take a backseat for awhile :( I did get published in two magazines this month though so that is keeping my spirits up! 

  • HollyD
    HollyD Member Posts: 49
    edited October 2014

    I found these on amazon but I'm thinking there might be some in eBay if you searched! These are the ones my infusion center provides to ice your hands and feet so that you're not using sponges or direct ice. There a lot of money if you're doing a shorter regimen. Elasto-gel Hypothermia Mitts for nail loss onycholysis https://www.amazon.com/dp/B000URFIJ6/ref=cm_sw_r_awd_N5Cuub03XA0TX

  • Becca9800
    Becca9800 Member Posts: 79
    edited October 2014

    ilovecoasters- DRINK Woman! Drink! I know everything tastes awful but dehydration doesn't take long to set in. Dehydration makes everything worse. When you're nauseated the last thing you want to do is put something in your mouth but you have to do it. Dehydration makes you more nauseous, it makes you feel very weak, makes your heart race. You have to stay up on your fluid intake. Take your nausea meds, wait a bit for it to start working and then chug some lots of  fluids. 

    Sjacobs - Activia yogurt, the kind that Jamie Lee Curtis advertises, is what they told me will help maintain the gut's normal bacteria. I had the most awful diarrhea EVER and my husband had to remind me they told me to eat this yogurt routinely. I had totally forgotten about it.

    Linda aka BookLady - how ya doing today? Hoping you are feeling better.

    Fabian - apparently Taxotere is known to stain the skin along the path of the vein it is infused through. I remember that being one of the reasons why my MO recommended a port. I didn't get the impression though that it was permanent.

    Leto - OF COURSE I have to avoid fresh fruit. It's one of the few food stuffs I can still taste and that tastes good :( But it makes sense why I shouldn't eat it. Darnn!! 

    armamp- Hello and welcome!

    Interesting stuff - so I was wondering why I am still tasting sweet things fairly normally while everything else either has no taste or taste repulsive, nothing at all like I know it should. The tongue has receptors for 4 different tastes - sweet, salty, sour and bitter (some sites say there is a 5th = savory). Guess which one has the highest tolerance to the effects of chemotherapy. Yep, the sweet taste buds are the hardest to damage. What a cruel trick of fate. I have to steer myself HARD to keep away from the only food that brings me any pleasure these days. Bummer.

    Let's all raise our glasses (I miss my wine) and offer up a toast for a peaceful and feel-good day. 

  • Ilovecoasters
    Ilovecoasters Member Posts: 199
    edited October 2014

    So it seems Red Devil is a good name. I just got my period. Two full weeks early. What the hell? They told me my cycle would stop.  The heart fluttering diminished during the night. So did some of the dizziness. I am still nauseous and have a headache Motrin won't touch. I am drinking! Everytime I got up during the night I drank a red solo cup of water and also swished with the baking soda/salt water.  I was given steroids in my IV but nothing prior. Thanks to my insurance I still don't have Zofran.  

  • Becca9800
    Becca9800 Member Posts: 79
    edited October 2014

    ilovecoasters, Good Girl, keep drinking, I sincerely want to spare you my own miserable mistake. Have you spoken directly with your insurance company, to plead your case? Shouldn't have to but they can be so heartless if they're only looking at a piece of paper. Ginger is supposed to help alleviate some of the nausea. I found some ginger chews at a local health food store, didn't try them though, was too nauseated! Duh! As to your cycle, you made me chuckle, you probably didn't mean to strike a funny bone but my sense of humor has been altered by this experience too. My thought was glad I don't have to worry bout that too. Thank God for small favors. Hang in there, set a goal to get through 5 minutes at a time. 

  • Ilovecoasters
    Ilovecoasters Member Posts: 199
    edited October 2014

    It's a long story. Pharmacy needed an override from MO. Pharmacy claims MO wouldn't return calls. I spoke to MO who said he faxed the paperwork twice. Pharmacy now says they have to order in the drug.  Takes 2 days. Insurance was glad to help only if process was followed. 

    Can't wait to get my Neulasta tomorrow on top of all of this.  Wondering if I will be ok to drive. 

  • Sjacobs146
    Sjacobs146 Member Posts: 770
    edited October 2014

    Thanks for the info dear friends.  I will pick up some Imodium today.  My DH ran out and got me some Pepto last night.  I don't like drinking that thick liquid.  It was a little scary last night because I was seeing some bright red blood as well, but I guess that is from hemorrhoids.  I also happen to have gotten my period, so it's hard to tell where the blood is coming from.  

    Silver lining for today - I am no longer having trouble sleeping.  All I can do is sleep right now.  

  • Sjacobs146
    Sjacobs146 Member Posts: 770
    edited October 2014

    Ilovecoasters - where in the hell are you being treated?  My MO said that in this day and age no one should have nausea from chemo.  I started steroids the day before first treatment.  Day of treatment they gave me Benadryl (to prevent allergic reactions) Prilosec (because steroids can give you ulcers), steroid, and Zofran ( nausea) in the IV before chemo started.  I had more steroids for next day, plus compazine for nausea.  They said that if the compazine did not work, they'd give me Zofran.  Haven't needed Zofran yet.  Are you even taking the Compazine?  Forget the insurance, get the Zofran prescription and go to Walmart and pay out of pocket.

    Neulasta shot was a piece of cake.  It can burn, so she went slowly.  It's the after effects that get ya.  My advice is to keep up with the Tylenol or Motrin.  Don't let it wear off.  The last hour before next Motrin was a killer, so I started takin 7 hours apart instead of 8.

  • wendeeB
    wendeeB Member Posts: 40
    edited October 2014

    Holly! thank you so much for your reply. I am so super excited for you. What an accomplishment to be published in a magazine! You have to have a special kind of  eye to be a photographer. Amazing. thank you so much for sharing your passion with me  :)  you should upload one of your pictures. I would love to see some of them!  How are you feeling overall?

    don't know if it was the claritin, or the fact that my bones were used to what they had to do to make the excess of white blood cells, but this go around has been much easier for me as far as pain, and other side effects. My mouth got kind of nasty on Tuesday night but I continue to rinse with baking soda and warm water and it didn't get nearly as yucky as the first time. I had my blood work done today my white cells were high as to be expected with neulasta and everything else looks good.  

  • speedcat88
    speedcat88 Member Posts: 37
    edited October 2014

    Hey Ladies,

    Just trying to catch-up on where everybody is and how you're all doing since I've been away for awhile.  I guess I have been blessed so far and I wish everyone was doing as well.  Mouth sores, every liquid tasting like a mouthful of sodium, and some fatigue is about it.  Still no nausea during or after so I've had no refills on anything but my Prilosec.  Started Miralax the day before chemo and continued until this week, 8 days total so no problem with constipation.  That was my biggest problem after the first infusion other than the mouth sores.  My MO has me take the steroids for 3 days following chemo.  They seem to be helping my bad knee as a positive side effect.  I do get a little moody on the 3rd and 4th days following chemo, just tend to cry a lot.  I just tell my DH it's my feel sorry for me days.      

    Taking the Loratadine (for the Neulasta pain) pretty much daily for allergies anyway.  Less need for Tylenol this round, but I did feel the pressure in my chest...tells me the shot is working.  I found that my taste tends to come back a few days before the next infusion round.  Bummer. 

    I also have a place on my arm above the first infusion site.  It started out a little bruised feeling and red then changed in appearance to look like a burn.  It peeled on Sunday, but I don't think it's going away.  Now the second site has started to feel the same way, just above where the line actually was.  I expect it will do the same.  

    As far as the mittens and boots for cooling.  I can't afford those for 6 treatments and I don't think my insurance will cover them (they've been fantastic about everything else except my wigs so I'm not complaining).  That was the idea behind the sponges.  It takes so long for the Taxotere to go in that you need to remember to remove your hands and feet from the ice (or whatever) on occasion to prevent frostbite.  It took the Tax an hour and a half for my first infusion and an hour the second time.  4 more rounds to go so I think I'll stick with the sponges.   The best I've found so far are tack sponges (like for saddles).  

    Well, I hope you are all having better days.  Hang in there ladies and we will get through these bumps in the roads we all travel called out lives.  Love you all.

  • speedcat88
    speedcat88 Member Posts: 37
    edited October 2014

    Nomatterwhat,

    Had a great time and saved most of my energy for the Sunday race.  I was standing most of the last 50 laps and was crying, jumping, and screaming at the end.  Did stay in the grandstands longer than usual to watch the celebration.  Something told me that if I tried to sell the tickets and not go I would miss Junebug winning his grandfather clock.  I've seen him win before, but I don't think I've ever seen him so happy.  It was a great race!!!! That's probably it for my race travel this year.  That's my passion. 

  • wendeeB
    wendeeB Member Posts: 40
    edited October 2014

    Speed Cat! I knew it! I knew racing was your passion but thank you for sharing. I grew up watching racing as my dad used to race in Daytona back when it was still actually on Daytona Beach. I've grown up with the Pettys and so many other of the old school names. also glad to hear that your side effects are manageable. Mine are too.

    anyone else want to share their passion? I'd love to talk about it.

    blessings to all.  

  • Fabian59
    Fabian59 Member Posts: 23
    edited October 2014

    Speedcat:  Sounds like you have a chemo burn from your infusion.   I have one from the first infusion and my oncologist said it will probably eventually go away.  Second spot not yet but it does burn a little so hoping it doesn't make a mark like the first one.  Only two more treatments to go so don't really want a port.  Oncologist said I did not need one.  Hope everyone is doing well.  Hang in there.  Half way there.

  • cbooklvr
    cbooklvr Member Posts: 66
    edited October 2014

    My passion is books and reading. I always say that I am going to work at the library when I retire. I also enjoy helping others so it fits the bill.

    A new baby passion is hiking, I have only gone twice on simple trails but really enjoyed it 

    Cherice

  • Leto
    Leto Member Posts: 42
    edited October 2014

    Hello all, just wanted to give an update on my SECOND treatment.  One more down, 6 to go.  Start to finish only takes 2 hours which I am very thankful for.  The nausea meds first:  Aloxi, dexamethasone and Emend. Then the adriamycin and Cytoxin.  Discussed my SEs with the MO - headaches, dizziness, and heart palps all caused by the steroid (dexamethasone). I also take this in pill form twice/day on days 2 and 3 after chemo.  The MO said I could cut down on the steroid to once/day to see if that reduces the dizziness and headaches.  I hope so, on the other hand, the nausea will have a better chance of setting in.  I have compazine and zofran but have only used the zofran twice. Very thankful for that too, but I am such a huge wimp when it comes to headaches.   Has anyone had any side effects from the compazine?  

    Thanks everyone!

  • speedcat88
    speedcat88 Member Posts: 37
    edited October 2014

    wendee, that is awesome!  Really enjoyed meeting the King in the garage. 

    Fabian,  I'm hoping they go away, too and I don't want a port either.  I just hope my veins hold out for 4 more infusions.  I've always had good veins and they started very low at my hand.  

    cbooklvr, I used to love hiking especially in the Smoky Mtns.  Great exercise.  Still love reading.  Getting a Kindle was the best thing I ever did for myself.  Some really good indi authors out there and lots of free books. 

  • Ilovecoasters
    Ilovecoasters Member Posts: 199
    edited October 2014

    I'm feeling more human tonight.  Heart palps and severe nausea stopped about two hours ago.  I pretty much slept off and on all day.  Tomorrow is Neulasta.  Other than Claritin and Motrin is there anything else I can do to prepare? 

  • Ilovecoasters
    Ilovecoasters Member Posts: 199
    edited October 2014

    What exactly do the steroids do that benefit us? 

  • Leto
    Leto Member Posts: 42
    edited October 2014

    IloveCoasters - in my case, I am taking a nausea medication via the port called EMEND.  The EMEND helps block nausea and vomiting signals from the BRAIN.  The Aloxi blocks nausea and vomiting signals from the Stomach.

    From what I've read, Emend drug is always used in conjunction with a corticosteroid (dexamethasone) AND and a 5-HT3 antagonist (Aloxi eg).

    Hope this helps.  I'm by no means an expert on steroids, but it used for nausea.

  • Ilovecoasters
    Ilovecoasters Member Posts: 199
    edited October 2014

    Leto 

    Thank you. That's exactly what they gave me. I'm still woozy but definitely feeling better. They said the anti nausea meds in the IV last 3 days. I'm worried what may happen day 4! 

  • Leto
    Leto Member Posts: 42
    edited October 2014

    Ilovecoasters - I was also worried about that same thing!  But I was so relieved on day 4 when the constipation wore off. 

    I am hoping that this round is better since I will be reducing the steroid this time.  I really have not had nausea yet - I am so thankful.  Let's just hope that doesn't change much.  Take care.

  • April8
    April8 Member Posts: 65
    edited October 2014

    just wanted to give a detailed update for our newest people (plus up all night from steroids!!). Just finished infusion #2. If anyone out there is debating the port placement-do it! It saves you the pain of finding the good vein and once it's in, you don't feel the flows and it makes the process much faster. Today they gave me Zofran and some other drug first (can't recall name), then smaller dose of Benadryl, then Pepcid, then smaller dose of Herceptin then Taxol. Next week I am going to refuse Benadryl-the nurse said I won't need it. I had crazy restless leg syndrome during the infusions. Got out quick-3 hours. Next week will be longer bc my bloodwork has to be done. I have a headache right now and I am hyper. Have had constipation-no diahhrea. My major problem is nerve pain in my lower back and legs. Fatigue is unpredictable as well. I'm also gaining weight. First week I drank at least 64 ounces of water the first three days. Nothing going on with nausea (thank you!!) and hair is ok for now-but I know that is going to change in about 10-14 days. I have intermittent pains in my abdomen-they are uncomfortable but nothing happens. My MO's office is disappointing-they never checked on me after the first infusion and when I called with a question for the nurse she never got back to me. Sneezing a lot following today's infusion-could be the leaves everywhere. All in all, I can take it (for now). The holidays are not going to be fun this year!!

  • wendeeB
    wendeeB Member Posts: 40
    edited October 2014

    Cherice!  I love books too!  I started reading really early, and haven't  stopped. I'm the girl that when my friends went to the mall I went with them, but I spent my time in the book stores.  what's your most recent favorite book?

    my doctor told me that the corticosteroids that we're taking, specifically dexamethasone, is to prevent an allergic reaction from the solvent used in one of the chemotherapeutic agents.

    wishing everyone a super exciting Halloween. I love this day. Tonight my kids and I are going as Michonne, her two walkers, and Sophia. I can't wait to get home from work and start on the makeup.

  • Ilovecoasters
    Ilovecoasters Member Posts: 199
    edited October 2014

    Just got home from getting my Neulasta injection.  Burned but wasn't horrible.  They offered to either give it in my belly or the back of my arm.  Went for the arm.  Don't know why but now I'm so sleepy.  

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