ILC Grade 2
Hello everyone. This is my first time joining any kind of online forum (except Facebook).
So, just needing some reassurance that I've made the best decision. I don't think there is a right or wrong decision, just what is best decision for me. But did I make the best decision?
My diagnosis came via telephone on 30Sep14 after having annual mammogram, followup mammogram, ultrasound, ultrasound guided biopsy and finally MRI. (initial mammogram 19Sep14). Cancer Nurse Coordinator was prepared for my shock and disbelief. I told her to just talk and I would listen, try to comprehend and write a few notes for myself. I needed to be able to share my diagnosis with 2 of my sisters before telling the rest of my family. They were surprised too.
Had a meeting with the geneticist on 3Oct. Took family history, discussed BRCA1/BRCA2 and panel tests. Took blood for BRCA tests as well as to be ready for surgery. All blood work came back normal. I am in good health. (with the exception of a neuroma on my left foot and a Bakers cyst behind my left knee and now the cancer diagnosis)
I should tell you I am 56, post menopausal 1 yr and took lowest dose of Pempro for hot flashes during this last year. Cancer seems to be running in the family. Mom had cancer 2 X with double mastectomy and reconstruction the 2nd time (this between her 60s-70s). Younger sister (mid 40's at the time) had a ductal carcinoma and reconstruction about 7 years ago. Dad had early stage pancreatic cancer and is 5 years cancer free this April. He is now 80. Whipple surgery saved him. I do have a family of survivors.
Oct 15, 2 of my sisters (neither having any cancer) drove from OR to be with me in Seattle during my 4 hr meetings with the Radiologist, Surgeon and Oncologist. I'm so glad they joined me. So much information. All the Dr's and nurses were great. They fielded questions from all 3 of us. In addition, the meetings were recorded and sent to me within 2 days on a cd-rom. I've listened to the cd's numerous times, talked with friends and family, even shared the recordings with a a few so they would be better informed and could help be make a decision if/when I asked, which I did and which I got great feedback. Not that I agreed with them all, but it certainly helped.
So- here is my diagnosis and recommendations-
invasive lobular carcinoma, grade 2, Nottingham 6/9, largest 7.5 mm, no DCIS, calcifications present in carcinoma, ALH and ducts, no lymphatic invasion
Right breast 11:00 ER + PR + HER2 -(1+)
Here is the recommendations:
RECOMMENDATIONS
Breast Surgery Options: Right partial mastectomy
Oncoplastic Options: Left mastopexy , Right breast radial ellipse, Right racquet mammoplasty
Axillary Nodal Staging Options: Right sentinel lymph node biopsy
Localization Options: Right breast pre and intraoperative ultrasound
Radiation Therapy Eligibility: Right whole breast radiation therapy, Right breast IORT
Patient may be a candidate for a clinical trial : VMMC IORT Protocol
I went round and round wanting IORT. What a great thing that is ,eh? Being able to have radiation at time of surgery and followed by meds and close/frequent follow-ups. I was really leaning this way. However, my Radiologist said research has not shown the best results with lobular cancer. She gave me an example that of 5 women in their study, with similar characteristics to mine, including age, 4 of them did not have clear margins and had to still have full breast radiation. One minute I said I don't care, what have I got to lose if I have IORT? If the margins were clean, then I'm done with radiation. How great would that be? I had the Dr's send for insurance approval. They say could take 10-14 business days. So over the weekend I pondered and read up about IORT on the internet. I found some YouTube videos showing the procedure. And in the end, much of the data was the same. Studies excluded Lobular. If they included it, they didn't have enough people or data with Lobular to show positive results. My Surgeon seemed to be more positive about it and I felt like she was telling me I should do it. Although I know she was not telling me, do it. She is not allowed to sway me one way or another. I had asked the Radiologist last week if she could put me in contact with someone who had IORT so I could speak to them. She did. A woman who was one of the 4. It was helpful talking to her but in some ways I was more unsure now of what I wanted to do.
I also was going round and round about having the Oncoplastic surgery too. Do i want symmetry?, of course. But why would I want to cut into my left breast when I have no cancer there? I do not like hospitals, needles, blood. I have low pain tolerance too. With this type of reconstruction they tell you it's possible to have temporary, partial or complete numbness in/around the nipples and/or areola. This didn't seem like an option I wanted to try. However, getting a bit of a lift (DDD and wire bras all my life) and symmetry would be a great thing. So.. round and round we go in my head.
Then I met with my Surgeon again this week (21Oct). She was so great. It was a good to talk to her again. According the Cancer Care Coordinator it is not unusual for patients to meet with our different Dr's many, many times before making a decision. That made me feel normal. . I actually made up my mind at the appt that I would go with the Lumpectomy and daily radiation and I would forego any reconstruction at the moment. I decided I don't want any dormant microscopic cells living in the breast, so full breast radiation is the way I'm going. I asked to see some photos of before and after and also decided no reconstruction. Perhaps at a later time. Boy did it feel good to have that weight off my shoulders. So Surgery set for 30Oct. . I wanted to get this done sooner rather than later.
Then today 24Oct, I get a text from the women I spoke to that had IORT followed by full breast radiation. She was checking in with me to see how I was doing and if any decisions made. Many texts and I had many more questions than before.
I made another decision this afternoon. I am going to do the Oncoplastic surgery. Better to do it now and not have to go under the knife again and have symmetry. Also, there is the $$ factor. With all this surgery I will have met my medical insurance deductible, co-insurance co-pays 80/20 and my out of pocket maximum for the calendar year ($4000). If I were to wait on the reconstruction, it would be a new calendar year and I'd have to meet the $$ all over again.
So I called the Cancer Care coordinator, asked if Dr would revise the consent form with agreed upon procedure to include Oncoplastic surgery and can we still do it on Oct 30th. AND.. yes, yes, and yes. So I feel good about my decisions.
Am I really crazy or what?? Have I really made the best decision for myself? God, I hope so. What do you think?
If you get through reading my step-step of how I got here, let me know what you think please.
Also, if you have any suggestions on front closure bras for post surgery, I d like to know. I need to get a few.
Have you had a lumpectomy? how long was your recovery? How many weeks did you take off before returning to work?
Any and all suggestions and things I may not have thought about are appreciated. If you don;t want to post, you can send an email or private message me.
Best of Luck to everyone going or having gone thru this. Isn't it ironic that Oct is Breast Cancer awareness month and I found out in Oct?
Julie
Comments
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every one is individual, for me what matters is that you are at peace with the choices you made.......that is the bottom line, imagine yourself five years on, would you feel ok then with choices you made, whether you are healthy or have had a recurrence?
Good luck
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jrs, sorry you find yourself here but it is a great community.
As Lilly says everyone is unique and it is important to do what feels right for you. As for me, I had lumpectomy for 1.5cm ILC at 10 o'clock right breast. just 1 sentinel node removed followed by 33 sessions of radiation. The lumpectomy was not bad. I had it on a Tuesday and was back at work the following week. Thinking back I could probably had done with a little more time but some ladies are back at work even faster (but no lifting for a couple of weeks) and I see you are having surgery on the other side too so you would want to take that into consideration. The radiation was OK too, just laborious day after day and I got fatigued and a little sore, but all in all not too bad at all. I am small breasted and gave up altogether on a bra during rads in favor of a comfy tee. Hopefully somebody can chime in with better bra advice.
Finally, I just want to wish you the very best and hugs as you go through this.
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Dear Julie: Welcome to the club that no one wants to be a part of. I'm not familiar with some of the terms you used like partial mastectomy and oncoplastic surgery. I know what IORT is, but it wasn't available 3 years ago. I just wanted to say that my son lives in Bellevue, and when I'm there I see the great people at Seattle Cancer Care Alliance. If you're not being treated there already (and with all of these innovative procedures, I suspect that you are!), you might want to go there for a 2nd opinion or to see if you like it. I have a lot of faith and confidence in them for my post-cancer care.
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Lilly55- You make a good point re: how will I feel about my decision in 5 years. Truth is I really don't know. I can tell you that I'm at peace with my decision today and have not entertained the thought changing my mind. Surgery is this Thursday and I don't plan on changing the date. I have not had the results of the BRCA tests yet. I believe they will be negative because my younger sisters was negative. I have not even thought about what I would really do if the test came back positive. I am just not even thinking about it... till I read other peoples posts, then I have a fleeting thought and dismiss it quickly.
Thanks for the good luck wishes.
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Hi Izzysmom, - and thanks for sharing your details. It's promising that some women are able to return to work in under 2 weeks. I read on some website that for each hour of anesthesia, one can expect 1 week of recovery. Don't know if that is true or not, but it may have some merit. How long was your surgery? Not counting the Pre-op ultrasound (30 min) and the pre lymphosintoghaphy (90min) which I will be awake for, my surgery will be about 2 hrs. I am not planning on rushing back to work. I get 100% paid Leave of Absence for 13 weeks and the VP of my department told me last week that I should take whatever time I need to fully recover. I'm lucky the VP is female so she has more empathy and compassion for my situation. At least, in my opinion.
Spent a good portion of the day bra shopping and found 3 very similar that may work for me. 2 at Wal-Mart. Inexpensive Fruit of the Loom and 1 at Nordstrom's. (3 x the price great service and help with fitting.). And they even said try it out and if I decide it doesn't work, I should return or exchange it. ..Even if I were to throw out the receipt.
I see you are taking Tamoxifen. Are you post- menopausal? My oncologist told me in our meeting that studies have shown Post-menopausal taking tamoxifen have a greater chance of recurrence as it is not an estrogen inhibitor. He told me I would not be taking tamoxifen.
Thanks for the good wishes. I am thinking positive thoughts too,
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Hello mary625,- I am being treated at Virginia Mason Hospital in Seattle. I did think about getting a 2nd opinion and was looking at the Seattle Cancer Care Alliance website. After meeting with my chosen Dr's and seeing how thorough they are in the pre-planning stage and speaking with them about their expertise, I found I was already trusting them with my life and didn't see a need to look further. How often do you visit Seattle?
Partial Mastectomy is really just another word for Lumpectomy. Oncoplastic surgery is reconstruction done at the same time as the Lumpectomy or Mastectomy. May result in being under anesthesia a littler longer, but should not need to go under the knife at a later date. And my surgeon will do the operation and don't need to bring in a plastic surgeon or have a separate appointment for it,
Thanks for welcoming me to the club I never wanted to be a member of. I will make the most of it and keep a positive attitude. I refuse to let this get the best of me.
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Hi, Julie. I get there at least twice a year, if not more often. My son lives in Bellevue now. SCCA gives me a bone strengthening drug called Zometa by infusion that I cannot get anyone to give me in Washington DC, even though several studies have found it to be very helpful in lessening bone metastases in Stage III women. I get that twice a year. I love it out there, and I would move if I could or when I can. Best wishes for Thursday!
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My lumpectomy and all other surgeries weren't bad. Within 24 hours I felt normal and not dopey from the anesthesia. I had a drain in for 3 weeks from my lumpectomy that I eventually worked around: I hiked and did bikram yoga with the damn thing tucked into the waistband of my shorts. No one knew.
The drains came out of my bmx much sooner, I guess because there was really no tissue left to drain from.
The plastic surgeon's office gave me a front closing bra to wear. I stayed pretty tiny so I could wear stretchy over-the-head bras.
Good luck.
Claire
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I was back at my full time job one week after my lumpectomy. I wish I had the chance to have my other breast reduced because now I have a noticeable size difference. I don't think it's noticeable when I'm wearing clothes, but I certainly notice in front of the mirror. Try and get a bra without the wire, 9 months after my surgery and the wire in my bra still irritates me. Good luck from Donna in NZ.
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jrs. I am not sure how long the surgery was but don't think it was much more than an hour although can't tell for sure as the dye was all done while I was unconscious. I see your lumpectomy was scheduled for today. I hope all went well and you are not having too much discomfort and all results are good.. Its good that you can take the time off that you need. My boss is male but is very nice and his wife is a nurse which I expect helps but it was such a hassle dealing with the benefits people just to get a few days off.
My onc did put me on tamoxifen although I am VERY postmenopausal. I was 80% er+ but pr- (although oncotype had me slightly PR+) and expected to be put on an AI but he decided to do 2 years of tamoxifen first. I think part of it may have been my hair which is very thin on top due to a bad scalp injury. He thought the tamoxifen would be less likely to cause hair loss, which I can ill afford, also to avoid bone loss. He also seemed very happy with my oncotype score of 12 so maybe that was a factor although I too have heard that AIs are more effective. I was actually quite impressed that he called me late on a Friday evening to give me the good news as soon as he had it which I thought was very considerate!
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Julie, hope you are in recovery mode by now with clean margins having been achieved on the first try! If you did choose to have a genetic panel done, it might give your family quite a bit of information regarding their cancer history/risks. BRCA is not the only story any more...
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