September 2014 Surgery Sisters
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As you might know my treatment plan for chemo and hormone therapy is dragging along. So I'm focusing on the tissue expander exchange. I know it's like an in and out day procedure, but what is recovery like? Am I back to no driving? Slowly building up range of motion (that I still don't have 3 weeks post surgery)? Any tips? Like Smitty I switch insurance plans 1/1 so I want this plastics guy to do the exchange. First of two fills is Wednesday. Nervous about pain! I think I'll have to remind him too that I want to be a B. He likes C, which might look better on this body but there is no way I want to ever fit into a D cup again!
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minivan, the exchange surgery for most of us is easy. I had my exchange on a Wednesday and was off all pain meds by Saturday. I did not have any drains with my exchange, I got the Seintra shaped 425cc which was a bigger implant than we had discussed but not to big. My TEs were filled to 350 and my implants look about the same size...with a little less projection. I could drive as soon as I was off the pain medication, so by the weekend. Of course, you will be tired a lot because you were put under again and that will last a few weeks depending on how long your surgery last. Mine was 1 1/2 hours. I think most are a little longer than that but I could be wrong, I guess it depends on pocket work. I did not lose any range of motion with this surgery. I wonder if that is from them messing with our lymph nodes at the MX?
Good luck on your fills, take some kind of pain medicine right before...I had a few percocets lift after my BMX and I used one after the first 3 fills. Maybe you will be one of the lucky ones and barely feel them!
I should add that the iron bra feeling did not go away immediately after exchange for me. I didn't have that huge sigh of relief that some women mention. It has been 6 weeks now and only in the last few weeks have I not noticed them ..always. I didn't have pain I just felt tight. I still think they feel foreign but it is getting better every week. Mine are shaped so really haven't changed much at all, minus some swelling.
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That was a good question minivan, I have been wondering the same thing. My exchange is scheduled for 12/11.
Thanks for the input Mischief46 it is good to know that the exchange might have a quicker recovery time.
I know though that I will have drains put back in as my PS told me she always puts drains in even with the exchange. Ughhhh! I just hated the drains with the BMX!
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Smitty - with how you are describing your pain and especially the "neck" part - it sure sounds like nerve pain - is it on both sides evenly? I sure hope it eases off for you.
Minivan - My exchange was much easier than my BMX -and very much like Mischief's. I only took pain meds for the night of the surgery. I also did not have drains. My surgery was almost 3 hours - he did a bit of pocket work. I did have restrictions on raising my arms above my head and lifting similar to the BMX but only for a couple of weeks. I was allowed to drive a couple of days after the surgery and I went back to work full time one week after surgery but took it physically easy. I was able to sleep on my side a week after surgery. I also did not get that big sigh of relief after exchange but I think that was really due to the fact that my TE's never really hurt me - don't get me wrong - uncomfortable at times YES - but not really pain so the exchange was not a huge difference. I also had the tightness and still do a bit but it is less and less each day. I have round silicones and I haven't really noticed much change in them since the exchange - but I was pleased with them right after the exchange so I am good with not noticing much of a change. I have total range of motion but also didn't have too much of an issue with that after the BMX.
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Thanks to those of you sharing information about your exchange surgery. I'm trying to figure out if I can get away with just having friends check in on me for a few days after the surgery rather than having my mother fly out yet again. It sounds like I can handle this without her.
Smitty, my discomfort from the final fill felt more like the iron bra feeling that I had right after the mastectomy. It's not nerve pain.
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Hey Ever - my hubby was with me over the weekend - had my surgery on a friday afternoon and he went to work on Monday. I was fine - just have things counter level so you don't have to raise your arms for things. I would have been ok by myself with someone checking in on me even the first couple of days. Just have all your stuff set up.
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Me too, I would have been fine. My husband stayed home the day after surgery and went back the next. He put everything I needed on the counter so I wouldn't have to reach up for anything. Although he forgot a coffee cup and I just stood there at the counter staring up at it wondering if it was worth it to reach for it. Of course it was, I love my coffee.
That is the thing to remember, since the pain is minimal and the range of motion isn't really effected it is hard not to do too much to soon. I really tried to not use my arms to much at all for the first few weeks.
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Smitty, when we post here it's not always meant for anyone in particular since most are going through a similar stage. Yes, you did take the meaning of the post wrong. We don't attack one another here. We try to help by sharing information and support. Everyone is free to use what they want and discard the rest. Others here on this thread can tell you my goal since I began this thread way back in June has been to support all our September surgery sisters. What you are describing is unusual. TE's should not cause agonizing, unrelenting pain. Some women have problems with TE's sticking out too far to the side, but severe pain under the arm is not a common complaint. Pain in the back happens and is almost always related to the TE pressing on a nerve, but usually resolves as fills progress and the TE moves away from the nerve. Since your physical therapist agrees that something is wrong, surely your doctor can find some way to help you. It doesn't seem right that you have to wait until your exchange surgery for any relief. That can be months! Pain of the degree you are experiencing is not normal. Glad you got a little rest last night. Hope it's even better in days to come.
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Just saying good morning to everyone. I am grateful for the compassion I've received from everyone here.
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Hi, I'm just checking back in, too--I'm over in the October group, but wanted to see how you all are doing.
I had my PBMX this past Tuesday. Very little pain, and incisions seem to be doing well. I'm a bit perplexed by high blood pressure, which has never been an issue for me. I'm very grateful that I was able to arrange for a visiting nurse, as I at least know someone is checking on me. And she seems to know what she's doing (been at it for 30 years) and is very professional and business-like, so that's comforting, having heard of some who weren't so great!
Be kind to yourselves--and thank you all for sharing your stories. Having this forum as a resource truly is invaluable, I don't know how people navigated this sort of situation in the days before the internet!
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Thank you Sandra, some days are just extra hard and extra emotional. I have not found any relief and I am kicking myself for not calling my Dr. I will have to wait until Monday now. I just feel guilty about having the fills so quickly and wondered if I had brought on the pain myself. But as time goes on and it does not subside it has to be something wrong.
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Smitty, doesn't your doc have an emergency number? A someone posted a little while ago, they are well compensated for this time. Hate to think of you suffering if you don't have to
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My husband just said that. I think I will give his office a call.
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Bless your heart. It's bad enough to be hurting, but then you add the feeling that you can't contact your doctor, and it makes the pain worse and the weekend longer. I agree with the others and hope by now you have been in contact with him. You shouldn't be suffering like this. Please let us know how it goes.
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smitty, I pray you get relief and find the cause of your pain from the fills. My heart goes out to you.
Noonrider, I pray your new surgery (nipple removal, scar touching up, & TE's replaced) goes smoothly, you're back to feeling better & do well.
To the others not feeling well, having pain, etc, my heart is with you. I know how you feel. Prayers you all get through this phase and onto a better path.
Update on myself: Day 5 in hospital~ was supposed to have TE's removed Saturday, but is had been massaging the areas under my cellulitis & lymphedema, and realized TONS of fluid was flowing out of my left side into my drain. I got 90cc's output in one day, 88cc's the next! So my PS said she will "let it go & let vancomycin work until Sunday or Monday" she came in the morning & saw that the antibiotic is finally kicking in, and I'm less red (more pink) and have less swelling (my nipple looked TERRIBLE!! Fat, swollen, & aimed downwards?!) lol. Have to laugh because my small nipple being king sized was just too humorous ! I finally got clearance to KEEP my expanders, IF I keep doing so good on the vancomycin, but HAVE to get a a catheter/port line to go home with to continue on the vanco via IV for awhile. I'm good with that!
she asked if I'm ok staying here a couple-to-few more days? Uhh, as sick as I was?! HECK YEA! Let's really make sure I'm better before letting me go.
she was glad I'm not eager to leave and allowing my body to rest & heal. I'm fine being here....I'm glad I'm being taken care of.....miss my kids, Niece & cats, but FaceTime is a miracle. My children visited me, I "broke bail" and went downstairs with them because hospital rules are: no kids under 14. They quickly saw my room & we went outside in the pavilion here still Mercy Hospital in Springfield Ma and in the front of the building. Tears flowed from their eyes when it was time to leave, then streamed from my own eyes, but I told my 7 year old twins (son & daughter) and 11 year old daughter that "IF mommy never saw the plastic surgeon for my post op to check new drain, I never would have known I was sick, and having the binder on, was holding my bad nasty infection IN, not letting it breathe" and they understood, I was days away from fatality if I hadn't gotten checked. I slept, took meds, and was in severe pain, but when the emergency room sent me home, I never thought I could have anything other than just low pain tolerance. I would've continued to sleep and get worse. The infection is right in front of my heart! And it could've been fatal.....glad I had my ps visit scheduled!
So I'm glad with the decision to keep the TE's (right as I made plan B to rid myself of them and heal, then get smaller ones in 4-6 months).....looks like when we accept our fate, God grants us a better outcome.
I was planning on getting 500-525cc implants (far from now, considering I haven't even been filled!! Only got 60cc's at mastectomy on each side), but am drawn to the anatomical 425cc FF (full height full projection) and more than a handful. My instincts are telling me go smaller, so I'll listen to my instincts, and find it amusing that in every room at surgeon office I go in, I go straight to the 425FF on display. I have a 500cc expander and it's coming out of the sides of my ribs without fills! So I'm sure smaller will be best. Here I was all prepared for being flat for months to come, and suddenly take a turn for the better. I'm so happy, but still know I'm not in the clear. This infection lingers, it can come back, and I am scared I get the drain out in a week or so, because that's where the infection came from- my drain hole. I have pus and fluid coming out of it.....yuck! Thank God my OCD has me using the cleanest products and constantly changing bandages with tegaderms over it to keep air and other toxins in.
Thank you for all your thoughts and prayers. It's been rough, but my drain is my savior, to get this junk out of me! Though it caused this, if I didn't have a way to rid myself of the thick fluid coming out, who knows what would become of my left side that's already gone through so much in 2 years. Righty is good- small seromas that we're hoping absorb....if not, drain will be placed in a few weeks..... Time heals everything. I smile through the pain, take the bad with the good while savoring the good, let God help me while I pray, and prepare the worst, pray for the best. I laugh and smile daily, which helps me get through. I know this process isn't what I "expected", but when has my life ever gone as plan with Systemic Lupus always "surprising" me? Lol.
I'm just glad I'm starting to get better. Not in a rush, just taking it minute by minute, finding ways to help myself stay happy.
May you all find comfort during your sad days, find peace during your downfalls, and find courage to get through all the trials & tribulations we face. I know each of you can get through this time, and will look back amazed at your own strength. God Bless each of my lovely Sept. Surgery Sisters. ((((Hugs))))
Marie J Mello
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Marie, so glad to hear you are getting the care you need and that you seem to be improving. This journey is never smooth and there may be more bumps in the road ahead. I admire your spirit! you will get through this.
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thank you my dear friend for your kind words....there very well may be many more challenges, but I'm going to hurdle each one.
Can't wait to look back once I'm past this & say "wow, I did it!" I look forward to that. And with each downfall, I'm able to help others.
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MarieJune, I wish I could run out to Springfield to give you an in-person hug. I'm so glad that you finally had a glimmer of good news. If you of all people can keep your chin up, so can I.
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awww, jSjacobs, I'm glad I can help you keep your chin up. It's not easy, but we have to literally go hour to hour. Each hour changes, then the next is sometimes better.
if I get bad news, I try to see it as God's will, and what's meant to be, will be, if it's not meant to be, then God won't allow it. That helps me prepare for the worst and when good news comes through, I'm literally in tears of happiness.
I'm hoping to teach anyone who's facing problems with their mastectomy, or people who are scared to get one, that this STILL IS the best decision for me, sick, agonizing pain & all. I've had a few moments (literally cried and said to my Niece, "I never should've got this done! I'm such a burden" and she's amazing (also my caretaker & my kids' caretaker doing it all right now through this) she tells me, "how many more weeks could you wait for test results? You've waited 16 weeks in 2 years! That's 4 months for pathology results, and conquered cancer already in 2012! What would you wait for? More cancer? Because those microcalcifications would become cancer and pash tumor was blocking out everything underneath on the boob u already had cancer....I'm proud of your bravery and your choice"
Hearing a 21 year old say that brings me right back to reality and I realize she's my angel on earth. I'd be nothing without her daily laughter and smiles.
Life is precious, I make sure to do my best to LIVE today, because we only have our temporary bodies God gave us and we have to stay above the negativity all around us. I've ranted, complained, rented space in my head with others' bologna, but it only brought me down. I do, however, think it's healthy to come here, on this site, and let everyone know the truth so they know what to look for. Glad I'm not scaring anyone but helping them. You're so sweet to say such kind words.
I put makeup on yesterday and got dolled up......here's a couple pics.
Marie Mello
(Facebook: marie.mello.12@facebook.com)
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Looking good MarieJune! I'm so happy you've turned a corner and your PS has given you some good news! Thank you for such a beautiful post. You've said it all!
Twenty years ago I had internal bleeding and a bad infection after hysterectomy that required trying a few different antibiotics to beat it. You have an awesome attitude and you will beat this! Soon you will feel better and will be home with your wonderful family . Gentle Hugs !
Sue
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Marie,
So glad you are finally getting proper care. Also glad to know Vancomycin has another fan. I've been singing its praises since it saved me a year ago when three other antibiotics failed to affect my infection. Your surgeon sounds a lot like mine. He had a gut instinct that he should wait one more day (and then one MORE day, etc.) to see what miracle Vanc could do rather than rush into the second surgery. He also used the words, "I want to wait until this area declares itself." Area by area it did...some didn't survive the infection but other parts did, thanks to Vanc and a dedicated PS. While I had to lose a permanent implant because there was no longer enough skin to cover it, he put in an empty TE on day 14 while we were still fighting the infection...and I didn't lose it. I'm confident you will keep your TE's. Some of us just have "scenic detours" on our way to success.
Has your PS talked about a PICC line instead of a port? I'm a huge fan of PICC lines. They put them in the inside of your upper arm. (The only thing you feel is one sting of lidocaine.) After it's in you'll have no more sticks...blood draws are done through one of the two lumens at the end. One is for blood draws, the other is for IV infusion. You can keep a PICC a year or more and many people get them for chemo instead of a port because you won't have a scar on your chest. The tiny hole & suture leave a tiny mark on the inside of your upper arm which fades quickly. I had the PICC for 7 days in the hospital and then went home with it for 7 more days until the PS felt he couldn't wait any longer to remove the remaining dead muscles and soft tissue. They do blood draws after every third infusion to check your liver stats and your home health nurse will change the sterile dressing when needed. My Vanc came in round softball sized containers (my home health nurse called them party balls) like this:
They have tubing at one end which snaps into the PICC lumen and took about 1.5 hours to infuse the Vanc. You only "hook up" twice a day. Although the lumen area has to be kept sterile when cleaning it, the daily care is super easy (you and your niece can easily manage) and the best thing, the "party ball" is portable! I used to put the Vanc into my bag before I left the house. It will even slip into a pocket when it's partially infused. The ball gets smaller and smaller, finally you are left with only the center with plastic wrapped around it. You can sleep with it and don't have to "un-hook" it all night or worry that you will roll over on it or dislodge the PICC. The Vanc is kept in the refrigerator until you need it. You flush the lines before and after and take care to keep the PICC dry. (I used a sleeve with drawstrings at the top and bottom.) Sterile dressing is changed once a week if you keep the PICC longer then a week. Easy, peasy. My husband and I were taught by the PICC team how to take care of it, so we recognized that several of the visiting nurses were not doing it right. (He fired two on the spot!) We just went back to see the PICC team at the hospital for the dressing changes every week but allowed the (new) visiting nurses to do the blood draws and get them to his/her lab. The lab sent the results to your doctor. After the second surgery, I was on Vanc another three weeks. In subsequent surgeries, the PS has ordered it for 10 days until he is sure no infection will develop.
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Glad things are looking up for you Marie!!
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two questions: are small pink spots on breast when you have TE a concern? Why does the bottom of my new breasts with TE look like someone took a meat tenderizer to it? The plastics doc kept saying I had a lot of skin so I didn't think it was new skin. Is it the texture of the te showing?
Thanks for the help.
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Spots are never good. Meat tenderizer skin can't be good either. Certainly not the TE...they are smooth. PS needs to give you a better explanation.
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Sorry minivan I wish I had some info to help you. Hopefully someone else has seen/experienced it. MarieJune posted a pic of her cellulitis on this thread Oct 21. Does it look anything like yours?
Good luck tomorrow noonrider. Hope all goes well and speedy recovery.
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good luck tomorrow noonrider!!!!
I wanted to put up some more pics to better help minivan & others with what my infection looked like- my skin has an orange peel appearance, the other side does NOT look like infected side. I have a pic of my fingers mpressed onto my very swollen hot skin & in the next pic you can see the finger dents along with yellow color. This is a sign of cellulitis. Hope my pics don't get me in trouble...I did my best to crop my VERY PUFFY nipple out- another crazy symptom I got?! It was a small nipple that became highly inflamed & HUGE!!! Even pointed downwards. It was crazy. It's still swollen, but not to how bad it was. If anyone wants full pics showing both sides, I'm more than willing to PM you. I've been taking pics every couple days.
Hope this helps you all.
The one below was BEFORE my nipple swelled up. Once I left the binder off, I got very swollen!! I didn't have the appearance of the "orange peel skin" yet because I had binder with large flat pads in so skin was flat still....until 2 hours later once binder was off to stay. It was hot, tender, swollen, very painful & I felt yucky. Not everyone has any or all of those symptoms. ANY red marks, new things that "appear" can turn into infection- always take pics & check temps. Low temp can mean cellulitis. It's very common after mastectomies.
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Thanks Marie. That's the orange peel that I have. No redness there or different colors after pressing. Seeing the PS on Wednesday.
First fill….maybe? I'm not sure how I feel about that. Nervous for sure. I hate these TE so much and what I currently have isn't too bad. I wonder if PS will consider 1 fill? I can always pad the bra if I feel too small, right? I'd like to run again someday and the thought of these big fobs just doesn't do it for me. I guess it gives me something that is somewhat known to worry about, rather than things like prognosis and chemo/drugs which I won't know about for 22 more days….but who is counting!
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Minivan, still have spots? How's your temp? Hope everything works out for you this week.
Marie, the pictures show other people that color change and puffy skin can mean trouble. Thanks for posting them. It doesn't always have to be obviously infected on the skin to have some serious stuff brewing underneath. Glad you included one to show the pale fingerprint too. That's what my PS looks for during fills and after surgery as a sign the tissue is being compromised. During a fill, he presses lightly on the skin every 30 seconds or so. It blanches white/yellow. As he lifts his finger, he sees how long it takes for the skin to come back to its natural color. He says that is called the capillary refill response. When there is too much pressure (from too much saline having been added) the blood flow is compromised so the color stays pale too long. With an infection you can often still see the dent from the finger press, not just the color. So, so glad you are in good hands at last. Your skin looks good...really. Mine went from a lavender color to pink to red to scarlet red to purple to an eggplant purple as it was going through the death process. The IV Vancomycin saved a lot of the red and even some of the scarlet red skin. Yay Vanc! Keep us posted and keep your chin up. It's uphill from here.
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well guys looks like Iwill be joining the chemo crew. Just left my oncologist and he did because of my oncotype score and being BRCA2 positive he strongly recommended chemo. . Cytoxan and taxotere 4 rounds starting Nov 17. I cried but then realized this is to HELP me stay cancer free I know chemo comes with its own problems but living to see my babies grow up and getting old with my husband out weighs it all. Don't know how this will affect my reconstruction but I'll deal with it when it comes.
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Thanks for posting the pics MarieJune. I looked cellulitis up under .org search and I had no idea how much care is necessary to protect arm(s) after lymph node removal. Thanks so much for bringing it to our attention.
Thanks for the great poster and your great advice as usual Sandra. I showed poster to my husband and told him I should put it up for him. He has advanced Parkinsons and I'm like a broken record reminding him to keep his chin up to help his breathing, shoulder, back pain etc. I know that's the literal translation but I also like the reminder to keep a positive outlook!
So sorry enim20. It's not what you envisioned your journey would be but your positive outlook will carry you through this. Hugs to you!
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