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  • proudtospin
    proudtospin Member Posts: 5,972
    edited October 2014

    I so understand your comment, dang but I am 6 yrs out and my feet are still good only for short trips!  balance, well working on it and the other day someone at the gym said to me that I was walking better than a year ago!  gonna take it and keep on doing what I am doing!

  • elimar86861
    elimar86861 Member Posts: 7,416
    edited October 2014

    proudtospin, That really says something!  It must have been more than a minor improvement for someone to have noticed and commented.  We don't even realize our s-l-o-o-o-o-w healing day to day, but then one day we look back and can say, "I am a bit better than _______ (last month, last Spring, last year.)  

    Random CIPN story:  I really only had one harmful incident due to these feet.  Last Fall, I was numb to the point that when I went out for lunch, my foot fell asleep when I was sitting only, because of CIPN, I couldn't even tell it was asleep.  I went to stand and fell over into a wall, severely twisting and spraining my ankle (ligaments still twinge to this day.)  

    Related:  The other night, my foot fell asleep when I was sitting cross-legged too long.  Only this time when I got up, I could tell it was asleep, so no injury.  The funny thing is that as the blood returned, I had none of that pins and needles feeling.  Still not enough nerves to feel that, I guess.

  • proudtospin
    proudtospin Member Posts: 5,972
    edited October 2014

    eli,  I have had my feet fall asleep at times, actually I am sitting on sofa now with feet up.....they are sort of tingling~~

    I switched trainers at the gym recently (other guy got new job and had to stop PersonalT) and the new trainer gave me some very dif things to do.  Some I can do at home.  One is bouncing a big ball as she did an analysis and said it was more my coordination....dang if I do think that is helping! I always knew I could coordinate hand eye!

  • KittyDog
    KittyDog Member Posts: 1,079
    edited October 2014

    I was just fitted with a new foob by Amoena and I really like it.  However I tried a new one but I can't remember who made it that I really really loved but it wasn't being made in my size yet.  Light weight and felt so soft.  You could actually fold it in half.  Sure hope next time they have that one.

  • ktym
    ktym Member Posts: 2,637
    edited October 2014

    elimar I'm sorry you're having down days right now.  It does get to you sometimes more than others. 

    proudtospin, the bouncing ball is a new one, that is interesting

  • proudtospin
    proudtospin Member Posts: 5,972
    edited October 2014

    kmmd---yeah, the bouncing ball is crazy but helping me.  I meant that I had no hand eye coordination in the above...was a total failure at tennis or anything of that nature! 

    I have been known to hit my toe against the wall, never feel it and only realize it when the toe turns black!  dumbo here

  • MarieNJ
    MarieNJ Member Posts: 231
    edited October 2014

    Hi Everyone,

    This is my first on this forum.  I finished taxol on Aug 25.  I developed a funny sensation around my mouth around treatment #6.  Then the tingling started on to my fingers and feet around #9.  Weird enough, a funny sensation is on the top of my head and areas around my face which is most annoying.  I had seen a Dermatologist Oncol and he said it is most probably from the hair folicles.  I even have numbness in my upper abdomen.  I have numbness and/or tingling, but no pain - sometimes I get zingers in my feet, but nothing terrible.

    I had an MRI and CT scan of my brain which thank God, came back normal.

    My MO sent me to a neurologist oncol. which he said this is nothing new to taxol.  It is neuropathy.  He prescribed Lyrica. It mostly deals with nerve pain, but he said we will try it to calm the nerves down.  Taxol and other chemos over-react the nervous system and maybe the Lyrica will help.  He said "time" is on my side.  It should go away with "time".  He said maybe not 100%, but it should lessen.  He also disagreed with the Dermatologist about the sensation on the top of my head being from loss of hair and folicles.  He said we have a massive amount of nerves on the top of our head.  It is neuropathy. 

    Has anyone on this forum had any positive relief with time?  Anything you can share will be greatly appreciated.  Success stories??

    Marie

  • MinusTwo
    MinusTwo Member Posts: 16,634
    edited October 2014

    Marie:  If you page back through this thread you will see that most of us have had little improvement.  My neurologist said 70% get "better" w/in 2 years.  That usually won't mean ALL better but some better on a sliding scale.  "Lessen" is a positive word.  I'm one year out PFC.  Feet are numb & going up my calves.  Fingers are numb & I couldn't do up the zippers on my pants.  I refused to take any drugs for the time being since a) I wanted all the other poison out of my system so I could get a true reading, and b) although my feet are blocks of ice & I had balance problems, I didn't have much pain - just numb w/occasional tingling.  

    One year down the road:  fingers still numb but a little better than they were.  I can sometimes pick up pennies from a flat surface now.  Some fingernails still lifting from the Herceptin and pseudamonas infection under the nails and I think (I hope) the pain I have in my fingers is from that and not neuropathy.  Feet are still numb but some tingling in some toes some times.  The balls of my feet feel like iron when they hit a bare floor, like walking on pure bone, but that is some feeling anyway.  I'm aware of the numbness going up my calves so maybe that means it is improving.  I don't think my balance is any better but I have compensated.  I walk like my Dad when he was 90 (ugh - not pretty).

    My hat's off to all you ladies who have to live with constant pain. 

  • ktym
    ktym Member Posts: 2,637
    edited October 2014

    Marie if you're just starting with neuropathy please don't let what you read here scare you.  This is an unusual group that gets together to commiserate with each other.  Most people improve and the neuropathy is short lived.  I have friends who have gone through taxol based chemo more than once and never ended up with permanent neuropathy.  Usually the rule of thumb is what is left at two years is what you end up with but people will still heal during that time.  However a lot of people improve much more quickly.  Even of those of us with permanent neuropathy not everyone has painful neuropathy.  I certainly hope you are in the majority and the neuropathy is transient and you improve quickly after chemo!

  • proudtospin
    proudtospin Member Posts: 5,972
    edited October 2014

    I took the gab thing for a time but thought it just made me sleepy

    what benefit to you see in it?

  • MinusTwo
    MinusTwo Member Posts: 16,634
    edited October 2014

    I'd also be interested in what improvements you see with Gabapentin, Bosum  Also I'd be interested in hearing what benefits people have with Lyrica.  Thanks

  • MarieNJ
    MarieNJ Member Posts: 231
    edited October 2014

    Kmmd -

    Thank you.  I figured so much, but it does help to hear it from someone on the forum.  I don't know if it's my imagination, but it seems to be slightly improved.  I had an appointment with my primary medical doctor today and he said I am on the very lowest dose of Lyrica 50 mgs 2x daily.  It's almost like nothing. He thinks I would benefit from a higher dose.  I'll wait 2 weeks when I see the Neurologist and see what he recommends.

    Thank you again! 

    Marie

  • proudtospin
    proudtospin Member Posts: 5,972
    edited October 2014

    I took a very lo dose of the Gab for a leg pain that turned out to be SE of a dang statin, switched statin and the leg pain went away overnight

    yeah, too many meds now so will need to think on this a bit and may discuss with docs

  • MinusTwo
    MinusTwo Member Posts: 16,634
    edited October 2014

    I'm not taking any of the Neuropathy meds right now - or much of anything else except vitamins.  My goal is not to start taking anything new until I'm sure all the other poisons (oops, I mean blessings) are out of my system.  I'm ready for chocolate cake & red wine or pizza & beer, but I'll have to pass on the drinks for tonight since I had two margaritas at lunch.

  • MinusTwo
    MinusTwo Member Posts: 16,634
    edited October 2014

    Been there - I remember looking up that medical term on google.

  • proudtospin
    proudtospin Member Posts: 5,972
    edited October 2014

    I get it, a few months ago a pal invited me to dinner and proudly said she was making special steaks (think highly marbled~~) and I said gee I have not had a steak in 6 years since my diagnosis.  She was shocked but I never announced it, I just started to eat dif and steak, never been my thing anyway to the fatty thing was out.

    She was shocked as her family eats few veggies (I eat tons of greens and my bfast this morning is whole grain bread, spread with yogurt, a kale leaf and a slice of apple!).

    we just need to do what we can do, arthritis, yeah and really need my gym and pool!

    off to bfast!

    oh yeah, I am for the pizza and beer!  have not had that in a while and I live in NJ home of tons of pizza joints! 

  • elimar86861
    elimar86861 Member Posts: 7,416
    edited October 2014

    B-Blues, I don't think the B Vitamin is a placebo thing.  When I ran out and did not take it for a week or two, I seemed to be a bit worse as far as numbness and dead feeling.  Got a new bottle, better withing the next 1-2 days.  I take some kind of B daily, either my multi-Vit (which I don't take every day) or on other days just a B complex.

    My symptoms are like MinusTwo, but to a lesser degree.  I do think I am in the 70% who got some improvement, but I am still very far from "all better."

  • Tobycc
    Tobycc Member Posts: 789
    edited October 2014

    hoping I would not have to post here :)

    Question, or feedback ..... I have two treatments of 4. First time on day 5 after tx the bottom of both feet were in such pain.  I blamed it on neulesta

    Yesterday same thing. But now in hands. No tingling. Just severe pain. Opening and closing hands hurts as do bottom of feet. Sound like neuropathy ?  

  • MinusTwo
    MinusTwo Member Posts: 16,634
    edited October 2014

    Toby - could be that or Hand & Foot syndrome.  Give your doc a call & let him know.

  • pip57
    pip57 Member Posts: 12,401
    edited October 2014

    Tobycc...what you are experiencing is fairly typical for the taxatere chemos.   The pain also peaked around day 3 and 4 for me too. 

  • Tobycc
    Tobycc Member Posts: 789
    edited October 2014
  • proudtospin
    proudtospin Member Posts: 5,972
    edited October 2014

    definitely call to report to your doc and do not sugar coat your reactions!   This from some one who had a reaction this week, at the docs office to a steroid shot given for sinus polyps.  They had me on O2 and were yelling for epi pens!  All was fine but side effects should not be ignored

  • Tobycc
    Tobycc Member Posts: 789
    edited October 2014

    went for blood draw today. Nurse said it is a definite reaction. To the taxotere. Will be talking to MO about changing dose, etc

    I appreciate your feedback. Proud topspin that is awful!!!!  Glad you were at the docs office 

  • proudtospin
    proudtospin Member Posts: 5,972
    edited October 2014

    yeah, I am still feeling just a tad weird and realize it is the dang steroid!  they make me want to jump through the walls!

  • Tobycc
    Tobycc Member Posts: 789
    edited October 2014

    hopefully will get through your system quickly !

  • proudtospin
    proudtospin Member Posts: 5,972
    edited October 2014

    thanks, not the first time for the steroid reaction, dang but docs do not warn you and I only found out to be careful by doing google

    herb tea for me tonight. maybe my ginger tea~~

  • MinusTwo
    MinusTwo Member Posts: 16,634
    edited October 2014

    Bosum - yes I have ups & downs, but probably not that extreme. Sorry it's hit you so hard.  Someone who's lived w/it longer will probably have more info.

  • pip57
    pip57 Member Posts: 12,401
    edited November 2014

    If your arm is actually limp, I would get that checked out.  However, I certainly get tingling and even some numbing of the arms off and on.

  • ktym
    ktym Member Posts: 2,637
    edited November 2014

    I agree with PIP,  I would have that checked out.

  • proudtospin
    proudtospin Member Posts: 5,972
    edited November 2014

    BB--sorry you are feeling so bad and have leg issues.  I understand it but luckily I have been able to retire at 65 and collect SS.  Although I live a pretty lean life to save money. 

    I have found that when my arthritis or numbness starts that massaging my hands or feet, it helps!  I woke up with aches in my fingers but just massaged them for a time.  Have you tried that?

    I tried looking for a part time job when I first left my regular job, but so much requires standing on the feet for a day and I only make it a couple of hours!

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