The Truth about Cancer

juneping
juneping Member Posts: 1,594
edited May 2015 in Alternative Medicine

11 episodes, start tonight and will show each one every night. i read Chris beats Cancer and got the link from his FB page.

http://thetruthaboutcancer.com/live/episode1.php

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  • Leslienva
    Leslienva Member Posts: 489
    edited October 2014

    I'm watching the series. I questioned the stats on effectiveness of chemo, tho. I think they said 2 percent, which seemed really low. Otherwise, i think it's a great series. It amazes me how they're giving the same chemo treatments today as they did 20 years ago. I know there have been a lot of advances like herceptin, but overall, still no cure or treatment that doesn't poison us or give us bad side effects.i know chemo is standard of care, but it scares me to kill all those good cells along with the bad.

  • abigail48
    abigail48 Member Posts: 1,699
    edited October 2014

    they corrected that stat to 2.6

  • geewhiz
    geewhiz Member Posts: 1,439
    edited October 2014

    And don't you love the stat that 86% of oncologists questioned would not prescribe chemo for themselves or a loved one? I had read that before, but wowza.

  • juneping
    juneping Member Posts: 1,594
    edited October 2014

    yay pls get the convo going. 

    The 5 yr survival rate is 2% or 2.6 doesn't make much of a difference. It's still LOW. And I love the way they out it, tumor is just  a symptom. I hope the series will unveil bc I have my own suspicions. 

    It's quite sad that the whole health thing is driven by money. 

  • Nash54
    Nash54 Member Posts: 837
    edited October 2014

    Very interesting video.  Looking forward to watching the series.  With regard to the survival rate of 2.6% for chemo weren't they just referring to stage IV cancers?  

  • Janetanned
    Janetanned Member Posts: 532
    edited October 2014


    I know that this is a thread for alternative treatments, so I hope you don't mind me posting here.  I just wanted to point out that statistics stated above about oncologists taking chemo is simply not true.  If you do a little research you will find that is an often misrepresented study mentioned in Dr Susan Day's book.

    Several full-time scientsts at the McGill Center sent to 118 doctors, all experts on lung cancer, a questionnaire to determine the level of trust they had in the therapies they were applying; they were asked to imagine that they themselves had contracted the disease and which of the six current experimental therapies they would choose. 79 doctors answered, 64 of them said that they would not consent to undergo any treatment containing cis-platinum – one of the common chemotherapy drugs they used – while 58 out of 79 believed that all the experimental therapies above were not accepted because of the ineffectiveness and the elevated level of toxicity of chemotherapy.” (Philip Day, “Cancer: Why we’re still dying to know the truth”, Credence Publications, 20

    These drs were considering a particularly difficult chemo drug - cisplatin, which had many SEs.  The 58/79 drs were considering experimental drugs.  The question also pertained to the use of cisplatin as a palliative treatment for “symptomatic metastatic bone disease,” i.e. for incurable (non-small-cell) lung cancer. The 1985 survey found that about one-third of physicians and oncology nurses would have consented to chemotherapy in a situation like this.

    A more current study, which pertains not just to lung cancer, but to many kinds of cancer and cancer stages, from early stage to terminal, as well as to experimental therapies shows percentages as high as 98% of doctors willing to undergo chemotherapy, while the remaining 2 % were uncertain, and none answered “definitely no” or “probably no” to chemotherapy.

  • Leslienva
    Leslienva Member Posts: 489
    edited October 2014

    it seems that chemo works for most breast cancer patients. I had chemo in 2000 for a stage 2 cancer, but was recently diagnosed with a second primary on the same side as the first. But it's a different tumor, not a recurrence. So did chemo work or could it (or the radiation) caused the second tumor? Probably no way to know...

  • leggo
    leggo Member Posts: 3,293
    edited October 2014

    I think the point needs to be made that based on all the hype of early detection blah, blah, breast cancer SHOULD NOT reach the terminal stage....but it does, all the time. I suspect if those doctors were asked specifically about breast cancer, the answers would differ, in as much as they would differ when posed to a male or female onc who is well versed in the disease. Catching it early doesn't mean squat. I wish they'd admit that in all the propoganda. 


  • juneping
    juneping Member Posts: 1,594
    edited October 2014

    leggo - why it doesn't make a diff when catching it early? i thought at least our immune system can fight less harder to protect us??

  • leggo
    leggo Member Posts: 3,293
    edited October 2014

    I always have to give my head a shake when people think that chemos dispensed 30 years ago are going to suddenly start saving lives now. A quick read of the angels thread will certainly show that chemo is not as effective as they want us to think. I swear, sometimes the cancer agencies must think they're talking to morons.

  • leggo
    leggo Member Posts: 3,293
    edited October 2014

    Juneping....sorry I was typing before I read your post. We all know many women whose bc was caught early, who months or years later became Stage IV. You can see it all the time, just on this board alone. Breast cancer is a whole different ball game than the others.

  • Michele2013
    Michele2013 Member Posts: 350
    edited October 2014

    Well said Leggo, it's a crap shoot.

  • juneping
    juneping Member Posts: 1,594
    edited October 2014

    leggo - bc they kept saying chemo is much more diff than before that's why it's more effective. but the fact they don't get is chemo may be slightly diff than before but how it works has NOT been changed. and they just developed more drugs to make us feel better during the chemo tx. and the worst absolutely worst thing is that many ppl went thru it and advocate it is working. the next worst thing is those onc just kept pushing us to get chemo and threaten us if we don't do it, we are not responsible to our loved ones. i mean, how long have they been onc and how many patients they followed up and in remission for a long period of time and how many don't live in the pains of SE....it just seems for onc to see us breathing then they think they did the job.

  • leggo
    leggo Member Posts: 3,293
    edited October 2014

    And let's not forget some chemos are the same old, same old....with a fancy new name. When one onc told me chemo is soooo much better now because we know so much more about dosage and mitigating side-effects, I wanted to puke. 

    Edited to remove my sarcasm.

  • Momine
    Momine Member Posts: 7,859
    edited October 2014

    Both the stat about 2 or 2.6% "effectiveness" of chemo and the one about 86% of oncs not wanting chemo are old canards that are repeated endlessly on web sites. 

    The first one derives from one, small, badly designed study (as far as I remember). Besides, what is that even supposed to mean? Different situations would result in completely different numbers. 

    The second one has been amply explained above.

    Leggo, we completely agree that the whole "early detection" hype is giving people a very wrong impression of what the reality of breast cancer is.

  • abigail48
    abigail48 Member Posts: 1,699
    edited October 2014

    what do they mean by "worked"?  5 year survival?  In a dr google I finally had the nerve to read yesterday, he says these tumors are late stage.  So I was already "late stage" when I noticed the change, 7 months or sao before the red began.  from there I'm going on 4 years & 7 months.

  • motheroffoursons
    motheroffoursons Member Posts: 333
    edited October 2014

    Abigail, I still do not understand how you can classify yourself as "Late Stage" when you have never been seen by a doctor for even a simple biopsy.  Also, Dr. Google, whom I also read, is notoriously unreliable for treatment decisions.

  • abigail48
    abigail48 Member Posts: 1,699
    edited October 2014

    well that's good.  the site & photo of a nigerian woman was horrifying.  & horrifying of how they bullied her to have finally a radical mastectomy just to make her last days more comfortable (???).  my lesion has never gotten nearly as bad but I forget how long it was before she got medical attention.  someone asked here "if it smelled".  it outgassed once over a year ago when people were fleeying from me rappidly.  I as soon as I could got help from the pharmacist worker  (a long time acquaintance turned to friend)..she showed me the dressings & how to do it.  the first one had a tube of coloidal silver.  that was july of 2012.  I use menuka honey from new zealand, & various essential oils.  it gets a bit bad in that way after a day or so, but never like then.  & I keep at it.  not easy.  a hassle  takes about an hr a day  someone said it was now open enrollment.  so I tried to do the online thing again.  ended with a phone number as usual.  I actually used the number & the voice kept saying go online & you can do it by mail.  right.  so afte 20 minutes I wrote the us social security office.  will mail that one w.

  • juneping
    juneping Member Posts: 1,594
    edited October 2014

    here is episode #5 points...i got it via email from the site....

    very interesting....

    Here’s a few sections that I think you’ll love.

    1. @ 15:25 - learn the difference between left-spin and right-spin
    sugar molecules and which one feeds cancer cells and which one
    is healthy

    2. @ 53:10 - learn how seeds help defeat cancer by targeting cancer
    stem cells

    3. @ 57:00 - discover how this common emotion stimulates
    the immune system for 24 hours while another common emotion
    suppresses immunity for 6 hours

    #1 is just fascinating to me. cancer cells feed on right spin sugar and fruit sugars are left spin which doesn't feed cancer cells. per the doctor, it's his theory but that make sense. carrot is highly glycemic but it's main veggi for their juicing therapy.

    and i've always believed in #3....

  • EnELLE
    EnELLE Member Posts: 42
    edited October 2014

    JunePing - thanks for posting - I've been watching the series. They are very very insightful.

    We are all here very being brave and proactive with our health problems, but I think these people facing stage IV going through alternative therapies are the bravest of all.

    BTW - Like recommended several times in the series and by Chris (Wark) I started rebounding a couple of weeks ago after fat grafting surgery- LOVE IT! So easy- I wore a heart monitor and I burned 600 calories in 30 mins. - wasn't going crazy the whole time - just moderate activity. I cannot help but smile most of the time when I am bouncing. Does not aggravate old injuries, sprains etc.

  • Lily55
    Lily55 Member Posts: 3,534
    edited October 2014

    what equipment is needed for rebounding?

  • juneping
    juneping Member Posts: 1,594
    edited October 2014

    lily - a rebounder. The price range is crazy. I got one is on the high end it is 500 bucks. But I guess I'll use it all the time. 

    I got the Bellicon...excellent customer service. 

  • juneping
    juneping Member Posts: 1,594
    edited October 2014

    episode 8

    Laetrile - there's a lab test back in the 50s and its positive. But the summery said the opposite. No one read the report. The same doctor who conducted the test was the same one said tobacco doesn't cause lung cancer. many seeds have cyanide in them and they do kill off cancer cells. and so far i haven't heard anybody poisoned from eating seeds.

    cancer cells have a layer of protein which is -ve in the electrostatic
    field. And the enzyme from the pancreas always digest protein aka
    meat. So the less the meat we eat the more freedom we gave them to
    polish off the protein on top of the cancer cells. So that's why plant
    based diet works. The cancer cells are actually +ve...so the white blood cells recognize the enemy and kill them off.

    there was a famous actor in the 60s Steve McQueen? Who had
    cancer (something to do with asbestos bc he loved motor bikes and he's a great mechanic) and he was stage 4 and went to doctor Kelley. Who was
    able to heal him but he was advised (not by Kelley) to have surgery and died from
    bleeding. The the news reported dr Kelley killed him. It's not true. I
    don't know why he went and had the surgery.....

  • juneping
    juneping Member Posts: 1,594
    edited October 2014

    cancer cells have a layer of protein which is -ve in the electrostatic field. And the secrement from the pancreas always digest protein aka meat. So the less the meat we eat the more freedom we gave them to polish off the protein on top of the camcer cells. So that's why plant based diet works. The cancer cells are actually +ve.

  • juneping
    juneping Member Posts: 1,594
    edited October 2014

    there was a famous actor in the 60s Steven something? Who had pancreatic cancer and he was stage 4 and went to doctor Kelley or Kelly. Who was able to heal him but he was advised to have surgery and died from bleeding. The the news reported dr Kelley killed him. It's not true. I don't know why he went and had the surgery.....

  • juneping
    juneping Member Posts: 1,594
    edited October 2014

    while i was researching Dr Kelley...i found this link....

    it's very unsettling...consider yourself warned.

    http://educate-yourself.org/cn/2001/bioweaponscancerwars01oct01.shtml

  • exbrnxgrl
    exbrnxgrl Member Posts: 12,424
    edited October 2014

    juneping,

    I think you are referring to Steve McQueen. I doubt any of us will ever know the exact details of his tx and subsequent death. McQueen had mesothelioma. After his tx in Mexico, he returned to the US, decidedly not cured, with a large tumor in his abdomen and another in his neck. His conventional doctors refused to operate. McQueen found a doctor in Mexico who agreed to operate. He died of heart failure less than 24 hours after the ill advised surgery. 

    As I said, it's doubtful we'll know the facts surrounding his death but most sources report that he was not cured after his tx in Mexico (including his wife) and that doctors in the US refused to operate, but McQueen found a doc in Mexico who would. A sad story regardless.

  • juneping
    juneping Member Posts: 1,594
    edited October 2014

    in the interview the doctor who is in nyc said he had the med record in his office.  And he did offer the details of his tx etc.....We can choose to believe. That detail fact or not is not affecting my believe in the incompetence of the modern medical field. It's driven by money. 

    Has anyone thought about the irony of how FDA warn the general public raw milk is not safe and chemo and GMO are safe??!! 

  • exbrnxgrl
    exbrnxgrl Member Posts: 12,424
    edited October 2014

    McQueen spent the bulk of his tx money on alternative tx.. No amount of money would convince conventional docs to operate on him. He went back to Mexico (different facility than the first time) for the surgery. That being said, yes, the profits made by pharmaceutical companies and many medical establishments is excessive.

    PS: shame on any doctor who would publicly divulge confidential medical records or even imply certain info based on his knowledge of those records.

  • juneping
    juneping Member Posts: 1,594
    edited October 2014

    did you watch the episode???

    what the doc said was pretty much common knowledge and he was defending dr Kelley....

    Even if what he did wasn't ethical but its much better using threatening tactic to force their patients to use chemo. 

    Good night 

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