Reconstruction after RADIATION

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  • Superbody
    Superbody Member Posts: 17
    edited September 2014


    Hi BayouBabe and others who've had fat grafting! I'm rather new to this forum but am looking for women who've had fat grafting prior to their exchange surgery. My PS won't do it before putting in my implants but I read new research that it is helpful if you've had radiation.

    Since I want to reduce future complications (i.e. capsular contracture, etc.) I'd like to hear women's opinion on fat grafting before their implant surgery, and if you found it has helped with tightness caused by radiation and if you had no complications post-surgery.

    Would love to hear your stories! Please private email me with names of doctors so I can find one hopefully close to me in the Kansas City area. Many thanks!!

  • patriciahurtado
    patriciahurtado Member Posts: 489
    edited September 2014

    hello my ladies no fat grafting here for now been getting fills. I'm up to 300 cc. I didn't hurt the first 4 times but last fill did hurt so much on the side of my chest around my rib . He said he would like 120cc more. But I ready don't care for it I just want some type of boobs. So far my skin has been holding up. Just wanted to update you

  • patriciahurtado
    patriciahurtado Member Posts: 489
    edited September 2014

    Everyone please keep on posting to see final result for other sisters t

  • smrlvr
    smrlvr Member Posts: 422
    edited September 2014

    Patricia, are you saying you had TEs with no fat grafting and things are working well?  I have seen 2 plastic surgeons who can't make me any promises with the radiated skin.  I don't want to be too big, just a B cup.  I really don't want any flap surgery, so I need the tissue expanders to work.  How much radiation did you have?

  • babs6287
    babs6287 Member Posts: 2,021
    edited September 2014

    smlvr- I had infections during the fills and had to have my left TE removed (radiated side).  So, next we tried FG.  After the first FG, I got another infection.  But, after the second FG all was good.  The PS and I think the first FG greatly improved the integrity of the skin on the left.  I am a big fan of the FG!!!!!

    I am due for my exchange on Oct 17-at which time the right will be an exchange with a lift and the left will be direct to a VERY SMALL implant.  I don't want to try TE's again.  We're hoping this works- no guarantees!!!  I am ok with asymmetry.  You can PM me-I also live in NY

    Babs

  • patriciahurtado
    patriciahurtado Member Posts: 489
    edited September 2014

    I know it's weird how PS  will not Do any TE on radiated skin but I did so much research and had seen 9 ps and I had to make decisions and I like this PS. I had 28 sessions  and my skin has cleared a lot and he also said that it looks good. So I'm willing to take a chance and see wt happens I'm not in a rush and this Friday I get 60cc  and will see after that.  I'm just hoping this will work. All I know is that he will fill my lefty too to even with my righty I took some pictures... It sounds so promising but I can just hope... I will continue to post . My PS dosent really trust FG but I wish He would cause I been reading so much here.  I don't even want  B just small A will do. I was a C before so boobs are not big deal but some would look nice ... I was wondering how everyone else is doing

  • babs6287
    babs6287 Member Posts: 2,021
    edited September 2014

    I had 350 on rt and down to 0 on left. But FG gave me some upper pole fullness on the left so in clothes with a prosthesis I look " normal". No longer concave.  We'll see what happens with the exchange  and mastopexy on the rt and direct to a very small implant on the left. Fingers crossed!!!!!

    Babs

  • Toastiecat
    Toastiecat Member Posts: 132
    edited September 2014

    I just had my second FG today, and am feeling pretty good. The first one was a very tiny test run in July -- PS was worried about infection, since I get them left and right, but all went well. Every was amazed at how much the fat helped the skin. I feel really good about this process!

    I heard about a clinical trial for a new type of TE -- instead of getting fills once a week or so from the PS, the patient has a little device that controls it, allowing her to pump in a small amount a few times a day. I'm going to do more research on this. It sounds really gentle in comparison!

  • quiltrunner
    quiltrunner Member Posts: 101
    edited September 2014

    I had 2 FG months before TE because research is showing good evidence that the stem cells from the fat improves integrity of radiated skin and tissue on a cellular level.  I had my last FG 4 months prior to TE and my last fill is this next Friday.  At my last appointment for a fill my PS visually he could not tell the radiated skin from the non-radiated skin.  If I remember correctly I had 32 rad treatments (30 + 2 boosts).  That was just last year and I thought I would remember everything about the whole chemo / rads thing and in some ways that seems like so long ago.  That's a good thing!!! i hope to have my exchange in about 6 weeks.  About 15 months ago I was so incredibly depressed with everyone  telling me statistically the chances of a successful recon without flaps was pretty small.  Needless to say, I'm a HUGE fat graft fan.  

    Keep in mind there are limits to how much can be expanded on radiated skin.  Prior to BC I was a D-DD.  I will be grateful for a small C now.  I'm at 360 cc now and my PS thinks going too much bigger will be pushing the envelope.  

    In my opinion and experience FG well in advance of expander surgery is the BOMB.  Takes a lot of patience and being tolerable of being uncomfortable (sometimes even pretty significant pain) and physical restrictions for several months.  You have to decide for yourself if it's worth it or not.  Soooo worth it for me!  

    Good luck figuring out if the process is a good fit for you or not.  

  • sciencegal
    sciencegal Member Posts: 1,120
    edited October 2014

    I just had the nip graft on the radiated side last Friday but we waited a year, because my surgeon was so worried about the radiated skin healing. I had a huge tumor (9cms) and aggressive Her2+ phenotype, spread to 75% of nodes, so I got full on chemo and wide-field radiation. It made sense to wait.

    Interestingly I was able to push and get the TE echanged for a permanent implant BEFORE the radiation, so that has all healed up well now and the skin on the rads side felt fine when I had my latest pre-op, but there can still be microscopic damage we can't assess.

    So far the tip of the graft that I can see looks pink and decent, I go for the unveling in a few hours. We shall see, fingers crossed.

    My PS wont do the fat graftng until I am five years NED (if I make it that long) since cells in the fat can help microscopic tumors grow. I think that is why some offices and docs don't offer it to breast cancer patients. Not to be controversial, just repeating what I had heard. I have a divet and he can maybe fill it in four more years....

  • Lily55
    Lily55 Member Posts: 3,534
    edited October 2014

    can you ask your surgeon for the research info on fat cells helping micro tumours to grow please?

  • patriciahurtado
    patriciahurtado Member Posts: 489
    edited October 2014

    I will have my TE  fill tomorrow for my right and side .. So nervous.. I keep you guys post..

  • Michele2013
    Michele2013 Member Posts: 350
    edited October 2014

    So happy to hear this Patricia! Yes keep us posted. Don't be nervous, just think how far you have come.

    You are a Warrior!!!!!!!

  • Bcnonsense
    Bcnonsense Member Posts: 8
    edited October 2014

    question- when you refer to fat grafting you have had on irradiated tissue, is the fat being treated or processed in a way to generate a higher concentration of stem cells in the fat that is being transferred, or is the fat processed in the more "traditional" way that's used for lipofilling? I'm not sure if there is a special process the fat has to go through for the grafting to have a healing effect on the irradiated tissue.  

  • Miscraw
    Miscraw Member Posts: 45
    edited October 2014

    HELP ladies!!!! I had BMX on August 1, with TE's placed at that time. I was originally told no chemo or radiation. I have been having fills of the TE & am up to 500 cc's. My plastic surgeon and I have been VERY happy with the expansion & they look great. Well, my MO decided I should do Taxol/Hereptin which would put my exchange on hold. That sucked, but I was fine with it. I knew after chemo, I would be getting my new boobies!

    Well...fast forward to last Tuesday when all of the sudden they are discussing radiation. It had been ruled out weeks & weeks ago. I am seeking a second opinion next week. I have already met with my plastic surgeon who is very upset as this changes everything. In her words, radiated tissue is the devil in her line of work. She did mention fat grafting & some other options, but in the end she can't guarantee that my body will be able to take an implant even though I'm basically done with expansion. Has anyone gone through this? I am thin & was told I would not be a candidate for any type of flap procedure. Implants were my only option.  I am only 39, spend a lot of time at the pool with my kids & honestly my cosmetic outcome is very important to me.

  • Lily55
    Lily55 Member Posts: 3,534
    edited October 2014

    no special process is required for fat transfer to help irradiated tissue, it has helped me a lot.  Even my very sceptical physio agrees it has had a very beneficial effect

  • BayouBabe
    BayouBabe Member Posts: 2,221
    edited October 2014

    Miscraw - check into overfilling just the side getting rads prior to starting.  This allows for some hardening/shrinkage that rads can cause.  It will help insure a more "even set" when you have your final exchange surgery.

  • Sam2013
    Sam2013 Member Posts: 7
    edited October 2014

    Hello, 

    Radiation before or after surgery? Immediate or delayed reconstruction? feeling lost.

    I don't have much skin or fat to
    spare, and I really don't want further surgery. I need to have radiation, I was hoping to have an immediate
    reconstruction with expanders and an exchange later on.

    The surgeon said that I should wait for at least one year
    for reconstruction, because radiation affects the skin, otherwise, I will be
    running to issues. If you ask me, all the options presented to me have risks and issues.

    I will be meeting with a PS for a second opinion, but I read
    that Oxygen therapy may help, I am reading more about it. Anyone familiar with it?

    Thank you

  • bethany66
    bethany66 Member Posts: 12
    edited October 2014

    I am 48 years old and long past surgery and radiation.  I had my last rads in April of 2007.  I had two lumps removed that left me with a partial left breast that I disguise with a prothestic.  I decided last summer I was tired of the prosthetic and visited the PS only to be told the best he could do is reduce the unaltered breast to be the approximate size of the other because of the tissue left behind from radiation.  I didn't like that answer and asked for a second opinion.  The next doctor suggested that he could do a transflap, which is extensive or reduce the unaltered as the first doctor said.  I left feeling very dejected and wondering if I had been right to believe that I should wait to have the breast constructed again.  I would love to travel away from my tiny little area to see a doctor who specializes in breast cancer reconstruction and not just cosmetic surgery, but I cannot afford to do so.  

    I thought I made a really well informed decision to put off reconstruction and focus on SURVIVING, but now I wonder if I really did have the strength to do both and I should have had more faith in myself.

  • cakes
    cakes Member Posts: 157
    edited October 2014

    Sam2013,

    I had Oxygen therapy also know as HBO therapy. I am a big fan of it and it is covered by insurance. I was to have 30 tx but ended up having only 25 due to an issue with allergies and my ears. My radiated skin is soft and the color is good due to the HBO. I am scheduled for fat grafting, to be done in Dec, with the hope of pushing the scar tissue out as it puckers. It may take 2-3 grafts to be down at 6 month intervals. Once we are done with the left side, we will address the right breast (non-cancer breast) so they are the same size, etc. Please search this site as I have posted other info on HBO and I am happy to share my experiences with you if you wish. 

    Cakes

  • sciencegal
    sciencegal Member Posts: 1,120
    edited October 2014

    Hi Miscraw- see if they will do your exchange to a permanent implant ASAP and let it heal for a couple of weeks before you start radiation. You should be filled enough by now to accomodate the exchange/implant. Talk to your plastic surgeon- he or she will be your best advocate. 

    Otherwise you might have those expanders for a year while your skin heals up from radiation and that is way too long.

    You have the right to delay radiation for a month. it is your choice.

    I did it that way and am thrilled with the results- just got my final revision and lift on the other side. All good.

    GOOD LUCK!!!

  • dishlady
    dishlady Member Posts: 4
    edited October 2014

    Hi ladies, this is my first post to this website, but I am not a stranger to it. I have been doing alot of research on my situation and have gotten alot of my questions answered and info to ask my ps. I was dx in 2009 with dcis and then pleomorphic lcis after path report came back. There was some discussion about whether or not to have radiation, and it was decided that was the best route. After 33 days and some more dicussion about continued treatment, I was prescribed Evista. 

    Now 4 years later , my mamo showed calcifications, thus a steriotactic biopsy and a new dx of the same pleomorpfic lcis in the same breast. Needless to say radiation was not an option this time.

    So after many discussions with my PS, BS, Oncologist, my husband, who has been my rock through this, and my own research

     on this and many other sites, I decided to have a bilateral masectomy. It was on 9/15/2014 with TE's. 120cc fill in each at time of surgery. I have had healing and drainage (drains were in for 12 days) problems with the breast that had the radiation. The skin is really tight and it feels like there is an elephant sitting on my chest but I know that feeling will soon go away. My ps says another couple of fills of 60cc should do it and bring the total to 600cc. We have not gone over the inplants in detail yet. I am hoping to get this whole process over by the end of the year. Other than not being able to sleep on my side for 3 weeks( I am a side/stomach) sleeper, I have not had to much pain except while I was in the hospital and have to take some aleve and sleep aid at night but other than that I have been pretty good with that. My ps says to keep massaging the left breast and use a heating pad to relax the muscle. It seems to help somewhat.

    Now this whole process will soon be over but the healing, phyically and mentally, will  continue for many months. Thanks for all the posts and sharing your experiences with us. 

  • Moderators
    Moderators Member Posts: 25,912
    edited October 2014

    Hi dishlady, and welcome to this wonderful community! We're sorry you have to go through all this, but glad you found us and decided to share your story with everybody here. Please keep us posted on how everything is going. 

    Wishing you all the best with your recovery,

    The Mods

  • babs6287
    babs6287 Member Posts: 2,021
    edited October 2014

    Miscraw

    I had radiation which caused me to lose my left TE-the radiated skin kept getting infections.  My PS decided to do fat grafting on my left to help the radiated skin since I was not a candidate for any flap other than a LD which I didn't want to do.  After 2 FG the integrity of my skin changed dramatically and he just did an implant (although a small one) on my left.  The FG really worked wonders.  So there are other options out there!  Don't give up!!!!!!!

    Babs

  • BayouBabe
    BayouBabe Member Posts: 2,221
    edited October 2014

    dishlady - be sure to check into the fat grafting BEFORE your exchange surgery.  Many of us rads girls swear by the results it brings to healing rads tissues.  Good luck and hope you find relief from the tightness soon.  TE are definitely not comfortable.  Hang in there!

  • dishlady
    dishlady Member Posts: 4
    edited October 2014

    BayouBabe

    Thanks for that info, my ps has not mentioned that yet but I will ask her about it next week when I go for another fill. Is the fat grafting done during the exhange? And is it only on the rad side? 

    The fills have not been to bad, just that tight feeling when I leave but will get through it. My fills have been 60cc everytime. Glad it wasnt more, lol. The rad side is still quite tight, but massage it when I watch tv. I will keep you informed as to what my ps says. Thanks for the response.

  • BayouBabe
    BayouBabe Member Posts: 2,221
    edited October 2014

    dishlady - my PS did the fat grafting at the same time as my exchange.  However, I know from my support group that other PS like to do it first, then do exchange surgery months later.  I had fat grafting twice - once at exchange, second during a revision.  Both sides had fat grafted (this also helps fill in slope above implants, surrounds implants with your own fat, and repairs rads damage.). Very glad I had it done!  My rads side is now almost indistinguishable from my other side.  Makes me happy and makes me smile when I pass a mirror before or after a shower!

  • Miscraw
    Miscraw Member Posts: 45
    edited October 2014

    So, if you did flat grafting BEFORE exchange surgery, how does that work? Do they just inject it in the area between your skin & your expander? I spoke with my PS & she was all for fat grafting before & after. I just didn't think to ask how it works.

  • BayouBabe
    BayouBabe Member Posts: 2,221
    edited October 2014

    TE sit under your pec muscles.  So the fat grafts are placed under your skin, over the muscle.  I think this is usually done before exchange if you have problems with the integrity of your skin after rads or have healing issues.  The hope is that the stem cells repair the damage, making the exchange go easier with fewer complications.

  • babs6287
    babs6287 Member Posts: 2,021
    edited October 2014

    Bayou Babe- you said it right- and it worked for me!  It greatly improved the integrity of my skin!

    Babs

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