September 2014 Surgery Sisters
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Mariejune - you should not be doing any exercises without your PS telling you it is okay - especially in light of the issues you are having. You having internal healing going on and you have no nerves in those areas so you cannot tell that you are causing damage with the movement. Right now you should be using your arms like a T-rex - meaning keep them close to your side and minimal moverment. I was not allowed to do any exercises for over 2 weeks and then it was just tiny slow movements.
Smitty - it does get better and one day you will be here telling someone else that like I am now and the pain will be a distant memory.
I lovecoasters - chemo is scary - but again you will get through it. The first time I went to the cancer center and saw the chemo chairs is when I cried the hardest - right there, right then - the nurse taking my blood didn't know what to do. That fear went away and was replaced with dread of the next treatment. However, please know that everyone is different and some have very minor SE's from chemo and get through it fine. I never once was nauseated - they gave me great drugs to prevent that. I had other issues but my biggest fear was nausea in the beginning and that never came. Just take it one day at a time.
People do say some pretty dumb things to us when they find out we have BC. Forgive them - they just don't know what to say and are looking for ways to make us feel better. Unless you have been there you just can't know or understand - so just smile and walk away. If they are close family or friends - explain it to them - tell them that although you know they mean well that what they just said is painful. ALSO - it is important to let your family and friends know that it is OK for you to be sad and mad - it is normal and they need to allow you to have those emotions. We are grieving - we have lost someone and it is the old us.
Also - anyone is welcome to add me on FB - Linda Schaner - picture is me without much hair LOL.
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Smitty333, I am 2 1/2 weeks out from surgery. I had a really tough time managing my pain! I came home on day two and was moving better then than I was at one week home. Everyone reacts differently to pain meds. Percoset makes me violently ill (was NOT fun after my lumpectomy!) but I tolerate hydrocodone very well. I'm moving ok now, but I still have my drains in (only two) and I really think they are my problem. One is ready to come out tomorrow, the other will come out in Weds because its at its time limit. When I wake up in the morning I still have a hard time moving and feel like my chest is on fire. I'm supposed to have my first fill on Weds. There is no way. I'm going tell my PS to just pull that last drain and give me a week of "nothing" before she does my first fill. I hope she's agreeable to that! 2 1/2 weeks out and I'm still taking pain meds. Once first thing in the morning, then again before I go to bed so I can sleep longer. Otherwise I'm up every 90 minutes or so.
Ilovecoasters, chemo was far easier for me than this surgery has been, and I had all of the worst side effects! I was on Taxotere and Cytoxin once every 21 days. I would have 10 days of feeling like crap, then 10 days when I felt AMAZING, even better than before chemo! It was mostly predictable. I'm super glad I chose to get a port, because I ended up needing extra fluids twice after every chemo treatment. For my BMX the port was in the surgical field so they couldn't use it, but I am really difficult to get an IV line so they used the port to give me some drugs to chill out so they could dig around for another vein for an IV and I didn't care. LOL
MarieJune, keep using that puffer thing. My surgery was 6 1/2 hours long, and I coughed up some horrible thick (sometimes solid chunks) green stuff. That puffer helps you inflate your lungs all the way, get you coughing and moving all that junk out!
As for me, one drain has needed to come out since Friday. Hoping I can get in tomorrow to have it pulled. Of course, its not the one that is driving me insane! The one that really hurts still has too much output to be pulled. I have an appointment on Weds and am told that drain will come out that day no matter what because I'll be at 3 weeks at that point, and that's about the limit. The whole sleeping on back back all the time thing is killing me! I am so still in the morning so my chest is on fire when I try to move. I always end up taking a pain pill so I can get on with my day. The rest of the day I can get by with tylenol or ibuprofen, and then a take a pain pill again at night before I go to bed. One nipple, the top half turned black. It is now all crusted over and starting to fall off. My surgeon says this is still normal. However I have a lot of edema behind it, which is a problem and could be why I'm still having trouble with pain and draining on that side. When I go back on Weds we'll decide if I keep my nipples or not. I don't really care at this point, I just don't want to have to deal with drains again!!!
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Coming home from the hospital I was told I needed to be up and moving a minimum of 30 minutes per day. (moving about the house, etc) Stretching to keep my range of motion (reaching for things, doing my range of motion exercises, but stopping if it hurts.) I already had a lot of cording after my LMX back in April so we knew this would be a problem after this surgery. Already, even with stretching, I am loosing range of motion and can now feel the cording on my other side, all the way down to my elbow. Still, I agree that with the troubles you've been having you need to get cleared by your PS to be doing the kind of movement you've been doing.
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Noonrider,
Thank you for your calm and reassuring words. I don't know why I am just so afraid. II am worried about the outside kind of side effects. My job requires me to be able to think quickly on my feet, be a problem solver, and support 17 schools and hundreds of staff. I don't want to appear weak. I don't want my appearance to worry others. I know it will also significantly slow down reconstruction. My PS said if I need chemo and radiation it could be 12-18 months before the exchange. I am already financially buried. With January 1 not so far away, my insurance resets as do my maximum out of pocket costs. I'm already $6k deep in bills. I know it's only money and you can't put a price on life, but if every cent you have is going towards medical bills, what kind of living are you doing. As you can see, I'm mush internally
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I have been in education for 25 years. Well…ok technically I quit 10 years ago. I never wore a hat or head covering during chemo while I was in my kids' schools. One of their ESY teachers was also going through chemo and never wore anything on her head either. Your students and co-workers will only be worried about your appearance if YOU are worried about it. When I was in my kids' schools (I have 5 kids with Down syndrome, I'm at school all.the.time. ) kids would ask their teachers, "Why does Asher's mom not have hair?" The teachers would stumble with their answers. I always jumped in, matter of fact with an "its not a big deal" tone of voice. "I have to take medicine to make me well. Sometimes that medicine makes your hair fall out. Not a big deal though. It'll grow back in a few months." You know kids, they just need a quick explanation and they're all good!
As far as clear thinking, there were certainly days when chemo brain was a problem for me! It was the worst on days 1-5 of treatment. I had my treatments on Thursdays which would be day 1 of the course. I was "up" on steroids for days 1-4, then would crash on Monday-Weds when I had my worst days. I was honest with people, "I'm sorry. I'm really very foggy at the moment. Can you give me a few minutes? I set an auto reply to my email telling people to expect 2-3 days for a response. I started a new file in the email inbox "too foggy". These were emails that I read but was too foggy to really understand them or to give a coherent answer. I would move them to that 'foggy" file, knowing in a day or two I could respond better. If you are up front with your coworkers, they are much less likely to question your ability to do your job. Chemo brain is usually temporary. I'm now two months out from my last treatment and I'm clear headed most of the time now! I do have some occasional problems with word retrieval. When this happens (like in the middle of an IEP meeting a couple weeks ago) I just say, "I'm sorry. I sometimes have trouble finding the words I need, but here's what I'm trying to explain…" Everyone is very understanding.
I have a blog post up about telling my kids I have cancer.
I get it about the financial fears! I have been extremely lucky and have not needed to worry about my medical bills. Are you aware of care credit? It is a loan specifically for medical care. It may be easier for you to just have to make one payment one one loan then trying to keep track of everything. Just a thought. Hugs to you, and hang in there!
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I can't believe how different all of our Dr.s are with the Do's and Don't's. My surgeon said not to reach or stretch exercises at all until the drains come out. She said it could cause more harm than good. It is crazy how the Dr.s are all over the board on this and everything else in this journey..why is there no consistency?!
Noonrider, do you sleep propped up? I did but if I slipped down in the middle of the night so I was laying flat, I could hardly move in the morning. My chest hurt so much. I had to be almost sitting up to sleep well. I finally was able to sleep on my side at about 6 weeks.
Positive Thoughts and prayers to all of you recovering from your MX..
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I sleep either in my recliner or on my bed. If I'm on the bed I'm propped to semi-sitting, plus pillows under my knees. I usually switch sleeping sites about 1/2 way through the night.
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MarieJune, I looked high and low for the Burts Bees lip balm in the thin silver container but couldn't find it anywhere, all I saw was the one in the tube it says 100% natural beeswax lip balm with Vitamin E and peppermint. Is this what you had just a different container?
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I am 16 days post-UMX. I was definitely counseled on the risks of frozen shoulder and specifically cautioned against doing too little with my arms. My BS told me not to be afraid to do this, and that her patients that do so tend to bounce back from surgery more quickly, are less painful overall, and are off pain meds sooner. There could be a bit of circular reasoning here, of course, as those women who experience less pain in general will also move around more and get off the meds sooner. But my discharge notes specifically advised me to try to use the arm for normal things like hair washing, very slow and gentle stretching, occasional non-strenuous reaching, etc. but to be sensible about it and not do anything that causes immediate or delayed worsening of pain. A bit of Googling led me to the American Cancer Society's recommendations for post-op exercises and I was comfortable following those guidelines without specifically checking in with my PS. To be honest, I have tweaked myself worse levering myself out of bed in the morning than I have with any of these exercises - the worst pain has been the morning "burn" as I slowly haul myself from horizontal to vertical and everything shifts downward. It is possible that absolute T-rex immobility may indeed be the ideal thing for the boob reconstruction or healing of the pocket, but there is loads of evidence that light use/stretching is beneficial so I think a more holistic view is warranted. From my perspective, the consequences of short- or long-term arm/shoulder dysfunction are infinitely scarier than the possibility of having to keep my drains in a bit longer, or something. I believe some early movement also helps to reduce the risk of lymphedema, though I haven't reviewed that literature specifically.
Despite being pretty mobile with no significant baseline pain or arm mobility issues, I am suffering an annoying type of discomfort that I haven't seen many people write about. The MX boob needs support to remain comfortable while walking, as any degree of bounce drives the lower edge of the TE painfully into the bottom edge of the breast. But of course there is NO kind of bra, camisole or other support system that does a good job of this without creating new pain/discomfort by pressing on the incisions in my IMF, or along the tender upper edge of the TE that is right beneath the skin of the upper pole of my breast (my TE is over the pec muscle at the moment). I have probably spent more $$ on bras and such in the past week than in the past 20 years of my life! Catch 22, and I find myself unconsciously addressing this need for more support by lifting/tensing my right shoulder and arm to pull that lower edge of the TE upward and provide some breast support from above. Or tuck the arm under the boob to provide a bit more support. Done full-time, however, my trapezius muscle gets crampy and all of the muscles of my shoulder and upper arm get ultra-fatigued and shaky. It is driving me crazy because I am otherwise totally recovered enough to resume a bunch of computer work-work that I need to get done, yet this noodle-arm thing prevents me doing so. It is weird and unexpected and I feel silly complaining about this when so many of you are in actual serious PAIN. Mid-week I am getting some or all of the air pulled out of the TE and some saline put in, so I'm hoping this will help to shift the TE in a way that its lower edge becomes more comfortable and I can better tolerate some kind of bra/support system that will allow my arm a rest. I still have 1 drain in, so I suppose it's possible that it's the drain cutting into me rather than the TE. Don't think so, though.
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enlm20: It IS a very sad situation! Hugs to you from across the ether.
Before surgery I was told several times that the pre-surgical period is the most difficult time from an emotional perspective, and for me that was true. I am glad to read that you are married with children and have their love and support during this process. I have been very grateful for the support of my husband and my heart goes out to the single women going through this alone, especially those who don't happen to have close friends or family to lean on.
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I'm 19 days post surgery and I'm happy to say the worst is over. The first couple of weeks were tough, but as others have told me, I'm now telling you - it DOES get better. I was scared that the discomfort and tightness of the tissue expanders would be too much for me to handle for however many months it would take. But after my first fill, it got better. It's still uncomfortable and there are twinges of pain now and then, but it's much more tolerable now. My mom went home last week so I'm on my own again. It's been good for me to make my own breakfast, go out with friends, run my own errands. I've decided I'm tired of waiting to live my life so I'm doing what I want to do, within reason.
The only downside is that I still have two drainage tubes and my output hasn't decreased. Tuesday will be the 3-week mark and I don't think the surgeon will leave them in beyond that, regardless of the output. I'm planning to go back to work tomorrow. The only think I'm nervous about is finding an outfit that will adequately hide the tubes and working out something with a bra and something to stuff it with so as not to draw attention to the fact that I suddenly don't have boobs.
One day at a time. One milestone at a time.
P.S. Flannery, there are pros and cons to going through treatment as a single woman. For example, I don't have kids to worry about. That's a pro. But, for the most part, I've had to work, do treatment, and still do the household chores (laundry, groceries, vacuum). Some days it was just too much to be on my own, but other days I was glad that I had the apartment to myself and I could have a meltdown whenever I wanted. Family and friends are always willing to help, but I've always been very independent.
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thank you Mischief.
I had an X-Ray & though they heard wheezes and crackles, lungs looked clear.....told to keep "coughing" while holding a pillow to my chest to ease the pain, along with breathing into the little apparatus they give upon discharge.
PS visit tomorrow. Let's pray 2/4 drains get removed? Fingers crossed. The holes to the drains (where incisions are to skin) are SOOOOO tender! Have a couple sutures poking through surgical glue (holding mastectomy incision closed). Will ask her to cut it somehow, so when I put bandages & binder on, they "feel" better and not poke me.
I'm feeling good. Taking pain meds (nowhere NEAR ready to space them out to 5-6 hours yet though) still every 4, and after 3 1/2, I know it's time because I get horrible pains..... But, one thing I noticed is sharp pains that are on my sides. Maybe tissue expanders? I know they inflate them in surgery & then deflate.... I'm just glad I DID it! Wouldn't change a thing.
thanking God for my good attitude, my laughter, my kids, the fun times I've had while resting (finding new ways with my family to have "fun") lol. I'm one lucky woman! I would NEVER go back & not have this done. Each day gets better.
To the ones going in: YOU CAN DO THIS! My prayers are with you. Xoxo. Rapid recovery dust, and take your pain meds on time, allow people to help you, and take it easy. God bless each of you. (((((Hugs))))
Marie J Mello
(Marie Mello on FB. From Westfield Ma if you would like to find me)
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Jbdayton: 9/29 Revision Fat Grafting (Right) :::BEST WISHES & *~*~*Rapid a Recovery Dust*~*~* I pray you have an excellent outcome & are pleased with your results. God Bless (((((hugs))))
enlm20: 9/29 BMX w/ Reconstruction ::::I pray your surgery goes well today, & you are able to sail through it, get well soon, take all those pain meds via pain pump every 15 minutes (getting behind is VERY "not good" lol). Best wishes today! My thoughts & prayers are with you as you get the same surgery I had. Wishing for GREAT results with excellent pain control for you. God Bless you my friend. ((((Hugs)))))
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Thinking of Jbdayton and enim20 today. You are two very brave ladies!
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I'm on my way ladies, really really wish I didn't have to do this, but I do. I'm grateful I know it could be worse. I ask that you continue to pray for me and thanks for thinking of me on this day!
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good luck today enlm! Will be thinking of you today.
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That's a cute little bus! It won't hold many of us, though
Best wishes for smooth sailing for enim20 and Jbdayton today, and in case I'm not back for a while, all the best for tomorrow's Sisters, Minivan and Lisa84! -
thoughts and prayers for Jbdayton and Enlm20! Love the bus...I'm climbing on board.
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I think I missed the bus but thinking of you jbdayton and enim20! Speedy recoveries!
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I had an interesting night. I woke up at 1am not feeling myself, was nauseous and uneasy. Woke up my husband and then went to use the bathroom. Next thing I know I get super dizzy and bam, passed out with my face hitting the bathroom faucet on the way down. Everything after that was a blur. My husband said I lost consciousness at least three more times. So off we went to the ER. Had a chest X-ray and it was clear. They did a head ct because my forehead is black and blue. It showed a significant sinus infection. The sites from my drains are also infected. I was also very dehydrated. They have me fluids and IV antibiotic and sent me home with pain meds, two more antibiotics. I was physically doing so well. This seems like a huge setback. Not a happy kid today.
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I read this on your Facebook. I feel so sorry for you! I took a shower yesterday, of course from the waste down and do not know how I made it back to the bed and I blacked out. After reading your story I am going to be much more carful! You poor girl.
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vent: a friend just told me she was jealous of my new Foobs. I just said " don't say that, you are forgetting why I have these.." I am always amazed at what people say...it is so frustrating that people act like I just went out and got them for fun...read these boards people it is Not fun!!! Okay, I am done.
ILovecoasters, what a night! Sorry to hear you had a set back, hopefully with the 2 antibiotics you will feel better in a day or two.
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Update. Got back home about 3pm. I am doing ok so far. PS told DH he filled the upper quadrant, some in the underarm breast area and pulled up the lower incision that healed to the chest wall and put some fat under that. My abdomen looks like a half erased chalkboard (black board). He apparently took fat from upper abdomen and sides even slightly in the back. Ended up with 1 drain in the fat grafted breast.
Of course all is tender. I think I have finally recovered from the anesthesia. No problems with nausea. Yeah!!!!
Going to grab a small bite to eat, take my meds and then I probably will get sleepy again.
Thanks to everyone for the prayers and best wishes.
Enlm20 continued prayers and best wishes to you through recovery.
Minivan and Lisa I will have you In my thoughts tomorrow for very successful mastectomies and of course healing.
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bdayton I am glad you are doing ok. Sounds like you have had a rough road. I hope you get some sleep tonight and feel a little relief soon.
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Oh dear, it's gotten a little rocky around here, hasn't it? In spite of these "scenic detours" it sounds like everyone is headed in the right direction. Let's have smooth sailing from here on out. You're almost there, September girls. Finish off September with nothing but good news. Kisses and gentle hugs to Em and Jb as well the others trying to heal.
I'm on the Pink Bus tomorrow for Minivan and Lisa. I'm bringing margaritas and nachos.
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on the pink bus with you minivan and lisa! Wishing you both speedy recoveries!
So sorry to hear about your setbacks Ilovecoasters and smitty. Hope you're back on the road to recovery soon!
Glad your surgery went well jbdayton!
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I haven't been on in awhile, trying to prepare for my port surgery on Wed then chemo on Fri. Hope all the ladies that went in today are doing well and those that are out, my thoughts are with you for a speedy recovery.
I too am on FB I'm "Jules" for anyone interested.
Good luck to minivan and lisa84 tomorrow!
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Thanks for bringing margaritas and nachos. They sound yummy!
Woke up at 3am and not going in for the sentinel node until 10.
Lots of misinformation and lack of customer care during my cancer journey, including NO phone call from admissions, pre-op or radiology yesterday as promised by the surgeon. So, I called pre-op and know that at least they are expecting me.
Pray that I make it through the sentinel node without screaming and that the surgery goes well.
Trying not to panic!
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Hi ladies.. thanks so much for your thoughts and prayers. In a little pain but it's manageable. Just want you guys to know if it wasn't for God and you ladies things would have been alot harder. I've remained calm because of you all, I was able to be strong because of your strength. I pray that you all are tremendously blessed. As our journeys continue, I wish swift and uncomplicated healing for us all.
Lisa and Minivan my prayers are with you on this day, That everything will go smooth for you two!
Also they found No Cancer in the nodes! I'm truly grateful.
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I want these !@#^*^*&%*%^*& drainage tubes out of me!
End of rant.
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