DIEP 2014
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Thanks to all for sharing the 3-4 week slump. I had my bmx and diep on 9/9 and still needing the pain pills and my energy level is still pretty low. Trying to walk a few blocks up to a mile a day. I definitely feel the emotional injury as much as the physical. Still sleeping sitting up, showering takes a long time because still treating some blisters and my nipples (got to keep them for now), and I am still so limited around the house. I am still waiting for my onco results and that will determine my future. So being in limbo stinks! Although with clothes on, I look pretty normal. Went to Kohls last night, bought some leggings and long tops. Thank goodness leggings are back in style. Can't see wearing tights pants with zippers for a while.
Today is the Jewish new year, so for all those Jewish girls and even those that aren't-here's to a better year for all. Thanks you so much for sharing. Without others close by to share similar stories, just reading your stories helps me know that I am not alone in this journey.
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smd3, I thought the emotional part would get better, but I still have bad moments, and I had my stage 1 eight months ago. Mostly I'm pretty good, but this past week, I just had that "I can't believe I went through that" feeling, and I just felt sad. I actually am feeling some anxiety because October is about here and it's breast cancer awareness month. I just don't embrace it like some women do. I kind of wish I did, but all the pink stuff just reminds me of something I wish I could forget. For Heaven's sake, I can't even watch a football game without it staring me in the face. All the pink socks. Even the refs are all pinked up. Blah! I'm curious how the rest of you feel about it. Love it or hate it? Let's take a poll.
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jmb5 - I feel the same way you do. Right now I don't want the reminders of what I just went through. Perhaps that will change as time goes on. This has been so rough on not just me but my whole family. We are still going through this together. My husband has been so great through all of this but I am finding that we tend to get a little "miffed" at each other more easily than before. He has been so strong for me for so long now I can't help but think "who is there for him?".
I'm not even thinking about nipples yet. My new "girls" are still pretty large for my frame. Not sure when they will schedule my 2nd stage. I am three weeks out today but it sure seems like much longer:)
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lovesroses - I waited exactly 3 months before stage 2a and now exactly 3 months for stage 2b.
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I hate October!
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Goldie - Apparently, some fat is better for grafting than other fat. Apparently, that inner thigh fat I hate is a PS delight.
Norita - yay for you and yay for us that NED is possible!
Pinktober doesn't bother me like it does many of "us". I have a 23 year old daughter and she and her friends embrace it and enjoy it and talk about it. It's worth it to me if it saves one young woman; if one young woman finds her cancer early. I was also assisted in many ways by the American Cancer Society and the Making Strides Walks in October are their big breast cancer fund raiser that funds many of the programs that helped me including the Hope Lodge in New Orleans. It would be hypocritical of me to complain. Anyway, I can't escape it. Reminders are all around me every day, every morning I look in the mirror. The pinkness of October is just more of the same.
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I am not wild about Pinktober either. I use to have a Pink Ribbon magnet for my car, which I through away. It made me sad instead of empowered.
Tbrady, I am hoping my side boob fat will be enough, but if not I guess inner thigh it is...
JMB, sorry you seem to be having a bit of a slump. I am seeing a BC therapist and one of the things we talked about is how some women become depressed when the whole mess is over. So, take heart. What you are going through is not unusual, and does pass. But, if it doesn't maybe talking to somebody, or going to a support group might help.
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I too am struggling with all the pinktober. I think some of it is because I am having trouble identifying. Diagnosed in May from a mamo with dcis... I was healthy and active otherwise. Surgery this month has claimed me free of those dcis cells and they tell me I am good to go. No more worries. Just recover. That makes me feel like my struggle is more of a physical annoyance than one of constant medical issues. No rad, no chemo, etc. It is hard to identify with much of what most of you ladies are going through and the pinkness of the coming month. I find myself pushing to recover, so I can just move forward and check this box and not look back.
I am watching my family raise money for this walk in October. They say they are doing it in my name. And on one hand I think it is great. But honestly on the other hand... Not one of them sent me a card or visited me in my recovery or helped in anyway. And I have this HUGE bill coming my way... But the money and time they are focusing on will go to research and whatever while I am left with medical bills I can not pay. The irony of it just sits wrong, but I understand their intent and know it comes from their heart.
My twins are geared up in pink wristbands, basketball socks with pink ribbons, swim caps with the ribbon, etc. But when you ask them how they are affected... They say they had to do extra chores for 2 weeks and now life is back to normal and so is mommy. I just am not sure the awareness of the month and all the pink parifanalia meets the true need of the community. But I could be alone in these thoughts
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I haven't given much thought to Pinktober. October was always mammo month for me because several coworkers had been through breast cancer. I never worried because there was no cancer in my family. October was just time for a routine check up, along with a flu shot. Until last year. October hit right after I'd been through another heart issue and surgery. Everything had already been on max speed and then it continued after my mammo. It was one test after another and then one surgery after another so that nothing really registered until the summer. Then it really hit because medical stuff finally slowed down. As the calendar rolls around, each month could be associated with a medical issue(except February!) so for me so October is just another month but it gets a color. It's not a fall color but I look better in pink than Halloween Orange (not the new black for me). Tomorrow I'm walking in the OneRun sponsored by the Cancer Support Community of North Texas to benefit people with all types of cancer. The shirt is tie dyed in bright colors, no pink.On the 18th I'm going to walk in the Race for the Cure on the Armijo Recon Team. My PS's team focuses on the recovery and moving forward. I don't care what color the shirt is yet, but hope it's not orange. I support recognition, research, and recovery for anyone facing a health issue whether it is associated with pink or ice buckets. I'm grateful for the support I've received and understand that not all have been as fortunate (?) so I understand that some see Pinktober with hope and others with frustration. It's a month with lots of colors. 💝🎃👻
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goldie, It kind of hit me in church last Sunday that I am feeling down, and honestly, over the past year, I did so well and felt really solid, like I was handling everything. Now I'm approaching one year since diagnosis of recurrence and pinkmania is about to start, and I just want it all to go away. Maybe having a surgery next week adds to it too. I did think maybe I should check into the breast cancer support group at my local hospital. Talking to all of you and hearing your stories helps me too.
And knowing I'm not alone in my feelings about pinktober makes me feel better. Tlbradyful, I totally get what you're saying. I have mixed emotions about it. I want to be positive and embrace it, but it's a struggle.
kb33, that's tough, and I can relate. I, like many other women on here, have the same financial issues too. Lots of debt because I have to pay 2 large deductibles, and next year will have lots of appointments that will be adding to the debt. It doesn't seem fair.
Teacher, October is my mammogram month too. Not this year. Lol!
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debbiann, I just saw your avatar. I love it! Reminds me of my Fight Like a Girl tee.
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kb33 - I'm similar to you in that I got rid of the DCIS and didn't need rads or chemo. I've never been a fan of Pinktober and just like anything else marketable, it seemed to have started in mid-September. I'm even less of a fan now.
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October- for me I think the shock of my diagnosis is wearing off and reality is setting in. I too have mixed feelings. Of course I want those who would never think to go for their mammogram to get one however, I'm still in the process of deciding who around me should and should not know about what I'm going through. Why does a part of me want to hide it? Is it because I don't want to explain my situation to people who aren't close friends? Is it because I would rather pretend all is normal and I can if I don't share with everyone? Last night I told my husband through tears that our lives will never be the same again and of course he tried to convince that some good will come from it all. It's only been 6 weeks since diagnosis and I have already had surgery. I know it doesn't help that I still need the pain pills to get through the nights and they are probably affecting my mood. Can some of you share when your "warrior" came through. Since my diagnosis, I channeled all my energy on finding the best surgeons and deciding what is best for me. Now since I'm waiting for my onco results, I'm in limbo and spending too much time with my thoughts. My 17 year old wants to donate her hair. My 11 year old wants to participate in a cancer walk, and my 15 year old son is venting on instagram with total strangers and getting other teens to share their thoughts. I wish my warrior would find its way out so that I can stop feeling sorry for myself. It's getting old. Thanks for letting me vent.
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smd, you are in the thick of it! You are also getting into the post-surgery blues time that most of us experience during this long recovery. You ARE a warrior every time you put one foot in front of the other, make a hard decision, or feel sick of the whole dang thing and have a good cry. Being a warrior is not being fearless, it's doing what has to be done even though you are afraid. Let yourself feel it all without judgment. Best wishes for good onco scores and a clear path ahead. {{Hugs}}
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Hello beautiful friends. I've been reading but not posting, and have each one of you in my prayers as I read what is going on. I've had a respiratory thing for the last couple of weeks that really knocked me down, so have been laying low.
Very interesting conversation about pink-tober. I was talking with a close friend who is a long time oncology nurse and cancer survivior (ovarian) this week about pink-tobeer. She has been asked to speak on a panel next week put on by local hospital about this very thing. It's an ethics group that puts it on and she has been asked to talk about her feelings on all the focus on breast cancer and the very small lens on other types of cancer like ovarian, lung,, prostate, etc in comparison. She asked my opinion and I think it would be nice to see more awareness, research, education, and funding for pt needs collectively for all types of cancer. I personally have a big problem with companies that pink wash who say buy my product to support breast cancer..for fill in the blank when sometimes very little goes to "said cause". The public is sometimes duped into buying something with good heart, unknowingly adding to some retailers bottom line....October feels a little bit to me like a retail holiday in away with all the commercials and merchandising. I am not against walks and fund raisers and all that good stuff as long as the money trail is going towards something that makes sense! I say forgo all the pink stuff, football gloves, big bags, shirts and all that other stuff and use that money for what we are talking about!! I have been and know many others who have been recipients of the gracious funding of ACS and other charitable organizations for lodging etc. There are some great places out there who do amazing things for folks but don't know that these places are the ones who are at the forefront of pink=tober. Would be interesting to check out!
I've had a scare this week with my reconstructed breast. I found a extra big peas size lump (hard) while doing scar massage. I found it yesterday. Thankfully the oncologist got me right in and I am scheduled on Monday to have a mammogram, ultrasound and breast mri. I am feeling pretty freaked out but have done some reading and statistically the odds are pretty low for a local reoccurrence since I've had rads, mastectomy, and chemo. It sounds like fat grafting can cause this too but this lump is not in an area of the breast that had fat grafting, it was actually an area where they took fat out. Has anyone had this experience post flap with a hard moveable lump? And these things always happen close to a weekend. Dang the waiting..
Hugs to all who are feeling low and healing to those in their various stages of surgeries. Really would advocate for anyone who is feeling blue to consider talking to someone or getting into a support group. I've found that has been really helpful in my journey. This is such a great group of strong women and I feel so honored to be apart of this group It is nice to be able to come here and vent, share, compare. So many times I've read posts and thought, those could be my words and felt validated and not so alone when I get to some of the low places we all have experienced at one time or another. Thank each one of you for the time and effort you put into your posts.
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MS I can remember if I said so but nice summary you posted for those considering flap. Wow!
Lots of good stuff in there for anyone consider the flap and what to expect. Thank you for putting that together.
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Hi smd3, I also struggled with who to tell - my faith in friends has diminished since a few have treated me very differently. I need my energyI didn't want to tell many people because I'm quiet & private. My boss announced it in a meeting at work, in my absence. Now I have 1,800 people knowing - very strange being "checked out" - they stare - or want to hug you - or ask way too many personal questions. I'm dreading letting anyone at work know that there's another operation in 2015.
The roller coaster of emotions is a long tough ride, personally. I wish there was a "summer camp" we could all attend and get pampered ( pain meds - talk - sleep - healthy food - Prozac ) and then return home next year fixed..... I have to stop reading fantasy. I didn't have the limbo feeling waiting for onco results, but totally have too much time with my thoughts too. I wish you chemo-rad free future. You are a warrior for choosing Diep - I don't believe any of us could have foreseen how much our decision would effect our physical and mental health. We Are Warriors !
jmb5 & Kb33 - pink - yep - you ladies are not alone in your thoughts - I hear you - it sucks that the thousands of dollars doesn't go to our expenses - it sure would help in the recovery stage if the added stress of finances was lifted during this time. I really think most people don't get it - until they get it
thanks for letting me vent too...... Jo Ann
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Georgiegirl - I'm so sorry you've had this scare but so thankful that your MO is getting you right in for all the tests on Monday. Saying prayers for everything clear and just something weird that they can take care of.
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Georgie - before you get the mammogram, ask your PS. They usually advise against mammogram. Ultrasound should show what is going on, as will MRI. Cysts and fat necrosis are incredibly common in recon breasts, but oncologists are not usually familiar enough with flap surgery and prescribe what they would for a woman with natural breasts. Please put in a call to your PS this weekend so you will have his preference.
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Georgie, I second what MartyJ said. Most PS really don't want a diep breast to have a mammo, and you just had stage 2. An MRI, and or sonogram should tell the tale. I am standing on the side of "you are fine." I just know that in my heart. But, I will pray for a positive outcome and please keep us posted.JMB, hang in there. This is so normal. I think you should go to the support group at least once. You might find it helpful. If not, no harm, no foul. But, I think you will see you are not the only one who goes through this befuddling down turn you are in right now.
Question about my tummy. It's been almost 5 months. I am still almost completely numb below belly button, and still very hard. How normal is this?
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GeorgieGirl - thoughts for you.
Smd3 - I was so wrapped up in my own research that being a warrior was not even on my radar. I designated a friend as my contact and she had a short list of people to keep up to date because I couldnt. I, too, wanted to be normal and not be on e emotionally and physically draining ride. My warrior began when I began to read and learn from other ladies here.mit didn't really blossom until I found a nearby Cancer Support Community and could talk and share in person. We even had "show and tell" which reinforced that I was still normal, just a new normal. Vent here as often as you want. It helps not to hold it in.
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Lipgloss, man, he was sick when you had c-section! Awful! I hope you have a good rest of year! Hopefully it will be calm and without further incident! Wow, you have a young baby!, my youngest turned 7 this year!
Annieb4, I'm getting better, was even able to work a little today, which is a pretty big deal! DH had to work a 12 hour shift yesterday, he slept most of today, so he's still getting over whatever he has.
Jmb5, I hope you are able to have the result you want, I can understand the reluctance to have to deal with another incision. Wow $400 is just the down payment, I didn't think it would b so expensive. He is very good, so I guess, if you want the best, you gotta pay for it! He needs to teach his methods to others, it would be the kind thing to do!
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Goldie - numb = forever. Sorry to tell you that, but the nerves rarely regenerate. If you ignore it, you will get used to it. I really promise. On the side of my first MX, the back of my upper arm has been numb for 30 years. When I was younger and hung in bars, I was always worried about getting burned by a cig and not feeling it. Never happened. Not sure about the hardness - my ab is taught but not hard.
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Hello all,
I am new to this thread, but used to be on the discussion boards as a support to my sister (saluki) who is now 12 years past her breast cancer diagnosis and so far so good. I was diagnosed with triple negative breast cancer in November of 2013. I discovered a lump in my left breast after coming home from a weekend at a cousin's beach house. This cousin was in the middle of breast cancer treatment, and that prompted me to examine myself a bit when I got home. I was about six months late for my yearly mammogram. (I've included this part of the story because I know some of you wanted to know how people first discovered their cancer.) I spoke to the breast surgeon about my options and he recommended that I have BRCA testing done due to my sister's BC history. If the BRCA test came out positive, he suggested mastectomy followed by systemic treatment (chemo or radiation or both. We both went for BRCA testing and we both tested positive. I decided to have the bilateral mastectomy. A sentinel node biopsy prior to the mastectomy revealed a stage 2b triple negative IDC with a micro met.
With my sister's research and encouragement, I decided to go into a clinical trial at Jefferson University Hospital where I would get chemo before the mastectomy, and be able to have access to treatment that would not normally be available to me unless I had a metastasis. Good news- the chemo worked. I had what they call a total pathologic response. I had a double mastectomy on May 29th 2014 (NED YAY!) and expanders were placed at the same time to prepare for implants. Unfortunately, when one of the scabs came off my incision, there was a dime sized hole with nothing under it but the alloderm and the expander. I felt like I could see clear through to China! The plastic surgeon (Dr Copit) wanted to treat it conservatively for a few weeks and see if it would heal up on its own. We stopped filling the expander and its been almost 4 months since my mastectomy. I still have a hole in my breast, which is how I landed here with you fine ladies. I could go flat, have a lat flap, or a DIEP. I have had the abdominal CAT scan to see if the vessels are okay, and if all is well, I will have a DIEP with Dr. Copit's associate, Dr Ehrlich, on October 23. Somewhere along the way, I also need to have my ovaries out. It's been quite a year. Have any of you needed an oopherectomy, and if so, was it done during the DIEP, before, or after?
I know this has been a very long post. Thank you for bearing with me. I've been working my way through the thousands of posts on this thread and am grateful to find myself among such a supportive caring bunch of people. Good luck to those about to take the plunge. Hugs and healing to those who already did.
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Has anyone used studinger in michigan for a diep? A friend of a friend wants a diep- I personally don't know anyone that used her for a diep... only implants
thanks
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Hugs, Georgie! Let us know how it goes on Monday.Thanks, goldie. I am going to check one out. And my tummy is numb too, from just above the belly button, down to the hairline. It's annoying for sure. My breasts have a lot more feeling now, but not in the nipples.
Yes, Sarah, $400 down and $400 at the appointment for a bilateral tattoo. Uni is $600. They will e-mail insurance forms so I can submit it, and hopefully they'll pay at least part of it.
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Goldie - That's funny about the worrying that someone's going to burn your arm with a cigarette in a bar. Well, not 'funny' funny, but it reminds me of all the different worries we have, as well as the similar ones.
jmb5 - I felt really solid too, during my treatment. I rode that wave with strength and determination and not an ounce of self pity (mostly). A year later I was crying in my car and overwhelmed by the smallest of tasks. My inner warrior had laid down her sword and walked away. Those were some very dark times. I struggled to make a connection between the old me and my new body and mind as well as people's perceptions of what I was supposed to be. None of the pieces worked together - I was like the Tin Man, all disjointed.
When I look back I realize that I was slowly rebuilding and it took a while to be steady on my feet. What you're feeling is very normal. And very difficult. Just know that you're not alone, and also know that it is temporary.
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Stinkiness? (Wow I hate to call you that but I get why you are using that user id due to the situation stinking....) Sounds like you have been through a lot but that is wonderful about your NED diagnosis! Hoping the open area behaves itself and gets resolved somehow and I am also praying that your vessels will be suitable for the DIEP if that is the way you are leaning.
Pinktober- I am ambivalent. The overdose of tacky stuff with hundreds of pink ribbons on it is just a taste issue with me, hahaha not that I am the lady on what not to wear but you know?
Agree that if it enhances care and knowledge then that is cool.
My dear Georgiegirl, good for you for jumping on that lump and getting the wheels in motion. I had a lump that went away by the time I got into see my oncologist, in my case was where the one drain came out so I guess it was scar tissue. I have heard mammos are hard on our DIEP breasts due to blood vessels and stuff so agree with the others.
Teacher, glad you are slowly but surely making progress and helping others along the way.
As far as Soma goes, agree with Goldie in that there are probably different ways to go that are comfortable for many. My Soma bra is probably tied with the $50+ one I bought at UofPenn store as far as comfort, support without squishing, etc. I had a Chico's card which is the same company so there are some pretty nice discounts that way and there are always sales. That being said I had never tried their pjs, they sure looked lovely though. Initially post op my go to was a light blue soft housedress kinda thing I picked up for 13 dollars at K mart, it zipped up the front which was nice when it came time to empty the drains. UofPenn had little drain bags to go around your neck, so I didn't need pockets.
I don't think I would feel depressed as much if I could stop gaining weight. When you gain weight after DIEP it is interesting, it goes different places than it used to. Oy vey.... However I do think the emotions we get are understandable and I am not beyond counseling or medication should I see the need, or if my husband notices things are off the beam. We are worth being cared for in this important area.
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I never felt like a Warrior. I have been walking around putting on a facade of strength and people label me a warrior. No, I'm just trying to get through the days. I never feel strong or in control. I always feel broken. It's been 21 months for me.
Goldie, I had a pet scan last Monday that showed an "area of metastatic activity". I followed up with MRI and ultrasound and they could clearly see it was "trauma" from all of the (6) surgeries. It's scary until you hear the answer. I did have a pea sized hard, moveable area about 5 months post op very near my mastectomy scar. I freaked out, but it was just scar tissue. It felt so similar to what I had felt before. Try to hang in there until you get the answers. It is hard not to fear the worst, but it more likely not a recurrence. I know, easier said than done. Thinking of you.
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Good morning! Thank you for your words of encouragement regarding the lump I found. Your gals are the best. I did call my PS office the day I went to see the Onc on Thursday because I had concerns about the flap and doing the mammo.. And they were ok with me doing the diagnostic testing ordered. I have been doing some reading this weekend and there seems to be mixed opinions on the mammogram and the DIEP Flap. I went to PRMA for my surgery and below is an article written by one of the plastic surgeons there on this particular topic. Another research article I found had some interesting statistics and information, note page 5 regarding the lack of guidelines in the area of mammography and reconstruction. Seems like many things we've discussed on this forum, there are varying opinions and approaches depending on where you go when it comes to the DIEP. Tbradyful/Enjoy I'm sorry for your scary experiences. Thank you for sharing your stories. I know that this is most probably scar tissue or fat necrosis. In the spirit of sharing information, see below.
http://prma-enhance.com/useful_resources/blog/06-1...
http://cdn.intechopen.com/pdfs-wm/27941.pdf
Stinkiesissie, glad you posted. I'm so sorry for all that you've been through. I don't know if you can do the DIEP and the gyno surgery at the same time or not. I know the stage 1 DIEP can be quite lengthy so they may not want to keep you out for that much longer to do the gyno surgery?? Great question for your PS and Gyno surgeon. Please keep us posted on how you are doing and what you find out.
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