Anti Pink: Enlighten me

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  • Denise-G
    Denise-G Member Posts: 1,777
    edited September 2014

    You know, I hated all the pink when I was first diagnosed in October, 2011.  I've come to appreciate it -  sure there are times I feel exploited, but I remember my aunt by marriage who had bc in her 30s and a horrible radical mastectomy in the 1960s. The only treatment available to her was cobalt, the precursor to radiation.  They told her to find homes for her 4 children.  My uncle left her.  People whispered about her...she had no one, and I mean no one to talk with she told me later. No one would talk about "IT".   I would much rather deal with pink than deal with what she went through.  She lived in spite of all odds against her and died of pneumonia in her mid-70s.

  • MusicLover
    MusicLover Member Posts: 4,225
    edited September 2014

    Denise, Good perspective! We have moved forward in so many ways, it is true and thank goodness. Now, it's 1 in 7 women that will be diagnosed of breast cancer.  We need to improve those odds, hopefully more advances in medicine will come.

  • glennie19
    glennie19 Member Posts: 6,398
    edited September 2014


    Denise, your poor aunt!!   That must have been horrible.

    I'm currently reading Bathsheba's Breast, which is about the history of breast cancer and its treatment over the centuries. Much of the treatment was downright barbaric!! And in the days before there was anesthesia (!)  OMG!!!

    so what you described about your aunt,, gosh,, I just read it in this book.  No one talked about it. No one wanted to say the word or go to the doctor.   So in that perspective,,, it makes "pink" and the awareness,,, not so bad. 

  • Denise-G
    Denise-G Member Posts: 1,777
    edited September 2014

    Music Lover & Glennie - thanks for telling me about that book! My library has it. It looks fascinating.  Can't wait to read it!   

    I know my aunt was horribly disfigured and mutilated would be the best word from her descriptions.  She had reconstructive surgery when she was in her mid 60s then remarried!  She was so utterly happy at the end of her life!   She died before my diagnosis.  I often "talk" with her and tell her "I understand" now. 

    Recently, I found out a high school friend's mom had BC when we were in grade school also in the 1960s.  I did not find out until I was diagnosed in 2011.No one talked about it including her daughter with whom I was a good friend.  Her mom also lived against all odds but died recently of something else.  

  • glennie19
    glennie19 Member Posts: 6,398
    edited September 2014

    After reading most of the book,, mutilated would be the word to describe some of the barbaric surgery that they did back then.  I knew about the Halstead radial MX,, but there were ultraradical ones too.  Absolutely horrifying.

    I find the book fascinating, but it is not everyone's cup of tea. The combination of history and medical appears to me, ,especially on this subject. Lots of interesting parts about the 70's,, and how certain famous women (Betty Ford, Happy Rockefeller, Shirley Temple Black, Rose Kushner,etc)  changed the country's perception of BC.  Well-referenced, too.    

    I had to google Minnie Riperton, and listen to her on Youtube singing "loving you".    Really took me back! I was a teenager thru most of the 70's but I was surprised to remember a lot of that section.

  • LindaAnn62
    LindaAnn62 Member Posts: 6
    edited September 2014

    I was just reading thru this post and I am SO glad there are other like minded women like me! I also don't like the "survivor" stamp. Survivor to me says "it's done and over" when it's not and may never be. And if you are a "survivor" and it comes back what does that make you? I think I like "recovering BC victim" better! Victim has more of an evil intonation which is what BC is, it is not pink it is black. 

    I, too, never knew about all the different forms of BC until I had to take a crash course and now I am much better informed. And as far as BC being a "gift" can I re-gift it to someone? Not that I would but really a gift? No thanks! 

    Linda

  • noonrider
    noonrider Member Posts: 464
    edited September 2014

    Cookiegal, Eagan MN is a suburb of St. Paul. Certainly not rural. The three day walk goes right past our house every year.

    Musiclover: Thanks for asking. I'm doing ok! Scheduled for BMX on the 12th but have an insurance glitch that may cause it to be postponed. That worries me a bit. I was supposed to start radiation three weeks ago but didn't because I'm doing the BMX instead. Postponing it feels like playing with fire a bit. I know its all in my head, but that feeling is still there. Actually, lots of feelings I can't shake lately. 7 weeks PFC and chemo still has me messed up.

    LindaAnn62 mentioned the "Survivor" thing. That word has bothered me from day one. Like she said, what about those who don't make it? I wrote a blog post about being "brave" and how I'd rather be called a warrior. I'm in the heat of the battle right now. I feel like I survived chemo, and will survive a surgery, but how can anyone say I've survived cancer when there is no way to know if the sneaky cancer is still hanging around somewhere? 

    I don't mind the pink, or even a ribbon. As I mentioned above, walking around with my bald head leads people to tell me their stories. Walking around with my bald head while wearing some pink thing causes women to tell me their breast cancer story, which is (most of the time) SO much better than the "When my cousin had breast cancer…." folioed by "She died 6 months later." 

  • cookiegal
    cookiegal Member Posts: 3,296
    edited September 2014

    noon rider...yes I have been there. Lived in Minnesota for 6 years. I just find that attitudes about pink are different in different parts of the us. People don't really get the pink backlash thing everywhere. Sorry if I made Eagan sound more rural than it is. 

  • exbrnxgrl
    exbrnxgrl Member Posts: 12,424
    edited September 2014

    glennie and all,

    Minnie Riperton left us a lovely legacy, beside her music and bravery with going public about her bc. She left her very talented daughter, Maya Rudolph.

  • glennie19
    glennie19 Member Posts: 6,398
    edited September 2014

    Yes, Maya is very talented.  Sad that she lost her mom so young.

    I just googled her for the heck of it.  She was born here in my town,, Gainesville, FL!  How weird is that?  never knew it.

  • LibrarianB
    LibrarianB Member Posts: 41
    edited September 2014

    Bettysgirl, 

    I'm so sorry that you had to have all of that pink right in your face while you were going though treatments.  I am dreading it.  There are strange moments now that I forget that I have cancer.  I don't think I'll be able to say that in October. 

    Three years ago I had an area that the radiologist and breast surgeon thought for sure was cancer.  Unfortunately, It was October.  I posted on someone's FB to get a mammogram, but I would skip October.  You don't want all of that pink in your face while you are waiting.  I ended up having the entire thing taken out for a surgical biopsy.  I really thought this time would be the same, but alas.....  I was really upset when people responded with comments like..  it doesn't matter when...  just do it.  Or that October is the best time since it's on your mind.  I just felt like my opinion as someone going through it counted less than the rah rahs.  This year I'll be continuing chemo during Oct.  I can blame any outbursts on chemobrain, right?

    In general the other thing I hate is the marginalization of the experience.  I saw an article about a women that has state iv and is smiling even though she lost the use of her legs.  I'm sure she continues to live her life the best she can, but this message minimizes her emotional, physical, life quality struggle.  

    In general, I would like to be surrounded by real women that are pissed.  No revolution ever got anywhere from smiling and taking your (or in many of our cases} removing your lumps.  Bad pun!  I feel like the pink wants to spread sweet icing over the whole issue.  Boo.  

    I think it's wonderful that some women want to celebrate their survivorship.  I am not comfortable with that knowing it could come back and knowing that more pink is about raising $$ and awareness than prevention (what is up with all the chemicals) and cure.

  • rozem
    rozem Member Posts: 1,375
    edited September 2014

    I agree about pink washing and how these disease is trivialized and thought of as the good cancer "no one dies of breast cancer anymore" I was told MANY times.  This is the as a result of pink, they see all the survivors prancing around in boas and tutus looking great and healthy and while that is GREAT and yes there are lots of women surviving and thriving after BC - that's all they see.  No one talks about stage 4, or even advanced cancers or aggressive cancers.   Many people that I have met personally have their experience shaped by "my aunt ...... has bc at 75 it was removed and she was fine!" - with all this education and awareness I am still dumbfounded at how little the general population knows about BC.  Even my mother in law insisted that "you'll be fine just like me" - well no,  your tumor was 2mm grade 1 removed by lumpectomy no rads req'd, VERY different then my situation.  I know im a little off topic here but my point is that education seems to be very narrow in its scope.  I feel like I have to justify why this diagnosis has shaken my core because the general belief is you got treatment =you're cured go back to life already!

    That said, I am doing the CIBC run for the cure here in Toronto in October.  I struggled with doing it.  I watched Pink Ribbon Inc several times and I do question a lot of these charities.  I did my research, asked a lot of questions and in the end I decided that the money was going in to the proper areas (research, trials etc). I did it last year and it was fun and I did feel a community with the women I was walking with

    but no pink boas, tutus, or wigs for me!

  • LindaAnn62
    LindaAnn62 Member Posts: 6
    edited September 2014

    I also like the term "Warrior"! I thought of that after I posted. This is a battle that some will not survive but they did fight. 

    Linda

  • nihahi
    nihahi Member Posts: 3,841
    edited September 2014

    We all have our preferences for semantics....I detest..."survivor"....I dislike "warrior".....I prefer "veteran". To me, it relates to having gone through something that will always, forever be a part of me, not always "visible to others", but connects me to those who "get it". 

  • glennie19
    glennie19 Member Posts: 6,398
    edited September 2014

    I like veteran,, that sums it up quite well!!

     

     

    I also like ninja.   fought the fight,, and prepared for future battle.

  • panthrah
    panthrah Member Posts: 433
    edited September 2014

    Im the dark and spooky type... October is my fav month, Oct 13th is my birthday. Now October is all pink and fluffy instead of dark and spooky. I do have a different perspective on all "pink" stuff since Ive joined this club. I had not a clue what was involved behind the scenes for the people with BC.  Im still a newbie learning my way around and making more friends (doctors). and I fully agree with the Op's post.  

  • LibrarianB
    LibrarianB Member Posts: 41
    edited September 2014

    love veteran.  I'm going to use that.  I. Hate journey.  My next journey is going to be fun and full of adventure and romance damn it!  Whenever someone talks about cancer journey, I imagine sitting in a boat without a paddle being pushed out alone.....   

    Panthrah, sorry that you are in this club, but the members are great!  

    We filled out our secret pal forms today.  I said no pink stuff!

  • cookiegal
    cookiegal Member Posts: 3,296
    edited September 2014

    ninja is awesome. I like veteran as well. I dislike survivor for a number of reasons. I am also ok with plain old patient.

  • tangandchris
    tangandchris Member Posts: 1,855
    edited September 2014


    I don't know what term I like yet....right now I still feel like a BC victim. I know, I know..how very un-positive of me right?

    I was diagnosed on 10/22/13, felt my lump on 10/12/13...all this crap right in the middle of October. I just happened to feel my lump in the shower and I was 39.

    Anyway, I'm angry about the lack of real information that is out there about BC. A good friend of mine said that I was going to be okay since they detected it early, right? lol she didn't know any different...but my cancer was detected as soon as I felt my breast and I was already at Stage III. Early detection didn't apply since I was under 40.

     

  • LibrarianB
    LibrarianB Member Posts: 41
    edited September 2014

    So sorry tangandchris,

    I am 38.  People also assume that because you are young you will fair better.  I'm still doing chemo.  I say I'm surviving.  

    Agreed. I'm mad at the lack of real info and real dialog in the media.  I wonder if they talked about metastasis, aggressive cancer, recurrance, the realities of chemo, etc they'd scare people away from screening.  It might be harder to sell pink toasters!  

    Hugs!

  • glennie19
    glennie19 Member Posts: 6,398
    edited September 2014


    Survivor to me,, means it's over and I survived.  Well, it's never over. 

    Veteran is good,,, or ninja,, I have to try using one of those.  I actually have just been saying:  "I have breast cancer".

  • bettysgirl
    bettysgirl Member Posts: 938
    edited September 2014

    thanks Librarian- best wishes to you in October-

    I was asked to speak last year after a group of girls i met here celebrated 5 yrs in the mountains. I added that part of the trip was to spread part of the ashes of one that didn't survive. People need to hear both sides of the story. While the number of survivors is rising, there are still those that will lose the battle or will develop secondary caners. Stage IV has little funding. It also irks me that Sept. is Childhood cancer month (also grossly underfunded) and MORE HIDEOUS to me than BC and the PINKTOBER bus is pulling into the station by mid month...

    I chose to go flat. I get pity looks from time to time and that's okay- Hollywood has put the perky recon boobs on the story and it makes women fear BC less because after all look how wonderful '_______' looks. You can't even tell she had BC...exaclty!

    You can tell I have had it- it is obvious i had it. Recon wasn't for me... But it also places an opposite face on BC

    I agree with several posts...i tend to not gravitate to pink fluffy people..WHile i am thankful to be here 6 yrs later I have lost some wonderful friends to BC and that is a story that needs to be heard. BUT they won't be your focused group for PINKTOBER. 

  • FireKracker
    FireKracker Member Posts: 8,046
    edited September 2014

    October used to be my favorite month

    Not anymore

    Everywhere u go they throw the pink crap at u

    When ppl ask me about BC I say I'm in remission....

    I as in remission for a lot of other things but the RADS brought it all back

    WE NEED A CURE...THEY CAN SEND A MAN TO THE MOON AND NO CURE FOR THIS BEAST

    Hogwash

  • LibrarianB
    LibrarianB Member Posts: 41
    edited September 2014

    No one talks about the number of surgeries and PAIN that some women go through for recon.  I had decided that if I needed a mast. I would do both and no recon.  I was able to do a lumpectomy, so...  I'm lopsided, but in no rush for the knife.  Maybe if I lose this extra 20 pounds....  but it sounds like I'll find more with Tamoxifin when that starts!

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    edited September 2014

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