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  • pupmom
    pupmom Member Posts: 5,068
    edited September 2014

    Inga, in my opinion, most people, as you implied, go to alternative therapy only as a last resort, which is completely understandable. As to what they can lose, the answer is a lot of money. I know it is not an issue for everyone, but for many it is.

  • inga6060
    inga6060 Member Posts: 56
    edited September 2014

    Unfortunately, I don't remember all of them.  I know a few actually went to Mexico.  One was going to have her leg amputated,  because of the cancer.  She has been free of cancer for like 30 years.  Another person's wife was dying of breast cancer, could barely get out of bed, the husband found out about some light that he would run over her body. He said she starting getting better, was up and around doing things.  Went back to Dr. Got a dose of radiation to see how the cancer was, it was way better.  Unfortunately,  it all came back with a vengeance, after the radiation.  She died within 2 months.  Sad. To be honest, deblc, I don't think anyone on the planet is doing what I am trying to do in my condition. I should really be at a cancer healing center.  Not to be confused with the ones on the commercials.  But I see improvement.  So I know I'm headed in right direction

  • MusicLover
    MusicLover Member Posts: 4,225
    edited September 2014


    Here is the link that I thought I posted:

    http://cancercompassalternateroute.com/testimonials-2/stage-4-breast-cancer-metastasized-to-lymph-pancreas-and-lung-healed-with-an-alkaline-diet/

    10 years survival after a stage IV dx is very good but her alternative therapy was not a cure so use it as you will.  There are other stories on cancercompass which may be helpful to you too.

    I just want to state that I have done almost a full year of research on how to get myself out of this horrible situation since conventional medicine does not offer a cure.  Unfortunately, I have found that almost all of the wonderful alternative stories that I have read online have not ended well.  Many of the stories which end well using alternative therapies seem to be the stories where the person had surgery and then used an alternative therapy to heal their cancer.  I wish that this was not so and I wish that the whole story was always posted.  That does not mean to say that I am discouraging anyone from trying alternatives, I am just saying to do so with caution.  I am still trying other things besides conventional medicine to help my situation. If I have positive results I will let you all know, I stay as hopeful as possible as we all should - what else can we do at stage IV?  In addition, I think it is important to believe in whatever you are using because there is scientific evidence about the placebo effect (at least, I think there is). 

    There are some more supportive places to discuss alternatives.  There are some websites dedicated to a particular alternative where you can discuss your situation but I haven't seen anything set up as well as BCO. I believe that the women on here are all caring individuals. No one wants to hear about some one suffering and if they offer help that is opposite to your beliefs you do not have to take their advice.  Best wishes to all of you.

    (I just went back and read some of the latest postings on this thread and I apologize for repeating some of what you had stated Inga.  I think I did understand what you meant by the title of your thread but I want to be clear in stating that I feel that conventional medicine can offer you more time too and possibly less suffering but I am respectful of your choices.)

     

     

  • inga6060
    inga6060 Member Posts: 56
    edited September 2014

    To yokiemom.  If Dr.s gave them a death sentence, they have nothing to lose.  You can't take your money with you, when your dead.  Just my opinion.

  • lightandwind
    lightandwind Member Posts: 754
    edited September 2014

    Music Lover, I am suprised that you didn't share the post about the lady w/ stage IV bc that we had PMed about.

    http://www.cancerpatientsrights.com/success-storie...

    https://www.facebook.com/ldsherman


  • pupmom
    pupmom Member Posts: 5,068
    edited September 2014

    Some, like me, would want their children to keep their inheritance. 

  • exbrnxgrl
    exbrnxgrl Member Posts: 12,424
    edited September 2014

    Quite true that you can't take your money with you. My dd's want me to spend it on travel and fun as long as I'm able. I realize that as someone who has seen their children married,  become a grandmother, still works at a fulfilling career etc., my position is different than someone younger. Not that I want to die sooner than I have to, but if my life were to end tomorrow, I will have lived it to the fullest and had a great ride.

  • DiveCat
    DiveCat Member Posts: 968
    edited September 2014

    Losing money can be a big issue when you have families who will continue to survive you, many have young children, etc, and will be left tens of thousands if not more in debt, at risk of losing homes, and so on either before or after the death of their loved one. I want my mother to enjoy her money, she has worked hard for it, she still works hard for it as she continues to work, and I am thrilled she and my stepfather manage to take 2-3 trips a year and spend their money on things they enjoy together. I don't need or want an inheritance, I would rather have her, and I don't worry about what she leaves. But I do care she is not taken advantage of, and I do care that my stepfather is not left destitute for remainder of his life, which could be 20, 30 years. 

    I have seen some of these alternative practitioners and centres take advantage of very vulnerable and scared people...and they can stay open because they charge a lot in such desperate times. Not because they show "success" with metastatic cancers. Now there are some kinds of advanced/metastatic cancer that can go into long term remission (see Lance Armstrong for example, who had remission of testicular cancer that had spread to lungs, brain, etc...I also had a friend diagnosed with advanced testicular cancer in his bowel, stomach at 21 years old who is now 15 years out...after conventional treatment...with no evidence of disease) so I am leery of centres that report these kind of results without differentiating between types of cancer or explaining what conventional treatments were done as well beforehand or at same time. 

  • lightandwind
    lightandwind Member Posts: 754
    edited September 2014

    Patients who receive chemo are being taken advantage of too. Patients who receive chemotherapy who are not physically strong enough to endure the side effects are dying because the docs don't have have anything else to offer. Why not allow folks to just look for and choose things that are less harsh if it helps them? why?

  • pupmom
    pupmom Member Posts: 5,068
    edited September 2014

    Light, folks are allowed to look for and choose whatever treatment they want. Personally, I don't  trust alternative therapies to cure cancer, so I would never take money away from our retirement or our children's inheritance for such things. We have plenty of money to leave the kids, but throwing any of it away makes no sense. Like Caryn said, I've had a great life and realize that none of us get out of here alive. I'll take my "chances" with conventional treatment because it is evidence based and imho gives me and others the best chance for survival. 

  • leggo
    leggo Member Posts: 3,293
    edited September 2014

    I suppose it depends what you consider success. I'd say I'm an alternative success story. I haven't had any conventional treatment since 2010. Still alive and kicking, with regression in brain mets. To be clear, I am not cancer free and my personal view of alternative includes off-label drugs. Alternatives can most certainly extend your life. Not my job to convince anybody...my job is to stay alive as long as possible for my kids.

    As for an alternative member posting their treatment choices on the Stage IV forum....perhaps someone new and naive might. Those of us who've been here a while would never, no matter what the title of the thread, for several reasons, not the least of which is respect for someone else's choices. 

    Also, to be noted, I did do conventional until all conventional options (but one), were exhausted. I often regret going the distance with conventional because of additional issues it caused, but I try to look forward.

  • lightandwind
    lightandwind Member Posts: 754
    edited September 2014

    Right Yorkie, so since you are anti- alternative, I can't understand why you are hanging around trying to convert people who aren't interested in being converted.

  • MusicLover
    MusicLover Member Posts: 4,225
    edited September 2014

    L&W, I was hesitant to offer Laura Sherman's story because it has been only 10 months but if some one has run out of options or prefers the less toxic treatment of cannabis oil, it seems to be working for this woman.  I hope that her story is true, I haven't reached out to her to verify it.  There are two problems I see with cannabis oil, well maybe 3, the first is availability, the second is cost and third is (and the reason that I started the thread on cannabis oil) more positive long term stories.  This is just one of those things that I don't have full faith in, as of yet. 

    Unless you can make your own oil, the people who are making the oil have a lot to gain financially by purporting these stories. Given that, this might be a viable option for cancer patients - curative would be wonderful but who knows?

  • lightandwind
    lightandwind Member Posts: 754
    edited September 2014

    Most of the people who use cannabis choose their caregiver who makes it or they make their own in a rice cooker. Hazardous to use isopropal alcohol.  Need food grade as a solvent

  • MusicLover
    MusicLover Member Posts: 4,225
    edited September 2014

    In many states RSO or CO, is not available legally as of yet and if you are able to get it even Rick Simpson states that you may not be getting the proper quality of the stuff you need to be successful  And L&W, I am glad that you mentioned what I have read - that it is dangerous to make on your own, so if anyone attempts to do so you need to take all necessary precautions and then some!
    Maybe we need an official waiver - You will be making RSO or CO at your own risk.  (I'm not trying to be funny.)

  • MelissaDallas
    MelissaDallas Member Posts: 7,268
    edited September 2014

    Inga, from your Facebook Page on Friday 8/29: "Been responding to questions on breast cancer website. Boy, a lot of people just don't know . Im glad I can b helping."

    What do you mean by that statement?

  • lightandwind
    lightandwind Member Posts: 754
    edited September 2014

    Inga you don't have to answer that. MD its her Facebook page and you are double crossing boundaries here.

  • pupmom
    pupmom Member Posts: 5,068
    edited September 2014

    Not trying to convert anybody. Matter of fact, I personally don't know anyone who chooses alternative treatment over conventional. Just joining in the conversation.

  • MelissaDallas
    MelissaDallas Member Posts: 7,268
    edited September 2014

    Light, she publicly posted on the board how to find her Facebook page, which I might add is another fundraiser.

  • MusicLover
    MusicLover Member Posts: 4,225
    edited September 2014

    No offense but we should stop the back and forth nonsense.  Cancer sucks plain and simple, conventional medicine some times lets us down, as does alternative medicine.  If there was one sure solution everyone would be turning to it but there is not.  Let's try and use BCO to support each other as it was meant to, to share information and lift each other up while we are going through difficulties of dealing with this disease. No one wants to be here. Let's not pretend we have all the answers because no one does...

     

  • inga6060
    inga6060 Member Posts: 56
    edited September 2014

    Again, for the hundredth time.  I am not here to solicit funds.  My story is long, some people wanted to hear it.  Can't figure out how to cut and paste it.  I am not using a laptop.  Using my phone.   I am so sorry I even mentioned it.  Thought there were better things to talk about. 

  • Lily55
    Lily55 Member Posts: 3,534
    edited September 2014

    this IS the ALTERNATIVE forum, personally I dont like the term as I think an integrative or complementary approach is the healthiest route, there are benefits and shortcomings with all approaches.  Conventional research is indicating that patients who are treated as individuals, and an individualised approach to cancer is the most successful route but it will be a long time before that is nirmal practice among oncologists

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