Post Neoadjuvant Chemo Residual Cancer - How are you doing?

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jojo2373
jojo2373 Member Posts: 662

I completed treatment last year (which included neoadjuvant chemo prior to surgery). Surgery results showed cancer remaining in breast and one node.  Although greatly reduced in size, the fact it was "still alive" after all that chemo has worried me.  My BS said it does increase my risk of recurrence.  How are others who had the same results doing?

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  • Traveltext
    Traveltext Member Posts: 2,089
    edited August 2014

    I've just had a similar experience and would like to hear some comments on this. 

  • jojo2373
    jojo2373 Member Posts: 662
    edited August 2014

    Hi Traveltext - what did your path report show?  Are you luminal b?

  • Traveltext
    Traveltext Member Posts: 2,089
    edited August 2014

    Hmmmm can't see any luminal b on the report. 

  • jojo2373
    jojo2373 Member Posts: 662
    edited August 2014

    what grade was your tumor?

  • Traveltext
    Traveltext Member Posts: 2,089
    edited August 2014
  • NancyHB
    NancyHB Member Posts: 1,512
    edited August 2014

    hello ladies!  I jumped in here because my cancer was Luminal B (although I never had neoadjuvant chemo).

    Traveltext, Luminal B won't show up on a path report.  It is typically determined by ER+, low or negative PR, higher grade (2 or 3) and high proliferation (ki-67).  This can sometimes be determined through Oncotype score (higher score mah indicated Luminal B). My onc determined I was Luminal B after my Oncotype score, and was confirmed by my ki-67 (50%).  Luminal B typically had a poor response to hormone therapy.  Great article here:

    www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC34300900/

  • Kay_G
    Kay_G Member Posts: 3,345
    edited August 2014

    I had residual cancer in two lymph nodes and still a 1.2 cm tumor after neoadjuvant tumor, but was over 5 cm before chemo.  Still doing well three years since surgery.

  • Traveltext
    Traveltext Member Posts: 2,089
    edited August 2014

    Nancy. Thanks, will check the article. 

    Kay. Good on you. I can take heart from that. 

  • jojo2373
    jojo2373 Member Posts: 662
    edited August 2014

    Kay G thanks for that info.  I wondered how others are doing. I am luminal B too and was curious how this along with residual post neo cancer affects my prognosis.

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited August 2014

    Nancy - The link doesn't work. Luminal B responds poorly to hormone therapy? That's a bummer. I thought my high hormone positivity would mean that I would respond well to hormonals. But what's this about Luminal B being low or negative PR? I definitely don't fit into that category. My oncologist called me a "mixed bag" in that I have high everything - high grade, scary high ki67, high Her2, high ER, high PR.

    As for the original question, I also had residual cancer following neoadjuvant therapy. My oncologist said that while a cPR would've been ideal (obviously) that the fact that things shrank at least 75% and I'm hormone positive means that I still have a good prognosis. So that is of comfort to me but I'm also opting to continue being very aggressive (radiation, Kadcyla or Halaven trial, ovarian suppression).

    If you want reassurance, check out the Stage III board. Lots of ladies with boatloads of positive nodes (like 5 or more) after neoadjuvant who are still doing fine.

  • jojo2373
    jojo2373 Member Posts: 662
    edited August 2014

    I have read that high PR is not indicative of Luminal B.  I am 100% ER+ and less than 10% PR with a grade 3.  My MO explained to me although we appear receptive to hormonal therapy, however there is an unknown "driver" yet to be discovered.   Agree any chemo response is a big positive and a complete is optimal.  I am 2 years out now and am still nervous.

  • Traveltext
    Traveltext Member Posts: 2,089
    edited August 2014

    My DIC started at 2.7cm under the nipple and included two affected nodes. After the FNA biopsy the breast flared up into an ugly inflammatory situation. This reduced as soon as the chemo started and continued to shrink the breast (and I thought the tumor) for the six treatments. The following mastectomy (which included an axillary clearance) found the ductal cancer and two nodes still tumurous. Obviously they were removed and the node score turned out to be 2/23. Now I'm off for radiation. BTW I'm a 64-year old male.

  • rozem
    rozem Member Posts: 1,375
    edited August 2014

    jojo - I know someone personally who had a 2 cm tumor and cancer cells (micro) in 11 nodes post neo adjuvant and she is doing well almost 4 years out (with her2 positive)  - she started out with a lot of cancer and although she didn't get a pcr the chemo worked!

  • jojo2373
    jojo2373 Member Posts: 662
    edited August 2014

    Thanks Rozem,  real stories are the most comforting. 

  • MerrellGirl
    MerrellGirl Member Posts: 67
    edited September 2014

    NancyHB, are you still taking the Tamoxifen then?  My numbers are similar to yours.  I just started Tamoxifen in late March and was expecting to be on it for the long haul. . .

  • nowheregirl
    nowheregirl Member Posts: 894
    edited September 2014

    Hi all,

    I was skimming through the forum today and came across this thread. Just thought I'd jump in.

    I am a long time member here. DX'd with stage IIb IDC on 7th July of 2005. 

    My tumor was almost 4cm's at DX and one of my lymph nodes out of 9 was affected. Did 12 x weekly Taxol followed by 4 x EC (almost the same as AC) every 4 weeks prior to lumpectomy. By the time I was done with chemo, my tumor was less than 1cm but was still there. As soon as I had a lumpectomy, I started Tamoxifen & Lupron along with yet another 12 x weekly Taxol followed by rads. And now, after 9 years, I am still alive and kicking. Working full time and my life has been even more active and busier than those who have never been through any serious diseases. Been on overseas holidays several times. You all will be where I am now before you know!

    Hugs,

  • MeToo14
    MeToo14 Member Posts: 493
    edited September 2014

    I am only half way through my chemo and hoping for a lumpectomy, and of course, to have no cancer left at the end of my 6 rounds. I have a large tumor so I am not getting my hopes up.  I am worried that the cancer will return one day but it is good to hear stories of those who have been through it and still doing well after years have passed.

  • jojo2373
    jojo2373 Member Posts: 662
    edited September 2014

    Nowheregirl, congrats!  thank you for posting. Metoo, lots of great success stories, comforting in the face of evil

  • jojo2373
    jojo2373 Member Posts: 662
    edited January 2015

    bumping this thread for more input!

  • Traveltext
    Traveltext Member Posts: 2,089
    edited January 2015

    Well, I had my 25 doses of radiation without too much drama. Now I'm on Tamoxifen without any SEs.

    Life gets back to normal thank goodness.

  • jojo2373
    jojo2373 Member Posts: 662
    edited January 2015

    Glad to hear you made it through Traveltext! I just hit my 2 year mark for surgery and am switching to Arimidex. My doctor did say at my appt last week we need to be vigilant with the hormonals since i did have cancer remaining after chemo. Still makes my wonder what that means.

  • Traveltext
    Traveltext Member Posts: 2,089
    edited January 2015

    Great that all is well with you mojo. As I understand it, this means that if we get a recurrence, they know that the chemo they used on us didn't destroy all the cancer cells. Likely they have others they can try though.

    Anyway, the surgery sure got the cancer, and the radiation was an extra insurance, plus we have our anti-cancer drugs to ward things off. Let's get on with life, keep fit, eat healthily and assume that we'll be fine.

    If nowheregirl can go for nine years, we'll be right.

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited January 2015

    I had neoadjuvant chemo for two tumors. My tn tumor shrunk down really well - although not completely. However my her2 tumor, not so much. I am over a year out from surgery. So far, so good. I was negative for ER/PR so no hormonal therapy for me.

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