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  • IamNancy
    IamNancy Member Posts: 1,158
    edited August 2014

    Blessings - hope you feel better soon .. wow, its been 2 months already... all the best!

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  • Ariom
    Ariom Member Posts: 6,197
    edited August 2014

    Blessings, I am so glad to see you back, but sorry to hear what happened to you I hope you feel better and that your Vanity finds its way back, soon! Hugs to you!

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  • pupmom
    pupmom Member Posts: 5,068
    edited August 2014

    Blessings, YIKES! Wishing you a speedy recovery, of both your heath and vanity! Sometimes we forget not all the miseries out there are bc induced. 

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  • barbe1958
    barbe1958 Member Posts: 19,757
    edited August 2014

    Gentle hugs to all that need one!

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  • SelenaWolf
    SelenaWolf Member Posts: 1,724
    edited August 2014

    I'm glad to see everyone!


     

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  • MsPharoah
    MsPharoah Member Posts: 1,034
    edited August 2014

    Blessings, so sorry to hear of your serious accident and the elongated recovery time.  Hopefully you will still feel like putting on some lipstick!

    Yorkie, I am so jealous that your wattle "waddled" off.  But I appreciate the description of your recovery.  I will take great pause before I pursue the neck work.  Can't wait to see your pictures!

    Hugs to all who lurk at the make up counters!

    MsP

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  • pupmom
    pupmom Member Posts: 5,068
    edited August 2014

    MsPharoah, it all depends on how much you want it. I had my mom's neck, not really turkey like but a big glob of fat. Definitely hereditary. We were/are both normal size, but gravity got us in the neck starting at about age 60. Anyway, I wanted to get rid of the glob in the worst way. The results are astonishing, even before I have completely healed. The glob is completely gone and I have a sleek, young looking jaw line and neck. For me it was worth it, but this surgery is definitely not for everybody.

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  • Tomboy
    Tomboy Member Posts: 3,945
    edited August 2014

    So nice to see everyone! i thought this thread was fading away, so glad to to see it revive. I want to see that new neck,Yorkiemom!

    Ooh, Blessings, that's an owie for sure! hope you recover from the effects soon!

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  • MsPharoah
    MsPharoah Member Posts: 1,034
    edited August 2014

    Yorkie, question for you.  Did your plastic surgeon try to talk you into other "work"?  I would like to get my neck done, but I don't want to feel pressured into getting anything else and I have heard that when they smooth out your neck, they like to go "all the way".  What was your experience with your consultation?

    MsP

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  • pupmom
    pupmom Member Posts: 5,068
    edited August 2014

    MsP, no he didn't. My surgeon was great. Did the job I wanted with no pressure to do more.

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  • MsPharoah
    MsPharoah Member Posts: 1,034
    edited August 2014

    So good to know there are great PS' out there.  Can't wait to see your pictures and happy, happy healing, oh vain one!

    MsP

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  • pupmom
    pupmom Member Posts: 5,068
    edited August 2014

    Thank you MsP! I'll see the PS in about two weeks. Going to ask him to take new pictures and send the before and afters to me.

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  • Blessings2011
    Blessings2011 Member Posts: 4,276
    edited August 2014

    Thanks, everyone! xoxoxoxoxo

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  • Momine
    Momine Member Posts: 7,859
    edited August 2014

    MsP, good question. I am half-scheming to get a PS consult for my belly. I suspect that it is really just a matter of removing a bit of excess skin and ought to be a small operation. But I have an unreconstructed BMX, and I am wondering what a PS will think when I give him a full frontal and then tell him I want him to clean up the stomach, but that I don't want new boobs. :D

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  • Ariom
    Ariom Member Posts: 6,197
    edited August 2014

    That's great Momine! I would do my belly, in a heartbeat, but reconstruct, just not for me, thank you!

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  • Tomboy
    Tomboy Member Posts: 3,945
    edited August 2014

    i have wondered about that, too. i am just not happy with how painful the remainder of my breast has become. and if it weren't for the fact that i would feel like i wasted some perfectly good radiation, i have thought recently about having them both off. except for then my newly aqquired belly would stick out further than my chest. being someone who appreciates a nice line, i am in a quandary as to what to do. i would want no reconstruction of any kind, no more unnecessary lymphatic pathways, nerves or especially muscles, cut on me,please. but then i heard lipo is no picnic either.

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  • barbe1958
    barbe1958 Member Posts: 19,757
    edited August 2014

    kathe, you learn to stand differently without breasts and the heavy weight, so though at first your belly is prominent, it does look better when you fix your posture.

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  • Tomboy
    Tomboy Member Posts: 3,945
    edited August 2014

    Thanks, barbe! you know what? when i first grew my breasts, they pretty much popped up over night, and i was so busy being a tomboy, and running around,that i didn't even notice them! and no one in my family did either! till one of the ladies in the 'hood, suggested to my mother that she might want to get me a bra. immediately, i became very self conscious of them, and began slumping. now i've done it all my life. my back never hurt, and was always extremely strong for a skinny girl. i was so skinny, i got teased about it.so after surgery, my back has hurt almost every single day. i actually saw a breast surgery,on you tube, its pretty brutal. i was curious, cause my friend who was an RN,and had breast ca too,(she passed when i was having rads)   :(    ,told me just how they do that, the part about how they tilt the table, and the part about where they practically.....ok i just realized i better not talk about this, any person can go and look for them selves..if you are like me, my visual memory is acute and long lasting, so if you are like me, don't go looking for that, unless you can live with it.

    and also, all the people i know with excellent posture? there backs hurt, all.the.time.  and i am a great sloucher, and my back never hurt really bad until endocrine therapy. but i am working on it now.

    i just weigh about 30 lbs more than i ever have, my whole adult life, and its mostly in my belly, and my unaffected breast!!!

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  • barbe1958
    barbe1958 Member Posts: 19,757
    edited August 2014

    I weigh more than I ever have as well. But I just started Metformin in April and can't shake an ounce! A co-worker said he gained 100 POUNDS on Metformin!!!! 

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  • Tomboy
    Tomboy Member Posts: 3,945
    edited August 2014

    Now THAT i would complain about!

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  • SelenaWolf
    SelenaWolf Member Posts: 1,724
    edited September 2014

    Hello, vainsters!

    Sounds like we need to get up-and-running again in a place where questions and debate ARE ALLOWED; where citations and reliable sources ARE WELCOMED; where critical thinking is a given; where dissent IS ENCOURAGED in the name of promoting science-based medicine and clarifying issues.  For if we cannot be vain about intelligent discourse, what can we be vain about?

    "The same cannot be said for popular forms of alternative medicine practiced in wealthy countries. The National Center for Complementary and Alternative Medicine (NCCAM), which is part of the National Health Institute, receives around $125 million per year in taxpayer dollars—this is more than we devote to autism research—to study every alternative remedy thrown at them, including homeopathy, qi gong, reflexology, and even long-distance physic healing. Since its inception, NCCAM has yet to prove a single alternative therapy is more effective than a placebo.

    So at its most benign, bringing alternative medicines to the developing world is a waste of money. The benefits they possess are almost certainly due to the placebo effect, which again can be powerful, yet is something that local alternative remedies do just as well. But there is also a darker side. Proponents of a specific form of alternative medicine sometimes express bewilderment when doctors take a different approach, leading them to the frightening conclusion: Western medicine is evil.

    The alternative medicine subculture in the US is a hotbed for conspiracy theories. Here are some headlines from Natural News, a popular alternative medicine site:

    - White House admits staging fake vaccination operation to gather DNA from the public

    - Polio ‘global health emergency’ entirely fabricated by W.H.O. to sell more vaccines

    - Pharma pushers want to conduct Ebola medical experiments on entire population of West Africa

    Not all proponents of alternative medicine deny basic science and spread hysterical conspiracy theories, such as the popular myth that vaccines cause autism. But like politics and religion, the radicals are the ones to worry about, especially when they bring their nonsense abroad."

    http://scholarsandrogues.com/2014/09/01/homeopathy-scientology-conspiracy-theories-and-for-profit-quackery-lets-keep-global-health-science-based/

     Which brings me to the topic that interests me today: the placebo effect.  This is a real, quantifiable phenomenon in the world of scientific research and is, often, misinterpreted by laymen as clinical response when, actually, it is only a confounding factor.  But should placebo effect be entirely discounted as relevant?

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  • Momine
    Momine Member Posts: 7,859
    edited September 2014

    Oh dear, those horrible WHO-WHO-whores! Raking it in on the vaccines, the bastards. That one is particularly galling considering how many vaccine workers have been shot trying to protect kids in various places.

    However, I have finally accepted that most people (not ALL) who are ardently pro-alternative medicine simply reject science outright and choose to rest on belief and what they consider to be common sense. Often (not ALWAYS) there is also a healthy dose of conspiracy think involved - big pharma etc. 

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  • MelissaDallas
    MelissaDallas Member Posts: 7,268
    edited September 2014

    And there is another new "expert" in town.

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  • pupmom
    pupmom Member Posts: 5,068
    edited September 2014

    I'm vain about being intelligent and rational! I'll take science based medicine every time over wishful thinking.

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  • exbrnxgrl
    exbrnxgrl Member Posts: 12,424
    edited September 2014

    Natural news btw is the baby of Mike Adams, health ranger. He is, I believe, an AIDS denialist. Beside a heavy bent toward conspiracies, AIDS denial, Holocaust denial and a good measure of anti-semitism come as part of the package, in many cases. "Dr." Ryke Hamer, of German New Medicine fame/infamy , lead the charge  on anti-semitism. Google him and your jaw will drop and then you'll quickly be repulsed. 

    ¡Viva, questioning, critical thinking and not following blindly in any area of life!

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  • Tomboy
    Tomboy Member Posts: 3,945
    edited September 2014

    Oh, hey, i see you guys have been reading here and there! nice to see you HERE. there is some people there is just no talking to, and it scares me... Give me an intelligent thinking woman any day, over any other kind.

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  • pupmom
    pupmom Member Posts: 5,068
    edited September 2014

    Caryn, I've read about that guy. How anyone could reference him is beyond my imagination! 

    Kathec, you're right. Sometimes it's like beating one's head against a brick wall. Ouch, my head is hurting cause I've been doing that way too much lately.

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  • Tomboy
    Tomboy Member Posts: 3,945
    edited September 2014

    yeh, yorkiemom, i was watchin. sheesh, there is some dangerous stinkers out there.

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  • pupmom
    pupmom Member Posts: 5,068
    edited September 2014

    Kathec, you called it! 

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  • barbe1958
    barbe1958 Member Posts: 19,757
    edited September 2014

    You know what? Let the sheeple believe what they want!

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