Does anyone not wear a bra after implant reconstruction?

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MondaysChild
MondaysChild Member Posts: 591
edited August 2018 in Breast Reconstruction

I think I look better with no bra. I have a lot of upper pole bulging and even without a bra it looks very fake. With a bra, even the most unconstructed of underwires styles, I look very "jacked up".

If implant exchange was a year ago or more, is not wearing a bra, or wearing only non-underwire bras, a problem? My reconstructive PS said wearing an underwire is important always and forever, but I think I look very sad and fake in that style of bra now.

What do you all think?

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  • exbrnxgrl
    exbrnxgrl Member Posts: 12,424
    edited July 2014

    I have had my implants for almost 3 yrs, I never wear underwire bras and go without a bra if I feel like it. I am fortunate in that my implants look very natural and pretty much like the originals. When I asked my ps about bras, he said to wear whatever I wanted or nothing at all. It seems that each ps has different opinions on the bra issue. If you're not happy with your implants or ps, book a consult with someone else.

  • odie16
    odie16 Member Posts: 1,882
    edited July 2014

    I only wear a bra when I work out and usually just wear  a cami otherwise. My PS said I don't need to wear a bra if I don't want to so most the time, I don't! 

  • MondaysChild
    MondaysChild Member Posts: 591
    edited July 2014

    Thanks. To clarify, without a bra I look like I probably should with a bra on, just obviously augmented and very lifted. With a regular underwire bra, I look like I am wearing a push up bra and that is not my style at all.  If I can get away without wearing a bra, I am satisfied enough with the results. I accept the limitations of reconstruction and know I will never look or feel like me.

    I was curious if anyone who does not wear a bra, or at least an underwire bra, has any negative things happen because of not wearing an underwire bra. I sounds like you two do not and three years is a pretty good test.

    Plastic surgeons seem to be all over the board about wearing bras and wire/no wire. I wonder if they have ever bothered doing a real study of whether which or any bra protocol actually made a difference long-term, like after 5 or even 10 years or more.

  • 2Tabbies
    2Tabbies Member Posts: 984
    edited August 2014

    This is interesting.  I haven't had recon yet, just a consult, and I told my PS that I don't ever want to wear a bra.  He said I shouldn't have to. I'd be really pissed if I went through this surgery and found out that I had to wear one especially an underwire. I consider them torture devices, and never wore them. This topic does seem like something the researchers should have gathered data on. I want to know what's been shown to be true not just what an individual PS says. I wonder if it depends on the type of recon and final cup size.

  • sarahjane7374
    sarahjane7374 Member Posts: 669
    edited August 2014

    My PS told me I never need to wear a bra again unless I want to.  He had no opinion on what kind to wear, if I chose to, other than for running he said to wear a decent sports bra with the band tight and high, kind of tucked under my breasts.  He said no matter what I do, I won't damage anything related to the reconstruction, but the sports bra will protect against soreness at the IMF when there's a lot of bouncing around. 

  • mdg
    mdg Member Posts: 3,571
    edited August 2014

    was never given guidance from my PS.  I often wear a tank top under shirts with no bra.  I had reconstruction over 3 years ago and not had problems.

  • AZ85048
    AZ85048 Member Posts: 2,613
    edited August 2014

    I've had exchange (December, 2013) and a revision including implant swap (June 2014) and both times, each PS said I could wear a bra or not - that it was totally up to me.  After the exchange, the first PS did stipulate that wearing an underwire was discouraged for the first few months because of the IMF incisions.  However, after the revision (which was done through my old lateral BMX scars), it seems that anything goes.  I do wear a sports bra to bed most nights (whippetmom's recommendation) but regularly go without anything during the day.  I feel good either way and am thankful that I'm not restricted to either option.

  • 2Tabbies
    2Tabbies Member Posts: 984
    edited August 2014

    Thanks, sarahjane, mdg and AZ85048. It looks like all 3 of you had implants only no flap procedures.  Is that correct?  That's what I wanted but am told I can't have it because I had radiation.  I'm pretty pissed about that since nobody told me that a year ago when I was making all the decisions about treatment.  Anyway, I'm considering a lat flap. I want to trust my PS when he says I won't need a bra. (I'm going to verify that I heard him right on that.) It just seems so odd that the instructions vary so much between docs. 

  • sarahjane7374
    sarahjane7374 Member Posts: 669
    edited August 2014

    Yes, I have implants, and Alloderm.  Not sure if that factors into the "no bra" thing.

    You could always consult with another PS to get another opinion on your reconstruction options.  Because, like you say, their instructions and recommendations are all over the map.

  • Moonflwr912
    Moonflwr912 Member Posts: 6,856
    edited August 2014

    I too have alloderm and implants. My P'S said don't need a bra. They are all over the place on bras or not. There is a thread on bras on here it called bras 101. Sorry I can't link on my phone. But you might go on there. Ask your PS if you had alloderm.  If not that could be a reason for the bra rule. 

    2tabbies, rads do interfere with the skin so much the chance of failure with implants is almost 50 %.  And they don't know who's will take or not. I have heard that some fat grafting before the implants help with the skin integrity. You might ask about that. 

    Good luck and much love to all. 

  • DiveCat
    DiveCat Member Posts: 968
    edited August 2014

    I have implants, and Alloderm, and I LOVE wearing underwire bras. I wear them pretty much 24/7...yup, I also have comfortable underwire bras for sleeping in. Being in a proper fitting bra (meaning correct sizing - 80% of women are in the wrong size...usually too big of a band and too small of a cup) is incredibly comfortable in my opinion. I don't notice my bras during the day at all...all I notice is that I don't notice anything at all! If you are always tugging at them or feel they are torture devices I will bet you you aren't in the correct size/bra (only I won't actually bet as 80% of the time I would be paying up!)

    I always wore underwire before surgery, and still do (even my sports bras are a padded underwire!). I just find a good fitting bra feels good, and they do help with shaping...like when I take off my bra my breasts look even more amazing, ha ha. It does not look like I am wearing a pushup with my bras on though...it looks pretty much like I did before surgery.  If things look pushed up, it seems like that might have to do with the style or size of the bra, a "full cup" style" for example really should not be pushing you up; though a balconnet or demi-cup can. A too small or too shallow bra can also cause that as the breasts, especially implants, have no where else to go.

    Anyway, I know I am rather passionate about bras, but for me putting on a pretty, well fitting bra is the equivalent of my first cup of tea in the morning, a bit of a pick me up. I could hardly wait to get back into underwires again after surgery. The Genies and Balis were comfortable, but did not feel nearly as good or supportive as my wires :)

    My PS "preferred" me to be in underwire once I was healed (I had IMF incisions)  but did not mandate it. He did say it was better for reducing risk of migration, sag due to stress of implant on thin tissues over time, etc. He did prefer me to be in SOME kind of bra though (even a soft cup) rather than no bra. Alloderm is some extra support and coverage at the bottom of the implant, but it is not immune from stretching over time and only minimizes risk of migration, it does not guarantee to prevent it.

    2Tabbies (my kitty is a longhaired patched tabby, and my rainbow bridge kitty was a classic silver tabby, tabbies are awesome!) my mother had DIEP flap and just wears soft bras...sort of like Genies but ones with front closures as she does not feel comfortable (or professional) sans bra; she has lymphedema though so this is also part of her avoidance of underwires).

  • kamm
    kamm Member Posts: 140
    edited August 2014

    I always wear a bra merely because I'm 50 and can't imagine going out braless but I totally appreciate the fact that when I wake up in the morning I don't have to wear one immediately when I get up. Like most people gravity and breast feeding had taken it's toll on my little 34B's so I used to put one on the second I got up in the morning trying to preserve what ever I had left! The Alloderm def helps in the implant situation but I still wonder about gravity. Again because of my age it's really not an issue anyway. I will also say that sometimes if I'm days and days in a bra with only a little time out for sleep they do start to ache a little. So I try to make sure I pop that bad boy off as soon as I can in the evening and let them breathe! My PS also says wahtever you want. No need if you don't want one. He's a man though so I would just go with intuition on the subject. Gravity is not our friend. 

  • GG27
    GG27 Member Posts: 2,128
    edited August 2014

    I had bi lateral lat flaps after rads & have never worn a bra since.  My PS knew I really didn't to wear one again & the only time it's a bit obvious is when I wear something rather form fitting or low cut on the shoulders so there are no straps showing.  Quite frankly I've tried to have professional fittings in case I ever wanted to wear something pretty & they don't fit into any bras.   I had one fitter almost in tears because she really wanted to find something to fit them & couldn't, I kept telling her it was okay, but I think she fitted me with every single bra in the store! :)  Dee

  • Janett2014
    Janett2014 Member Posts: 3,833
    edited August 2014

    My PS said I could wear a bra, camisole, or no bra. I usually wear a Genie bra with inserts during the day because I think my shape looks better with it under clothes. I do not wear a bra at night or first thing in the morning.

    My sister used the same PS, and she had BMX, expanders, and then silicone implants. They were put in at least 9 years ago. I think she wears a soft bra most days but goes braless around the house. She is probably a C cup and has no sagging even after all this time. 

  • 2Tabbies
    2Tabbies Member Posts: 984
    edited August 2014

    Sarahjane, I may consult with another PS. Both the guy I consulted with last year before my bilateral mastectomy and the one I just saw in June were recommending the lat flap. I just wish the guy last year had mentioned that rads basically rule out implant only recon. I told him that's what I wanted, and he said I could have "any procedure I wanted at any time." I feel like he led me down the garden path a bit.

    Moonflwr, since the PS I saw in June told me about the issues with rads, I've been doing a lot of reading, and everything confirms what he said. I'm just still really bummed about it. I'm having a hard time wrapping my head around cutting up a perfectly good body part to build a boob. I'm running out of good body parts. I wanted the least invasive surgery possible, but it's not to be. I plan on asking about fat grafting, as well as about 30 other questions, when I see him again next week. 

    I am glad to hear from a number of you who say your PS didn't say a bra was essential and that you're doing fine without wearing one or at least not all the time. Sorry, DiveCat, but to me the one and only bright side to this whole breast cancer mess has been not having to wear a bra, and I want to keep it that way. I don't know if mine were never the right size. I tried different sizes. I was approximately a 36A. Actually, I'd have been a 35A if they'd made such a thing. I tried 34s and 36s both As and Bs. I never filled out a B so I'm pretty sure I wasn't going with too small a cup size. 34s were always too tight, and I'd end up with a push-up bra look. So I'd get a 36A with as little extra stuff (padding, wires, etc) as possible. I had good luck with those stretchy light weight one size fits "all" bras and sports bras, but am more comfortable without. I hate it when I sweat, and the bra gets all clammy.  I really only needed a minor amount of stabilization. Even at 56 I wasn't drooping since I didn't have children. In fact, my boobs were always the one part of my body that I was completely happy with. Sigh. The fitters at the fake boob store tried their best to get me something I'd find comfortable. They failed. Some are better than others, but none are great. If I don't absolutely have to wear one, I'll probably only do so if I wear something really clingy that looks odd without one. (Hooray for tabbies! My current 2 are Ginger and Cinnamon, the Spice Girls. I love all kitties.)

    Dee, have you been happy with your lat flaps? I'm pretty nervous about messing with the lat muscle, but now I've had two PSs recommend it. I'm still going to explore other options before I decide. I feel like all the choices are bad, and I'm stuck between the proverbial rock and hard place. I hate the way I look flat, but also hate the thought of any of these procedures. However, at least it sounds like I won't have to wear a bra! :-)

  • DiveCat
    DiveCat Member Posts: 968
    edited August 2014

    Wearing wrong band size can result in cups that are the wrong size feeling too big...or too small :) Band size is based off your ribcage measurement and should be very close to it (eg 29" ribcage would usually be a 30 band), cup size is based off difference between ribcage and over bust (eg 1" is A, 2" a B, 3" a D and so on)...a 34B is same volume of cup as a 36A, or a 32C, etc. 34A/B or 36A/B are actually very rare sizes.....but you wouldn't know it by being "fitted" at most places (Victoria Secret loves to incorrectly put women in 34Bs for some reason!). There should be any of that +4 for band size nonsense and such.

    But, if you are more comfortable without a bra now, I think it is doable you can be after surgery too. It does depend on your PS as to their recommendations, but even then, it is always up to you. The PS does not come home with you to enforce bra rules, ha! With analogous flap reconstruction, you don't have to worry about implant migration anyway so that would be a plus. 

    For clingy stuff, if you do want something, you could look at Coobie bras? They are really lightweight, stretchy, comfortable, and cute. 

    The Spice Girls, too cute! I don't (and am not) having kids either and our kitty is definitely our spoiled rotten baby :)

  • GG27
    GG27 Member Posts: 2,128
    edited August 2014

    2Tabbies,

    I am very happy with my lat flaps.  I had a couple of revisions done after the initial surgery to remove some excess skin under my arms & some lumpy bits at the bottom of the back incisions.  But other than those little out patient things, it's been a good experience for me.  I didn't go too big & gave the surgery time to sort itself out afterward.  As my PS says, it is a major surgery & you need to give it a lot of time to sort itself out.  If you aren't a patient person this may not be the surgery for you.

    I did my fills very slowly, taking 7 months to do them.  The whole process took me a year.  If you have any specific questions, please don't hesitate to ask them here or a PM.  Dee

  • bren3
    bren3 Member Posts: 38
    edited August 2014


    I was told I never had to wear a bra either, except to wear a sports bra when I exercise. So I only wear a light pull on style bra when the top I'm wearing has a low neckline and is loose. I don't want to accidentally flash anyone. I love not having to wear bras anymore!!

  • Rose_d
    Rose_d Member Posts: 144
    edited August 2014

    Interesting thread, I never realized what different advice we were all getting from our PS! Mine said never again to an underwire and that I should wear something while exercising.

    I wear a cami like tank top every day.  I tried to wear a soft cup bra in the beginning but found it very uncomfortable early on, I think because of the lack of feeling which went all the way around to my back.  I wear a low support sports bra while exercising.

    If I'm wearing a sundress or something strappy I just go without a bra and have never had a problem.

    I had quite large breasts before surgery so this is a huge change for me.  It used to be that a bra went on before I even brushed my teeth in the morning!

    Also, I had rads and traditional implants.  My surgeon (sloan kettering) does the exchange from the tissue expanders to the implants before rads (after chemo ends).  I can see that the radiated breast is slightly higher than the other one but I don't think anyone else can notice.  It's also less 'bouncy' to the touch. So I there is definitely a difference in the quality of the skin but to the casual observer it looks fine.  My doc tells me I had an amazing result.  

    I have a bit of a worry about what might happen if the implant ever has to be replaced down the road, but I guess we will cross that bridge when we get to it.

    I am 2 years out from my final exchange to implants.

    Rose

  • 2Tabbies
    2Tabbies Member Posts: 984
    edited August 2014

    DiveCat, you must have a PhD in bras! I did the rib cage measurement vs bust measurement deal, but still never found anything that I worked except the "one size" bras. You're spot on with the Coobies. A friend gave me one, and with my light weight microbead forms, it's the most comfortable bra I have. Of course, because there's no weight to hold it down, it tends to ride up. Sigh. To quote Roseanne Rosannadanna, it's always something! If anybody else likes Coobies, I found these Anemone bras on Amazon. They are identical to the Coobie that I have but a lot cheaper. They are literally the same bra with a different name. 

    I probably will have some procedure that includes implants most likely the lat flap. Unless I get some different information when I talk to the PS next week, it sounded like the least of multiple evils. I guess my PS snugs things up enough that migration isn't an issue since he said I wouldn't have to wear a bra. I'll ask him about it.

  • 2Tabbies
    2Tabbies Member Posts: 984
    edited August 2014

    GG27, I don't have a lot of options for procedures unfortunately. I can't have what I wanted (just implants), and I'm not a candidate for the abdominal procedures even if I did want one of those. I really didn't want a flap at all. I wanted to keep all currently functional body parts intact. But that's not an option if I want boobs. It sounds like the lat flap will be the least troublesome with the shortest recovery from the initial surgery. My PS said it will be about 18 months from start to finish so I'm prepared for that. I'm sure I'll get impatient and annoyed and just want it to be over, but at least I know up front that it will be a long haul. But who knows, maybe he's got some other trick up his sleeve that I don't know about. I want to ask about the TDAP which takes a flap of skin and fat from the back but no muscle. That's my issue with the lat flap - repurposing a big muscle so it's not doing the job God and nature intended it to do. I'm glad to hear you've had a good experience with this procedure. Do you have any loss of upper body strength or pain in your back? That's my biggest fear.

  • GG27
    GG27 Member Posts: 2,128
    edited August 2014

    2Tabbies, It took quite a while for me to get my upper body strength back with quite a bit of exercise, 5 lb weights, etc.  I think this is partly why a lot of women don't like the lat flap procedure as it gives you an odd sensation til the muscles relax.  Honestly it took a long time, but I am pleased with the outcome.  The only pain in my back is from my bone mets, not from the lat flap procedure.  I was so worried about how I was going to make out with incisions front & back, but I never ever noticed the back ones.   After you have completely healed there is still the odd feeling when you lift something heavy & your "breast" muscles (meaning the lats that are now in front) flex along with all the other muscles.  DH calls it my parlor tricks because I can make my "breasts" move up & down at will.  Sorry if this is TMI, but I figure you want to know all the pros & cons!! :)

  • 2Tabbies
    2Tabbies Member Posts: 984
    edited August 2014

    GG27, it's not TMI at all. That's exactly the type of thing I want to know. Thanks for the input. I bet you can be a real hit at parties if you want. ;-)  I just hope I'll have enough upper body strength to haul myself up the ladder out of the swimming pool when I'm healed enough to swim. Swimming saves my sanity.

  • GG27
    GG27 Member Posts: 2,128
    edited August 2014

    2Tabbies,  I can't imagine that you wouldn't be able to climb out of the pool.  I have just finished building a rock wall using quite large rocks, I helped DH lift heavy garage doors into place etc, etc.... I did some light weight lifting to strengthen my body before I had the surgery.  I waited almost a year after rads to start the recon process.  If you swim you probably have good upper body strength.  As for the party trick, only very, very close friends know the talents I have!! ;)  Dee

  • 2Tabbies
    2Tabbies Member Posts: 984
    edited August 2014

    GG27, all of that is good to know. Thank you. My surgery is currently scheduled for November. That will be about about 9 1/2 months after finishing rads.One of the things I'm going to ask the PS next week is whether there would be any benefit to waiting longer. I'm working on really getting in shape before then, but I still haven't built back up to the strength I had before cancer treatment started. I'm not an athlete by any stretch, but I stay active. It just boggles my mind that the biggest muscle in the body can be removed from it's intended purpose without ill effects.

    I hope you didn't pinch your fingers building your rock wall as much as I did when we built one!

  • sarahjane7374
    sarahjane7374 Member Posts: 669
    edited August 2014

    My sister had a lat flap after her implant failed due to rads.  She's fine now, and has no loss of strength or other limitations. 

    BTW - I can do the parlor trick too.  I've been practicing and I am pretty good at moving them independently of one another now.  I haven't really shown anyone yet.  I guess I'm waiting for a perfect opportunity to display my new skill.

  • GG27
    GG27 Member Posts: 2,128
    edited August 2014

    2Tabbies, They don't remove the muscle, they take part of it & move to the front subdermally.  My PS never explained to me how they did it & I didn't ask.  But my primary Dr explained it all to me & showed me how the muscle worked.    No pinched fingers with the rock wall but I did drop a large rock on my arm & the pharmacist kept looking sharply at my DH & the big bruise on my arm.... :)

    sarahjane, Independently is the only way I can move them, I'm simply not talented enough to co-ordinate them! 

  • 2Tabbies
    2Tabbies Member Posts: 984
    edited August 2014

    GG27, I phrased that badly. I know they don't remove the muscle. What I meant was they move it so that it's not doing the job  it was designed for (i.e.  moving the arm and shoulder). Instead it's forming a pocket for the implant.  I've read about it and watched videos of the procedure so I have a general idea of how they do it. What I don't know is if my PS does the "muscle sparing" version where only part of the lat is used. Another question I need to ask him. 

    To muddy the waters further, I had another person say to me today that their boyfriend's sister had this procedure and now is in constant pain and has no strength in that arm. Arrrgh. I hope your experience is more the norm. I also wish people would get it into their heads that this isn't about how other people think I look or whether my family/friends still love me even with a flat chest. That is irrelevant. I don't like how I look. I think I do not look like a normal human female. Yes, this time it's all about me. I couldn't give a rip if everyone else thinks I look fabulous. Not that they'd tell me if they think I look bad. They are polite and don't want to hurt my feelings after all. Just a little rant there. :-) I need one every day or two.

  • 2Tabbies
    2Tabbies Member Posts: 984
    edited August 2014

    Sarahjane, you are apparently quite talented!

  • GG27
    GG27 Member Posts: 2,128
    edited August 2014

    2Tabbies,  Sounds like you know exactly what you want.  I think that sometimes friends & family don't want us to go through any more pain or discomfort & think that maybe we're only doing it for societal reasons & want you to know that you look wonderful the way you are.  I too didn't like the way I looked in clothes or not.  I am a fairly "girly girl" and I didn't want to be reminded every day of BC.   When I was flat I found that I was very self conscious of how I looked.

    I know that there are quite a few women who are not happy with the lat flap.  I don't know if it's the skill of the PS, bad luck or whatever.  I personally know 2 other women who have had lat flap & are both as happy & active as I am.  One I am meeting for lunch today & I will ask her if she has any of the issues that you have heard about.  GG

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