Starting Chemo in April 2014

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  • brigadoonbenson
    brigadoonbenson Member Posts: 412
    edited August 2014

    Swissmiss - have you tried cutting down on carbs for your hot flashes?  I find that mine are much worse the more carbs I eat, especially after 3 PM.  Just a thought.


     

  • EverForward
    EverForward Member Posts: 242
    edited August 2014

    Hello chemo sisters. Just checking in to see how everyone is doing. Are the PFC ladies regaining their strength? Any stories of new hair growth to share? I'm 5 days PFC and the worst of the aches and pains is done. Now I'm just dealing with the typical tummy/digestive issues and the fatigue fatigue fatigue. The last infusion was an emotional roller coaster. Seriously, I felt like I was bipolar - one minute scared to death and anxious about having to do this again, the next minute so happy that this was the last one. I've stabilized emotionally for the most part. I just need to make it through the next few days and then I'm off to California to visit my family and my cabin for a glorious 2 weeks. 

    You ladies have been my strength and sanity through all of this. This has been my safe place, my venting place, and my I can't be strong anymore place. We are getting through this, even on those days when it doesn't feel like it. Hugs to you all.

  • Swissmiss
    Swissmiss Member Posts: 111
    edited August 2014

    brigadoon...coincidently, I found a website that suggested reducing caffeine and carbs for hot flashes.  Of course, I just had toast for breakfast (along with a hot flash!), but I'm going to give it a try.  Reducing carbs might help me lose this steroid belly too ;)

  • brigadoonbenson
    brigadoonbenson Member Posts: 412
    edited August 2014

    Swiss.  Let me know how it goes.  I just know it works for me.  If I have spaghetti, garlic bread and dessert I might as well kiss a comfortable night good-bye.


     

  • SharonDe
    SharonDe Member Posts: 222
    edited August 2014

    Everforward - I can report fatigue is still here for me at 6 weeks PFC, but it is much improved from the first few weeks. Hair - what's that?  I do have little sprouts popping up, but still looking pretty much like a cabbage patch doll with no hair.  Patience, I guess.

    Swiss and Brigadoon - thx for the info on carbs and coffee.  I had spaghetti for dinner last night - and had a terrible night!  Now I know better.

  • MakeLemonade
    MakeLemonade Member Posts: 153
    edited August 2014

    Got to go away this weekend to an agility trial 5 hours away AND got to see my younger son whom I haven't seen since Easter.  Hubby drove the RV so I got to sleep almost the whole drive there.  I was SO tired on Thursday due to steroid crash from treatment on Tuesday.  Each day got better and better in terms of my head clearing and general energy level.  I went back to the RV mid day each day and slept as there is still a lot of fatigue. I am trial secretary for agility trials, so needed to be there but didn't run my dog.  That is going to have to wait for several more months :-). 

    Even though I did talk about cancer as there were so many people that hadn't seen me for months and most didn't "know", it also felt good to talk dogs and agility again and be somewhere other than in bed, on the couch or in a medical facility :-). Just like a "normal" person :-)

    While I was getting my Herceptin last week, several of us were commenting that we had the same "hair style". One of the gals must have had a reoccurrence as this was her second time having to go through chemo :-(   She said that last time it took about 3 months before she had enough hair to go out without something on her head".  

    Feels so good to know that as the SE from last week's treatment subside, that it is the last time I have to deal with them! :-)

  • brigadoonbenson
    brigadoonbenson Member Posts: 412
    edited August 2014

    Here is something I have used as a dessert that doesn't interfere with my sleep.  You would have to like blue cheese dressing but if you do, I can tell you this is really delicious.  I came up with it when I was on Atkins. 

    1 apple, diced.  1 t to T of blue cheese dressing (depending on size of apple),  cinnamon to taste.  I sometimes add raisins but usually not.   I know it sounds crazy but I love it.  I crave it.

  • ColdInCanada
    ColdInCanada Member Posts: 95
    edited August 2014

    Ladies! I hope you are all well. I wanted to check in and see how everyone is doing. As always, my thoughts and prayers are with those in the chair and visiting that awful Dark Place.

    I am a little over 3 weeks PFC, and I'm happy to report that the Chemo Brain is nearly gone. Hooray! I also have some very fine, very WHITE stubbles all over my head. It's very little, but it's there! It's also all over my legs, which means I'll have to start shaving again. Dang. :) Also my taste buds are back to normal - so coffee and I are BFFs again. So Awesome!

    UNFORTUNATELY, I am still dealing with the deep muscle pain. Every single morning I wake up feeling like I've competed in an Iron Man the day before. It got really bad after Round 4 and hasn't let up, so basically I've been in pain for 9 weeks and counting. My MO tells me this is normal and to give it time. Apparently it could last for another couple of months. Yowch! To make things worse, I've gained a total of 17lbs throughout chemo. I was told that half of it is likely water weight, and again, it will "just take time." But some of it is the result of carb overload and no activity. And I can't exercise because of the muscle pain. I've been taking tortoise-paced walks, but that's all I can manage. SOOO frustrating. Some lingering tummy issues too. GAH. Why did I think that the end of chemo meant a magical transformation to feeling fabulous?

    Can you see how impatient I am? I KNOW it takes the body time to heal after pumping it full of poison for months. But I WANT IT NOW. Like Veruca Salt: "I want an Oopma Loompa Daddy! I want it NOW!"

    Loopy

    ANYWAY, I had my first Only Herceptin treatment this past Friday and everything went well. I can honestly say there were no side effects. I was a little more sleepy that night than usual, but other than that...nothing. What an amazing feeling to walk into and out of the Chemo Lounge knowing that the Dark Place wasn't waiting for me! 

    A friend shared this with me on FB, and I thought I'd pass it on to you. We are SO much STRONGER than we think. 

    Run like a Girl, Swing like a Girl, FIGHT like a Girl. Damn straight! 

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    Take care Ladies! 

  • Timbuktu
    Timbuktu Member Posts: 1,906
    edited August 2014

    It's after 2 am and I've slept almost all day.

    I went to the onco today.  She had told me 3 infusions were enough.  I fought her and had 5 but this last one was rough.  Terrible palpitations and feeling faint, neuropathy that was so painful it woke me from a dead sleep.  So I decided 5 was enough.  I thought this would make her happy.  Instead...she said that tumor markers (the ones she told me to ignore) had come down so much during chemo that she was worried about another malignancy!  She didn't want me to not have the sixth infusion because if it comes back I might have regrets!  I just sat there dumbfounded.  I had psyched myself up for three weeks, going back and forth until I thought I could not endure one more infusion.  This is my second go round with chemo.  And I felt I was going against drs orders which is very very stressful!  All along she told me the tumor markers were meaningless.  Now they can be a sign of another cancer and she didnt' want to explain it to me.

    So here I am, after sleeping all day and night from total exhaustion, and I'm sick at heart.  What to do?

    I've never had a dr like this before.  She changes her mind so many times!  And in a way, I think that may be because she cares.  But how can I make the decision?  She even asked my husband what he thought.

    That annoyed him, how should he know?  All we know is that I've been through an awful lot.  And I asked about that sixth dose of carboplatin and how dangerous it is.  She said it can happen at any time but more often after the sixth.  

    Anyway, this is not a nice way to end chemo.  she wants to see me in 3 months, to see if the tumor markers (the meaningless ones) go up.  I have an app with my surgeon at Sloan in September and I'm glad of that.

    Especially now!

  • Swissmiss
    Swissmiss Member Posts: 111
    edited August 2014

    Timbuktu...I'm so sorry about this situation.  I wish I could say something that would help make sense of it.  ((Hugs)). I am glad you went against doctors orders and endured the two extra infusions...if you hadn't, and these "meaningless" tumor markers made their appearance you'd have regrets.  Your instincts are good, but I do wish your MO made you feel more confident in her decisions.  Maybe ask her to have a colleague take a look at your file, or see another MO before you see her in three months.  

  • Timbuktu
    Timbuktu Member Posts: 1,906
    edited August 2014

    Thanks Swissmiss.  You make a lot of sense.  Imagine if I'd listened to her and only had 3 infusions?

    I don't know why she didn't tell me these things earlier.  I really feel as though this is too much,

  • MomMom
    MomMom Member Posts: 523
    edited August 2014


    Timbuktu,  So so sorry that you are having to endure all this uncertainty.  After all, we are NOT the experts.  The MOs should give us a plan with confidence that it's the best possible plan for us.  I agree with Swissmiss that you might consider getting a second opinion outside of the practice you are in.  Or, ask your MO to have another doc in the practice look at your records and offer his/her opinion.  If your MO is the only one in the practice that specializes in bc, then I would go elsewhere.  A good doctor should never be offended by another getting a second opinion.

    Will be keeping you in my prayers.  Hang in there.

     

  • Timbuktu
    Timbuktu Member Posts: 1,906
    edited August 2014

    Believe it or not it helps a lot just to be understood!  The world seems so topsy turvy when these things happen but the people on here are so grounded.  I just have to find the emotional strength to do anything.  I feel as though this has done me in and I'm done, no matter what anyone says.  Maybe it will take a few days to get my footing

  • MJ1966
    MJ1966 Member Posts: 8
    edited August 2014

    The thing that bothers me the most is that your oncologist didn't want to explain it to you.

    1) How can you make good decisions if you don't have good information?

    2)it's your body and you make the decision

    3) you are paying him/her so they are your "employee" 

  • EverForward
    EverForward Member Posts: 242
    edited August 2014

    Timbuktu, sorry you're having to make such a tough decision. But you don't have to make it right this minute, do you? Maybe take some time to let this settle before making that call. Never make a big decision when you're in the dark place. I agree a second opinion is never a bad idea, especially if your MO is unsure. Hugs. Let us know how this goes.

  • Timbuktu
    Timbuktu Member Posts: 1,906
    edited August 2014

    She told me I had until today to decide.  My husband was really angry too, that she didn't want to explain.

    I really can't process this so quickly.  I thought I was going against her orders in having more infusions and that I was compromising by cutting it short by one.  And now she's saying I should have all 6?  And the sixth is most likely to create the life threatening reaction.  IT's just all too much!  It helps that you guys understand, truly because it's crazy making.  I'd been psyching myself up to do the "right thing" and not have the sixth and now she's turned the tables on me.

    BTW, initially I did get 3 opinions.  Sloan said no chemo.  Anderson said no chemo.  She was the only one who said "chemo".  Then I went back to sloan and the onco there changed her opinion and said "chemo, all 6".  So I went back to my local onco and here I am. 

    I'm really at a loss and you are so right, I am in a dark place and I don't trust myself to decide.  Of course I want to feel better, physically.  But I want to do the right thing for the long run.  Something she has been pressuring me NOT to do.  

    Thanks for the support.

  • clarrn
    clarrn Member Posts: 557
    edited August 2014

    Boo on that Timbuktu :(  Big hugs!  That is too quick to decide.   When would #6 be?  Could you say yes and then cancel on short notice? As everyone else said a second opinion seems extremely reasonable to me with the way things have gone.  Do you have a nurse navigator you could call who would advocate for you?  It frustratl

  • Timbuktu
    Timbuktu Member Posts: 1,906
    edited August 2014

    The sixth should have been yesterday.  The nurse just called and told me my tumor markers are way down.

    She said that was good but of course I'm wondering if it's because the chemo is working on something.

    My husband, without telling me, had called and asked for the name of the disease she mentioned.  That was sweet of him.  

    The nurse said that I'd made a reasonable decision.  That I've been through a lot.

    She's a sweet young girl but of course no one really knows.

    The dr really did not handle this well....  

  • mmtagirl
    mmtagirl Member Posts: 509
    edited August 2014

    hello everyone,

    Timbuktu I am so sorry you are dealing with this.  Sorry, I missed what reaction you Re worried about with a 6th treatment?  I am not familiar with that and wish I had some words of wisdom for you.  I truly don't think you can make a wrong decision and with whatever path you take, embrace it and never look back.  I know, easier said than done.

    Well,I got the best birthday surprise today from my MO appointment before my taxol #7.  He said I'd didn't have to do the last cycle of 3 taxol.  So, I have two more weeks and I am DONE!  The first round of Taxotere makes up for the one cycle of taxol.  I had my required 4 rounds of cytoxan and the extra bonus of 3 adriamycin. Doc doesn't think their is any added benefit to continue past 9.  I am thrilled!

    I will start tami in September and stay on it until it is confirmed I am past menopause and move to an AI.

    So close! Even the dark place dpi am sure to be headed for tomorrow is not so dark!

    Wishing everyone the best!

  • Timbuktu
    Timbuktu Member Posts: 1,906
    edited August 2014

    Cold had a bad reaction to the sixth carboplatan.  I asked my onco nurse about it and she said yes, it can be life threatening.  As I had been advised not to have chemo as well as to have chemo I thought I should probably skip the sixth infusion, especially since I'm struggling so with side effects.  But now I'm not so sure.

    Does anyone else have tumor markers going down with chemo?

  • brigadoonbenson
    brigadoonbenson Member Posts: 412
    edited August 2014

    Timbuktu - Mine went from 144 to 31.  My Onc was excited about it but I am just on Taxol/.

  • Blueberry4
    Blueberry4 Member Posts: 98
    edited August 2014

    hi brigadoon, I remember that you were an outlander fan. How did you like the new book?  I loved it. A friend went to see Dianna Galbaldon speak and , feeling bad I could not go, she got me a signed copy addressed to me.  Did you see the new shoe on starz? What did you think?  Has anyone else watched the show?

    Timbuktu, I'm sorry you are facing this decision. I would say yes to doing it, then get the second opinion. You can always cancel #6 if you need to. 

    I'm on the chair having taxol #4. 

    Be well everybody!

  • Timbuktu
    Timbuktu Member Posts: 1,906
    edited August 2014

    I think I'm coming round to having to do it. My highest tumor marker was in the 50s if I remember correctly.

    Now it's 12.  I have to calm down and think rationally about what this means.  Not easy!

    Thanks for the input!

  • Jaimieh
    Jaimieh Member Posts: 2,373
    edited August 2014

    Timbuktu is that you Ca125 number ??

    Number 10 is in the books!  Did I mention that I NEED hair, sooner rather than later. 

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  • SharonDe
    SharonDe Member Posts: 222
    edited August 2014

    Congrats on almost being done, mmtagirl.

    Hope everything goes well with Taxol No. 4, Blueberry.

    Timbuktu - it's so unfair that you have to go through this.  Whatever you decide, I hope you demand to talk to your MO and have her explain her cryptic comments, and have her tell you what she's going to do about easing your mind.  The worst part of this whole experience (at least for me) was all the unknown at the beginning.  Your MO seems to be continuously putting you through this all over again - even if she means well.

    Adding, Congrats on No. 10, Jaimieh.  Hey, at least you are beautiful with no hair!

  • brigadoonbenson
    brigadoonbenson Member Posts: 412
    edited August 2014

    Blueberry -loved the book.  Can't wait for the next one.  My favorite place for them to be is the mountain (if they can't be at Lallybroch).   

    I watched the first episode on the computer and wasn't sure of I liked the actor playing Claire but when it was s on Sat.  I enjoyed the whole thing.  This production and story are so much a part of the scenery that a bigger screen is important.  (IMHO).  

    What was your opinion?

  • Timbuktu
    Timbuktu Member Posts: 1,906
    edited August 2014

    Yes, it was the CA 125 number.  I just got my other labs and my hemoglobin has dropped from 11 to 9, I think that explains a lot about how I'm feeling and it's a vote against.    Glucose is over 200 without the steroids.  I'm a mess!

    I have to calm down and discuss this with her.  

    Jaimeh, you are so beautiful!

  • Swissmiss
    Swissmiss Member Posts: 111
    edited August 2014

    I am a new Outlander fan, and I started reading the series because of the discussion on this board :) I'm currently reading Drums of Autumn.  It is truly the most engaging series I've read in years...I'm in love with everything about it!  Of course, I watched the first episode of the tv series, and I must say it was very good!  It looks authentic, and although some of the actors were not quite what I imagined, they will do just fine for this new fan :) I just want to say thank you to those who introduced me to Outlander; it is one of the few positive things I feel I'm taking away from my BC journey.  Where would I be without you all? 

  • Blueberry4
    Blueberry4 Member Posts: 98
    edited August 2014

    Whenever I read Outlander books I feel like I'm stopping in to visit my old friends Claire and Jamie and their families. The story is so robust and the world so well created that it just comes alive even with chemo brain. I'm so glad you like it, Swissmiss. I really liked the show but wish they had done less voice over. But the imagery and story are spot on, I will keep watching. I wish they released it like House of Cards so we could binge watch. 

    Well wishes to all for no SEs and no pain. 

  • clarrn
    clarrn Member Posts: 557
    edited August 2014

    Pre chemo appt today, bloodwork is good but my MO is not happy that the neuropathy in my feet has remained constant despite the dose decrease.  Down to 75% of the dose for Taxol tomorrow and then a week off.  If no improvement then chemo is OVER.  I feel weird.  I won't know if tomorrow is my last chemo until a few weeks after.  And of course I worry about not finishing but also that my feet will be half numb forever.  What a mix of emotions, I just feel like having a big cry about it (and I love that I don't have to explain that to any of you)  And as great as my timing seems to go, my best girlfriend moves 14 hours away Friday and tonight is the last time we see each other.  I should bring a whole box of kleenex.  :)

    Comic relief:  Today as I was laying on the exam table and the nurse practitioner was doing the liver check thing, she was like "um, do you know you have panties in your pants?"  and I'm thinking "of course I am wearing panties!"  Then she shows me the pair of panties....  Early this morning I had grabbed my still sleeping daughter and tucked her in the car in her pjs.  She wears a pull up at night and I had grabbed a pair of underwear for her to put on at grandmas when she really woke up.  I didn't have pockets and my arms were full with her so I tucked them into my pants elastic at my hip and was planning on putting them in the diaper bag when I got to the car.  And that's where I totally forgot about them.  Until the nurse practitioner discovered them.  LOL  chemo brain!  SO glad she found them before my MO.  I would have turned a million shades of red.  He is according to my husband "hot"  and I would have been mortified.  hehe.    Couldn't stop giggling enough for her to actually check my liver for a few minutes. ;)

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