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  • missy6758703
    missy6758703 Member Posts: 218
    edited July 2014

    haha Lisa, I will do my best to keep us as the top beer drinking state!! :)  

    I really didn't start the redness from the rads until AFTER i was done.....i got it from the front and the back because I did have positive nodes.  I don't think my back would have gotten so bad if I would have taken care of it more while going through it all....i didn't even know they were doing my back shoulder area until almost the end! I didn't know the beams would go through the table but I guess thats why its a big slab of uncomfortable glass! Oh the things we have all learned through this.  

    Ladies, I know you all are wanting PET scans, and I guess I am too.....and i'm actually getting one on August 11th, but now i'm freaking out and scared to death to have it.  I feel there would be some "signs" or symptoms if it had spread, and if it had spread, wouldn't my tumor markers be high instead of low? I'm certain my lungs must be fine as many scans as they have done on the top part of my body during radiation.  My tumor grade was a 2 and my KI 67 score was only a 5% so although i had quite a few nodes involved, there were some good things in that it wasn't a high grade tumor or a high ki 67 score which Mayo is a strong believer in.  The higher the score the higher the chance of recurrence.  I just need to quit overthinking everything I think....and whatever will be will be.  If there is any other areas, well then we just take care of it, right? ugh.....must have positive thinking............must have positive thinking..........must have positive thinking......

    Good night to all!! 

    Michelle

  • oranje_mama
    oranje_mama Member Posts: 260
    edited July 2014

    Kimie, congrats on the weight loss!

    And Lisa, so nice isn't it, not to have to go to rads!  We are doing a big road trip, going to Niagara Falls and then spending a week in the Adirondacks on Indian Lake.  Hoping to escape DC heat/humidity!  (although I can't complain, we are having unseasonably beautiful weather this week!)

    On the plus side, my skin came through rads with flying colors.  I have hyper sensitive skin, prone to excema, rashes, sunburns . . . RO said that doesn't correlate with the reaction to rads and she was right.  Redness on my chest is basically gone (1 week after finishing rads) and only the boost/tumor bed site is red.  I do have soreness and pinging at the tumor site but not too bad.  Been lucky too with range of motion - docs say that swimming probably is perfect antidote for keeping up range of motion.

    On the minus side, fatigue has been worse for me now that I'm done with rads.  I am not sleeping well - I fall asleep easily, but then I'm up really early (today it was 2am and didn't really fall back asleep until 5:45 or so with the alarm set for 6 . . .)  I think that the lack of sleep is a major contributor to the fatigue.  I am still swimming and I do great in the pool.  But after practice I'm exhausted.  Really have to drag myself around all day.  I still have full body aches - muscles and joints.  Probably still chemo aftereffects with some rads effects thrown in.   

    I'm thinking about postponing starting Tamoxifen until I feel more normal (MO rec is to start after completing rads).  I have my doubts about Tamoxifen for me in general - my path report from the core biopsy stated 15% ER+, <5% PR+.  The standard guideline for Tam is that if you are 1%+, they prescribe you Tam.  But I read a recent report (http://annonc.oxfordjournals.org/content/25/5/1004) from some MD Anderson researchers that seems to show that Tam has no benefit on cancers which are 0-9%ER+.  They used 10% as a cut-off not because it's a magic number, but because it was a retrospective study. I'm still getting Herceptin, which all of my docs keep emphasizing is the key thing for me.  So, thinking about waiting until I'm done with H before trying Tam.  I'm willing to try Tam and see how I feel, but if I go on it still feeling the way I do now, how will I know if what I'm feeling is chemo/rads SEs or Tam SEs?

    Sometimes it feels like the dilemmas/choices never end with this #$%^$# disease.

  • keepthefaith
    keepthefaith Member Posts: 2,156
    edited July 2014

    Hi ladies!

    Good to read your posts and glad that some of you are getting away for a vacation. Post some pics! 

    I read in Susan Love's book that SE's take as long to diminish as it took you to get through treatment. I guess that's probably true. I don't feel fatigued, but just not energetic. I def need more sleep than I used to.  

    Michelle, try not to stress too much about your upcoming tests. I know, easier said than done. My 3 mo ck ups/mammo are rt around the corner; I guess maybe my left-over Xanax will come in handy, if I need it! Congrats on your weight loss!!! I can't seem to lose a pound. I guess I need to move more than  30 mins/day...duh.

    My SE's from Tam are hot flashes once in a while...so far, so good. 

    I hope you all have a great week! 

  • jbokland
    jbokland Member Posts: 890
    edited July 2014

    My MO Said PET scans are not indicated afterward and a ton of radiation. He will watch my labs or if I complain of a pain more than two week before he would subject me to it.  However, if I was completely freaking out and insisted, he would order.  

    Geez, I would hope after all this chemo nothing would survive!!

    Remember, PET scan pick up tumors larger than a cm only. 

  • RHGSR
    RHGSR Member Posts: 774
    edited July 2014

    Lisa- I do remember that missed trip to San Antonio. Yes! Let me know if you plan another one.
    Barbara – I really enjoyed that article on the Fitbit. It was really funny. Made me smile.
    Thanks to all the ladies who offer the Fitbit and ACV advice. Hopefully going to get to the store this week to get the ACV. We'll see what happens.

    Followed up with my RO today. Skin looks good.  And I have lost 4 pounds! So excited! Been drinking lots of water, writing down what I eat, walking, and going to physical therapy.  My plastic surgeon said that the more weight I can drop before this next surgery the better the results will be.  I see him for a postop follow-up this week too. I believe at that time will schedule phase 2b of reconstruction. I think he's looking at the end of September beginning of October. 

    Not trying to starve myself or anything. Just trying to be a little healthier.

  • RHGSR
    RHGSR Member Posts: 774
    edited July 2014

    Who was saying something about the KI-67. Was it on this board?


    Jodi- are you are you done?

  • kjfromca
    kjfromca Member Posts: 283
    edited July 2014

    Hi ladies - 

    Catching up on your posts.  I went to my MO today because I have been having back issues for about a month now and I have my upcoming breast reduction surgery Aug. 15.  Anyway, they did a CBC yesterday.  My labs are great  My MO said that if I had bone cancer that I would have elevated levels (I can't remember which one) .... anyway my levels are great.  Also, she read my PET from Oct. which had no evidence of cancer in my bones.  She said that she would order me a bone scan if I was really stressing about it, but she thinks it's muscles.  I am going to wait.  I think that having to wear my prosthetic so that my boobs match is really throwing my back off.  Since I cannot have a MRI due to the TE expander, I will be having a 3D mammo.    

    Michelle - I think that your labs would show some elevation in something if you had cancer anywhere else.  However, I understand your feelings re the PET in Aug.  If my back still is bothering me after surgery when I see my MO in Sept., I will ask for that bone scan.   Sending a hug your way... now that I know that you work for Delta Vacations, you need to keep us posted on good vacation deals.... I say you plan a trip for all of us...

    Oranje - I still battle fatigue.  Thank God for coffee in the morning.   If it's any help, I have been on Tamoxifen for 3 mos now and don't have anything negative to say about it so far.... I also think that our sleep disruption has a lot to do with our lack of estrogen.     I say try Tamox., it can't hurt.   If I remember right, I had a couple of weeks break between rads and starting the Tamox.  Maybe wait until you are back from vacation.  

    Keepthefaith - I am glad to hear that you aren't having problems with the Tamoxifen so far.

    Kimmie - Congrats on the weight loss.

  • aff
    aff Member Posts: 279
    edited July 2014

    I start Tamoxifen today...UGH!  Just picked up the prescription a few hours ago. Also halfway through rads today, 14 of 28. MO wanted to isolate any SE from rads before starting Tami. So far so good, no rads SE. Slightly pink with a darker shade of pink to the superclav area. No fatigue. I've been chasing my 11 and 12 year olds everywhere without issue. Hopefully this will continue for the rest of the summer. I am a bit anxious about the Tamoxifen but will continue to stay positive as I was through chemo and now rads. 

    Hope everyone is well. 

  • missy6758703
    missy6758703 Member Posts: 218
    edited July 2014

    It was me talking about the Ki67......When my surgeon was going through the pathology report with me at Mayo Clinic she was super excited about the very low number that my Ki67 score came in at....it was 5% out of 100%.  From what they explained to me they look very closely at this number in gauging to aggressiveness of the cancer and the chance of recurrence.   I never had an oncotype score done...but i did read this is part of the oncotype testing.  Anybody else have this test done as part of path report?  

  • keepthefaith
    keepthefaith Member Posts: 2,156
    edited July 2014

    Yes, Lisa, let us know if you come to CTX area. 

    Kim, so glad you got good reports! I'm curious to see if my rad place will have 3D now. Will find out soon enough. 

    way to go Holli!

    aff, good luck with your rads and Tam. 

    Great low score Michelle! I also had a ki-67score on my path report, and it was high if I remember correctly, but my onco score came back intermediate and tumor was Grade 2, so who knows? I try not to worry too much about it. I can only do what I can do and leave the rest to God. 

    I'm sure they are good tools when trying to determine treatment, but beyond that, I  try not to focus too much on it. There are so many pieces of the puzzle.  So my RX is healthier diet, exercise more, stress less...enjoy each day as it comes...And, of course, come here often to get my fill of good company from those that "get it"!

  • Lisaj514
    Lisaj514 Member Posts: 719
    edited July 2014

    I'm going to ask if I had a Ki67 score but don't know if it was done, may not tell anything or bad appropriate for TNBC but like keepthefaith, nothing we can do about it one and may just make me stress more.

    It's been 2 days now WITH NO RADS OR MEDICAL APPTS! Had a massage and went to yoga today...that's all! Tomorrow a new home care patient, guess I have to work sometime! Lol

    Keepthefaith, if I come to Texas, I'll let y'all know! And your hair looks cute in your avatar. Is it blonde or gray (sorry can't really tell) and looks curly. Mine is starting to get curly I think but still only barely 1", at the most. Had curly hair before. 

    Congrats aff on half way through. You'll be done in no time now! My skin did pretty well. Whole breast area pretty much back to normal and boost area still pink but not getting worse and hypersensitivity seems to be getting better. Only 1 or 2 "zingers" today

    Still feeling great from being done, like a weight is lifted and i feel free. Everyone says I look great. I think I'm still "glowing " from all the radiation in me! Lol

  • RHGSR
    RHGSR Member Posts: 774
    edited July 2014

    yea Angela! Half way through. You got this!!

    Missy- my KI67 was done as part of the pathology at surgery. It was 25-50% I think. But no one has ever said anything about it. I may ask my MO when I follow up in a few weeks. 

    My MO doesn't do tumor markers and I never had an oncotype. He said I didn't need the oncotype since we already knew I was going to get chemo. He did agree to scan me at 6 months and 1 year. Of course who knows if insurance will pay????

  • Jodi040812
    Jodi040812 Member Posts: 383
    edited July 2014

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    I finished yesterday.  Jumped in the car loaded with all our summer stuff, 3 kids and husband and drove 6 hours home.  Some of you know what was at home from my FB.  Around 30-50 people were standing in my driveway and in front of my house with signs and balloons.  Best part is so many of my students.  My across the street neighbor cried from seeing it!  The husband not the wife cried lol.  Love my neighbors.  We live around people mostly my parents' age.  Well I guess just my mom now.  That is weird.   The end brought on some sadness that my dad missed this.  I still can't believe he is gone.  It all happened right in the beginning steps of radiation and fighting this. But!!!  So relieved and happy to be home and finished.  Of course I'll be back in 12 weeks for ct of chest and ultrasound. 

    Michelle- I had the ki67 and this worries of course.  Mine was 68% and my grade was 3- joy.  However- it is gone now.  Right ladies!  It is gone; let's proclaim it to be so!!  

    I could worry myself everyday all day. You see my below ticker, my stats were not good and then add the internal node, but I gotta let that go.  

    Here are some pics from yesterday!

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  • RHGSR
    RHGSR Member Posts: 774
    edited July 2014

    Jodi- what a wonderful surprise.  So so happy you are home. 

  • keepthefaith
    keepthefaith Member Posts: 2,156
    edited July 2014

    Lisa, my hair is mostly grey.  Same color as before. And curly! My  hair has always been wavy and frizzy. It started coming in pretty straight and then got curly. 

    Jodi, so happy your are home! Great pics. 

  • RHGSR
    RHGSR Member Posts: 774
    edited July 2014

    hi ladies!! My oldest made it to sectionals for the Drive,Chip, and Putt qualifier. Pray that she does well. She is so excited. She had her dad buy her pink golf balls in honor of me. :0)

    If she makes it past sectionals then she goes to state and if she does well there then she would get to go to Augusta and compete during The Masters. 

    We went to the course yesterday (all 5 of us) and her and my husband played 9 holes. I followed them around in a second cart with the 2 littles. 

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  • missy6758703
    missy6758703 Member Posts: 218
    edited July 2014

    Jodi, LOVED the welcome home VICTORY pictures!!!! Way to go my friend!

    And you are right ....we just have to let it go and LIVE! GONE GONE GONE!!!! I will proclaim it with you! :)

    Love the golf picture ......I am an avid golfer and have not played yet this year....way to go in starting her out young! Keep us posted on her progress!

    I am going to Dallas, actually McKinney Texas for the weekend......can't hardly wait! It's been almost a year since I was last there......can't hardly wait to feel some arms around me ....it's those little things in life that now mean so much. 

    Michelle

  • aff
    aff Member Posts: 279
    edited July 2014

    Jodi - that is an amazing show of support. What an incredible community!

    Holli - congrats to your daughter!

  • Crazywabbit
    Crazywabbit Member Posts: 563
    edited July 2014

    Lisa, getting a few work patients will probably feel good

    In the CTC infusion center now getting my first dose of zometa.  Had 2 weeks fu with RO who said everything looks great and no need to FU unless something comes up. Had 3 mo check up with MO, had a long visit since I had a lot of questions.  Markers will be done next visit in 3 months, 6 months after finishing chemo, but he said the push ( driven by insurance companies) is not to do them.  Since I am having a lot of numbness in my foot that is more radiculopathy then neuropathy I am getting an MRI of my lumbar spine on Friday.  Unless the MR shows something other then disc disease I am NED.  I had disc surgery about 20 years ago but little problems since then.  With all my complaining today I did not bring up a PET scan. I will save that for next time. 

    Off for some me time after done, going shopping, more like browsing and walking around the down town area until 3 PM.  Have to be home since  my husband' s Aid leaves then

  • Lisaj514
    Lisaj514 Member Posts: 719
    edited July 2014

    holly, congrats on your daughter. That's amazing...Augusta...can you imagine? Is she only 10 you said?

    Michelle,have a great trip to tx. Hope you can enjoy some pampering along with those hugs

    Jodi, so glad you are finally home for good. Only day visits to md Anderson now, that's all!

    Barb, good luck with the MRI. 

    It's weird that I won't be seeing a doctor until aug 19 for follow up with mo. Ats 3 1/2 woks after finishing rads and 3 months since I saw her last (at 1 mo PFC). My mind starts going places I don't want it to go as we all do. We keep needing reassurance for a while I think. I'll have an MRI in October (1 yr since dx!) then us and mammo in jan. I asked if I could have the MRI before we leave for vaca in Sedona on 10/4 but she said she didn't know if Insur would approve before a year. Would like to have peace of mind before I go, that's assuming everything comes out ok. But if there's a concern area, then what. Oh dear...stop it...ITS GONE!

  • DJJ
    DJJ Member Posts: 229
    edited July 2014

    Kimmie, congratulations on the weight loss.

    Jodi, Welcome home! What an awesome surprise! And done!

    Michelle, enjoy your vacation.

    Aff, halfway through.  Before you know it. you'll be done.

    Two weeks after rads and my skin is almost back to normal.  Just a smidge tan.  The swelling is down but its still slightly tender.  No shooting pains.  A few days after rads I really started working out again.  I did my first Spin class since March and was afraid I would not make it, but I did and I didn't even cheat....Wohooo! I noticed that as soon as I picked up my workouts my legs started aching less.  Now I feel like a fit 65 year old!  Give me another month or two and I'll feel 42 again! I never had a Ki67, that I know of, and I don't plan on asking about it.  There is nothing I can do about it so I don't want to add something to worry about.  I think it was jbokland that said "I'm not going to worry about tomorrow because it robs me of being present and enjoying today".  I repeat that whenever I start to worry. 

  • Lisaj514
    Lisaj514 Member Posts: 719
    edited July 2014

    DJJ, jb, true...repeat again and again..."I'm not going to worry about tomorrow because it robs me of being present and enjoying today". Thanks for the reminder. Great on the workouts! I've slacked off after finishing my 5k run but you've motivated me. I cancelled my planet fitness membership when starting treatment. It was a cheapo place (10$/mo) so crowded...and lots of germs that I didn't want to be around. Maybe I need to join a "nice" place now. I've only been doing some yoga and walking since the boilermaker run.

  • missy6758703
    missy6758703 Member Posts: 218
    edited July 2014

    THANK YOU for this reminder..........."I'm not going to worry about tomorrow because it robs me of being present and enjoying today".   Boy, did I need to read these words tonight.  

    Awesome job Djj on the working out! I'm going to start....umm....next week!! :)  I seem to say that every week! ha! I am starting to feel like my old self again, and wow, what a good feeling that is! I still get tired, my kids can tell when i overdo it and tell me i get crabby which I probably do.  But they recognize it and make me go sit down for awhile.  

    I do plan on getting a little bit pampered while in Texas.....Johns mom tends to spoil me and we love going for pedicures! When I talked to her tonight I told her how I was so excited to get there and go out to eat! ha! So many choices there.....Oh, my butt surgeon gave me the go ahead to go in the pool which i plan on going in while there....they just had the whole pool redone so i'm anxious to just float on a floatie and forget the world for awhile! Covered up of course.........ugh.

    hugs to all!!! 

    Michelle

  • RHGSR
    RHGSR Member Posts: 774
    edited July 2014

    Michelle - my oldest tells me the same thing. She told me the other day that she can tell when I'm feeling good. I asked her how.  And she said "you aren't so grouchy"!!

  • kjfromca
    kjfromca Member Posts: 283
    edited July 2014

    Jodi - Love the welcome home pics. thanks for sharing.  So glad you are home!

    Holli - Priceless picture of your daughter.  Keep up with that golf, there are great college scholarships out there for women golfers.  My daughter's friend is going to Texas on one. 

    Michelle - Hope you have an awesome time in Texas.

    Lisa - I am hoping that the Gillis family has their party that weekend in Oct. and I am able to go to Arizona.  I decided to only have the breast surgery on the 19th of Aug and not the other, I should have a speedy recovery, I hope.  This new transition from constant monitoring to minimal monitoring is hard to get used to.  I like the quote, "I am not going to worry about tomorrow, because it robs me of being present and enjoying today."  

    Barbara - What is the Zometa used for in your case?  Is it to prevent osteoporosis?  Praying for a clear MRI for you on Friday.  Re the PET Scan.... probably too soon after rads for one.  

    I am back at the gym too... It's been too hot here to walk outside.  

    Have a great day ladies,

    Kim

  • chicopeach57
    chicopeach57 Member Posts: 166
    edited July 2014

    I haven't posted in a while but have been reading, so much to congratulate everyone on.  "I'm not going to worry about tomorrow because it robs me of being present and enjoying today", applies to so much more in my life than the damn cancer.  I should use it as my mantra.

    It took three weeks for my skin to heal after rads.  They are still different colors and there is still a slight temp difference.  Blows me away the affects on the tissue inside too.  I was swollen from under my pit to the whole boob.  With the breast about back to normal I can tell that the right is now smaller than the left for the first time in my life :)  When I was a teenager the difference was noticeable and I was horrified.  If that was all I had to worry about now...

    Put in a busy day at work on Tues and was sore with badly aching feet when I got home.  Guess I need to be gentler to myself for awhile, so that was my excuse for not making it to the gym this week.

    If anyone is coming through Georgia I would love to meet you, even if it is just for lunch or a drink on a lay over, I'm about 30 mins from the airport.

     


     

  • Crazywabbit
    Crazywabbit Member Posts: 563
    edited July 2014

    Kim, i am getting the zometa for two reason, one is that there was a big study that showed given every 6 months for 3 years it reduced the risk of breast cancer mets to the bones by 50%. second is that I already have osteopenia and taking the aromasin will accelerate bone loss, so the zometa is to try to stop that also. Of course since it is not FDA approved for prevention of mets my insurance refused payment. They did approve one dose of 5 mg (the reclast dose) for the osteopenia but only one dose every 2 years.  So I guess i will be paying out of pocket for the treatments but my oncologist thinks the data is very strong to support using it. 

     I was lucky to get absolutely no side effects to the infusion.  A lot of people get flu like symptoms with aches, fevers and bone pain.  I hydrated like crazy before and after the infusion.

  • jbokland
    jbokland Member Posts: 890
    edited August 2014

    question about nails.

     Here I am 8 weeks PFC and I see what looks like a light brown fungus under 7 of them.  It's about 1/3 of the way down.  Is this something that will grow out or us it truly a fungus?

  • aff
    aff Member Posts: 279
    edited August 2014

    jb - I had something I thought was a fungus or something under 6 of my nails during Taxol. One day one started bleeding for a bit and then the nail was no longer brown. Turns out the blood was coming up to the surface under my nail from the Taxol. My MO said it was a common SE. My nails still have not recovered and my last Taxol was 5/2. They don't bleed anymore but they still are at risk of falling off. Yours may not be anything like this but I thought I would share.

  • jbokland
    jbokland Member Posts: 890
    edited August 2014

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