My mother was just diagnosed.

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Lissab
Lissab Member Posts: 91
edited August 2014 in Just Diagnosed

I had double masectomy in January of this year & am currently going thru reconstruction part. My mom had a knot come up with puss near her nipple. I had her go have her 1st mammogram. It's infiltrating duct NOS, she scored 6 points, triple positive for ER, PR & KI-67. Mine was DCIS stage 1 so hers is different. She doesn't see the specialist til next Friday. I can't help but worry. I have her pathology report but it's different than mine. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thank you all so much. Prayers always welcomed too 

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  • dlb823
    dlb823 Member Posts: 9,430
    edited July 2014

    Lissab, I'm so sorry about your Mother's dx.  Thank goodness you were able to get her to go for a mammogram, and hopefully early detection.  What specifically would you like to know about her pathology report?  Infiltrating is the same as invasive (vs. DCIS).  NOS stands for No Other Specified (meaning it looks like it's pure DCA).  Let us know if any other path terminology needs clarification.   (((Hugs))) to you & your Mother,   Deanna

  • Lissab
    Lissab Member Posts: 91
    edited August 2014

    hers is ER+ PR+ & ki-67 was 67.4%. Said high profiltrating. Definitely different than mine. I'm wondering what all of it means. I understand my diagnosis & how lucky I am & that gods taken care of me. My fear is my moms is farther progressed & what I've read has made me fear the worst. I know some of what you read makes unnecessary worry but it's still there. Thank you all for your help. My next surgery is the 19th of next month. I'm wondering if she will have to do chemo. Just a lot to soak in just 7 months after my diagnosis. 

  • lintrollerderby
    lintrollerderby Member Posts: 483
    edited August 2014

    Lissa: I'm so sorry you have this worry. A couple clarifications: there are 3 things tested for a tumor to determine its phenotype, or which classification it belongs to. Those are Estrogen Receptors (ER), Progesterone Receptors (PR), and whether there is a lot of HER2/neu. The Ki-67 is not a characteristic, but a proliferation index, in other words, it tells the pathologist how quickly the cells are dividing. So, to know more about your mom's diagnosis, you also need to know whether she's considered HER2- or HER2+. Pretty much every woman will have a Ki-67 number. Yes, hers is considered high, but it might mean that chemo is a good option for her. My Ki-67 score was 76 and some women score in the upper 90s. I've even seen a couple 100 results. 

    If your tumor was Stage I, then you also had some invasive cancer (IDC) in there as well. If it was nothing but DCIS, then you would be Stage 0. I make the differentiation because knowing your own diagnosis will help frame your mother's and help you to better understand it.

    Ask anything you'd like clarification with. There is a lot of knowledge and expertise on these boards. 

    Best of luck.

  • Lissab
    Lissab Member Posts: 91
    edited August 2014

    she was ER+ at 90.19% PR+ at 49.61%. It says biopsy measured size is 1.3 x 0.05 x 0.02 cm. Grade 2 recieved 6 points. 3 for tubal formation, 2 for nuclear plcomorphism, 1 for mitocic. It says grade 2 & 6 points. Moderatly differentiated. 

  • lintrollerderby
    lintrollerderby Member Posts: 483
    edited August 2014

    Lissab: I saw that you posted on the Triple Positive forum. If your mom's HER2 status is not yet known, then you can't yet be sure she's Triple Positive. That's the last piece you need to figure out so that you have some idea what course of treatment to expect. Your mom's tumor had a high Ki-67 score, it's not positive for Ki-67. 

    From the info you posted above:

    • Your mom's tumor is highly dependent on estrogen in order to grow. The 90.19% puts her in the high range. She will definitely be prescribed hormonal therapy. I'm assuming she's post-menopausal, so an Aromitase Inhibitor is most likely. The significant PR score of 49.16% is a good sign. There are several research studies which seem to indicate that a tumor with both a high ER and PR score will respond better to hormonal therapy than one that is ER+ / PR-. 
    • The size of 1.3 x 0.05 x 0.02 cm would put it in the Stage I area AS LONG AS there is no lymph node involvement and no distant metastases. 
    • A score of 3 for tubule formation means that less than 10% of the tumor had the appearance of a normal breast duct structure. 
    • A score of 2 for nuclear pleomorphism means that there was moderate variation in the cellular nuclei of the tumor. Normal, healthy cell nuclei in the breast all resemble each other; however, in a tumor, oftentimes the nuclei of cells vary from one to the next. Your mother's tumor showed a moderate amount of variation.
    • A 1 for mitotic count means that there were a fewer amount of cells that were in the active process of division when the pathologist looked at the tissue under the microscope. 
    • This puts her at 3+2+1=6. There are 9 total possible points, so a 6 out of 9 puts her at Grade 2. This means Moderately Differentiated cells. The faster a cancer cell divides, the more errors it makes and the less it looks like the normal, healthy cells that surround it. A moderately differentiated designation means that the cells are dividing faster than healthy cells, but not as fast as very aggressive cells. So they moderately resemble normal, healthy breast duct cells. 

    I hope this helps you to better understand her pathology report. Again, until you find out whether her HER2 levels were negative, equivocal, or positive, you don't yet know whether she's Triple Positive.

  • Lissab
    Lissab Member Posts: 91
    edited August 2014

    her pathology report states triple positive. We've had her dr look at that part already. We're waiting on specialist next Friday to tell the actual stage bc he didn't. He confirmed the type & that's she's triple positive & showed us the report on that part. Thank you for your knowledge & help. 

  • lintrollerderby
    lintrollerderby Member Posts: 483
    edited August 2014

    So, you did know that she was HER2+. Well, then with the size of her tumor, she will almost certainly be recommended chemotherapy in conjunction with Herceptin.

    Best of luck as you both move through the next phase of her treatment. 

  • Lissab
    Lissab Member Posts: 91
    edited August 2014

    my mom went to my breast specialist today. They're recommending a lumpectomy & radiation for 6 weeks. They did some new test since I had mine in January that test for 4 different things. They will call with results. Her surgery is 19th & so is my expander replacement surgery. We will be at the same hospital. Please pray for her strength & our families also. I go to the dr Monday & she's going to give me whatever this new test is also. Anyone familiar with this test. 

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