Starting Chemo in April 2014

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  • Footballnut
    Footballnut Member Posts: 742
    edited July 2014

    good morning!  Today I have bloodwork and meet with my onc in preparation for my next round of chemo  tomorrow

    I am so scared of the side effects this time around. I am just starting to feel so much better - tummy good, eyes good, taste buds good- no pain- ugh!

    Was on treadmill for 40 min yesterday and did weights. 

    Will try to continue as it feels so good to workout!!

    Can't wait for end of chemo!!

    Have a good day all!!

  • Timbuktu
    Timbuktu Member Posts: 1,906
    edited July 2014

    40 minutes!  Amazing!  i can barely walk a block.  Have to stop to catch my breath.

    Better days ahead!  For all of us.

    Nothing to fear but fear itself, right?

    I was petrified of my infusion yesterday but it went well and I feel fine today.

    I think the steroids have a way of making it easier.

  • Footballnut
    Footballnut Member Posts: 742
    edited July 2014

    Question for my sisters - according to the Canadian breast cancer foundation - The following ingredients can increase risk of disease including breast cancer - phthalates, parabens, alkylphenols, fragrance or parfum and placental extracts.

    Do you check products that you buy such as lotions, soaps, shampoos and cosmetics for these ingredients prior to purchasing?  

    Crap - I just remembered that I have to take my steroids in prep for tomorrow!  Tx Timbuktu!!

  • jhodro
    jhodro Member Posts: 240
    edited July 2014

    FBN: good luck today! 

    Everyone: best of luck with treatments this week and minimal side effects. This road…ducking chemo!! :)

    MY LAST CHEMO is today!!!! I can't wait to get to the other side. Thanks to all those who've posted about what it might be like.

  • Timbuktu
    Timbuktu Member Posts: 1,906
    edited July 2014

    I do worry about all of those chemicals.  EVERYTHING is in plastic and I didn't know about perfume but I use it every day!  There is a site I joined but I'm so sick of reading all of the warnings that I kind of tuned out.

    My dil, who is a dr, is extremely careful about these things as she's a nursing mother.  She only shops at Whole foods.  I told her I bought some soap from Whole foods.  She told me she did too but then she found out that her 'natural" soap had "natural" bacteria.  So she was washing herself with bacteria!

    Sometimes you just can't win!

    I wish our FDA was stronger.

    I'm also on a blood pressure med, spiranolactone.  It comes with an insert that says that it's been shown to cause tumors in mice.  How can they sell this????  I told the dr I want off of it and he said it's an old medication and he doesn't think it's a danger and I'm not a mouse but once I'm done with treatments we'll try to get me off of it.  I never had a tumor until I went on Spiranolactone about 4 years ago.

  • jhodro
    jhodro Member Posts: 240
    edited July 2014

    And there's an app called "Think Dirty" that helps you avoid all those ingredients. Problem is, you can't shop at Target anymore. I tried using the app that rates all the products from 1-10 in terms of toxicity, and in Target, there were virtually no personal care products that weren't in the 7-10 range. So, I plan to ease into the transition. I worry about my kids with all these chemicals, especially. Even a lot of products that are organic don't score well because our FDA hasn't stepped up. 

    Timbuktu: The thing about doctors that amazes me is all these things they recommend for us…they don't seem to be looking at natural remedies at all. I don't know if that's the answer, but all these drugs and chemicals have to be contributing to the high rates of cancer in the US. Not to mention GMO's and everything else we're exposed to. Ugh. How do you protect yourself?!

  • SharonDe
    SharonDe Member Posts: 222
    edited July 2014

    jhodro - congrats on going in for your last one today!  You WILL feel better after you get past the usual stuff.

    Hope your conversation with the doctor goes well, FBN.  Make sure and share your concert pics.

    Timbuktu - I try to be sensible, but after working years in a lab as a chemist, I'm not going to worry a whole lot about it all.

  • Ddkath70
    Ddkath70 Member Posts: 129
    edited July 2014

    does anyone else feel like you have 2 cement shoes and can hardly walk around the house without catching your breath? My dr was right, the fatigue is cumulative. Sucky, suck...suck! When will this go away? So depressing. 

  • SharonDe
    SharonDe Member Posts: 222
    edited July 2014

    Ddkath - absolutely.  I've been moaning about it as well.  I really can't get a grasp on whether it is "normal," or just me.  Literally, after week 3, I could not stand up for more than a few minutes at a time.  My legs felt so heavy and then my back/neck would ache.  After my last tx, I just sat in my chair all day.  I know this made it worse, but I could not walk.  

    I am now 3 weeks PFC, and I'm walking a minimum of 30 minutes per day, broken up in several intervals throughout the day.  Hope to be up to an hour a day in 30 days.  Definitely feels better to get exercise, but still exhausted when I walk up stairs!

  • MommyQ
    MommyQ Member Posts: 117
    edited July 2014

    Footballnut: I only found out about all those chemicals being bad for us recently so I DO now pay attention to the products I buy & try to avoid them, mostly in products that cover a bigger percentage of my skin surface area. So, I look at body lotions & sunscreens mainly. As far as cosmetics, I figure they are applied to a much smaller skin surface area, so I'm not as concerned there. (Note: I only eyeliner and eyebrow pencil, so that's why I'm not as concerned regarding makeup).

    Many companies do offer good products without those pesky bad chemicals. I just bought a Burt's Bees lemon oil to use after showering because it's 100% natural and smells good without artificial perfumes. Everything Burt's Bees is 99% or 100% natural.  I also like their lip shimmer, which smells like peppermint and adds a bit of natural looking color, again with no synthetic perfumes.  I also use a Body Shop Aloe body butter, which doesn't have any of the bad ingredients and is fragrance free.

    I also started looking at sunscreens and trying to switch to physical blockers, meaning ones that use titanium oxide and/or zinc oxide, which don't get absorbed into the skin, instead of the bad bad oxybenzone, which is readily absorbed and is a hormone disruptor (BAD!).

    But I do allow myself to spritz on perfume here and there as a treat because I LOVE scents and can't give them up 100%.

    Moderation is key to everything, IMHO.

    jhodro: Congrats on your last chemo! Whoo hoo!

    Ddkath70: You're not alone. A bunch of folks on this board, myself included, are always out of breath even just walking a few steps. The fatigue IS cumulative, like they warned us. It just sux. I can't wait to get my energy back. I also started getting muscle aches after my TC#4. My leg and arm muscles all feel like I've done a crazy workout after doing such minor things. Do you have that issue too? I wonder, since you're also on TC.

  • Timbuktu
    Timbuktu Member Posts: 1,906
    edited July 2014

    Thanks for the warning about Target.  I think in the end if consumers refuse to buy these things the stores will catch on.  But it is so difficult to stay up on everything.

    "Natural" doesn't appeal to me as arsenic and cyanide, etc are natural too.  I like to think that things have been scientifically proven safe.  I think there used to be a law that anything that caused cancer had to be taken off the shelf.  I remember cyclamates, I used to drink a lot of them in diet soda but when it was found to cause cancer in rats, that was the end of them.  But something has happened since then.  I can't figure it out.  A friend of mine whose husband was a scientist told me that the FDA has been weakened, a lot.  

    My dr. told me to take L Acetyl Carnitine for my neuropathy.  When i asked her about the data she said it was "mixed".  She said it was a supplement, not a real drug.  I was shocked that she would recommend something that was not controlled by the FDA.  She said "we like to go natural first".

    I told her I liked science.  Anyway, out of desperation I've been taking it.  On the label it says it has al lot of disclaimers.  

    Even Dr Oz is recommending untested remedies.  It's getting hard to know the difference.

  • Ddkath70
    Ddkath70 Member Posts: 129
    edited July 2014

    MommyQ/Sharon, I do feel some muscle weakness, but I thought it was because I have Fibromyalgia. Just thought maybe my SEs are intensified because of that. I also wonder if I'm retaining water because my whole bottom half feels like it's 1000 lbs. I've been doing leg excercises and doing what I can around the house. I can't walk outside because I live in AZ and it's a balmy 109 degrees. I would pass out for sure. Lol 

    I have never felt like this before, and haven't felt it get so bad until treatment #3. My final treatment is next Tuesday and I really can't wait until this part of the nightmare is over. 

  • MommyQ
    MommyQ Member Posts: 117
    edited July 2014

    Timbuktu: You're right. If the consumers stop buying the "bad" stuff, the stores will change what they offer. But it's going to take a lot of educating to get the consumers to understand what's bad. I personally never looked at ingredients a couple of years ago...blissfully unaware of all the bad stuff.   And I also agree that you can't just take the fact that the label says "Natural" and buy it. We need to actually read the ingredients to see what's in the product, and understand what are good and bad ingredients. I'm learning a lot this year about what these are so I can hopefully make smarter decisions going forward.

    Ddkath70: I suppose it could be a combo of the chemo AND the fibromyalgia. Have you tried acupuncture? My sister-in-law has fibromyalgia and says it helps her a lot. 109 degrees is way too hot to go out! I know people say it's a "dry heat" but 109 is still HOT. :) You're lucky you're almost done with chemo. Yay! I have #5 tomorrow but I am doing a total of 6 so I finish mid August. I also can't wait until the treatments are complete!

    SharonDe: I can't stand up for very long either. I guess it's all related to this muscle weakness we're experiencing. It's good to hear you're working your way up to some exercises. I plan to do that too after I'm done in August.

    Well, on this day before the chair, I felt well enough to meet my coworkers for a fun lunch to catch up. Since my treatments are 3 weeks apart, I've been scheduling lunches every 3 weeks, right before each chemo. It's been a good way to keep in touch with everyone at work, since I'm on short term disability during chemo. Everyone is so supportive, it's nice to see them.

  • Timbuktu
    Timbuktu Member Posts: 1,906
    edited July 2014

    You made me laugh!  The "chair", like the electric chair, yes!

    And I too schedule lunches during week 3.  They are like mini-vacations. 

    But right now I'm on a steroid high and I don't know what to do with all of this energy.  The calm before the storm!!  And amazingly I have zero appetite!  It's all good today...something to look forward to after the "chair".

  • Footballnut
    Footballnut Member Posts: 742
    edited July 2014

    Hi all

    Appreciate ur thoughts re chemicals. I truly never looked at anything - I just used what worked for me. For example I love oil of at Shea butter creme and body sips but they both contain the bad chemicals. But it stops my itching!!  Ugh!!

    Met with my onc today. He is switching me from taxotere to taxol and I will have infusions for the next 6 weeks. No more neulasta. I will continue the herceptin on a 3 week cycle for 1 year

    So hopefully my SEs will be minimal - this is what my onc expects. Minimal pain and tummy issues

    I love him. He is so easy to talk to but it's funny how one can interpret things. He mentioned that he wants to get me through treatment with minimal SEs so that I can move on for months and years

    I walked out telling my hubby that this means I don't have a long life expectancy. Hubby said that's not how he heard it given past things that my onc had said which included my onc previously saying that I have a good prognosis based on my type of cancer

    Funny how we interpret things

    So hopefully things will be better after tomorrow's infusion. Now instead of 2 more rounds and being done with chemo by mid august, I have 6 more rounds and will be done with chemo the week before Labor Day. I'm cool with that as long as I have a less SEs

    I also got Tylenol 3 incase of pain as percs went straight to my stomach

    I'll be in the chair tomorrow at 10 then countdown every week!!!!

  • clarrn
    clarrn Member Posts: 557
    edited July 2014

    Footnballnut- I love my Taxol. I hope you will too!  We will finish around the same time.  

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  • linda505
    linda505 Member Posts: 847
    edited July 2014

    Clarin - so sorry that you are having such a hard time - ughh - hope things make a turn for the good for you soon!!

    Well - my last chemo was three weeks ago - I managed 4 out of the 6 .  My liver enzymes climbed yet again last blood test and my MO and I agreed that I shouldn't do the last two.  Part of me is relieved and part of me is scared and nervous that I wasn't able to finish.  I will continue with my herceptin for the next nine months and will start taking Anastrozole for the next 5 years.  Now I wait for the enzymes to hopefully return to normal so I can schedule my exchange surgery and start looking for hair growth!!  I will be around and hope you all are on your way up. 

  • SharonDe
    SharonDe Member Posts: 222
    edited July 2014

    Clarrn - hope you are feeling better and not too bored in the hospital. 

    Linda - congrats on being done, even though it might not have been the timing you had originally planned. You still did a significant portion, and protecting your liver is important for the decades ahead. 

  • MommyQ
    MommyQ Member Posts: 117
    edited July 2014

    Timbuktu: Haha, yep, to the electric chair we go tomorrow! :)  You're right-on about the mini-vacay lunches. Good distractions and reminders of our normal lives that we'll get back to soon!

    To prepare for the chair, I thought I'd go to Target & pick up some yogurt to eat this week (to hopefully help with chemo-induced-bad-tummy-week). So before going, I was thinking that while I'm there, I might as well pick up school supplies for my 8th grader. So, I go & arrive home from Target with the school supplies, but no yogurt. Chemo-brain attacks again.....argh!!!  Sigh. I even had a list. Oh well. I'll go out later after dinner & get my yogurt at the grocery store. I like their selection of flavors better anyway. :)

    Footballnut: I hope you have better luck with Taxol than Taxo-terrible. I'll be in the chair tomorrow 9:30am for Taxo-terrible.  Interesting what you said about different interpretations. My husband and I do the same thing too. We hear things totally differently and sometimes one of us hears something the other doesn't hear at all!  I think different people just have different expectations and that causes us to hear different things. That's why it was great to have a companion during all the initial diagnosis and planning of treatment appointments with all the doctors!  Re: bad ingredients, I see you like shea butter, too.  The Aloe body butter I use has shea butter as the #2 ingredient (after water) and seems to be free of the bad ingredients (as far as I know...please correct me if I'm wrong). If you're interested (and no I don't work for them and am not pushing their product!), here are links to both the Canadian and the US product pages for this item, which list the ingredients in one of the tabs on the page:

    http://www.thebodyshop.ca/en/body-moisturisers/body-butter/regular-body-butter/aloe-body-butter.aspx

    http://www.thebodyshop-usa.com/shop-by-line/aloe-skin-care/aloe-body-butter.aspx

  • MommyQ
    MommyQ Member Posts: 117
    edited July 2014

    linda505: I agree with Sharon. Plus the Herceptin and Anastrozole will also protect you. I'm jealous you get to do your exchange surgery soon! I can't wait to get these TEs out!!! 

    clarrn: Sorry to hear you're in the hospital. Hope they get you all well again soon.

  • SharonDe
    SharonDe Member Posts: 222
    edited July 2014

    Whew.  Finished my morning 10 minute interval walk - 2 more to go today.  I feel sooo lame that 10 minutes makes me tired.  I didn't want to walk, but was planning our Sept Disney trip, and when I found myself wondering if I would need a scooter, I got motivated to get out the door!

    Bless you gals who can do 40 minutes on the treadmill during treatment (FBN!).

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  • MommyQ
    MommyQ Member Posts: 117
    edited July 2014

    In da chair for TC#5! Just got my Kytril & now getting 20 mins of Emend. Taxotere & Cytoxan to follow. Talked to my MO right before the chair and she said she doesn't see cases with lung or heart damage anymore due to radiation because rads have gotten much better these days. Whew. Good to hear. I noticed that I had some prominent looking veins in my legs so MO wants me to get a doppler run on them to make sure I don't have some blood clotting going on in the area. CLOTTING? Scary to me. She didn't sound worried about it though.

    Sharon: Disney is a great motivator. I was tempted to use the scooter at Target recently but huffed it around the store instead. Great cartoon!

  • EverForward
    EverForward Member Posts: 242
    edited July 2014

    Sharon, I LOVE that cartoon and will put it on my fridge. I'm normally happy to be a strong, independent woman. But there's nothing like cancer to turn a strong, independent woman into a weak, tired woman. My sister left this morning and I know when I get home from work I'll have to unload the dishwasher, put away the blow-up bed, wash the sheets, blah blah blah. I haven't yet paid the credit card bill from my Fourth of July spa weekend of pampering, so I guess it's too soon to plan another one.

  • clarrn
    clarrn Member Posts: 557
    edited July 2014

    Love it Sharon :)  And way to go on the walking!  Just started walking a bit ago too... time to get back in shape!  

    A big smile on my face today.  And definitely thinking about those who are in the dark zone right now.   Hugs to all!

  • Jaimieh
    Jaimieh Member Posts: 2,373
    edited July 2014

    Way to go on all of you ladies getting up and moving :). Even a little will go a long way to getting back the stamina. I got the go ahead yesterday to start back so this afternoon I have a date with Shaun T and T25. :). I need to motivation and the stress relief. 

    I was back in the chair for #7 yesterday which went okay. My magnesium was once again low so I needed and infusion yet again. I don't mind but it's a two hour drip that feels like forever when it is all added together.  My side effects have stayed kinda steady so that has been nice to know why I feel that way and what day but I am still ready for the last taxol to be done.  

  • jhodro
    jhodro Member Posts: 240
    edited July 2014

    Good for you on the Shaun T!! I used to do his longer video (insanity) up until my biopsy. Hence the reason for my 20+ pound weight gain since all this happened in January. I look forward to getting back to it. Maybe I should try the 25 min ones as soon as Rads is over. Ease into it. Let me know how you like that format. Glad to hear your SE's are steady. That's so helpful!

    I was up all night due to the steroid during yesterday's last taxol. So happy to report no steroids needed for the Herceptin only treatments going forward for the next year!!!

  • clarrn
    clarrn Member Posts: 557
    edited July 2014

    Jaimieh-  love T25!  I was doing it before surgery and can't wait to get back to it.  Have fun :)  I am so amazed that you can do it on chemo!   Superstar!

  • Lakegirl1
    Lakegirl1 Member Posts: 316
    edited July 2014

    Love me some Shaun T!!!  I was doing T25 religiously before I was diagnosed.  I loved that in 25 minutes you were DONE!!!  And, it was no walk in the park. 

      Just finished # 4 , LAST ONE, on Friday. I have truly been very fortunate when it comes to SE's and counting my blessings!!!  Up until this one, I had tx on Friday, worked from home Monday then back at work Tuesday. My tummy has been just off, sleep patterns were off and the WEIRD tongue/throat thing.  One strange thing is the sinus/ear infection 1 week after each tx. 

    This one was diff, I didn't come back to work until today.  My biggest concern was the walk in from the parking lot!  I strongly considered resting on the bench just inside the door, then getting to my desk!  I've had a couple of episodes of being really lightheaded!!!  Haven't passed out, but have been concerned. Has anyone else's BP been elevated?  I'm trying to figure out if that is an se, or "white coat" syndrome when I go to cancer center. 

  • Longislandl8y
    Longislandl8y Member Posts: 145
    edited July 2014

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    As you can see, I never lost all my hair.  I've lost about 40% of it.  It was coming out slowly, and I have (had) very thick hair, but after treatment 5 it started coming out a lot more.  I have fingers crossed that it won't be as bad after yesterday's infusion, but no high hopes.  My daughter is getting married in October so holding onto my hair was a big deal.  There was actually a discussion with my MO about that in my consultation so I'm not quite sure if it's a happy coincidence or he tailored my meds in such a way... Either way, I'M DONE!!! Just have to go for my Neulasta shot this afternoon.  Then after a 4 week break we move on to radiation.  The curtain is beginning to come down and I should be in the dark place within a couple of days... Hope everyone is feeling good today. xo


  • Swissmiss
    Swissmiss Member Posts: 111
    edited July 2014

    Longisland...congratulations!  You look great...although I admit I'm a little envious of all that gorgeous hair on your head :)  Good for you!

    Love that cartoon, Sharonde :)

    I'm happy to read there are some smiles and good days here for some of us...so glad to share the hard times and the good days with you all.

    I have been a little depressed...I think my RO being on vacation until August 5 was making me feel frustrated and not in control.  I called his office to see if there was anything I could do to get my radiation expedited, and they set me up with an appointment with his colleague.  I will also have a simulation (whatever that is!) on the same day.  I hadn't expected that, and it's only a week sooner, but boy do I feel good that I called.  It is a week that I won't  feel is wasted, a week sooner to feel like I'm getting this crap done!  Breast surgeon is still on leave, so I still have to live with my port longer than necessary, but at least I'll be getting my rads :)

    Our AC is broken again! Third time this summer...and these 99 degree days are brutal.  Hope the repairman gets here soon, as these hot flashes and night sweats never let up when my home thermostat reads 89 degrees!! 

    Hugs to you all!

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