February 2014 Starting Chemo Club

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  • jbokland
    jbokland Member Posts: 890
    edited July 2014

    good shit and seatbelts!

  • tangandchris
    tangandchris Member Posts: 1,855
    edited July 2014


    Thanks ladies.....I knew I'd get some good feedback :)

    I had my first session scheduled next week, but I'm having to put that off since I need to go back to PS. Anyway, I'm just working on staying in the moment and enjoying the day as much as I can.

    ((hugs))

  • Rosiesride
    Rosiesride Member Posts: 513
    edited July 2014

    tangandchris....glad to see you back on here but sad you are having more issues...we are on a freakin' roller coaster...I never did like roller coasters!

    Prayers for better days...Rosie 

  • Jules_NY
    Jules_NY Member Posts: 276
    edited July 2014

    Question..... When was the size of your tumor determined, from scans or from surgical path report?  My tumor is so diffuse the margins can't be determined on any scan. I'm getting another MRI next week to compare to the MRI prior to chemo but I really wish they had some idea of size

  • 3doglady
    3doglady Member Posts: 50
    edited July 2014

    From my limited knowledge, maybe it is dependent on your type of bc.  I had IDC, they measured it from the Ultrasound and after the removal. 

  • 3doglady
    3doglady Member Posts: 50
    edited July 2014

    Ladies, help me be strong here...By the time my chemo was finished, my doctor had figured out that due to the nature of my work - i do massage and energy work - that I'm just more sensitive to my body and therefore notice more than others do.  Symptoms that I present to her or the nurses are likely to not even be noticed by other patients, but I notice them because I'm more aware of my body.  

    When I see her tomorrow, she needs to do something about the heart palpitations, which are starting to really bother me.  And the more I read on line, the more I self diagnose and at this point, I'm on a slab in my head.  How do I impress upon them that I need this checked out and I need it to be resolved?  I have swollen  fingers this morning....not bad; I can still get my wedding band off, but it's TIGHT  around the nuckle.  My heart palpitations had started to subside, but REALLY kicked in last night and are still going this morning.  I get the funny heart flutter, then I feel pressure in my head and jaws.  My ankles were swollen a bit last night, so I slept with pillows under my feet, feel like throat is closing - but it doesn't.  

    I'm headed to surgery for BMX August 8 and the hospital might order a 2nd EKG to see if there was any damage to the heart, but I don't want to wait until August if that is whats causing my symptoms now.  I just need pumping up to stand my ground and impress upon them I'm not having anxiety attacks - never have, during this process - and have REAL symptoms of something that's not normal.  Thanks.  

  • tangandchris
    tangandchris Member Posts: 1,855
    edited July 2014


    Jules-who are you asking about tumor size? Sorry...not following and that is probably due to my chemobrain :)

    3doglady-What do the doctors say when you have brought this up to them in the past? It sounds like they think you are over-thinking things. I think you need to insist on having the heart palpatations checked into. have you tried taking anti-anxiety meds to see if that even helps? I hate dealing with doctors that just won't listen, yes I know they are trained and know more than us generally....but we also know our bodies. Good luck ((hugs))

  • Jules_NY
    Jules_NY Member Posts: 276
    edited July 2014

    I was asking anyone ;). My BC type is rare and grows differently, I was just curious to see how the more common ones are sized

    3doglady- can you see a cardiologist without a referral? if yes, then make an appt with one on your own. If you need a referral you can ask your PMD for one also. If you were having these symptoms without BC or chemo  your PMD would likely refer you to a cardiologist and you would likely be given a holter monitor to wear so they can see if the palpitations are from your heart. Being more aware of your body is a good thing!! You shouldn't have to suffer. Go with you gut. The EKG will be helpful but if your aren't having palpitations during it they won't know if it's really your heart. Good luck and stick to your guns!!!!!

  • lago
    lago Member Posts: 17,186
    edited July 2014

    3doglady "I'm just more sensitive to my body and therefore notice more than others do. Symptoms that I present to her or the nurses are likely to not even be noticed by other patients"

    BULLSHIT! Symptoms are symptoms. Unless they aren't there the must be checked out. Sounds to me like you might be retaining water and could lead topossibly congestive heart issue or high blood pressure. Do you have a good relationship with your primary care MD. Maybe it's time to make an appointment with him/her.

    Jules_NY I had chemo after surgery so they did measure mine but here's the issue. The scans said about 7cm but MRIs are not even close to 100%. Its just the best tool we have till they can remove the tumor. After surgery the tumor was around 6.5cm BUT only 5.5cm was invasive. That's the part they measure for staging. If you have more than one tumor they only base staging on the largest tumor (really don't get that one but OK). At this point things are changing and it's becoming more about the biology of your tumor.

    Since you are having chemo first (I assume) the size will always be a clinical questimate no matter what they say.

  • tangandchris
    tangandchris Member Posts: 1,855
    edited July 2014


    Oh got it LOL

    I had two...both "smallish" 2.5 and 1.8, but mine had already gone to my lymph nodes. I think lago is right, it's more about biology. In my way of thinking if the cancer had already spread to my lymph nodes it seems like the tumor should be larger, but that isn't how it worked. I had surgery first, chemo 2nd.

  • lago
    lago Member Posts: 17,186
    edited July 2014

    and I had a big tumor that didn't spread to the lymph nodes. Go figure

  • Jules_NY
    Jules_NY Member Posts: 276
    edited July 2014

    Thanks ladies. I know they look at type/quality over size. I was just curious, not a lot of solid info out there on IBC. Was just thinking in terms of my surgery which was scheduled for after chemo because they wanted to shrink it first, really hoping I won't need more chemo post surgery. All my questions will be answered next Friday by the BS. Just wanted to hear what the ladies in the front lines had to say!

  • lago
    lago Member Posts: 17,186
    edited July 2014

    Jules IBC and HER2+ are both pretty aggressive so hang in there. Looks like they are giving you the really strong stuff. I think with IBC you are automatically a stage III no mater what size because of the aggressiveness. Means they hit you hard as you know!

  • Jules_NY
    Jules_NY Member Posts: 276
    edited July 2014

    Sure am getting hit hard!!! Lol 

    By the time IBC becomes evident and starts to invade the skin it's already in the nodes. So yes the earliest it is diagnosed is stage 3. But for me luckily I was not misdiagnosed, which happens a lot. So guns ablazing!!!!!

  • jbokland
    jbokland Member Posts: 890
    edited July 2014

    I think the final tumor size is determined in pathology.  They get a good idea from ultrasound, but some of it may be tissue inflammation surrounding the tumor. MRI does a good job

  • tangandchris
    tangandchris Member Posts: 1,855
    edited July 2014


    Jules-keep us updated ((hugs))

  • 3doglady
    3doglady Member Posts: 50
    edited July 2014

    Thanks Ladies!  I get nervous because they always seem like they're in a hurry and I don't know  how to express what's happening except to try to desribe it and tell them when it started happening.  They have told me "oh, it's because you've gained weight" or "cancer is stressful, you're just anxious." Maybe my fingers will be swollen tomorrow, and she can see for her self!  

  • 3doglady
    3doglady Member Posts: 50
    edited July 2014

    Once again, my onc thinks its stress.  BUT, she ordered a holter monitor for my heart for 48 hours to make me feel better.  I get it tomorrow.  Swelling has been attributed to the taxols.  So has the pain in my joints and muscles.  Lung/breathing might be allergies.  If my heart monitor thing says normal, then I will keep my tongue.  

  • tangandchris
    tangandchris Member Posts: 1,855
    edited July 2014


    I'm glad you are getting the moniter.....this will hopefully get things figured out. ((hugs))

    I have pain in my joints and muscle too. ugg!

  • lgoldie
    lgoldie Member Posts: 120
    edited July 2014


    Finished chemo about  weeks ago.  SLOW recovery so don't think it all just goes away the next day.  Having radiation No. 7 today.   Sleep like a log at night 9 hours at least...normal?   Not much appetite....normal?   Anyone want to excharge SE at this point......Leah

  • lago
    lago Member Posts: 17,186
    edited July 2014

    lgoldie give it 5 weeks PFC for improved chemo SE to start kicking in. I can't say anything about rads since I didn't have them but you will continue to get tired. It builds up too so take it easy.

  • Rosiesride
    Rosiesride Member Posts: 513
    edited July 2014

    hey...I am 5 weeks PFC and had 11/36 rads today...my legs are still weak especially my upper thighs...I think it's chemo related still.

    I was trying to do some walking and aerobic stuff in the pool but laid off this week to see if my achy body felt better....it did so maybe I overdid it after no activity for 6 months!  I will go slowly now...started PT so that helps!  

    We just want to get back to normal...but it may take lots of patience!! Rosie

  • lago
    lago Member Posts: 17,186
    edited July 2014

    I'm sure it's chemo related. I was pretty active through TX 4 then I didn't exercise as much. I was also in amazing shape when I was diagnosed (had the 6 pack abs). So I might have recovered sooner because of that. But Taxotere really beat up my thighs. I couldn't sit cross legged on the floor because my knees wouldn't go down. I just started to feel better at week 5. 

    And you got Adriamycin so that might take you even longer. 

  • Rosiesride
    Rosiesride Member Posts: 513
    edited July 2014

    thanks lago for the insight...yeah...the thighs are super tight feeling!  This too shall pass! I hope....Rosie 

  • Jules_NY
    Jules_NY Member Posts: 276
    edited July 2014

    My thighs and arms are so achy too. I feel it in my legs mostly when walking. My arms hurt when I out my daughters hair in a ponytail or when my arms are up tying my scarf. I have to do it in steps and let my arms rest. Getting Tax #11/12 this Friday. I feel like I've been rapidly going down hill since #8 or 9. Getting harder and harder to push past the SE

  • jbokland
    jbokland Member Posts: 890
    edited July 2014

    Jules hang in there!  I was the same way by the end of taxol. IT WILL GET BETTER!  My strength was better 2 weeks PFC and improves every day. 

    Hugs!

  • tangandchris
    tangandchris Member Posts: 1,855
    edited July 2014


    I'm sore too, when I wake up it is at its worst. My joints hurt in my hands, feet, knees, wrists....etc.

    Question, have any of you noticed an increase in appetite PFC? I mean I am like an eating machine the last 2 weeks it seems like. I don't know if this is just me being able to eat again or what, but I am soooo hungry. I actually lost 25lbs during chemo, but at this rate it'll be back on.

    I'm struggling with this, because deep down I know I've got to make some lifestyle changes with my food. I am overweight and I've got to make changes, but I want to eat. Any thoughts on seeing a nutrionist...has anyone done this? 

    I'm kind of blabbering tonight, I can't sleep and I'm mentally beating myself up for all of this crap. bleh

  • lago
    lago Member Posts: 17,186
    edited July 2014

    tangandchris no special secret. Diet and exercise. Things like portion control and getting ride of crap. Seriously I find my weight is managed when I stay away from processed foods as much as possible and keep what I call white carbs (bread, pasta, potato) to a minimum. Pasta should be thought of as a side dish. Get rid of as much processed sugar, high fructose corn syrup etc. These things pack on calories, have little to no nutritional value. and don't fill you up… actually leave you wanting more. Seems like they are as addicting as crack but are legal.

    When you put your plate together try to remove a little bit each week before you start to eat. Also eating on a smaller plate might help. If eating out put aside what you are going to take home. I find most restaurant portions are like double what you should be eating. Many times my DH and I will split a main dish which will allow us to order an appetizer. 

    When you're ready weight train. You don't have to use heavy weights but the more muscle the more your metabolism will burn. You need to work up to 1 hour of exercise 5-7 days a week with 2 days of weight training. I'll admit I got off the weight train wagon but ready to start again.

    Seeing a nutritionist is a great idea.

  • tangandchris
    tangandchris Member Posts: 1,855
    edited July 2014

    I've done it before....years ago I took off the weight and stayed good for awhile. I'm not sure what happened over the last 5 years or so, but it's back. I'm overwhelmed and deep down know what needs to be done. I guess I've been thinking that now that chemo is over and my appetite is better I deserve to enjoy this food!

    I feel silly and guilyt whining about this when so many have much worse they are dealing with, so I will shut-up :)

  • lago
    lago Member Posts: 17,186
    edited July 2014

    Tangandchris weight loss is a challenge. This site is all about venting. Go ahead. If we don't want to listen we won't respond… and you can see we all do

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