On a Heavier Note

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Apologies to Momine for copying your thread name, but the "heavier" title seems pretty accurate.

I watched some documentaries from the UK called "The Men Who Made us Fat" and "The Men Who Made us Thin". They are available on You Tube and are real eye openers. Basically, the series exposes how the food, diet and exercise industries are exploiting people and governments so they can keep peddling fattening junk food and kidding us that an hour of two at the gym will make up for the extra empty calories. Both industries are driven by the almighty dollar. Of course exercise is good for many reasons but to run off a McDonalds, fries and coke meal would take a half-marathon. Gyms cater to junkies who take dubious supplements to gain muscle or exercise to excess with harmful results. Overweight people often feel too embarrassed to be seen at the gym among all those buffed bodies. Again the motivation is to grow bigger businesses and make the owners rich.
I knew the food industry and government regulations were appalling, but this series was still shocking:

Most food industries work hard to find which combination of fattening ingredients will be the most addictive to ensure we all keep buying their products and lining their wallets (while getting fat and unhealthy).

They will add a healthy but cheap ingredient so they can claim in large lettering how "healthy" it is while not mentioning all the unhealthy ingredients or how their processing has removed vital nutrients.

The big companies like Cadbury's, McDonalds and Coca Cola sponsor sports events like the Olympics and set up outlets in stadiums so our youngsters will grow up associating their foods with healthy athletes.

Our corrupt governments are not intervening as they would lose funding from these dubious companies.

Try buying food to eat on the spot while in a shopping mall and apart from fruit and veg shops, everything is full of nutrient stripped starch, fat and sugar, fried or otherwise fattening or harmful.

The evidence of harm is easy to see when comparing societies prior to the introduction of westernised foods and then after.

Caged animals or pets dependent on humans to feed them, when given a natural diet, will self-regulate their weight. Give them a westernised diet and watch them grow fat and unhealthy. They will keep eating beyond their caloric needs as they become addicted to our modern diet. We are all are in a way caged by the choices offered in supermarkets and food outlets but most are addicted and not aware of the problem.

I have just touched the surface. I urge everyone to watch these two series. I've linked the first parts. "Fat" and "Thin" part 1.  But "Fat" part 3 is the shocker.  "Fat" is about the food industry.  "Thin" is about the diet and exercise industry but I still have one episode to watch myself when it's on Australian TV this week.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E6nGlLUBkOQ The Men Who Made Us Fat - Episode 1/3

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KCVY9TO5mwI The Men Who Made Us Thin - Ep 1 of 3

It saddens me to read so many threads on BCO where women are quite content about their unhealthy diets and lifestyle, despite knowing the link with breast cancer. I do understand comfort food during chemo when everything tastes awful, but after treatment we need to encourage healthy lifestyles.  Worse still when some post on the holistic and alternative threads criticizing our alternative choices while living unhealthy lifestyles themselves.

Time for us to start writing to our government representatives and the food regulators.  Our children and grand-children's health is at stake.

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  • voraciousreader
    voraciousreader Member Posts: 7,496
    edited June 2014

    joy...A dozen years ago, I did my fair share when a soda company approached a group of athletic students' parents in our school district and offered $50k worth of athletic equipment to the district in exchange for pouring rights.  I stood my ground and convinced the district to ignore the request.

  • luv_gardening
    luv_gardening Member Posts: 1,393
    edited June 2014

    Great work VR.  It's not easy fighting these large corporations and other parents often want the benefits on offer without realising the harm.

  • Solen
    Solen Member Posts: 146
    edited June 2014


    All of it is so true, and it is certainly good to be very skeptical about food and exercise claims.  I listen to NPR in the car and there was a guy named Michel Moss talking on this very subject.  He was really interesting, he wrote a book called "Salt, Sugar,at:  how the food Giants Hooked Us. A really interesting read about the subject.  He talks about if the say "low fat" it is full of sugar or salt.  If they say low sugar.......full of fat or salt.  About the $$$$$ spent researching what they call the "bliss point" where a food is so addictive that people cannot stop eating it.  uGGGG.   bUT VERY ENLIGHTENING.

  • luv_gardening
    luv_gardening Member Posts: 1,393
    edited June 2014

    Solen, the Bliss Point is also mentioned in these documentaries. The more that expression and the meaning behind it get's out into popular use, the better.  Unfortunately it's probably informed people who will watch these programs or read the books rather than those who really need the information. 

    We need a popular personality similar to Dr. Oz but who keeps to the facts to spread the news.  Also in the UK there was a "traffic light indicator" designed to put on food packages which showed red, amber or green for each food group.  Of course the food industry objected and it was either dropped or watered down enough to allow them to keep selling their junk food.

  • abigail48
    abigail48 Member Posts: 1,699
    edited June 2014

    great thread, joy, will read the links next week.  tonight was the landlord's 50th aniversary of wedding party.  I ate a piece of the chocolate cake.  slept, woke in very bad pain.  arm pain breast pain, fungus all over it.  gonna use a artemesia dressing though I was planning not to, then walk through the forest so as not to have a meet with the gallery owner at the bottom of the road.  I am very afraid of romantic love & I suspect the artemesia could change feelings about others.

  • Momine
    Momine Member Posts: 7,859
    edited June 2014

    I have been yammering about nutrient-rich vs nutrient-poor diets since long, long before I got cancer. When my kid was small and we lived in the US, people thought I was balmy for the way I fed her (nothing extreme really, just veggies and fruits for snacks instead of goldfish and cookies). I completely agree with you that it is a horrible problem. I keep explaining to the kids at work that diets will not make you thin, and if you feel the need to go on a diet every 6 months, then clearly something is not working right.

    If you eat real food instead of junk and incorporate exercise into your daily routine (take the stairs, walk to work etc), it really should be possible for most people to maintain a somewhat reasonable weight. That said, I do also go to the gym 3X a week. But my gym is at an ancient club, where the average member age is around 70. No buff steroid freaks in there and no zumba ;)

  • Momine
    Momine Member Posts: 7,859
    edited June 2014

    Voracious, well done! It is completely disgusting the way Coca Cola, Pizza Hut etc insinuate themselves into schools.

  • luv_gardening
    luv_gardening Member Posts: 1,393
    edited June 2014

    Abigail, I hope you feel better soon.  I hadn't heard that about artemisia. Half your luck at your age!  The links are to videos and I expect you'll already know most of the message, being a long term nutrition and natural health enthusiast.

  • ruthbru
    ruthbru Member Posts: 57,235
    edited June 2014

    Thee young people today will be the first generation to have the average life span age drop.....too much sitting around, and too much eating junky 'fake' foods. It is very sad, and people with all sorts of health conditions would rather 'take a pill' than change their lifestyles. Several of DHs very heavy, very sedentary siblings have type II diabetes. We were just at a family reunion & one brother was complaining that he will never be able to retire due to how much his medication costs each month. You should have seen the icy daggers thrown when DH suggested that he get a gym membership, work out, lose the weight; get the diabetes under control so that he'd have both the money and the health to enjoy retirement. Shocked

  • luv_gardening
    luv_gardening Member Posts: 1,393
    edited June 2014

    Britain is taking the sugar problem seriously according to this news report, but will they legislate to curtail food companies?

    Call to halve target for added sugar - BBC News

    Hey Momine, you're lucky to have a gym that caters to different age groups.  The only one near me does routines and I'm no good at those.  I just want to use the equipment without the endless music videos featuring busty women posturing, pouting and posing.

  • ruthbru
    ruthbru Member Posts: 57,235
    edited June 2014

    Not long ago I read a great book Sitting Kills, Moving Heals by Joan Vernikos, PhD, who is the former Director of NASA's Life Science Division. She makes the scientific case as to why our sedentary modern life style is basically leading to many diseases and death. I am not going to go into the research & all that. But she says, that along with what we consider to be 'exercise', everyone needs to put more MOVEMENT into their everyday life. An interesting point she made was that the key to independence in old age was being able to stand up and sit down without help! So stand up often throughout your work day. She advises to keep your phone someplace where you have to GET UP to answer it, drink lots of water so you have to GET UP to go to the bathroom (even during the night, because it isn't good to lie still that long.....which makes me feel a lot better about my getting up 3 times a night to go!). Stretch often during the day, use the stairs, stand up tall, use a manual can opener, eat foods that require using a knife & fork, sweep, shop in stores instead of on the Internet, dance, learn a language, do the crossword puzzle......

    So, on her 'Fitness Pyramid', the base has the daily habits such as those above plus yoga & tai chi. The next level of the pyramid includes walking, hiking, biking, resistance exercises & pilates, the third level is equipment-facilitated & floor exercise, and at the top is athletic training. But she makes the point that the base (adding movement to you daily life) is the foundation you build the rest on.

  • abigail48
    abigail48 Member Posts: 1,699
    edited June 2014

    gary said recently that I think it was pizza, not sure will thicken your blood very much.  when I changed the dressing last night I began bleeding a lot,  (the artimesia xut the pain immediately), years ago gary frightened me into stopping dairy for awhile, & more recently again.  for a couple of weeks no heavy cream & yes the blood was very much liquid as it hadn't been before.

  • bevin
    bevin Member Posts: 1,902
    edited June 2014

    I watched the first of the 3 series on how we became fat. Very compelling and interesting. Thanks for posting. I'll watch the other two of the Fat series as well.  This sure makes you want to  think about what we're putting in our mouths each day.

  • abigail48
    abigail48 Member Posts: 1,699
    edited June 2014

    1 drop on the essential oil on the dressing

  • voraciousreader
    voraciousreader Member Posts: 7,496
    edited June 2014

    Just finished reading another great food history book.  VR doesn't enjoy reading recipe books. Nor does VR enjoy cooking! Tends to read food history books.  This week's indulgence was Candy: A Century of Panic and Pleasure. The author does a great job of explains how candy made it into our diet.  Learned about the meaning of the line "While sugar plums danced in their heads," in the famous poem, Twas the night before Christmas.  What's interesting about the book is the leap that occurred when candy was thought to be healthy to being a decadent no-no.

    I've always been a middle of the road type of person when it came to nutrition and my family.  What I learned a dozen years BEFORE a dozen years ago before my school board and athletic students' parents is that SUBTLE OUTSIDE FORCES can undermine the most healthy intentions.  Early on, I was disappointed at the unhealthy snacks offered on the school's lunch menu.  Did they have to have ice cream on the menus everyday?  Why not just offer fresh fruit 2 of the 5 days?  Because the money the cafeteria earns selling junk food subsizes the cafeteria's expenses. So what did VR have to do?  Besides telling the school district, "You folks are IDIOTS," she would only give her kids snack money two days a week!  What an AWFUL mom VR is!

    On a much larger note, I have tremendous interest in studying nutrition and genetics because the DH has an extremely rare genetic METABOLIC disorder and severe heart disease.  The DR is in the care of world class physicians and dieticians.  As a breast cancer survivor and one who has always encouraged a healthy diet and lifestyle, it is very frustrating to VR, the DH and our team to be dealing with all of these life threatening issues.  Despite being 6'2" and 185 lbs, if one looked at the DH, they would think he was healthy.  He exercises 7 days a week to protect and build muscles, eats a very strictly monitored healthy diet, has low cholesterol and still required cardiac bypass surgery and more stents than anyone could imagine.  Furthermore, he takes supplements because he is missing an enzyme that helps metabolize fat to create energy.

    I wish that the answer to society's health crisis epidemic was as simple as creating a healthy diet and exercise environment.  Unfortunately, I believe we need to look beyond the last century for an answer.  Having read about the Paleo diet, VR is intrigued. VR has given a lot of thought to whether or not society's historic move to becoming farmers and creating a sedentary culture created this cascade of events. Hmmmmm....

  • Momine
    Momine Member Posts: 7,859
    edited June 2014

    Joy, it is a quaint, old club that mostly caters to tennis players. It is close to my house and happens to have a small gym, which is why I joined (since I wouldn't dream of ever trying to play tennis). Because of the quaintness, the clientele is older.

  • abigail48
    abigail48 Member Posts: 1,699
    edited June 2014

    I tried once.  had an e indian bf at cal.  he played.  I could hit the ball but hit it waaaaay across the street & he had to chase it.  we never tried again

  • exbrnxgrl
    exbrnxgrl Member Posts: 12,424
    edited June 2014

    http://www.cde.ca.gov/eo/in/tchk.asp

    The California Healthy a school Initiative has helped my district re-vamp school lunch programs and allowed my district to institute programs geared toward healthy food choices. In the middle schools, vending machines no longer sell soda, chips etc. Most, actually all I think , cafeterias have salad bars and students purchasing lunch must choose two items from the salad bar. Breads and buns are whole grain, milk is non fat etc. There is always a vegetarian option. They still do bring in pizza once a week, but hey, let the kids have a little fun. We don't allow cakes, cupcakes, candy to celebrate birthdays. What can't be controlled is what parents pack for lunch. Most do well, but well, some don't :(

    I forgot to add that most of our schools also have vegetable gardens. Especially nice sine we can can things year round.

  • voraciousreader
    voraciousreader Member Posts: 7,496
    edited June 2014

    Caryn...amen!  It only took two decades for school districts to wise up!  Now...it will probably take generations to reduce the harm that individual parents do!

  • AlaskaAngel
    AlaskaAngel Member Posts: 1,836
    edited June 2014


    Joy, thanks for the thread and the links and the enthusiasm!

    Amidst all of this, I am admiring the determination of a younger relative of mine (in her 50's), who despite all the hassles of life in general, is quietly going about making sensible efforts to deal with so many contrary influences. She lives where there are increasing extremes of drought, affecting the QOL and choices, and in all kinds of ways (big and little), her decisions are focused on making a difference -- even if she is "just one person". She is doing the same in regard to nutrition -- big steps, small steps.

    With her I share a responsibility for a very tiny spot of the earth, where both of us personally were fortunate enough to have a parent who did all the work to make it possible for us to grow up with a "noncommercial" diet, and exercise. (Yes -- we too had responsibilities for making it happen - but otherwise, it was a huge gift to us.) As adults, we keep that tiny spot of the earth going, even though we personally live elsewhere.

    Sadly, over the last decade, despite offering the opportunity for the space to garden and raise fresh foods there -- and even paying for precious water and a water-conserving drip system to do it -- finding someone who was willing to make that effort -- or even put in the time to learn to do it -- has been largely unsuccessful. "Doing the work" is what would help people stay healthy.

    Again -- thanks, Joy.

     

  • ruthbru
    ruthbru Member Posts: 57,235
    edited June 2014

    Our school lunches have actually become pretty healthy. Everyday there is a great salad bar with locally grown vegetables (when in season) and all low fat dressing, several fruit choices (with everyone required to take 2 servings from the fruit & veggie choices). I actually have a more healthy lunch when I eat at school than when I am at home (because they have a bigger variety to choose from). Also no pop in the student vending machines; water & juices, and no candy; nuts, fruit snacks, cheese sticks etc. also all whole wheat bread for the sandwiches etc. so things have improved on that front. What I wish is that instead of cutting back on recesses at the elementary and lowering the physical education requirements at the high school level, that more time for being active would be added to the schedule!

  • exbrnxgrl
    exbrnxgrl Member Posts: 12,424
    edited June 2014

    Ah, PE...the state's  (CA) academic requirements are very rigorous , even down to the kindergarten level.  PE is an afterthought. My students have a 20 minute morning recess and a lunch recess and I encourage them to move, move ,move. We have a weekly parent run PE program and during part of the year, a PE program with a paid teacher. I try to encourage movement through music, quick yoga at our desks, but academia rules! We even have some parents, fearful that their child will not get in to an Ivy League school, who want us to cut this out. They believe that first graders should be attempting to be reading at at least third grade level (some actually do) and doing long division. To hell with developmental readiness, to hell,with childhood, Harvard here we come!  I believe in high achievement, but I also believe in childhood and balance :)

  • ruthbru
    ruthbru Member Posts: 57,235
    edited June 2014

    We are on the same (apparently old fashioned but IMO correct) page, Caryn!

  • ruthbru
    ruthbru Member Posts: 57,235
    edited June 2014

    I just wanted to add the Sitting Kills author's thoughts on what has gone wrong with our relationship with food and exercise. She feels that the transformation to our unhealthy lifestyle saw it's beginnings during the Industrial Revolution and it's change from physically working the land (and needing hearty meals) to standing in factory assembly lines and eating just as much. In the 20th century even more sedentary forms of work were accompanied by eating more food than required by the body. Food itself also changed with the use of canning, freezers, and the addition of chemicals to maintain crispness & enhance color. With more affluence and the widespread use of cars, physical activity diminished even more. Now, of course, we have had the electronic revolution with even more gadgets, instant communications, home entertainment.....all which have decreased physical activity even more. Add to that the advertising, packaging, instant food offering countless food choices rich in salt, sugar, and fat, all of which trigger the brains appetite centers. She doesn't let us off the hook. In fact, at the end of the book she reminds the readers that it is up to them to live a more natural, health sustaining lifestyle. "It's up to you.....your body is your personal responsibility......take action."

    Food for thought!!!

  • voraciousreader
    voraciousreader Member Posts: 7,496
    edited June 2014

    ruth...the Industrial Revolution is just a continuation of a sedentary lifestyle that began with farming.  BTW...if you read The Wisdom of Psychopaths, Kevin Dutton, Ph.D. makes the claim that  psychopathy dates back to Hunters and Gathers.  We needed, he claims, fearless individuals to go away from the pack and hunt.  That gene, despite no longer needing heroics, is still in our wiring.  

    What I find amusing about our fixation with healthy living is that it is merely part of a continuum that began a very, very long time ago. I think once man settled down and no longer had to hunt, life was never the same!  Man was made to move!  

  • ruthbru
    ruthbru Member Posts: 57,235
    edited June 2014

    I guess the upside is that we don't have to worry about being eaten by saber-tooth tigers!

  • voraciousreader
    voraciousreader Member Posts: 7,496
    edited June 2014
  • exbrnxgrl
    exbrnxgrl Member Posts: 12,424
    edited June 2014

    So glad to cross saber tooth tigers off of my anxiety list :)

  • Momine
    Momine Member Posts: 7,859
    edited June 2014

    Voracious, interesting thoughts. My dh is from a famous Greek clan of mercenaries. That was the family business for centuries. Now they are all respectable, middle class citizens, and although I would not call them psychos ;) (OK, maybe MIL) they do have certain reflexes that are quite survival/l'attaque, toujours l'attaque.

    I completely agree that man was made to move. 

  • voraciousreader
    voraciousreader Member Posts: 7,496
    edited June 2014

    Mom....Your observation is an important one!  It describes a belief that Dutton describes in his book.  Along the way, there have been good and bad adaptations that have occurred due to man's genetic make-up.  As you pointed out, the fight mode, is still ingrained in their survival AND now successes.  Dutton tells us how successful neurosurgeons, stock brokers and monks have similarilarites with murderers who have been labeled psychopaths.  Researchers have studied and then measured certain characteristics and from their findings, they believe that there is still a very important place in society for those "good" psychopaths and their genes!

    Momine, relating back to your original post,  I think the solution to the obesity problem that plagues man truly relates back to many thousands of years ago.  However, I think the problem has excelerated like everything else, over the last hundred or so years.  I think, once man realizes his need to move is an imperative, then we can begin to deal with with the rest of the complexities of the epidemic.  I guess you can say it begins with baby steps...AND comfortable shoes!

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