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  • auroaya200882
    auroaya200882 Member Posts: 942
    edited June 2014

    Hello to everyone! Well, I had missed this thread and I'm happy to have found it. I had a mastectomy on the right side in May 2010. After the surgery site healed I used the little fiber pad and then American Cancer Society provided me with a plastic prothesis which I wore from 2010-2012 while I still worked. Then in Dec, 2012 I moved to Orlando, FL and started working from home which meant I got to stay "brassless" all day and I just got used to it. The prothesis is really heavy and now that I have mets to the bones and walking on cane I can't see myself "carrying" this extra burden so flat it is. My lack of boob has not prevented certain gentleman from continuing his affection for me and I feel every bit a woman as before the mx. Everyone is free to make their own choice but I feel mine is just fine being flat.

    Aurora

  • GML
    GML Member Posts: 90
    edited June 2014

    Aurora

    I've come to see my flatness as beautiful in its own right.  Makes sense to me that you don't weigh yourself down with the boobs in a box.

    Juanita, I just saw that you stopped Tamoxifin.  I did too.  I didn't do hormonal therapy.  One pill made me crazy and the other (Arimidex) made me bald (no kidding, male pattern baldness).  Told my oncologist I wasn't digging the Benjamin Franklin look.  So she ordered an oophorectomy.

    GML

  • Blacksheep27
    Blacksheep27 Member Posts: 3
    edited June 2014

    Wow, I'm so jazzed to find this wonderful thread! I had no idea there was a whole tribe of us who have made the decision to go natural! I confess that opting for no reconstruction was only a semi-conscious decision for me, a year and a half ago, because I was so completely gob-smacked by my dx in the first place. I only had one of my girls removed, and I simply reasoned with myself that there were all kinds of bras and falsies made just for me, and no one would ever know the difference. Well, I wore the ghastly bra and too-heavy silicone boob for about a week before I put them both back in the dresser drawer. Ugh. After another two weeks, I realized that, contrary to what I had feared, no one seemed to be looking at my chest. At all


    My remaining muchacha is only a B-cup, but I'm pushing 70 and things have gone south enough that I am more comfortable with some sort of support. My solution has been to wear a simple, thin, stretchy cotton sports bra, which doesn't flatten me completely or evenly, of course, but  gives me both support and mild compression to balance things a teeny bit. (This sounds like an ad.) The sports bras that work for me, though, have wide straps and racer backs, and every once in a while, I long for a sports bra that doesn't show above a low-cut top. Anybody out there in the "Flatland" know of a low-impact sports bra that has regular spaghetti straps, comes in white, and doesn't cost $50?

  • Ariom
    Ariom Member Posts: 6,197
    edited June 2014

    Hi Blacksheep, Welcome! I am a Uni too, but a D on the "muchacha", (I love that),  remaining side, so I don't go half flat too often, but I love the sports bras too.

    Have you tried the Coobie bra? A lot of the women who are going flat, but need a bra for the other side like these. 

    I am sure there will be others along to give you their advice, I just wanted to say Hi, and Welcome!  

  • keepitsimple
    keepitsimple Member Posts: 6
    edited June 2014

    Hi GML - I wish I'd been more on top of it to see the photo you posted. I'm in that looking at pictures phase.... It's looking like mid-July still for the bi-lateral mastectomy, no reconstruction. I still can't contact my oncologist though, which is feeling weird. She's out of town, so I have to be patient.

  • GML
    GML Member Posts: 90
    edited June 2014

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    KeepitSimple, this is for you.  I got confused earlier as I realize I'm not looking at a mirror image (which I'm used to) but the camera image.  My affected side was my right side (left in the pic).  My scars are more visible than they appear in the picture but they are not bad.  I also have a great deal of sensation left.  When I walk in the grocery store in the summer, even though I have no nipples, I still get the sensation that they are reacting to the cold.  Weird, huh? 

    I'm very used to being breastless as it'll be five years in September.  I truly hope this helps you. 

    GML

  • VintageGal1111
    VintageGal1111 Member Posts: 705
    edited June 2014

    You look fkn awesome!!!!!

    My cancer side, 3 months post op looks good, rad burn is almost gone, scar faded & thin. But the other side, ugh. I had to be taken to OR day after BMX to have a re incision & evacuation of clots. That scar is thick & I also have a poof of skin & some under arm tissue.

  • GML
    GML Member Posts: 90
    edited June 2014

    Thanks VintageGal, but, don't forget, my arms are raised 😜.  When my arms are down, my right side remains nice and tight but the other side is a little droopy.  I had a great surgeon and he did a really nice job.  I think you'll be pleasantly surprised to see how different your scars look in the future.  

    GML

  • crystalphm
    crystalphm Member Posts: 1,138
    edited June 2014

    Tribe. I like this, you are all in my tribe. Keepitsimple and all, I told my doctor I was not going to reconstruct, final answer, would not change my mind. He did a fantastic job, much like the photo above of GML (gorgeous!!!!!). One the cancer side I am a tad more concave but that had to be done to get clear margins and to get all the breast tissue out. I would take photos you find online here and show the doctor and ask if they can make you look like this...why not?

    I also had glue, not staples and maybe that healed smoother but I am not sure.

    Wishing you the very best!

  • Wren44
    Wren44 Member Posts: 8,585
    edited June 2014

    Ariom, I stopped by to try a coobie bra today. They have the original, one-size with thin straps and a newer version which comes in sizes and is cut a little more like a sports bra. The neck is low enough to not show in a v neck t shirt and the band is a lot wider. They only had my size in black, but are willing to order it for me. I'm going to force myself to make my smaller microbead foob before investing.

  • VintageGal1111
    VintageGal1111 Member Posts: 705
    edited June 2014

    I know many of you have seen these pics but always worth another look:

    http://www.thescarproject.org/gallery/

  • Ariom
    Ariom Member Posts: 6,197
    edited June 2014

    Very powerful, aren't they!

    I came across these before my surgery, when I was trying to find pictures of women who'd had recent Mx, I had my Mother's '94, radical Mx in my mind, but knew there had to be a difference, this far down the track. It wasn't too pretty, back then.

    I feel very strongly about the pics of the women who have stayed flat, although I totally understand why some choose to reconstruct.

  • VintageGal1111
    VintageGal1111 Member Posts: 705
    edited June 2014

    I look at the photos of the implants & they almost make me cringe. Just thinking of what so many women go through, multiple surgeries, infections & risks to get what they think/hope will be their breasts back...and those pics don't show me anything that looks natural. But I am sure they look fine dressed, just as we flat & part flat do.

    These photos are of younger women. I do hope this Scar project will consider photos of us *older* women, with the rolls & pooch.

  • Helenna
    Helenna Member Posts: 86
    edited June 2014

    VintageGal1111…it is kinda sad that perhaps many ladies would go flat or not reconstruct if they had more information on this choice instead of thinking that reconstruction was just the natural next step. I got an appointment letter in the mail from a plastic surgeon, my BS had made the appointment.  I called the PS office and cancelled it, my BS said you should meet him and get all the info, but I had done enough research and knew that further surgeries, pain, risk of infection and unsure outcome to boot were just not for me. Recovering and getting on with life are my priorities! Everyone must decide what is best for them, but maybe more should be done to include not reconstructing as another great option.

  • VintageGal1111
    VintageGal1111 Member Posts: 705
    edited June 2014

    Helenna

     I did see a plastic surgeon. The waiting room was very modern, stark except for lighted up cases of make up & jewelry & very large photos of very young beautiful women. He told me NO WAY would he do expanders & implants on any women who had or was going to have radiation. I was pleasantly surprised because I had heard too many horror stories of drs still doing the expanders when they knew how compromised the skin would be & the infection risk & failure rate so high. But I couldn't wrap my head around the lat dorsi flap procedure he would do. My surgery date was just over a week away & it was too much for me to comprehend. He then, very quickly mumbled that some women who were just finished chemo & had rads upcoming choose to wait on recon. (!!!! wow what a concept) I drove home thinking about that & nothing else, the fact that I didn't have to make the recon decision right then. 

     That night when I told my husband he basically said "I don't want you to go through anymore pain. You've been through enough & still have a long road to travel. Why even ponder the recon, and more surgeries & more pain." I tell ya, I was awake all that night. Next morning I called both surgeons to let them know my no recon decision. What a relief. What a revelation to know I did not want recon all along but was steered that way with *assumptions* from others that of course I would get new bigger better boobs. HAH!

    I am now 3 months post BMX.

  • magdalene51
    magdalene51 Member Posts: 2,214
    edited June 2014

    Wow! I feel like I've come home. I am less than 6 weeks out from BMX and never even considered recon. And my husband said exactly what vintagegirl's did, basically, you've been through enough.

    Besides, what's the point? They could be as nice as a plastic surgeon could make, they will never be real. Why would you put yourself through all that for something that can never fulfill the purpose of the real thing? I don't get that.

    I haven't even looked for prostheses.Don't know if I will. And it's not like I'm happy with the way the scars look; they are frankly hideous. Which I think is appropriate. They mark the last known location of a hideous beast that meant to destroy me. They are lumpy, sore, numb, and I hate to look at them but I make myself, it's good motivation to submit to treatment. Which I know I must do. With chemo, rads, and hormones I still have a chance of recurrence over 40%. (I know, I know, I'm not a statistic.) 

  • keepitsimple
    keepitsimple Member Posts: 6
    edited June 2014

    Ah, GML, you are rockin' it like a true rock star -- my kind of rock star. I am moved, and helped, and consoled by your photo and your response. Thank you so much.

    (i just saw the picture when I checked in after a couple days, and read your message. I haven't read any of the other responses yet, but will.)

    You are kind -- so smart/intuitive, beautiful, and a wondrous help to me. Thank you. Now to read more responses. We leave for Seattle day after tomorrow, and my other journey then begins.

  • VintageGal1111
    VintageGal1111 Member Posts: 705
    edited June 2014

    Magdalene51

     awh we have a couple good men!

  • magdalene51
    magdalene51 Member Posts: 2,214
    edited June 2014

    That we do, honey, that we do.

  • magdalene51
    magdalene51 Member Posts: 2,214
    edited June 2014

    I hope you girls get a laugh out of this, I did. 

    We were watching tv and there's a commercial about yard stuff and the woman says she'll be doing the new hairdo breast stroke in that pool. DH turns to me and says, so, can you still do a breast stroke?

    I said, no, I don't think so.

  • Ariom
    Ariom Member Posts: 6,197
    edited June 2014

    I love that! Magdalene! We joke about this too, just because we can! LOL

    My daughter came to help out when I had my surgery. We were sitting outside and she was playing music  from the 70's on her phone, Hotel California came on and I said "Oh wow, this is the first time I have heard this song with only 1 boob!" my husband jumped in with "Just as well it's in mono!" 

    I sure don't want anyone to be offended, by us being flippant, but my husband is a quadriplegic, from a hang gliding accident and there isn't anyone with a better sense of humor about it than him, so I guess the scene was already set at our house, for lighthearted banter about my surgery too.

  • magdalene51
    magdalene51 Member Posts: 2,214
    edited July 2014

    Ariom, I also find humor to be absolutely essential on this journey.

    3 weeks post bmx DH and I took a little road trip to spend a weekend with some folks I play an online game with. I've known most of them for many years, and though we'd never met, we talk every day and they've been there with me since the dx, praying for me, keeping track of my appointments and asking how I was getting on. The trip had been planned long before dx, and I was pushing it to go, as it's an 8 hour drive. But our hostess invited us to stay in her guest room, provided plenty of pillows to prop myself up with to sleep, and so I would have a place to rest during the day. We had a great time, even DH enjoyed the weekend thoroughly and wants to go back next year. Our hostess has a particular fondness for all things cow, so I probably should have been suspicious when she said she had a gift for me...

    image

    (yes, they're funnels.)

  • Ariom
    Ariom Member Posts: 6,197
    edited July 2014

    That's wonderful! What a lovely friend to look after you so well and to be able to have a sense of humor about it too. You'll never be short of a funnel again either!

  • magdalene51
    magdalene51 Member Posts: 2,214
    edited July 2014

    And there wasn't an axe murderer in the whole bunch! Just normal folks.

  • magdalene51
    magdalene51 Member Posts: 2,214
    edited July 2014

    Sitting here getting chemo; DH is with me since it's the first time. I looked at him and said, "You're bored." He looked at me and said, "You're flat as a board."

    Guess we're even.

  • Ariom
    Ariom Member Posts: 6,197
    edited July 2014

    Ha ha, good for you. I hope it all went well and you're still smiling! M x

  • magdalene51
    magdalene51 Member Posts: 2,214
    edited July 2014

    Still smiling, if wanly.

  • Ariom
    Ariom Member Posts: 6,197
    edited July 2014

    Gentle hugs to you! I hope you feel ok. Take it easy, rest and be kind to yourself! M x

  • VintageGal1111
    VintageGal1111 Member Posts: 705
    edited July 2014

    Magdalene nahahahahah! you guys are funny! 

    Hope your chemo went ok. I was in the chair today, just for my every 3 week Herceptin infusion. I finished 5 months of chemo in Feb, then had BMX, then rads. 

  • ndgirl
    ndgirl Member Posts: 986
    edited July 2014

    Mag! too funny, isnt it great that you can both have a good sense of humor about this damn situation we are in?? Good for you both, always feels good to have a good laugh! Here is hoping your chemo is going well.

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