On a Lighter Note
As you might have seen, Dr. Oz has been grilled by Congress. It is, however, bringing out some interesting info about the supplement business.
Instead of a boring article, here is John Oliver's take on the story.
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Interesting and enjoyable. Thanks for posting it
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Jon Oliver is a funny, plentifully "snarky" and also likable fellow. What a non controversial thread to start here on the holistic forum. I could write a script, though it would not be nearly as hilarious and have far fewer ratings about doctors who claim that some of these chemotherapy and other medicines will help people be healthier, and live longer, when in actuality many of these medicines often cause dire and often fatal complications. Would love to openly scrutinize the FDA in a similar fashion on national television.
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Light, iIt was not meant to be "controversial." I thought it was interesting that congress is looking at the issue of the unregulated supplement business. I also thought the lobbying information was interesting. My cancer amusements have made me much more aware of the pitfalls associated with the supplement industry. I still use supplements, but I try to be careful.
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It is interesting & points of the danger of buying into the idea that you get something for nothing. When I was younger I remember the fen/fen craze....several friends who took it have permanent heart damage, but even then I guess I was smart enough to think, 'DUH.....you can not lose weight without some combination of diet & exercise....there has got to be a catch." And today I know lots of young athletes today who are taking unproven supplements to boast their performance.....with who knows what long term results? And I know quite a few people who are taking this/that/and the other thing on the advice of friends, celebrities (who are generally making money off their endorsements) or something they read online or in an advertisement. So it is a serious issue & to have a medical doctor (whom one might possibly trust as knowing what he is taking about) toting 'miracle' products is especially distasteful to me.
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well it's a little bit "controversial" when fun is poked at alternative medicine on the alternative medicine board.
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I do worry about the unregulated supplement industry because I know many people who are adding so many supplements to their body without knowing what they are even taking...all on testimonials. Just recently, a lady I know has gotten into selling a green powder to add to water and drink it multiple times throughout the day (I can't remember the company, but it seemed like a pyramid scheme to me) to 'boast vitality'. She is a good salesperson and had gotten lots & lots of people to buy into it. When I looked at the ingredients, one of top ones was flax. Now the jury is out as to whether or not flax should be avoided by women with BC....but if it turns out, as some suspect, that flax does feed cancer, then it would be really stupid for me to add a lot of it to my diet. So it worries me that the claims can be made with no backup & people can spend a lot of their money for nothing and, worse yet, potentially do a lot of harm to themselves too (think steroid use by athletes).
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Wrenn, this is the complimentary forum first of all and secondly, Oliver is mainly poking fun at the politicians who deregulated the industry and Dr. Oz who makes too many extravagant claims. SInce most of us here do use supplements of some kind, I thought it was relevant, while also being humorous. Truly there was no intention to offend in any way.
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Ruth, these were my thoughts too.
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Momine,
Thanks for the link, he is funny & clever. Sad how the politicians get rich by many industries, and the public gets the shaft.
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Hole, exactly. I suspect that many food products are probably more tightly regulated, inspected and monitored than the supplements (although I don't know).
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loved the video. Doesn't feel "light" but is interesting and a good way to take on the topic.
But then nothing is "light" when feet are screaming with neuropathy so ignore.
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Wrenn, sorry about your feet, that really bites. I escaped neuropathy, except for some tiny spots. I have constantly achy feet from the femara, though, so I can halfway "feel your pain."
I only meant it was light compared to yet another medical study or compared to congressional transcripts.
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i think i notice things i can "correct" or bitch about since i can't correct my foot pain. It makes me want to hurt something. I should learn that it doesn't make the pain less but it is a bit of a distraction.
Thanks for the link. That was a great distraction.
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momine,
Thank you! Despite stage IV, you know I find humor in almost everything (the secret to my survival?). And am even laughing about the Femara induced neuropathy because I just to Femara from Arimidex which made my feet and ankles not so much fun. I know my humor is not everyone's cup of tea but most of it is directed at myself or public figures
Ruthbru,
I can state with certainty, that a proven health enhancement is gin and tonic!
Caryn
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I should add that this type of irreverence is right up my alley. I laughed so hard, especially at Steve Buscemi tap dancing:)
Mange takk, momine!
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Yes, exbrnxgrl and I can attest to the holistic value of gin & tonic!!!!!!!
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Snakker du norsk, exbrnxgrl?
(Which means, "Do you speak Norwegian?" in case you don't.)
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Jeg kan snakker litt norsk. Kan du?
Har det bra og god kveld,
Caryn
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Jeg plukket opp litt fra min bestefar, som utvandret fra Norge da han var 17 år. (Jeg bruker google translate til å høres så flytende!)
Norwegian Speakers Unite and Conquer!
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Thanks for the laugh, Momine! Unfortunately, that "Dr. Oz effect" that Oliver mentions is real. Time and again, the most outrageous things are perpetrated on us, if not by charismatic pitch alone, then by the wishful thinking of the desperate.
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finally got around to watching this. the puppy at the end of the 18 minutes got a smile & I enjoyed the dancing at the end, the rest? not. I take no pills & havn't for 7 years now. dr oz does not have a good reputation in my book, but neither has the fda, rather worse in fact. we have too many regulations for everything, & we don't need more or the fda at all. conventional medicine is regulated very hard, & look at the deaths & lesser troubles it causes.
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ruthbru,
Mei bestefar komme fra Rumania og snakker yiddish! I have spent a good part of my life learning random things and norsk is one of them. Norsk er kjempebra!
Momine,
I know you wanted to keep this on a lighter note. I'm still laughing!
Caryn
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I wondered how it would come to be that a New York girl would snakke norsk!
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We are going to hijack momine's thread! (Momine snakker dansk.) I became interested in Norwegian after studying Norse mythology. I was at least practical enough not to study old Norse. Through that same path of interest, I am learning nålbinding and lucet (nålbinding is a precursor to knitting, lucet is a way to make braided cord). Both use beautiful bone or wood tools. I still want to learn Latin but regret that there would be no native speakers
Caryn
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& on topic both of norwegian & supplements: norway outlawed all but useless miniscule amounts of vitamins, thus when my dear friend bjorg, housemate at university in berkeley, got sick she was unable to take any supplements that would perhaps have helped her
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Wrenn, I totally understand, or ... det forstår jeg ganske godt.
Brnx, you gotta laugh, at least that is my approach. Monty Python saw me through chemo. About that Yiddish. Years ago, I worked in a Jewish Deli in LA. My boss was lovely, grew up in France, speaking Yiddish. Now, I was the only gentile in the place just about. At the time, we also had a cook from the Ukraine, who spoke Yiddish. So, the cook and the boss would sit in the back and talk shit about the women walking by, in Yiddish. I would walk by and tell them off, and my boss would laugh and laugh over the fact that the only person in the place who had a clue what he was talking about was the shiksa. Yiddish is not so very far from Danish, especially not if you know a bit of German as well.
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Brnx, in Finland there is a fairly lively association of people who speak Latin for fun.
Oh, and I love how Buscemi really gets into it, once the marching band comes on.
As for G&Ts, I discovered a while back that a nice big glass of red wine does way more to ease the foot pain than any kind of pain reliever or other method, so I have decided that red wine is a supplement
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I looked up the Norwegian situation, after reading Abigail's post. I don't think the situation is quite as dire as that, but the Norwegians (and the EU also, from what I know) have more regulation than the US. Then again, "any regulation at all" would qualify as "more regulation than the US," as far as I can understand.
Here is a fairly recent report (2009/2010), in English, about use of and attitudes to food supplements in Norway and Scandinavia: Nordic Supplement Use
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I skimmed that. much information on what the nordic people used in the way of supplements, nothing that I cojld see on how much of any they were allowed to use
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Abigail, I doubt they are getting their supplements on the black market. It also says that Norwegians have greater trust in supplements sold at the pharmacy. That means they are sold. However, to sell supplements in Norway and most other European countries, you have to be able to show their purity and efficacy.
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