It is thyroid cancer

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  • momand2kids
    momand2kids Member Posts: 1,508
    edited June 2014

    just dx--papillary-- doc says very curable-- but I am so pissed off-- not even off my bc meds yet.... just the thought of having to go through the process is exhausting.....

  • Marie715
    Marie715 Member Posts: 46
    edited June 2014

    momand2kids, I'm with you 100%,  My thyroid nodule was identified in Aug. 2013 as part of the bc MRI.  I thought I'd be able to celebrate after the bc radiation treatments but no, have to take care of this.  I had my thyroid out last Tues. and am doing ok.  It turned out to be Stage I, totally encapsulated in the thyroid.  Thank, God.  I wish you the best.  I empathize with you in that we've given it all in our bc treatment and now we have to dig down deeper.   God's Blessings to you.

  • barbe1958
    barbe1958 Member Posts: 19,757
    edited June 2014

    That SUCKS!! I had papillary carcinoma in my breast and then weird nodules in my thyroid so the remainder of my thyroid had to be removed 2 years ago (they say benign). I, too, am doing fine on Synthroid and I had understand that thyroid cancer is one of the few totally curable cancers out there! It will only grow in a thyroid, but now I`m wondering with the papillary name......

    Hugs to you, sweetie!

  • wallycat
    wallycat Member Posts: 3,227
    edited June 2014

    I am so sorry to hear you have to battle the beast again, but most thyroid cancer can be cured ---unlike breast cancer.

    This is very interesting...when I was working for a wellness doctor, there was a huge correlation of thyroid and breast cancers...not sure which causes what, but the findings were striking.

    Best to you.

  • iammommy
    iammommy Member Posts: 213
    edited June 2014

    Darn. I was hoping for the best. I'm so sorry you have to deal with this now. You'll be ok. This will be behind you soon. 

  • momand2kids
    momand2kids Member Posts: 1,508
    edited June 2014

    All

    thanks so much-Marie thanks for sharing your story--I may PM you… 

    I know this is very doable- I just hate the idea of having to see more doctors more appointments, more results, etc. freaks me out…. I cannot research-have to have others do it for me… just so tired already and we have not even begun

    thanks again-I will be back later

  • MMSS
    MMSS Member Posts: 103
    edited June 2014

    I had papillary carcinoma of the thyroid over 30 years ago and I will never forget what the surgeon said when he made rounds the next day. It was " If God were to tell me that I had to have cancer but I could choose what kind it would be it wouldn't take me 30 seconds to say, make mine a papillary of the thyroid please." I had a total thyroidectomy and I -131 and have been on Synthroid ever since. The fact that I can't remember how long ago that it was is a good thing. With the exception of skin cancers that I don't count I was cancer free until 2 years ago when I got ILC and fortunately I am doing well from that also. Compared to BC thyroid is a piece of cake. Just get someone to show you how to brace the back of your neck with your hand when you go to sit up after surgery. It hurts a lot less that way.

  • gemini4
    gemini4 Member Posts: 532
    edited June 2014

    Damn!!!

    I just now saw this thread. I am so sorry you're going through this.  I know you'll have the strength to fight it, but I know you'd rather be expending your energy on other things. 

    I mentioned earlier that I have a friend who went through thyroid cancer treatment -- she's also here in the Boston area, so PM me if you'd like me to ask her if she recommends her team. 

    Wishing you all the best. ((Hugs))

  • vbishop
    vbishop Member Posts: 616
    edited June 2014

    Mom -

    Been there, done that.  If you are going to have cancer, papillary carcinoma is the one to ask for.  It is definitely curable but it is a pain in the behind because your thyroid affects EVERYTHING!!!  Mood, periods, hair, nails, skin, eyes, heart rate, energy level, and the list goes on.  The hardest thing for me, post removal of the thyroid, was regulating the medication.  It took two years!  Now....that was 15 years ago, so I trust that docs have gotten much better at it.  I am officially cured of thyroid cancer....but I still go for ultrasounds every year and have bone density scans because of the synthroid (I can't take generic).

    Bottom line, at the end of the day, this is a bump in the road.  I know you don't want to hear it and I would be a bit unhappy as well...it's like "What's next?".  I get that.  Compared to what you've already been through, this will be a cake walk.  Really!  My surgeon told me a root canal was worse...and he was right. 

    Years ago, they removed the thyroid, no meds for three weeks, then in the hospital for "glow in the dark" treatments (radioactive iodine) for a few days.  You are in the hospital because you are now a biohazard to those around you until the radiation is out of your system.  Once you are out of the hospital, your are prescribed a thyroid hormone.  It can take a while for them to get it right and it is a pain when the meds are off. 

    Don't hesitate to PM me if you have specific questions.  Seriously, I would take papillary thyroid cancer again over bc any day of the week and twice on Sundays.

  • momand2kids
    momand2kids Member Posts: 1,508
    edited June 2014

    V

    sent you a PM

  • julieho
    julieho Member Posts: 222
    edited June 2014

    Hi

    So sorry to hear of your diagnosis. I agree with what everyone else said that this cancer is one of the most treatable of all cancers but as someone who is waiting to have my second FNA in three months because they are closely watching a nodule that is growing relatively fast just two years from my BC diagnosis I am with you.  Any news of cancer is not what I want to hear.

    I do have a question, when they did the first FNA in January the radiologist said I had Hosimotos, very high antibody levels but my TSH and T3 T4 have been normal. They also said that they could not rule out cancer from the biopsy. Which I don't fully understand. Anyway I had a follow up ultrasound and they recommended another FNA.  My question is that mostly this spring I have been incredibly fatigued, depressed and anxious and I was wondering if any of you experienced those thyroid side effects before being diagnosed with cancer?

    I don't have my FNA for two more weeks and even though I know even if it is cancer it is very treatable I am very anxious about it.

    I send love and support your way and hope you have a speedy recovery.  I stayed with my close friend when she had her thyroid out due to cancer several years ago and it wasn't anything like BC bit it is surgery and a recovery period so take care and heal quickly.

    Julieho

  • barbe1958
    barbe1958 Member Posts: 19,757
    edited June 2014

    julieho, you could have a benign cyst/lesion/tumour - call it what you will, that is affecting your thyroid function without it being cancer. As for the surgery, there really isn't much "healing" time. I've had the surgery twice, once for each half and went back to work the second day (giving it time) to make sure I wasn't dopey from anesthetic. I did find that it took years before I got certain ranges of my voice back and I still can't "scream" or yell and it's been a couple of years since the last surgery which finally took out the whole thyroid. Have you had blood work done again yet? Levels can fluctuate.....

  • Blessings2011
    Blessings2011 Member Posts: 4,276
    edited June 2014

    momand2kids - so sorry all this is happening all at once. 

    I haven't been in your shoes, but the year after my BMX and recon, THREE of my church friends were dx'd with thyroid cancer, had thyroidectomies, and are all healed and doing beautifully now. 

    May this be so for you as well, whatever your treatment may be.

  • barbe1958
    barbe1958 Member Posts: 19,757
    edited June 2014

    mom, my surgeon was very careful to make my incision in a position on my neck that will become a natural fold with time. I bought a necklace (short one) that covers it beautifully and I wore it a lot while my incision healed. (While my stitches were still in and the scar was raw I wore a soft scarf so I wouldn't gross out my clients.) The second surgeon went in on the same scar line and the healing was even better! Go figure. Please keep us posted.

  • momand2kids
    momand2kids Member Posts: 1,508
    edited June 2014

    Thank you all for these great stories and tips. Today I meet with a colleague who had the same issue---I am using her surgeon.  I meet with the surgeon next week and am already in love with her office... they needed an additional ultrasound, scheduled it for the hour before my meeting with her--they said I would leave the meeting with a surgery date and an endocrinologist appointment.  Said "we cannot wait to meet you"...hmmmm I don't feel exactly the same, but they are lovely.  

    I know I am fortunate.  The biopsy dr. put in writing exactly what you all have said "One does not want to have a tumor, but if one has to have it, this is what you would want".. he said he did not see anything unusual in the lymph nodes as he was doing the biopsy....Even the lung doctor sent a note that said "we agreed that the odds are very much in your favor that this tiny nodule in your lung has nothing to do with cancer".... so I do feel ok about all of this, I think.

    My bc surgeon sat with me in our first appointment, held my hand and said "this is small, discrete, early, I can get to it easily, no nodes appear to be involved and you are going to be just fine"... This is what I want from this surgeon and I understand from my colleague that is exactly what she is like. I learned during the bc thing that I need a lot of ressurance.  I know there are no guarantees.. but I want to hear from the experts that in their experience, my situation is not special or interesting.......

    Of course I have some post nasal drip/hay fever and have been catastrophizing in my head about that...... 

    Will meet with my colleague and keep you all posted.  Thanks for the good tips. Barbe-- 2 days?  I was planning at least 2 weeks.....

    xoxo

  • gemini4
    gemini4 Member Posts: 532
    edited June 2014

    mom ... I'm not a doctor, but your sinus issues sound completely normal, as the pollen this spring has been explosive!  If you don't use a neti pot, I highly recommend you give it a try. It's not for everyone, but if you can tolerate it, it can be very helpful. I love the idea of rinsing out all the crap that might be aggravating my sinuses!  And maybe take a daily antihistamine like Allegra or Claritin if you aren't already. 

    You sound like you're in the best hands, so hang in there!  :-)

  • momand2kids
    momand2kids Member Posts: 1,508
    edited June 2014

    Barbe

    I actually got a neti pot this winter-- I think you may have even recommended.... stopped using it a while back because things were getting better.... felt stuffy this morning, so used it in the shower-- have moved my office, so was organizing things this morning and bent down and water started running from my nose--- I just about flipped out--omg-I am leaking from my brain!!!!!  it happens once, then twice as I am leaned over picking things up of the floor.... 

    Then I remember the neti pot and that I didn't really "clear" it all in the shower-- almost killed myself laughing...... 

    I feel like I am in good hands....I know I am lucky--I just need to catch up mentally!!!

  • barbe1958
    barbe1958 Member Posts: 19,757
    edited June 2014

    gemini was the member with the nasal tip, I can't take any credit!

    mom, it DOES sound like you are in very good hands!! Good for you for pursuing it all. You must feel very empowered.

  • momand2kids
    momand2kids Member Posts: 1,508
    edited June 2014

    Thanks-- I do feel like I can now hand this off to the professionals.  I did meet with a colleague who had this--it all sounded pretty straightforward but she did mention that they do a pet scan after the iodine treatment.  I am generally not a fan of pet scans--too many false positives, too many things to track down--- so I may have to negotiate on that one (and I did have a little meltdown about it).... but overall, her explanation sounded doable and as you have all noted, much easier than bc.... I am finding the medical process to be easier, just because I know more and I am a much stronger self-advocate as a result of that experience (trying hard to find the silver linings in this... bear with me)... 

    It does appear that I might be able to have the surgery in late July, assuming there is no reason to do it earlier--this will allow me to wrap up some big projects and take a few weeks off in August... which will be nice.... 

    I remember during bc, I was trying to be my own oncologist.  Now, I don't research anything.  One of my friends researched papillary thyroid for me-- plus the treatment, surgery, etc.  I am not interested in doing research, not joining any groups (you are all my "home")... just want to get this done and over with..... which is how I felt during bc, but I still kept over -researching... not this time--- less is more for me now....

    Thanks for all the encouragement-- I do know that I am fortunate that this was found when it was, even though we were not looking for it... so again I have to thank my pcp who is very particular about these things.

    I am anxious, but it is alot less than with bc.... much more manageable--but I am going back to the therapist that I saw during bc-just for a little tune up.

    Thanks again--I am so glad you are all out there--- I very much appreciate it---now let's all enjoy this beautiful day!!!

  • gemini4
    gemini4 Member Posts: 532
    edited June 2014

    yes, I experience the hours-later saline solution drainage as well!  It must mean that the tissue shrinks hours later?  I do find that tilting my head from side to side while upside down  helps coax out extra fluid.  I was freaked out that it was cerebral spinal fluid until my ENT assured me that it was perfectly normal. ;-)

  • momand2kids
    momand2kids Member Posts: 1,508
    edited June 2014

    Gemini

    I was completely freaked out for a moment-- what else could go wrong?  then I just laughed--- Crazy how the mind works-- assuming the worst.  I think I am going to just start assuming the best

    Just finished my missive for the surgeon-- giving her a 1 page assessment of me medically and how I see myself as incredibly healthy and these annoying things just need to go away!!!!   Went outside today--sooooo beautiful.  Hope it is where you are....

  • gemini4
    gemini4 Member Posts: 532
    edited June 2014

    yes, today was gorgeous!  I'm also in Boston. 

    Keep up that great attitude!  It's so positive to regard yourself as incredibly healthy. 

  • momand2kids
    momand2kids Member Posts: 1,508
    edited June 2014

    Gemini

    where are you in MA?

    Still struggling with this-- cannot bring myself to do any research on papillary-- or radioactive iodine. My allergies are in my sinuses, ears and throat- so I of course think this makes things worse and think the  worse.  I want to see the surgeon on Wednesday, but I also want to pull the covers over my head.  I am scared I will hear something I don't want to hear -which I know is unreasonable since the biopsy doc and my own doc have already said what it is and the the prognosis is excellent.  Yet I am still flipped out-- wondering why this happened?  

    So, as always, looking for any reassurance..... 

    thanks

  • julieho
    julieho Member Posts: 222
    edited June 2014

    Momand2kids

    Just wanted to say that I have read a ton on this already and I don't have a firm diagnosis yet.  They are doing my second FNA in two weeks.  

    But I have a close friend who had thyroid cancer 4 years ago and she is fine and recovered nicely from the surgery. And that is also what I have found in my extensive research. 😜

    What I want to acknowledge is your fear and anxiety are at least for me very normal.  Even though this is the "best" cancer one can have with excellent prognosis and treatment it is still hearing you have cancer again.  That is not easy period. 

    Just realize that our fight or flight response kicks in when we hear that word and after all we went through for breast cancer we can't help but have that provoke anxiety.

    My latest tool I am trying to use is not berating myself for those feelings but rather acknowledging them and trying to validate their existence and then reassure myself that these are just thoughts and fears and I will be okay. 

    I think anticipating just about anything is so much worse than the reality.  Once this is behind you and you are healing I think these thoughts will dissipate. 

    Thinking of you.

    Julieho

  • barbe1958
    barbe1958 Member Posts: 19,757
    edited June 2014

    As Julie has said, your feelings are totally normal, mom! If you weren't scared, you'd not fight. You wouldn't pursue surgery or listen to your team. That's not the way we are formatted as females (guys ignore symptoms or don't go to a doctor, hoping it will all go away). We need every single detail and you don't have that right now so you are kind of in limbo. Once you get your plan solidly in place you will probably feel more in control. But I would have been surprised if you weren't scared. Hugs to you, sweetie! You are totally normal...in fact, I assumed you were scared!!

  • momand2kids
    momand2kids Member Posts: 1,508
    edited June 2014

    thanks Barbe and Julie

    I am scared but I have to look at the facts and Julie, I have done no research on this. Just can't do it 

    My pcp told me it is curable. The biopsy doc told me the prognosis is excellent. Colleagues who have had this recently and years ago tell me they are cured and it is true. People here tell me the same. 

    Yet when I cough I think "it's in my throat" even though I know that thyroid doesn't travel. So you can see my crazy. 

    I am living my life. Hosted a huge summer party at our hose in Friday. Went running and seeming yesterday. Will do same today. 

    Will go to work tomorrow. Am going to see counselor on Tuesday who walked through bc with me. 

    See surgeon on Wednesday. Have decided to take the first available surgical date instead of waiting for my July projects to be complete.  I don't have the psychic energy to wait. Thought I did , but I don't. 

    Thank you for your reassurance. Julie, any good news that you gleaned from your research would be great to know.  I  all about the upside

    Thanks again. You have helped me today more than you know

    Xo

  • barbe1958
    barbe1958 Member Posts: 19,757
    edited June 2014

    mom, sounds like you're doing okay to the "outside" world, but we get it. We know the angst you are going in on the inside. I'm SO glad you are going to accept an earlier surgery date....good for you!!

  • momand2kids
    momand2kids Member Posts: 1,508
    edited June 2014

    Thanks Barbe.

    I just decided that this is the most important thing.  I had to remind myself that it is papillary-- not connected at all to bc and that calmed me down a little.  I am trying with the outside world, but did have to leave this party early last night-- walked home and cried the whole way--just a little breakdown that was clearly necessary.  I just pulled out my journal from the bc period--God that was awful-but it reminds me that I do have what it takes--I can do this, no matter how afraid  I am..... and this fear is different--because this is a different kind of cancer... thankfully a curable one-- although I always thought my bc was curable as well.  So far, that has been the case.  

    So, like Julie, I am just honoring my feelings-- reading the journal made me remember how I swung from hope to despair all in the same hour.... this is slightly less dramatic, but still unnerving.  

    I am going to go swimming now and not think about it for a while.

    thanks again for the reassurance--that is the one thing I learned that I needed during the bc period--lots and lots of reassurance from everyone every where --it is one of my coping skills.

    xo

  • julieho
    julieho Member Posts: 222
    edited June 2014

    Hi Momand2kids,

    Sorry this took so long.  So my research has shown that papillary thyroid cancer is the most common thyroid cancer there is and that the survival rate post surgery and treatment (radiactive iodine) is really good - like 97 - 98%.

    Of course like all cancers they have to stage it after surgery, which means making sure that it has not spread to lymph nodes or other areas.  But, even if it has the survival rate is still quite good for Stage 2 and 3.  Stage 4 is not as good but it is unlikely you have that.  And, there are people who even with Stage 4 do very well with treatment and it is considered cured.

    The surgery itself sounds like it is not too tough.  My friend had it and she said she was tired and had a sore throat for about a week but really wasn't bad.

    What is also good news is that it appears if we are diagnosed with papillary thyroid cancer (I am of course still waiting for my second FNA to determine if they think I have that) - then this does not mean we are now Stage IV breast cancer patients.  This is considered a new cancer and not a reoccurrence.  Which is also good news.

    Not sure if this helps but all in all I think you will do okay with the surgery, you will have the treatment and then be put on thyroid meds, which have to be followed closely especially the first year to make sure they have you on the proper dose.

    Stay in touch and I will do the same.  My FNA is July 7th.  My nodule has made swallowing pills a bit more difficult lately and I seem to get a hoarse and sore throat on occasion, but not all the time.  I don't know if all this is related to the nodule but hopefully my second FNA in four months time will answer some of those questions.

    Take care,

    Julieho

  • momand2kids
    momand2kids Member Posts: 1,508
    edited June 2014

    Thanks Julie--sent you a PM-- my surgery is on 7/10.  I feel like things are going well-- as well as they can with a second cancer, which I am still pretty pissed about.  Two different primaries-- there better not be a third...... i am so tense from all of this-- even thought the surgical visit went really well, I am anxious about the surgery, the treatment and the meds--even though I know they pale in comparison to bc..... 

    pm me back if you have any questions

    best

    C

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